Yeah, I dunno why OP put quotes on it.
Yeah, I dunno why OP put quotes on it.
My guess is OP is being sarcastic because progress to many people means more highways & cars. More construction and development.
I wish we had more of this kind of progress near me (Colorado USA).
Been in Colorado for the past week or so. You guys are a lot further ahead than Illinois is. Lots more bike paths and lanes, better traffic control that doesn't result in stop and go movement, overall a lot more green space in your shopping centers and in human spaces, also lots more walking areas.
Don't beat up your state too much, it's fantastic compared to mine. :'c
I'm from So. IL originally and been to CO 4 times. Colorado is so much better in my opinion. People biking and jogging everywhere, everyone I met was really nice, like went out of their way to help my friends and I nice. Obviously that's not everyone there, but it was the experience I had. Overall, it's probably my favorite of the states I've been to and hope to go back, maybe permanently, someday.
Well, it certainly beats how it was before, but there isn’t less traffic now – they just put it in a tunnel.
Germany’s public transit is fantastic too tho
This is exactly what happened. They just needed the roads AND the view. The amount of cars is still the same, if not more.
So, as a not very smart man. Wouldn't underground roads be better? I feel with it being underground it'd be easier to manage pollution and install some things to fight it.
It's so backwards. Making this stretch of coastline walkable means more people show up, and if businesses realize this potential then they can capitalize. Makes sooo much sense
Fun fact this is actually the Rhine river that runs sort of ⅔ of the way through Düsseldorf, similar to the Thames in London or the Seine in Paris.
The other bank is much more residential and a little high end so it’s not really a gathering place for the population, whereas the bank shown in the picture is 2 blocks from a tram line that runs parallel to the river and runs into the heart of the CBD making it an extremely approachable body of water and pedestrian strip.
On the weekends, the city holds public events to draw people to gather on this bank like food fares, carnivals, concerts. It’s always packed on the weekends and generates a shit ton of foot traffic for all the pubs and restaurants in adjacent streets.
I had no idea all this was covered in highways just a few decades ago, making the city more walkable was an amazing choice. If you’ve never been to Düsseldorf before or don’t know anything about it, it is definitely one of the highlights of Germany once you’ve had your fill of all the war sites. Extremely liveable city without feeling overcrowded, and just a stones throw from the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, and France.
I wish Colorado would seriously put forth a passenger train between Pueblo to Denver or even Fort Collins.
Utah has one from Provo to Ogden and it's amazing. Beats driving in the psycho traffic.
Yep, lame.
Luckily for op they can edit the title, so please do @tictac2@lemmy.world
He's thr CDU in Berlin. They want to reverse those two pictures.
It's a dream come true far as I'm concerned.
I haven't found anyone adding the detail that the photo is a bit deceptive.
The road is still there, it was just moved underground. It surfaces at the bridge in the background.
It's definitely better, but the car traffic is still there, just hidden.
Source: I live a couple minutes from where the photo was taken
All my homies like chilling by the water
Hell yeah my homies are here! 💦 💦 💦
This title is under a few layers of irony, there are similar pictures floating around of green spaces converted to highways in the US with the same title, OP is suggesting the European version actually is progress
I remember as a kid hearing this vague ideological warfare around it. The Boston Science Museum had a big exhibit on it, as a kid I learned nothing about it. Then it was lamented for being wasteful spending - and only now do I hear about how it was meant to give us back urban areas.
Sure did. I’ve lived in RI my whole life save for when I lived just barely into MA about 5 years ago.
Pardon the Reddit link, but as soon as I saw a before and after a few months ago, I was awestruck.
That's surprising to me. I remember at the time, NBC Nightly News and PBS Newshour (my family's news diet in the 90s) did stories about it, and they both definitely mentioned reclaiming city space as one of the benefits.
I think the Big Dig, while it ended up costing several times what it was supposed to, will go down in history as one of the best highway projects of its era. It also proved infrastructure naysayers wrong. A lot of people insist that any highway projects always just induce demand, resulting in even more congestion, but the Big Dig did nothing of the sort. To this day, 30 years on, Boston traffic is still not as bad as it was pre-Big Dig.
I think there should be some shading structures around the walkway.
Maybe some self-building ones that also act as a carbon sink.
Har har, what I meant was having a shaded overhead thing every couple of yards right along the actual walkway next to the water.
Assuming its mostly concrete having shading could help break up heat absorption and help reduce heat radiation.
Maybe some self-building ones that also act as a carbon sink.
Pretty sure they are referring to trees here.
Why the quotes? It looks much better.
I highly doubt OP knows what quotes mean here
"Sarcasm"
Bro where did u get that username
I uh... typed it in and it was available?
Maybe it has chimneys like the London underground used to when it was steam powered
Sounds NSFW...
That still seems better though. Less noise, safer and more usable space.
If you're there, can you hear them if you put your ear to the ground?
Lol does it matter or are you just curious?
Just curious, haha.
Maybe he meant the upper picture is "progress"
This is actual progress. I'd love for places to have more green
You don't need more roads, you need better quality ones :)
Yeah, it will probably work out if all 1.4 billion people all drive alone in a car, occupying at least 15m² each. Needs one more lane, but then traffic will be solved!
I don't care what you think, but cutting more trees in favor of streets is just never a good idea in this day and age.
Why more roads?
Less cars, more trees, more happiness.
Why did you put the title in quotes
because the cars are still there just OutofSight
Ah yeah they should’ve just done the American thing instead and bulldozed the whole strip of town to put in a 20 lane wide interstate with a Bucees and Walmart/s
They basically did that.
What people call „Rhine“ is a heavily straightened and channelized artificial water road.
Especially in the 19th century they cut off many loops and bends to make it more accessible for ships, to make the land useable and to get rid of flooding (narrator: „it didn’t work“):
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinbegradigung
(don’t have an english article, just look at the pictures)
America has done almost the exact same thing as in this photo: https://images.app.goo.gl/i6UN6uCZWBjUqNL57
I think this is my first time seeing the “/s” on lemmy. And I really hope it doesn’t follow users here. We fully understood the sarcasm without it. It was honestly so much more a statement with ironic wording than it was even sarcasm.
I feel like we’re better than this. We can’t complain about Hollywood and advertising dumbing everything down to the level they think we need and then turn around and spoon feed each other the most basic forms of speech.
You might be able to easily spot sarcasm, but not everyone is blessed with that ability. Many autistic people, for instance, struggle to detect sarcasm. And comments being text only makes it harder. "/s" is an accessibility tool and implying that using these tools is "dumbing down" communication is honestly a very shitty move.
Beyond autism, that /s has become all the more necessary these days in the wake of this huge wave of anti-intellectualism. Outside of private circles, it's so hard now to tell the difference between absurd sarcasm and the genuinely ignorant takes some people proudly share, there's too much of an overlap between the two lol
Autistic person here, yeah I can’t read tone for shit through text sometimes, and especially online you never can tell if and when someone’s being serious.
Don't worry, he didn't mean it, he was obviously being sarcastic because no reasonable person actually dislikes the /s.
I’d argue that jokes not being written for everyone to understand/enjoy isn’t a matter of being wrong. It’s part of the entire subjectivity of comedy.
It's sometimes impossible to detect sarcasm from just text, that's why Poe's law exists. You may be good at understanding sarcasm and satire, but some people aren't and putting /s is making sure that everyone understands instead of just you.
I feel you on the dumbing down part though, but I think sarcastic comments are not a form of media that must be left only to be enjoyed by the people who are "better than this".
I mean... They don't have to be left to anyone. Is it really that hard to ask for or wait for more context before popping off? If I misunderstand sarcasm I just say oh oops I misunderstood my bad and move on with my day. It's such a non-issue.
You forgot the /s
I agree with you but its sorta funny given peoples reaction to the quotes which im like pretty sure was not intended to invert the words meaning.
Why is there open and close quotations? Isn’t this progress?
Because when the word "progress" is used, it is usually a loaded term with some specific connotations. The quotes indicate this is a reference to the word "progress", not a use of the word "progress", and it's intended to draw your attention to the fact that this change, while clearly a positive and desirable one, contrasts strongly with what is usually meant when a person says it.
What's with that?
Yes. It’s progress indeed.
The new look is sexier.
I started writing a comment of confusion because I thought I was on the mildly infuriating community not the mildly interesting community.
Overall yes this is wonderful progress that more cities need to adopt
No, by replacing it with public transportation and human-scaled spaces. Well, leaving one small part of it for service vehicles and people who absolutely need to go buy car if there is no better option.
They actually can't afford not to. Walkable cities improve the economies of cities because people are actually able to get to stores on roads that would otherwise be swamped with cars. It improves health and safety as well.
Why scare quotes? I lived in Düsseldorf back in '90 (go alts - that was the name of my school team, and yes it was sponsored by Alt bier 🍺... different times), it's always been one of Germany's more clean cut, upmarket cities, but this picture makes me want to go back and check it out again.
Then again, I'm a queer transfem and I'm in BERLIN, THE QUEER CAPITAL OF THE WORLD. Düsseldorf is in the last instance just meh.
I grew up next to Düsseldorf. I freaking love this city. Wouldn't it be so expensiv i would live there.
Because it is a magnet for anime fans, i early came in contact with queerness and different worldviews. Düsseldorf still has a big connection to art and due to figures like Joseph Beuys the art community is still pretty progressive. I went to university there and the campus had a progressiv Atmosphere there as well.
But on the other side the city is full of rich and conservativ people. A weird contrast. I would say Düsseldorf is educated while cologne is more open and welcoming.
Yes progress! Using the quotes there make it seem like you disagree that this is progress, which I will choose to believe you didn't mean it like that.
I have seen a few pictures like this from around the world. It's pretty encouraging
Look at all the people enjoying the waterfront now. It's a beautiful sight to see.
That place found its humanity again.
Not sure why the quotes exist, but this is beautiful to see.
Better late than never, and I hope we can take these examples to other car-centric places to fix.
Every urban environment can be improved with the construction of a vague and ominous obelisk
I see a cylinder bit an obelisk.
Public transit and shared autonomous car usage.
Autonomous cats are now common in a couple of cities. No reason to think it won't expand to more. Why not LA?
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Wasn't it just moved underground?
great. put them all underground.
are yall ever warry of france?
Bro how can you be so cucked? I'm also from an EU country but I refuse to suck France's cock
Are you French perchance? Because complaining about the French is just about the most French thing I can imagine.
It looks startlingly nice to me. I see no problem
As an American I'm just assuming that road was moved to be widened and a bunch of low income housing and many blocks worth of historic buildings were demolished in the process.
Don't worry, the historic buildings were destroyed years ago to meet minimum parking requirements
Good old "urban renewal".
Low income housing is a far better use of space than preserving "historic" buildings that are actually just out of code, poorly designed, and slowly decaying old houses that never actually had any historical significance.
The needs of people who are alive and struggling today are infinitely more important than your nostalgia for the homes of dead rich cunts.
You totally misread what I wrote, but thanks for the pointless rant. For a minute there it felt just like being back on reddit.
No, the street is now underground.
The before reminds me of Portland. The waterfront is wasted with i5 and roads running through it.
That's how I feel about SoCal. I noticed on Google Maps a lot of homes are taking up the sea cliffs south of LA. I always thought that all coastline in CA was public...
I totally puked a litre of concentrated grape juice in that hot park in 1999.
Guess whose German wasn’t nearly as awesome as they thought it was…
Seattle did the same thing. So much better.
Scheinbar passiert doch etwas in unseren Städten. 😊
I can’t wait to see Seattle’s viaduct on here when the full parks, sidewalks, and bike lanes get finished!
Reminds me of an old science fiction novel I read years ago. Teleportation had became common, so people no longer needed cars. The entire system of interstate highways was converted to long, narrow parks.
What's the name of the novel? I kinda want to read that now because that sounds interesting.
You’ll be disappointed. It’s a very minor part of the plot, and the construction of the parks is only mentioned in passing. The novel was Ringworld by Larry Niven (written in 1970. Sexism ahoy!)
This is encouraging!
Hope Alexandria in Egypt can come to this realization some day
Looks amazing to me
At first I read the comments and was appalled, then I realized I automatically assumed the shittier picture was the new one. I'm assuming it's because I've never seen it go this direction before.
Put some of the trees on the right to the left.
This guy said something photoshop related in German and I hope it is not a photoshop
He said it looks like it's photoshop and not real, but it is real, it's just the weird lighting that makes it look like it. (Hope you wanted a real answer and your comment wasn't just joking, couldn't tell)
It’s lovely there. Been to many a festival along the river
Maybe you're thinking of the Egypt Coastal Highway that they expanded over a beach?
I feel like I remember seeing a before and after but I can only find a good after pic now: https://i.redd.it/9mx2c8bgtb4b1.jpg
Bonus sad view of the traffic that now fills the new space: https://i.redd.it/fyqnzxeuk3ab1.jpg
Ew, that looks horrible.
The Gardiner in Toronto desperately needs to be pulled down (before people die) and replaced with tunnels.
The viaduct in Vancouver is being torn down but I don't think they plan to build a tunnel. It's the fastest way into downtown from East Van.
The difference between these inevitable projects and Dusseldorf is that property value in Canadian cities is so insane that developers will likely push for the construction of biggest types yet in these cities.
I'd say riverfront land in Düsseldorf has developers drooling also. It all comes down to will, and / or corruption
Am I missing something?
Yes, the fact that you’re in mildlyinteresting
I wonder why there is a second completely unused road on the right of the 1990 picture
Here is another picture. you can see the church in the background. The right side is the road to the houses, and on the left is the speed-way with 2x2 lanes. It was (still) crazy back then.
EDIT: I was corrected. Its not. It is the substitute road.
Here is a recent picture looking from the other direction. Again the church now on the left. It was a crazy project but it was well received by the Altstadt/Oldtown.
In the German Wikipedia you can find another nice picture of the Rhine-Bank (Rhein-Ufer). It shows the Steps to the Rhine in 1900 - before the asphalt rolled over all that land. Notice the church and Tower in the back. And today.
the substitute road
That is a good find. Those Picture are great!
Oh I see. Judging by the 'step' above the road on the first picture it looks like there might have been a dock there before the road was built?
Are we going to magically assume the traffic just vanished?
People and goods still need to be moved from one part of the city to another, as well as from other parts of the country and even internationally. Way too many of these "fuck cars" people naively think you can just wave a magic wand and make the transport of goods and people just disappear. Something would need to be done to solve that. Was an underground highway built? Alien teleportation? A fleet of magic carpets were made available that run on unicorn farts that allow people to get around?
A lot of cities in Europe are actively discouraging people from taking the car to get to the city center. Either by requiring a permit to enter, making it very convoluted to get to your destination by implementing one-way streets and having a few big roads made to take on traffic, outright banning older cars with bad emission, or a combination of the above.
This is typically balanced with park & rides outside the city center, from where you can easily take public transport into the city.
Suppliers are still allowed in and are able to do so because less cars are driving there.
The city I live in has recently implemented such measures. Lots of people were complaining beforehand. But after a few years, there's not less people making it inside the city, no massive congestion, better air quality,...
Edit: not saying this is necessarily the case here. From other comments, it does seem they moved traffic underground. But my reply is still valid to your comment.
You can see in the top picture(1990) that there are very few cargo trucks. It looks like mostly consumer traffic. The most likely altenative is the https://en.wikipedia.org/... massive public transport system they've built since 1988.
Are we going to magically assume the traffic just vanished?
It's an underground highway. Out of sight, out of mind. I imagine they probably also improved the overall road design, like Seattle, Denver, and Boston have done (or are doing) with their projects to bury highways below-grade.
They built a tunnel for the traffic which is a pretty typical strategy for these kinds of projects.
Which is basically what I said at the bottom of my post. But first off tunnels don't work everywhere, are incredibly costly, and local roads would still be needed to let buildings downtown have access.
Or maybe the number bus and tram lines increased, and the train systems expanded. "One person, one car" is a mentality we should all be saying "fuck that" to.
@lemmy.world
This is for strictly mildly interesting material. If it's too interesting, it doesn't belong. If it's not interesting, it doesn't belong.
This is obviously an objective criteria, so the mods are always right. Or maybe mildly right? Ahh.. what do we know?
Just post some stuff and don't spam.
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@lemmy.world
This is for strictly mildly interesting material. If it's too interesting, it doesn't belong. If it's not interesting, it doesn't belong.
This is obviously an objective criteria, so the mods are always right. Or maybe mildly right? Ahh.. what do we know?
Just post some stuff and don't spam.
go to feed...
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