"Progress"

3 years ago by tictac2 to c/mildlyinteresting

Sanctus 521 points 3 years ago

Yep, thats what this is

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MorphiusFaydal 376 points 3 years ago

Yeah, I dunno why OP put quotes on it.

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tomatobeard 194 points 3 years ago

My guess is OP is being sarcastic because progress to many people means more highways & cars. More construction and development.

I wish we had more of this kind of progress near me (Colorado USA).

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SSX 38 points 3 years ago

Been in Colorado for the past week or so. You guys are a lot further ahead than Illinois is. Lots more bike paths and lanes, better traffic control that doesn't result in stop and go movement, overall a lot more green space in your shopping centers and in human spaces, also lots more walking areas.

Don't beat up your state too much, it's fantastic compared to mine. :'c

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jbend 7 points 3 years ago

I'm from So. IL originally and been to CO 4 times. Colorado is so much better in my opinion. People biking and jogging everywhere, everyone I met was really nice, like went out of their way to help my friends and I nice. Obviously that's not everyone there, but it was the experience I had. Overall, it's probably my favorite of the states I've been to and hope to go back, maybe permanently, someday.

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yA3xAKQMbq 17 points 3 years ago

Well, it certainly beats how it was before, but there isn’t less traffic now – they just put it in a tunnel.

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ForgetReddit 12 points 3 years ago

Germany’s public transit is fantastic too tho

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Shialac 11 points 3 years ago

The road and cars still exist, they just put it underground

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VitaminDrink 5 points 3 years ago

This is exactly what happened. They just needed the roads AND the view. The amount of cars is still the same, if not more.

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Resistentialism 4 points 3 years ago

So, as a not very smart man. Wouldn't underground roads be better? I feel with it being underground it'd be easier to manage pollution and install some things to fight it.

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Lev_Astov 6 points 3 years ago

I feel it's more likely they don't understand proper usage of quotation marks like that. They probably think they give emphasis; I see it all the time.

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Resonosity 4 points 3 years ago

It's so backwards. Making this stretch of coastline walkable means more people show up, and if businesses realize this potential then they can capitalize. Makes sooo much sense

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DanteFlame 1 point 3 years ago

Fun fact this is actually the Rhine river that runs sort of ⅔ of the way through Düsseldorf, similar to the Thames in London or the Seine in Paris.

The other bank is much more residential and a little high end so it’s not really a gathering place for the population, whereas the bank shown in the picture is 2 blocks from a tram line that runs parallel to the river and runs into the heart of the CBD making it an extremely approachable body of water and pedestrian strip.

On the weekends, the city holds public events to draw people to gather on this bank like food fares, carnivals, concerts. It’s always packed on the weekends and generates a shit ton of foot traffic for all the pubs and restaurants in adjacent streets.

I had no idea all this was covered in highways just a few decades ago, making the city more walkable was an amazing choice. If you’ve never been to Düsseldorf before or don’t know anything about it, it is definitely one of the highlights of Germany once you’ve had your fill of all the war sites. Extremely liveable city without feeling overcrowded, and just a stones throw from the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, and France.

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Poppa_Mo 4 points 3 years ago

Colorado used to be a lot more beautiful.

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Suck_on_my_Presence 3 points 3 years ago

I wish Colorado would seriously put forth a passenger train between Pueblo to Denver or even Fort Collins.

Utah has one from Provo to Ogden and it's amazing. Beats driving in the psycho traffic.

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Phlogiston 4 points 3 years ago path: 0 1782777 1783147 1783674 1789620 1795348, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 1
JulesTheModest 24 points 3 years ago

Yep, lame.

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snarf 13 points 3 years ago

Obviously just being grammatically correct by putting the title in quotes!

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Sentinian 11 points 3 years ago path: 0 1782777 1783147 1783555, hotness: undefined, score: 11, children: 0
nexguy 6 points 3 years ago

He was just making a point"."

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Hanabie 4 points 3 years ago

Wondered the same.

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starlinguk 3 points 3 years ago

He's thr CDU in Berlin. They want to reverse those two pictures.

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tricoro -3 points 3 years ago

Sarcasm.

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SinningStromgald 13 points 3 years ago

It's a dream come true far as I'm concerned.

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SkaveRat 3 points 3 years ago

I haven't found anyone adding the detail that the photo is a bit deceptive.

The road is still there, it was just moved underground. It surfaces at the bridge in the background.

It's definitely better, but the car traffic is still there, just hidden.

Source: I live a couple minutes from where the photo was taken

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t0fr 453 points 3 years ago

Are you suggesting this is not progress? Because this is honestly amazing.

What's the point of water if you can't chill by the water

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ForgetReddit 67 points 3 years ago

All my homies like chilling by the water

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Nacktmull 30 points 3 years ago
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Scavenger_Solardaddy 3 points 3 years ago

Hell yeah my homies are here! 💦 💦 💦

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ultimate_question 38 points 3 years ago

This title is under a few layers of irony, there are similar pictures floating around of green spaces converted to highways in the US with the same title, OP is suggesting the European version actually is progress

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bouncing 8 points 3 years ago

It's a worldwide phenomena. The "Big Dig" is a great example of urban space reclaimed from above-grade highways.

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Katana314 7 points 3 years ago

I remember as a kid hearing this vague ideological warfare around it. The Boston Science Museum had a big exhibit on it, as a kid I learned nothing about it. Then it was lamented for being wasteful spending - and only now do I hear about how it was meant to give us back urban areas.

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jasondj 6 points 3 years ago

Sure did. I’ve lived in RI my whole life save for when I lived just barely into MA about 5 years ago.

Pardon the Reddit link, but as soon as I saw a before and after a few months ago, I was awestruck.

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bouncing 1 point 3 years ago

That's surprising to me. I remember at the time, NBC Nightly News and PBS Newshour (my family's news diet in the 90s) did stories about it, and they both definitely mentioned reclaiming city space as one of the benefits.

I think the Big Dig, while it ended up costing several times what it was supposed to, will go down in history as one of the best highway projects of its era. It also proved infrastructure naysayers wrong. A lot of people insist that any highway projects always just induce demand, resulting in even more congestion, but the Big Dig did nothing of the sort. To this day, 30 years on, Boston traffic is still not as bad as it was pre-Big Dig.

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vaultdweler13 7 points 3 years ago

I think there should be some shading structures around the walkway.

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Buddahriffic 14 points 3 years ago

Maybe some self-building ones that also act as a carbon sink.

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vaultdweler13 4 points 3 years ago

Har har, what I meant was having a shaded overhead thing every couple of yards right along the actual walkway next to the water.

Assuming its mostly concrete having shading could help break up heat absorption and help reduce heat radiation.

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EvilHankVenture 8 points 3 years ago

Maybe some self-building ones that also act as a carbon sink.

Pretty sure they are referring to trees here.

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Marlem 6 points 3 years ago

The main walkways and the bike lane are actually located in the shade provided by the line of trees.

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Methylman 3 points 3 years ago

You know people drink water too right? It's not just a backdrop for your selfies lol

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Uli 16 points 3 years ago

Not me, I'm a purist. I drink only hydrogen and oxygen.

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nomadjoanne 252 points 3 years ago

Why the quotes? It looks much better.

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SmoothSurfer 127 points 3 years ago

I highly doubt OP knows what quotes mean here

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propaganja 53 points 3 years ago

"Sarcasm"

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Saneless 14 points 3 years ago

"your opinion"

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TrickDacy -1 points 3 years ago

"is shit"

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Discoslugs 13 points 3 years ago

Bro where did u get that username

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propaganja 1 point 3 years ago

I uh... typed it in and it was available?

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Nacktmull 165 points 3 years ago
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Schmuppes 50 points 3 years ago

The cars are still there, in massive numbers. You just can't see the tunnel they built between those two pictures. It's right beneath the feet of the pedestrians.

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Nacktmull 85 points 3 years ago
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over_clox 13 points 3 years ago

'emissions somewhat contained'..?

Sure that ain't 'carbon monoxide tunnel?'

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Diprount_Tomato 3 points 3 years ago

Maybe it has chimneys like the London underground used to when it was steam powered

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jarfil 10 points 3 years ago path: 0 1791382 1791969 1792315 1801010, hotness: undefined, score: 10, children: 2
SkaveRat 3 points 3 years ago

do we have /c/dragonsfuckingcars and /c/carsfuckingdragons yet?

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marmo7ade -4 points 3 years ago
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Nacktmull 2 points 3 years ago
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JenIsBringingTheDrugs 25 points 3 years ago

That still seems better though. Less noise, safer and more usable space.

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AlecSadler 5 points 3 years ago

If you're there, can you hear them if you put your ear to the ground?

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shotgunpulse 2 points 3 years ago

Lol does it matter or are you just curious?

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AlecSadler 1 point 3 years ago

Just curious, haha.

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Schmuppes 1 point 3 years ago

I'll check for you next time I pass through there on my bicycle.

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marmo7ade -3 points 3 years ago
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igorlogius 153 points 3 years ago
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xintrik 7 points 3 years ago

Maybe it's an art installation titled "Progress"

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electrogamerman 3 points 3 years ago

Maybe he meant the upper picture is "progress"

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thorbot -2 points 3 years ago

Rage bait

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platysalty 138 points 3 years ago

This is actual progress. I'd love for places to have more green

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jungekatz 26 points 3 years ago

I agree ! We unfortunately are cutting trees in favor or roads in india !

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kicksystem 6 points 3 years ago

You don't need more roads, you need better quality ones :)

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Naksh552007 1 point 3 years ago
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thisNotMyName 15 points 3 years ago

Yeah, it will probably work out if all 1.4 billion people all drive alone in a car, occupying at least 15m² each. Needs one more lane, but then traffic will be solved!

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RobertOwnageJunior 8 points 3 years ago

I don't care what you think, but cutting more trees in favor of streets is just never a good idea in this day and age.

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Diprount_Tomato 1 point 3 years ago

Why more roads?

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Neikon 102 points 3 years ago

More trees, more happiness

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smellythief 25 points 3 years ago

Less cars, more trees, more happiness.

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ssboomman 95 points 3 years ago

No quotes needed this is literally progress

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Silviecat44 95 points 3 years ago

Why did you put the title in quotes

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InternetTubes 38 points 3 years ago
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kroy -9 points 3 years ago

who hurt you?

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marmo7ade -50 points 3 years ago
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Tomad 35 points 3 years ago

you think it's vain to want visible nature?

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TheGreatHerald -46 points 3 years ago
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InternetTubes 6 points 3 years ago
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TrickDacy 3 points 3 years ago

Yawn. We get that you love fascism

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MaxVoltage 12 points 3 years ago

because the cars are still there just OutofSight

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Caminsky 9 points 3 years ago

c/unnecessaryquotes

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Yondu_the_Ravager 89 points 3 years ago

Ah yeah they should’ve just done the American thing instead and bulldozed the whole strip of town to put in a 20 lane wide interstate with a Bucees and Walmart/s

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Sinnz 16 points 3 years ago

Should have bulldozed the whole Rhine

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yA3xAKQMbq 3 points 3 years ago

They basically did that.

What people call „Rhine“ is a heavily straightened and channelized artificial water road.

Especially in the 19th century they cut off many loops and bends to make it more accessible for ships, to make the land useable and to get rid of flooding (narrator: „it didn’t work“):

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinbegradigung

(don’t have an english article, just look at the pictures)

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Schmuppes 2 points 3 years ago

The road is still in the same place, but it's a tunnel nowadays.

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instamat 2 points 3 years ago

Stop it! I can only get so hard

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Otakat 1 point 3 years ago path: 0 1783802 1800796, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
Polydextrous -58 points 3 years ago

I think this is my first time seeing the “/s” on lemmy. And I really hope it doesn’t follow users here. We fully understood the sarcasm without it. It was honestly so much more a statement with ironic wording than it was even sarcasm.

I feel like we’re better than this. We can’t complain about Hollywood and advertising dumbing everything down to the level they think we need and then turn around and spoon feed each other the most basic forms of speech.

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Gerryflap 56 points 3 years ago

You might be able to easily spot sarcasm, but not everyone is blessed with that ability. Many autistic people, for instance, struggle to detect sarcasm. And comments being text only makes it harder. "/s" is an accessibility tool and implying that using these tools is "dumbing down" communication is honestly a very shitty move.

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Tetra 35 points 3 years ago

Beyond autism, that /s has become all the more necessary these days in the wake of this huge wave of anti-intellectualism. Outside of private circles, it's so hard now to tell the difference between absurd sarcasm and the genuinely ignorant takes some people proudly share, there's too much of an overlap between the two lol

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Yondu_the_Ravager 20 points 3 years ago

Autistic person here, yeah I can’t read tone for shit through text sometimes, and especially online you never can tell if and when someone’s being serious.

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hamFoilHat 11 points 3 years ago

Don't worry, he didn't mean it, he was obviously being sarcastic because no reasonable person actually dislikes the /s.

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WhiteHawk 1 point 3 years ago

Yeah, right. /s

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Polydextrous 2 points 3 years ago

I’d argue that jokes not being written for everyone to understand/enjoy isn’t a matter of being wrong. It’s part of the entire subjectivity of comedy.

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minikieff 2 points 3 years ago

Idk. That was very obviously sarcastic. I wouldn't care about the opinions of those who took it seriously.

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Misconduct 0 points 3 years ago
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Polydextrous 1 point 3 years ago
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Polydextrous 1 point 3 years ago
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Polydextrous 1 point 3 years ago
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Polydextrous 1 point 3 years ago
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Polydextrous 1 point 3 years ago
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Polydextrous 1 point 3 years ago
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anthemwalrus 26 points 3 years ago

It's sometimes impossible to detect sarcasm from just text, that's why Poe's law exists. You may be good at understanding sarcasm and satire, but some people aren't and putting /s is making sure that everyone understands instead of just you.

I feel you on the dumbing down part though, but I think sarcastic comments are not a form of media that must be left only to be enjoyed by the people who are "better than this".

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Misconduct 2 points 3 years ago

I mean... They don't have to be left to anyone. Is it really that hard to ask for or wait for more context before popping off? If I misunderstand sarcasm I just say oh oops I misunderstood my bad and move on with my day. It's such a non-issue.

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MBM 1 point 3 years ago

I think it'd be cool if Lemmy had an option to select tone the same way you can select language, and an option to hide tone by default

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Harbingerof 7 points 3 years ago

You forgot the /s

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HubertManne -3 points 3 years ago

I agree with you but its sorta funny given peoples reaction to the quotes which im like pretty sure was not intended to invert the words meaning.

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Jackolantern 85 points 3 years ago

Why is there open and close quotations? Isn’t this progress?

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jerkface 25 points 3 years ago

Because when the word "progress" is used, it is usually a loaded term with some specific connotations. The quotes indicate this is a reference to the word "progress", not a use of the word "progress", and it's intended to draw your attention to the fact that this change, while clearly a positive and desirable one, contrasts strongly with what is usually meant when a person says it.

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flyte 16 points 3 years ago

Nice explanation, jerkface

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marmo7ade -12 points 3 years ago
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Ryctre 13 points 3 years ago

...what?

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Diprount_Tomato 4 points 3 years ago

What's with that?

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tenitchyfingers 70 points 3 years ago

Yes. It’s progress indeed.

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ghariksforge 66 points 3 years ago

The new look is sexier.

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souperk 10 points 3 years ago

I mean look at the curves of that beach!!

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Armetron 58 points 3 years ago

I started writing a comment of confusion because I thought I was on the mildly infuriating community not the mildly interesting community.

Overall yes this is wonderful progress that more cities need to adopt

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Onionizer -13 points 3 years ago

Most cities just can't really afford it

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Swedneck 27 points 3 years ago

yeah, car infrastructure is expensive and they should just get rid of it entirely.

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gusVLZ 23 points 3 years ago

Fuck cars

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WhiteHawk 4 points 3 years ago

Well, if you insist...

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Onionizer -3 points 3 years ago

By replacing it with more expensive car infrastructure? That's what happened in this picture

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Nalivai 9 points 3 years ago

No, by replacing it with public transportation and human-scaled spaces. Well, leaving one small part of it for service vehicles and people who absolutely need to go buy car if there is no better option.

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RGB3x3 21 points 3 years ago

They actually can't afford not to. Walkable cities improve the economies of cities because people are actually able to get to stores on roads that would otherwise be swamped with cars. It improves health and safety as well.

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__mk__ 55 points 3 years ago

Why scare quotes? I lived in Düsseldorf back in '90 (go alts - that was the name of my school team, and yes it was sponsored by Alt bier 🍺... different times), it's always been one of Germany's more clean cut, upmarket cities, but this picture makes me want to go back and check it out again.

Then again, I'm a queer transfem and I'm in BERLIN, THE QUEER CAPITAL OF THE WORLD. Düsseldorf is in the last instance just meh.

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reev 13 points 3 years ago

Cologne is pretty gay and not far away. Come by during CSD!

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BatrickPateman 6 points 3 years ago
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__mk__ 1 point 3 years ago

Sweetie did you read the part about being transfem? I dodrink coke, not beer ;)

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Nerorero 2 points 3 years ago

Why not visit Hamburg? It's like a cool version of Berlin

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Phoebe 1 point 3 years ago

I grew up next to Düsseldorf. I freaking love this city. Wouldn't it be so expensiv i would live there.

Because it is a magnet for anime fans, i early came in contact with queerness and different worldviews. Düsseldorf still has a big connection to art and due to figures like Joseph Beuys the art community is still pretty progressive. I went to university there and the campus had a progressiv Atmosphere there as well.

But on the other side the city is full of rich and conservativ people. A weird contrast. I would say Düsseldorf is educated while cologne is more open and welcoming.

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Jeanschyso 54 points 3 years ago

Yes progress! Using the quotes there make it seem like you disagree that this is progress, which I will choose to believe you didn't mean it like that.

I have seen a few pictures like this from around the world. It's pretty encouraging

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kimpilled 50 points 3 years ago

Yes. Yes it is.

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MargotRobbie 49 points 3 years ago

Look at all the people enjoying the waterfront now. It's a beautiful sight to see.

That place found its humanity again.

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elxeno 39 points 3 years ago

Nature is healing

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hiramfromthechi 38 points 3 years ago

Not sure why the quotes exist, but this is beautiful to see.

Better late than never, and I hope we can take these examples to other car-centric places to fix.

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mhz 30 points 3 years ago

Damn, I jealous. I hope my country start investing in non-xar centric progress soon.

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IzzyJ 1 point 3 years ago

For real. This gives me hope for American cities

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jungekatz 1 point 3 years ago

Most americans are of the mindset that cars make us free and anything public transport bad ! I doubt if that will improve anytime soon !

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ArchmageAzor 28 points 3 years ago

Every urban environment can be improved with the construction of a vague and ominous obelisk

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smellythief 7 points 3 years ago

I see a cylinder bit an obelisk.

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PunnyName 28 points 3 years ago

How can I get this for Los Angeles?

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iampivot 5 points 3 years ago

We need this here in Brisbane as well.

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original2 1 point 3 years ago

Ive lost hope for London

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smellythief 3 points 3 years ago

Public transit and shared autonomous car usage.

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original2 1 point 3 years ago

Public transit and shared autonomous car usage.

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smellythief 1 point 3 years ago

Autonomous cats are now common in a couple of cities. No reason to think it won't expand to more. Why not LA?

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Kodemystic 1 point 3 years ago

Dreaming

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Diprount_Tomato -1 points 3 years ago

You can't

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ninja 27 points 3 years ago

ITT: why the quotation marks?

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UnderpantsWeevil 8 points 3 years ago

No stroad

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Send_me_nude_girls 27 points 3 years ago

Wasn't it just moved underground?

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SpaceCadet 22 points 3 years ago
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HubertManne 12 points 3 years ago

great. put them all underground.

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zephr_c 1 point 3 years ago

Then seal the ends.

I mean, leave ladders to escape. I don't want to murder people. I'd just like to bury all the cars is all.

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capr -3 points 3 years ago

And in effect still murder people by lowering their standard of living.

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DrinkBoba 26 points 3 years ago
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MaxVoltage -6 points 3 years ago

are yall ever warry of france?

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DrinkBoba 1 point 3 years ago
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Diprount_Tomato -2 points 3 years ago

Bro how can you be so cucked? I'm also from an EU country but I refuse to suck France's cock

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GentooPhysicist 1 point 3 years ago

Are you French perchance? Because complaining about the French is just about the most French thing I can imagine.

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pinkdrunkenelephants 25 points 3 years ago

It looks startlingly nice to me. I see no problem

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CeruleanRuin 24 points 3 years ago

As an American I'm just assuming that road was moved to be widened and a bunch of low income housing and many blocks worth of historic buildings were demolished in the process.

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rockSlayer 27 points 3 years ago

Don't worry, the historic buildings were destroyed years ago to meet minimum parking requirements

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ikka 4 points 3 years ago

They did that in my hometown... :^)

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CeruleanRuin 1 point 3 years ago

Good old "urban renewal".

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MostlyBirds 11 points 3 years ago

Low income housing is a far better use of space than preserving "historic" buildings that are actually just out of code, poorly designed, and slowly decaying old houses that never actually had any historical significance.

The needs of people who are alive and struggling today are infinitely more important than your nostalgia for the homes of dead rich cunts.

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TrickDacy 1 point 3 years ago

Way to miss the point and go out of your way to be mean to someone who probably strongly agrees with you

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CeruleanRuin 1 point 3 years ago

You totally misread what I wrote, but thanks for the pointless rant. For a minute there it felt just like being back on reddit.

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ParsnipWitch 3 points 3 years ago

No, the street is now underground.

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Micha 23 points 3 years ago

My hometown. Looks better than the old photos ;) Come visit us!

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evatronic 22 points 3 years ago

Portland, Oregon did it first. And they just got rid of the freeway instead of burying it.

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altima_neo 19 points 3 years ago

The before reminds me of Portland. The waterfront is wasted with i5 and roads running through it.

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ZombieTheZombieCat 4 points 3 years ago

That's how I feel about SoCal. I noticed on Google Maps a lot of homes are taking up the sea cliffs south of LA. I always thought that all coastline in CA was public...

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JizzmasterD 19 points 3 years ago

I totally puked a litre of concentrated grape juice in that hot park in 1999.

Guess whose German wasn’t nearly as awesome as they thought it was…

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IYeetKids 15 points 3 years ago

Always love more greenery .

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Smacks 14 points 3 years ago

Where are the roads? There could easily be a 15 lane highway right there!

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SpaceNoodle 12 points 3 years ago

Seattle did the same thing. So much better.

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DennisKuester 11 points 3 years ago

Scheinbar passiert doch etwas in unseren Städten. 😊

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flames5123 8 points 3 years ago

I can’t wait to see Seattle’s viaduct on here when the full parks, sidewalks, and bike lanes get finished!

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guybrush 8 points 3 years ago

I think we need a middle-vote button.

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magnetosphere 8 points 3 years ago

Reminds me of an old science fiction novel I read years ago. Teleportation had became common, so people no longer needed cars. The entire system of interstate highways was converted to long, narrow parks.

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Nalivai 7 points 3 years ago

It's so weird to me that for some people the only way to escape the car dependency is to invent fucking teleportation.

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SomeSphinx 2 points 3 years ago

What's the name of the novel? I kinda want to read that now because that sounds interesting.

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magnetosphere 4 points 3 years ago

You’ll be disappointed. It’s a very minor part of the plot, and the construction of the parks is only mentioned in passing. The novel was Ringworld by Larry Niven (written in 1970. Sexism ahoy!)

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Throwaway4669332255 8 points 3 years ago

This is encouraging!

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Resonosity 8 points 3 years ago

Hope Alexandria in Egypt can come to this realization some day

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Nacktmull 4 points 3 years ago
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athlon 7 points 3 years ago

I like 2019 more.

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Master 6 points 3 years ago

Why do we keep getting rid of gray space...

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MajinBlayze 6 points 3 years ago

Looks amazing to me

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eating3645 6 points 3 years ago

At first I read the comments and was appalled, then I realized I automatically assumed the shittier picture was the new one. I'm assuming it's because I've never seen it go this direction before.

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MonkderZweite 5 points 3 years ago

Put some of the trees on the right to the left.

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Kaleunt17 4 points 3 years ago

2019er Bild sieht irgendwie nach Photoshop aus.

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Skellexon 4 points 3 years ago

Etwas. Is aber echt. Ist ganz hübsch dort

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Lobohobo 3 points 3 years ago

Die Farben sehen wegen der Abendsonne und der benutzten Kamera echt ein bisschen so aus, aber die Rheinpromenade ist echt sehr schön.

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sabaku_no_gaara 3 points 3 years ago

This guy said something photoshop related in German and I hope it is not a photoshop

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Cozy 3 points 3 years ago

He said it looks like it's photoshop and not real, but it is real, it's just the weird lighting that makes it look like it. (Hope you wanted a real answer and your comment wasn't just joking, couldn't tell)

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HollandJim 4 points 3 years ago

It’s lovely there. Been to many a festival along the river

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kluevo 3 points 3 years ago

Am I crazy or was there a recent post that was basically these two images (different angle, I think) with the dates flipped?

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MeowdyPardner 8 points 3 years ago path: 0 1784166 1785624, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 2
stephen01king 2 points 3 years ago

Ew, that looks horrible.

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kluevo 1 point 3 years ago

Oh so that's what it was! Thanks for this, I'm glad(well, technically not really lol) to see the actual thing I was thinking of.

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eochaid 3 points 3 years ago

Wow that's amazing. Green spaces are so important to our mental health and happiness. Really great to see this.

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Hangglide 3 points 3 years ago

Lima absolutely needs to do this.

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Blastasaurus 2 points 3 years ago

The Gardiner in Toronto desperately needs to be pulled down (before people die) and replaced with tunnels.

The viaduct in Vancouver is being torn down but I don't think they plan to build a tunnel. It's the fastest way into downtown from East Van.

The difference between these inevitable projects and Dusseldorf is that property value in Canadian cities is so insane that developers will likely push for the construction of biggest types yet in these cities.

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makingStuffForFun 2 points 3 years ago

I'd say riverfront land in Düsseldorf has developers drooling also. It all comes down to will, and / or corruption

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charlieb 1 point 3 years ago

Wish we could do this in my town, miles of undeveloped lakefront access blocked by an 8 lane highway.. it sucks.

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Armetron 1 point 3 years ago
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Dark_Blade 1 point 3 years ago

Am I missing something?

Yes, the fact that you’re in mildlyinteresting

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SubArcticTundra 1 point 3 years ago

I wonder why there is a second completely unused road on the right of the 1990 picture

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SamsonSeinfelder 6 points 3 years ago

Here is another picture. you can see the church in the background. The right side is the road to the houses, and on the left is the speed-way with 2x2 lanes. It was (still) crazy back then.

EDIT: I was corrected. Its not. It is the substitute road.

Here is a recent picture looking from the other direction. Again the church now on the left. It was a crazy project but it was well received by the Altstadt/Oldtown.

In the German Wikipedia you can find another nice picture of the Rhine-Bank (Rhein-Ufer). It shows the Steps to the Rhine in 1900 - before the asphalt rolled over all that land. Notice the church and Tower in the back. And today.

the substitute road

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SpaceCadet 3 points 3 years ago
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SamsonSeinfelder 2 points 3 years ago

That is a good find. Those Picture are great!

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SubArcticTundra 1 point 3 years ago

Oh I see. Judging by the 'step' above the road on the first picture it looks like there might have been a dock there before the road was built?

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mrhenry77 1 point 3 years ago

Düsseldorf is beautiful to visit for a weekend (now).

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NOFHC 0 points 3 years ago

Progress and gentrification.

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Zyansheep 2 points 3 years ago

Its not gentrification if we build enough of it!

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buzz -5 points 3 years ago
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Hazdaz -16 points 3 years ago

Are we going to magically assume the traffic just vanished?

People and goods still need to be moved from one part of the city to another, as well as from other parts of the country and even internationally. Way too many of these "fuck cars" people naively think you can just wave a magic wand and make the transport of goods and people just disappear. Something would need to be done to solve that. Was an underground highway built? Alien teleportation? A fleet of magic carpets were made available that run on unicorn farts that allow people to get around?

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zaphod 9 points 3 years ago

Eh, you don't need a highway through the heart of the city for that.

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Rom 6 points 3 years ago
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rbhfd 5 points 3 years ago

A lot of cities in Europe are actively discouraging people from taking the car to get to the city center. Either by requiring a permit to enter, making it very convoluted to get to your destination by implementing one-way streets and having a few big roads made to take on traffic, outright banning older cars with bad emission, or a combination of the above.

This is typically balanced with park & rides outside the city center, from where you can easily take public transport into the city.

Suppliers are still allowed in and are able to do so because less cars are driving there.

The city I live in has recently implemented such measures. Lots of people were complaining beforehand. But after a few years, there's not less people making it inside the city, no massive congestion, better air quality,...

Edit: not saying this is necessarily the case here. From other comments, it does seem they moved traffic underground. But my reply is still valid to your comment.

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Red_Apprentice 4 points 3 years ago

You can see in the top picture(1990) that there are very few cargo trucks. It looks like mostly consumer traffic. The most likely altenative is the https://en.wikipedia.org/... massive public transport system they've built since 1988.

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bouncing 3 points 3 years ago

Are we going to magically assume the traffic just vanished?

It's an underground highway. Out of sight, out of mind. I imagine they probably also improved the overall road design, like Seattle, Denver, and Boston have done (or are doing) with their projects to bury highways below-grade.

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mediumicedcoffee 2 points 3 years ago
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TrickDacy 1 point 3 years ago

You should start !suckcardickstheytastegreat or something

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lvl13charlatan 1 point 3 years ago

They built a tunnel for the traffic which is a pretty typical strategy for these kinds of projects.

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Hazdaz 1 point 3 years ago

Which is basically what I said at the bottom of my post. But first off tunnels don't work everywhere, are incredibly costly, and local roads would still be needed to let buildings downtown have access.

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smellythief -1 points 3 years ago

Or maybe the number bus and tram lines increased, and the train systems expanded. "One person, one car" is a mentality we should all be saying "fuck that" to.

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