Nintendo Switch 2 finally officially revealed

2 years ago by ampersandrew to c/games

Nintendo has finally given us a first look at its next console, the Switch 2.

A Direct is announced for April 2nd to cover the games.

uninvitedguest 157 points 2 years ago

So much for Nintendo's previous naming conventions. I was really hoping for the New Super Nintendo Switch U.

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caut_R 57 points 2 years ago

They wanna make it very clear that this is their best-selling console ever but better, I would‘ve been surprised if they didn‘t just slap a 2 on it. There‘s so much riding on this for them.

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smeg 50 points 2 years ago
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runner_g 28 points 2 years ago

I'm sure it was considered, but a console nicknamed SS was probably ruled out.

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smeg 31 points 2 years ago
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caut_R 6 points 2 years ago

Yeah, I get that, I was just trying to say that the above is probably their reasoning in my mind. They‘re scared shitless to fuck the transition up, calling it „The Stuff You Guys Loved 2.0“ is the lowest risk move.

I like your Super Switch though lol

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smeg 5 points 2 years ago
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not_IO 2 points 2 years ago

nintendo switch advanced sp

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Rai 2 points 2 years ago

Nintendo Vers

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Carighan 12 points 2 years ago

Plus it's an actual straight upgrade, what with backwards compatibility and all.

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Zorque 2 points 2 years ago

Partial backwards compatibility, based on their asterisk, at least.

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rbits 3 points 2 years ago

That's probably only referring to games like labo and ring fit

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dustyData 3 points 2 years ago

I think that's still the DS. The Switch got close, but didn't beat it, and now that attention is on the Switch2, it probably won't.

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PlexSheep 1 point 2 years ago

Well they did just slap a 3 onto the DS

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lka1988 4 points 2 years ago

And then called the second gen 3DS the "New 3DS".

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someguy3 13 points 2 years ago

Super Nintendo Switch 128 Dodecahedron V.

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CommissarVulpin 5 points 2 years ago

& Knuckles

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Hyphlosion 2 points 2 years ago
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Devorlon 9 points 2 years ago

They got scared after what happened with the Wii U.

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CidVicious 4 points 2 years ago

The new 3ds was very confusing too

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ZC3rr0r 3 points 2 years ago

Yeah, everyone always brings up the Wii U but the whole "New" 3DS situation was even less clear if you ask me

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ApollosArrow 4 points 2 years ago

Then you add in the 2DS which came out after the 3DS.

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bjoern_tantau 6 points 2 years ago

...Cube 128

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Sylence 5 points 2 years ago

I was hoping for the Swiitch

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Pyr_Pressure 1 point 2 years ago

I'll be waiting for the swivtch

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samus12345 5 points 2 years ago

It occurred to me that this is the first time Nintendo has ever not used some new weird naming convention for a successor console. Just 2.

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Threeme2189 3 points 2 years ago

I'd buy a Nintendo Switchety-Four in a heartbeat

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Hyphlosion 2 points 2 years ago
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ieatpwns 76 points 2 years ago

Hoping they add Hall effect sensors and eliminate drift once and for all

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FrodoSpark 25 points 2 years ago

It looks like the controllers attach to the screen magnetically, which may interfere with the sensors of Hall Effect sticks

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riskable 69 points 2 years ago

Hall effect sensor expert here! No, the magnets in the joycons that are used to attach to the display/body of the Switch 2 would not interfere with hall effect analog sticks.

Two reasons:

  • The magnets are too far away (sensors are usually only sensitive to magnets within 10-12mm directly above/below)
  • The mounting/attachment magnets would be perpendicular to the magnets in the analog sticks (if you imagine the flux lines they wouldn't cross the sensory boundary).

Regardless, it would be trivial to place a tiny little piece of ferromagnetic blocking tape wherever necessary to prevent interference.

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VindictiveJudge 2 points 2 years ago

Would the NFC system in the stick interfere with hall effect sensors?

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riskable 2 points 2 years ago

Nope.

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ieatpwns 27 points 2 years ago

Noooooo

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ieatpwns 14 points 2 years ago

I’m not a scientist but I’m pretty sure theyd be able to calibrate the sensors to ignore the magnetic force of the attachment points

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FrodoSpark 3 points 2 years ago

Maybe, I got the Pimax Portal a while back and due to their magnetic attachments Hall Effect sticks wouldn't work. I'm sure Nintendo would have a better time solving this issue than Pimax would though

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dtrain 8 points 2 years ago

That Doesnt affect Hall & Oates sensors, though.

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olicvb 5 points 2 years ago

Rumors/Leaks had them and they were right about what we see in the trailer so hopefully. I'm hoping yes, nintendo must be tired of repairing joycons ^^

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wise_pancake 4 points 2 years ago

The joy cons were awful for that.

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atrielienz 5 points 2 years ago

I updated my Joycons to the hall effect sticks and they're awesome. No drift after several months.

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sapphiria 55 points 2 years ago

Can't help but be a little disappointed. The last few consoles have all been pretty drastically different, but this is just the Switch released again. Only with different connections so you need all new accessories.

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HobbitFoot 54 points 2 years ago

Nintendo collapsed its console and handheld product lines for the Switch. We're also seeing large parts of the gaming industry adopt the Switch form factor for their products. I don't think there is anything that Nintendo could innovate on that would sell.

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Lesrid 21 points 2 years ago

Yeah with Nintendo watching two Xboxes languish and consumer discontent with the recent playstations as well, there's not a real impetus for something radical in design. Some innovation would be exciting but the Switch and PC Handhelds prove people want big grippy mobile devices, even if they're only moving between rooms.

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TheBraveSirRobbin 3 points 2 years ago

I mean that's not what I want, but money talks and I fit into exactly what you said. I did not buy an Xbox, I did but a PS5, but hardly bought (I don't think I've even beaten) any games. The next switch is probably the next console I'm excited about. But it's not because of the portability, it's because they still make couch co-op games.

In short I want to say I don't care for handhelds but I'll probably try harder to get a switch close to release than I will a PS6 even though I don't know how much of a point in either right now. I just have console fatigue, but keep paying into the problem.

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Zorque 8 points 2 years ago

Being able to bring your console to someone else to play couch co-op with them makes developing that style much more appealing.

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Zoomboingding 39 points 2 years ago

At the same time, the Switch is such a solid console that a hardware upgrade with full backwards compatibility* is really the best case scenario. People have wanted a bigger screen, better chip, and better joysticks since launch, and now we'll have them!

*the video says it's not 100% compatible, but I'm assuming that's for stuff like Labo and Ring Fit that need those exact joycon sizes/shapes.

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Duenan 4 points 2 years ago

I’m hoping that with the Ring Fit, to get around that restriction we can just pair the Switch 1 joycons to the Switch 2 console and use them detached.

In theory that might still work.

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sapphiria 3 points 2 years ago

Yeah, I guess I was just hoping for more of a new generation type reveal, rather than a sequel to the Switch. Better hardware is definitely a plus though, would be nice to replay TotK or Pokemon SV with better graphics & performance. I still wonder if those two games were meant to release alongside a Switch 2 prior to the chip shortage.

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avattar 2 points 2 years ago

They'll probably at least try to somehow make the mig switch non-functional on the switch 2, which could cause some other games to not work.

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thehatfox 16 points 2 years ago

Nintendo consoles tended to be radical, Nintendo handhelds were more iterative.

The Game Boy and DS lines all built gradually on each other, seems the Switch line is following suit. I assume Nintendo see the Switch as a handheld that can be docked, rather than a console that’s also portable, so I guess it makes sense that it’s following a similar trajectory of previous handheld lines.

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frank 10 points 2 years ago

I mean the DS was pretty radical at the time.

I feel like Nintendo does a huge innovation, then an iteration or two(or a bunch of little changes), then back to a big change. Wii/WiiU, GB/GBA, DS/3DS, switch/2

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samus12345 7 points 2 years ago

I get why - the Switch was the successor of both their console and handhelds, and it did very well. Why change it?

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MeekerThanBeaker 6 points 2 years ago

You'd need all new accessories anyway with a complete redesign.

I've bought every Nintendo console up until the Wii U. Since they abandoned that early, I decided to skip the Switch. I'll likely pick this up. If this doesn't do well and gets abandoned early again, I'll at least get to play all the games I've missed over the years due to backwards compatibility.

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kipo 5 points 2 years ago

The Switch has so many good games! Sure, most are available on other platforms as well, but overall it's such a great system.

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TAG 5 points 2 years ago

I am hoping that the Joycon mouse mode turns out real and used in some interesting ways.

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sapphiria 2 points 2 years ago

I totally missed that the first time I watched it. That'd be awesome.

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blockheadjt 1 point 2 years ago

Every single console reveal, there's a take exactly like this, and it always ages like milk. Every time.

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sapphiria 4 points 2 years ago

I don't follow - is it going to somehow transform into something that isn't a switch?

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Lumisal 1 point 2 years ago

I think I read that old joycons will still work with it in wireless mode.

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Plebcouncilman 47 points 2 years ago

Cool for Nintendo fans but the ROG Ally has changed the game for me. I’ll miss Pokémon but they haven’t been good in a while so whatever.

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BombOmOm 32 points 2 years ago

The Pokemon games all being the same caused me to get bored of them years ago. And now with them suing Palworld for 'capturing monsters with an object and summoning them in 3d space', a patent made after Palworld released their trailer, I find the Nintendo brand actively harmful to the state of gaming.

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Plebcouncilman 14 points 2 years ago

They actively become easier and shorter every generation. Arceus brought a lot of cool stuff into the series and there was a little bit of hope that things would improve only for them to go back to the stale old formula that wouldn’t be as bad if the games weren’t so easy now that you could beat them by mashing A. I know it’s for kids but damn, the old games were somewhat challenging.

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ampersandrew 14 points 2 years ago

The old games were beaten by a Twitch chat sending little more than random inputs to the game. Maybe the newer ones are worse, but let's be real.

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Semjaza 3 points 2 years ago

The new ones are either flat open spaces or lines.

The 2D games at least had spaces to explore rather than just run forwards.

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Plebcouncilman 2 points 2 years ago

Like I said, somewhat challenging. The new ones are brain dead easy.

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_____ 17 points 2 years ago

Pokemon is literally the same game over and over, I hugely regretted my purchase of pokemon x cause it was literally a cloned game with barely any new features. It's probably Nintendo's most effective cash cow in terms of effort to capital reward.

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Plebcouncilman 15 points 2 years ago

It is literally the biggest money maker in the world. The games sell about 3/5 as many copies as COD with a tiny fraction of the budget. And then they sell even more in merch. And there are people (like me in the past) that buy Nintendo consoles just for those games.

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Cethin -1 points 2 years ago

That doesn't contradict what they said. It being popular says nothing about quality, variety, or effort. In fact, it may be counter to them, as your example of CoD indicates.

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Plebcouncilman 1 point 2 years ago

I wasn’t trying to contradict them??

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CatZoomies 6 points 2 years ago
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Cethin 8 points 2 years ago

The fact that Mega Evolutions are one of the greatest iterative improvements speaks to how stale it is.

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thebigslime -1 points 2 years ago

X&Y were awful though

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ouRKaoS 5 points 2 years ago

I jumped through a couple hoops to get Pokemon Infinite Fusion working on my Steam Deck & I've been having a blast slapping shit together to see how fucked up it looks.

Cleffa + Geodude made me giggle for a good 5 minutes.

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jordanlund 4 points 2 years ago

Sub in literally any Nintendo franchise and it's the same problem, but Nintendo fans don't care.

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Soulifix 0 points 2 years ago

I'm going to disagree. While it seems to you that it's the same game over and over. They do add more creatures per generation, there are new moves, there are new ways in how pokemon does battling and just new things added per generation.

The formula may have been a little stagnant or not as impressive as other leaps before, but still new things.

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Signtist 8 points 2 years ago

I hear this argument all the time, but I don't really understand it. I remember when Pokemon first came out and me and all the other kids were imagining wandering through dense jungles hunting for rare and elusive Pokemon. Sure, we'd imagine battles too, but the franchise always seemed way more about discovery and adventure than about battling. That's why I haven't managed to finish a pokemon have since X and Y, in spite of trying each one. The battles get better, sure, but I just don't really care. Luckily, Legends Arceus was exactly what I always pictured Pokemon to be about, and I had a blast playing through it. Hopefully the next Legends game will be just as good.

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Cethin 4 points 2 years ago

As someone who started with Red/Blue all the way at the beginning, but has grown tired with the formula, I agree Arceus was exactly what I always wanted, but it was also too little too late. It was cool that it finally got to that point, but they're so far behind the rest of the industry. It easily could have been made 10 years before and it still wouldn't be ahead of any trends.

Its obviously a game for children, and that's great. I loved them when I was a child too. I just wish they'd put more effort into it. They make stupid amounts of money, yet they can't even try to innovate.

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Strider 5 points 2 years ago

Well Windows is a no for me on that. And while the steam deck is nice and the OS runs on the ally too, it's still a pc with all it's pros and cons.

(I use both worlds BTW)

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Plebcouncilman 2 points 2 years ago

The ROG Crate software is actually pretty good. It’s not perfect but I rarely have to interact with Windows at all and once you get used to the controls when doing so not all that bad. And I dislike Windows a lot, but if I feel that it’s mostly a non issue. I wouldn’t go for a SteamOS version either, as I like Gamepass.

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Gerudo 2 points 2 years ago

Gamepass is the one reason I can't switch. I'm with you on the crate software, pretty damn impressive.

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Plebcouncilman 3 points 2 years ago

Right? I’ve seen a lot of people on Reddit shitting on it and I for the life of me can’t understand why. The only big issue imo is the lack of a proper sleep mode. Hopefully Microsoft addresses this issue when/if they truly build a handheld windows experience.

And yep, I’ll stick with Gamepass until enshitification runs its course. When it does then I’ll switch to SteamOS. But for now the service is still great for me.

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Cethin 2 points 2 years ago

I switched to Linux probably about two years ago. I was annoyed that GamePass didn't work (because MS specifically handles it in a way to make it not work). Then I just stopped caring. If I want to try a game, there's other ways to (🏴‍☠️). MS specifically created their software to not work where I want to be, so they don't deserve my money. I'm not going to pay my captor to keep me there. I'd happily pay for it again, but they need to meet me where I want to be, and they easily can if they choose to.

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Plebcouncilman 1 point 2 years ago

Can they though? Isn’t the responsibility of porting games to Linux that of the developer? They could create a Gamepass for Linux but that would probably entail more money spent on licensing that platform, and funding ports which they certainly have no economic incentive to do.

That being said, they seem really committed to their “everything is an Xbox” strategy so it would not surprise me terribly if they ended teaming up with Valve at some point and created some kind of Gamepass on Steam thing, where you can play Gamepass games directly from steam or something, which would presumably also include the MacOS and Linux versions of the game if they are available.

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Zorque 1 point 2 years ago

What are the pros and cons you're considering, and how do they compare to the pros and cons of a Nintendo console?

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Strider 2 points 2 years ago

That's a fair question which I have to cut a little short due to it being a huge topic:

The overhead of a full blown operating system you have to maintain is not a trivial thing. You have to update and maintain os, drivers and applications at least and it's directed at all purpose use in general. That means all of the above and games might or might not fit well to a handheld device. Even if it's maintained by a third party (eg Asus) there are many many moving parts that are all purpose. This might be a dialog box with unaccessible options you have to work around or games not working with the controls you need to fix and might never (for me steredenn on steam deck). You can however literally do what you want with it.

Compared to this a console is an optimized experience, golden cage. Things just work. Yes there might be the off chance but in general the producer has a system. 100% under their control and can test and optimize very well, which Nintendo debatably does.

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Zorque 1 point 2 years ago

You mean like how Steam does with the Steam Deck?

Consoles these days are basically just PCs with limited development criteria. But a much much narrower library.

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tacosanonymous 5 points 2 years ago

I can play them on my Steam Deck. Just fyi.

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Plebcouncilman 3 points 2 years ago

Oh I know, I’m just not a big fan of sailing the seas these days. But I might just give it a go with the ones I own just to see how they run.

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MothmanDelorian 2 points 2 years ago

palworld is great

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mlg 39 points 2 years ago

Yuzu 2 when

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devilish666 19 points 2 years ago

Nintendo lawsuit want to know your location

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lud 9 points 2 years ago

Deny

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Hyphlosion 3 points 2 years ago
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MeaanBeaan 12 points 2 years ago

If it's anything like how the Wii was basically a GameCube it may not even be all that hard to rework existing switch emulators to work with switch 2 games. Given that it's going to have full back compat I bet that's why they went after switch emus so hard. They wanted to halt development as much as possible for as long as possible so it doesn't eat away at their switch 2 sales.

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samus12345 7 points 2 years ago

I recall reading something about Nintendo wanting to include Denuvo in the Switch 2. Will be interesting to see whether or not this one's games and consoles are cracked wide open as readily as before.

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QuantumSparkles 11 points 2 years ago

2zu

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LiveLM 36 points 2 years ago

Looks starkly.... Non-Nintendo-y?
I dunno, changing from the full colored joycons to black with accents and more rounded corners caught me off guard. This looks like a handheld from GPD or ONEXPLAYER

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thehatfox 25 points 2 years ago

Everything has to look so serious these days.

The colourful Joy Cons were part of the Switch’s identity, sad to see it reduced to an accent they seem almost ashamed of.

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VindictiveJudge 13 points 2 years ago

I'm guessing the all grey model probably sold better than the one with colorful joycons so they lead with that this time.

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SpatchyIsOnline 9 points 2 years ago

The original switch also had an option with grey joy cons

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MurrayL 7 points 2 years ago

People said similar things about the all-white Wii after the GameCube - it’s just the natural ebb and flow of product design

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Binette 2 points 2 years ago

My hope is that they have an inverted version

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lunarul 2 points 2 years ago

My switch came with black joycons. Iirc it cost extra to get the colored ones.

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v4ld1z 1 point 2 years ago

I think they were the same, but the coloured ones were a little harder to get irrc? Preordered the grey version and it cost 330€ - coloured joy-cons should have been the same

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CidVicious 8 points 2 years ago

I'm sure that they'll have a billion models with more color

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IndustryStandard 1 point 2 years ago

True theseloook rather serious. That said their customer base is also far wider than children these days.

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Chozo 35 points 2 years ago

Was kinda hoping for specs. I like the design upgrade, though.

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simple 55 points 2 years ago

Much like the rest of the announcement, the specs actually got leaked a few days earlier: https://thegamepost.com/...

TL;DR: 12GB of RAM, GPU that's roughly on par with the Steam Deck. It's not the most powerful handheld out there but surprisingly not bad for Nintendo standards.

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caut_R 15 points 2 years ago

Especially considering it has access to DLSS, I‘m looking forward to see what Nintendo‘s first party studios can cook up with these specs. But I‘m waiting for the OLED model sometime in the future.

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narc0tic_bird 14 points 2 years ago

GPU that's roughly on par with the Steam Deck.

...when comparing TFLOPs, and that's not comparable across architectures (by different companies as well!).

If we take similar-performing (in rasterization) Ampere and RDNA 2 cards (say a 3080 and 6800 XT), we can see the 3080 has 29.77 TFLOPs and the 6800 XT has 20.74 TFLOPs, an RDNA 2 FLOP is worth about 1.4x as much as an Ampere FLOP.

So extrapolating the 1.6 "RDNA 2 TFLOPs" of the Deck we get 2.24 "Ampere TFLOPs" and that'd make the Deck quite a bit faster than the Switch 2 in portable mode, but slower than the Switch 2 in docked mode.

This is obviously all just wild and silly speculation, but I doubt the Switch 2 will match the Deck in portable mode. Samsung 8nm would just eat too much power for this to realistically happen in a handheld form factor.

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DoucheBagMcSwag 9 points 2 years ago

No wonder they successfully stopped ongoing development of switch emulation on steam deck.

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Sunshine 5 points 2 years ago

Wow, Nintendo really stepped up the game here.

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sparky 1 point 2 years ago

I wonder if they’ve fallen into the same trap with not making the console powerful enough. The first switch was also not that powerful when it came out, and it’s really struggled in the end of its lifecycle. A lot of first party releases in the last couple years run like complete shit. They probably missed an opportunity here to stash an eGPU in the dock to provide a more modern experience while playing on the big screen.

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Nerdulous 1 point 2 years ago

That hardly seems necessary when the rumored specs have the the GPU nearly doubling in speed and memory bandwidth when it's docked

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sparky 1 point 2 years ago

Ah, missed that. Okay, if the GPU clock is stepped up that much on power then maybe it will be alright!

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Carighan 1 point 2 years ago

Interesting, since we now know the size I would not have expected it to be on-par roughly with the Deck while being so much thinner and a bit smaller. Hrm.

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Eggyhead 33 points 2 years ago

I’ll wait for the OLED model, because apparently this isn’t it.

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lka1988 9 points 2 years ago

This doesn't have OLED? Yikes.

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Glitch 3 points 2 years ago

:O

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rimjob_rainer 31 points 2 years ago

Can't wait... for a Switch 2 emulator

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CeeBee_Eh 19 points 2 years ago

Yuzutu?

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Appoxo 1 point 2 years ago

Yuzucha?

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jaggedrobotpubes 27 points 2 years ago

I bought a game on switch for like 40 bucks that ended up being really bad, and tried to get it refunded within about two hours of purchase, after about thirty minutes of play time. Couldn't get the refund.

Ever since, I was VERY slow to buy anything, because, what if it's unexpectedly bad? I have to know I mean it, otherwise I shouldn't buy it. I want to buy a game, not flush money down the toilet.

So, now I kind of just don't want a Switch 2.

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RidderSport 12 points 2 years ago

My girlfriend accidentally bought Minecraft because she wanted to check out whether she could pay via PayPal. There are no further confirmations. Also no refund possible even though she hasn't even installed it once. If I could be bothered, I'd sue, but in Germany that wouldn't financially make sense, even though it would not be a hard case at all

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IceFoxX -16 points 2 years ago

Where is refund of digital goods, which must be activated or linked outside of Steam possible? With valve it is purely a gesture of goodwill. If you buy a game in a store and remove the foil, you won't get it exchanged either. In Germany, every court would laugh at you and ask you to pay for wasting their time. Maybe you should look for the mistakes yourself? After all, you are the stupid uninformed person who blindly throws your money away. Blaming the embarrassment on the store providers is a real indictment. I'm sorry, you have completely different problems if you can't get your act together.

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RidderSport 8 points 2 years ago

Ad hominem much? The point is an issue with the declaration of will to pursue a contract. You can challenge that after the fact.

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IceFoxX -12 points 2 years ago

We are talking about digital goods that are generally excluded from exchange. Even my little niece knows that. So lazy, stupid customer: find out on YouTube? Better not. Find out on gaming/review websites? Better not. Just google it or read at least 1 sentence about it before buying? No, better not. Buying blindly and then lining up like a toddler because you weren't able to think about it thoroughly beforehand instead of buying blindly.

Use your brain first. Think about the money first. Be smarter beforehand. Get active before.... Publishers always tell better stories... Which retailer doesn't do that...._

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NikkiDimes 6 points 2 years ago

Dude, wtf? You don't have to be such a dick, eh?

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slumberlust 9 points 2 years ago

Steam deck?

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Korhaka 5 points 2 years ago

Been tempted to get a steam deck at some point, just not sure how much I would use it and if it would justify the cost, having all my games already makes it infinitely more appealing than the switch though.

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boonhet 1 point 2 years ago

I don't get how a Steam Deck is a replacement for a Switch tbh.

You buy the Switch to play Nintendo games mostly, though it's nice that you can take it with you.

You buy the Steam Deck because you can take it with you and it has a huge library - but it has no Nintendo games, so it fails to scratch that one particular itch.

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NukeNPave 3 points 2 years ago

but it has no Nintendo games

Natively? No, but it is pretty easy to emulate on the Deck. I have successfully run everything from Gameboy to Nintendo DS and Switch games on the Steam Deck.

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boonhet 1 point 2 years ago

Hmm, how's Switch piracy these days? If I'm emulating, I'm probably not going to be paying for games either since I can't have physical copies

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bitwaba 8 points 2 years ago

SteamOS plus the next gen of MSI Claw or ASUS ROG ally is going to be the absolutely superior gaming and customer experience in the coming years. There's no good reason to buy a Switch unless you need Nintendo exclusives (or have kids, and then it just makes sense).

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SirHery 5 points 2 years ago

Buy it on the first day, never connect it to the internet and wait for the first jailbreak. Then you never have to pay for any game.

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dodos 3 points 2 years ago

I accidentally bought a game that didn't have English in the region I bought it in and they wouldn't refund me.

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gofsckyourself 26 points 2 years ago path: 0 14512391, hotness: undefined, score: 26, children: 6
ampersandrew 36 points 2 years ago

It had worth to me, as someone who was stuck in a place where it was unacceptable to watch a video but was acceptable instead to read a summary quietly.

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Ironfacebuster 1 point 2 years ago

Just curious, why was it unacceptable to watch the video?

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ampersandrew 3 points 2 years ago

It was early morning at jury selection, and I did not bring headphones with me.

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Ironfacebuster 2 points 2 years ago

I can see how it would be a little awkward at jury selection lol

However the video just has some generic sounding apple-esque marketing music and no talking so no headphones required!

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gofsckyourself -13 points 2 years ago

Mute the video?

There's also this

The summary of the article isn't even good. It buries the info in a bunch of other useless information, probably to increase word count and SEO. They could have included pictures from the video, too, but didn't.

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bungle_in_the_jungle 24 points 2 years ago

Thoroughly whelmed

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captain_aggravated 23 points 2 years ago

It is a video game console that I have ever seen.

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Soulifix 15 points 2 years ago

Okay so they just made it slightly bigger. I don't know how to feel on the joycons, though. Like with them just being held by that connector alone on either side, doesn't make me think they'll be as secure.

I wouldn't really call this an ushering of a new generation, this just feels more like an suped up Switch model.

At least you'll be able to play nearly all Switch games on it so nothing is that drastic.

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dgmib 9 points 2 years ago

this just feels more like an suped up Switch model.

To be fair, the last 2-3 generations of PlayStation and Xbox consoles have also been a little more than a bump in CPU/GPU specs. Anything else they added was just gimmicky fluff like Kinect that never really caught on.

Were we really expecting Nintendo to come out with something that wasn’t also just a souped up version of the last console?

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TheMachineStops 0 points 2 years ago

I wouldn't call the difference between PS3 and PS4 just a bump in CPU/GPU there is a huge difference. The PS3 cpu architecture is completely different from the PS4. The PS3 uses a custom PowerPC architecture. The PS3 can be used to make super computers.

https://www.theverge.com/...

At the same time, gaming consoles were simplifying, making them less useful to science. The PlayStation 4 outsold both the original PlayStation and the Wii nearing the best-selling status currently held by the PS2. But for researchers, it was nearly useless. Like the slimmer version of the PlayStation 3 released before it, the PS4 can’t easily be turned into a cog for a supercomputing machine. “There’s nothing novel about the PlayStation 4, it’s just a regular old PC,” Khanna says. “We weren’t really motivated to do anything with the PlayStation 4.”

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Mr_Dr_Oink 6 points 2 years ago

Slightly bigger? Look again, the old switch screen has massive boarders and this one lokks to go to the edges as well as being larger by a few inches. It looks steam deck sized. I would say its a significant increase.

And i got the impression that the joycons would be magnetic. That would make connecting and disconnecting them MUCH easier and intuitive. The amount of times ive seen people struggle the first time with the joycons having the button to release.

Seems like a good upgrade to me. And thats not to mention the extra shoulder buttons on the joycons, the larger joycons, and the fact that this likely doesnt reveal everythin nintendo has in store for us.

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kipo 10 points 2 years ago

I am pretty sure those extra shoulder buttons on the back are the release levers for the joycons. I think the joycons attatch magnetically, but which also activate locking hooks. Otherwise people would be accidentally detaching joycons and the tablet portion would fall and break. Nintendo designs hardware to be kid friendly, so there is almost certainly a secondary attachment mechanism in addition to the magnets.

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Mr_Dr_Oink 4 points 2 years ago

I was talking about these buttons. And in terms of locking in, thats a possibility but a strong set of magnets with a recessed area and a connector seems like it would be quite secure.

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kipo 2 points 2 years ago

Ohh that makes sense!

Now that I am looking at it again, I wonder if those buttons you circled are actually little plungers that push the joycon away from the body to help release it.

Edit: Whatever way they attach, I hope the new joycons don't loosen and flex like some of the current joycons do. Some of my joycons have "wobble" when attached and it makes me sad.

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avattar 2 points 2 years ago

There's a little square recessed area on the bottom of the pink part, which I just now noticed. Might be some kind of locking mechanism?

Or it could be for the strap portion.

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KinglyWeevil 2 points 2 years ago

It also fixes one of the number one switch components to break - the little plastic toggles that lock the joycons in.

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CidVicious 2 points 2 years ago

I think the expectation is that the rails are magnetized. There were a lot of reports saying that they were expected to use that technology.

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g1ya777 15 points 2 years ago

Retro compatibilty probably powered by Yuzu ?

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ILikeBoobies 13 points 2 years ago

Powered by being the same as the Switch + whatever anti-Piracy they put it

Like how the PS5 can play pirated PS4 games but can’t play pirated PS5 games

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Kit 1 point 2 years ago

The PS5 can play pirated PS4 games? That's badass.

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LambdaRX 14 points 2 years ago

I prefered colorful joycons, but I'm also glad that, there is audio jack port.

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MisterNeon 13 points 2 years ago

I really don't like the logo. I know why the logo looks that way considering the Wii U branding debacle, but still.

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CosmoNova 6 points 2 years ago

I‘m assuming they debated about it until the very last second until they settled with the safest option. The leaks probably accelerated things a lot towards the end and it might’ve been called something different entirely if they had more time to agree on a name.

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mosiacmango 7 points 2 years ago

Its been what, 8 years since the original switch was released?

They had plenty of time to decide on a better name.

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CosmoNova 3 points 2 years ago

That‘s not how projects or marketing work most of the time, however. Nintendo is known to use project names throughout development. They have a schedule for each and every step and the recent leaks have turned things upside down for sure.

The reveal itself looks incredibly rushed. I suspect they hastily whipped up a quick animation in Blender by using some simple modifiers and clever editing. It has “Make a product animation in Blender” Youtube tutorial written all over it, if that makes sense. I kind of love it, but it’s not very Nintendo-like and neither is the name.

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therealjcdenton 13 points 2 years ago

Can't wait to play tears of the kingdom at 30 fps

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MajorHavoc 12 points 2 years ago

Lol. I did put my money on "barely distinguishable from the Switch 1, maybe bigger". I guess I win the betting pool.

I'm mainly happy because I didn't want to be tempted to support Nintendo's lawsuit happy asses, anyway.

If they ever release a Virtual Boy Mini, my conscience will never recover from my own hypocrisy, though.

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crazyminner 1 point 2 years ago

I plan on buying just the console (which they usually lose money on anyways), and then leaving it in the box not connected to the Internet until a mod chip comes out.

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b34k 8 points 2 years ago

I don’t think Nintendo loses money on their consoles. With the original switch, and this switch 2, they specifically went with old and slow hardware to ensure the margins work out.

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MajorHavoc 1 point 2 years ago

Ooh. I like that. Ethical, and fun!

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Prethoryn -3 points 2 years ago

Congratulations on your personal betting pool. Wishing you the best.

I will be buying one.

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demizerone 11 points 2 years ago

I'm an og Nintendo hype veteran from the days of N64. This is the first where I ignored all the rumors. I am not impressed also not disappointed.

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NikkiDimes 7 points 2 years ago

It's kind of wild seeing Nintendo just make an upgraded version of the previous console. Even the Wii U was fairly transformative, even if not great.

This, from the perspective of someone who isn't huge on Nintendo, kinda feels more like a "Switch Pro" kind of thing, no?

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ShepherdPie 4 points 2 years ago

I think the "Switch Pro" would be the OLED model as an upgrade of the original. This thing looks brand new even if it shares a lot of similarity to the original.

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CptEnder 10 points 2 years ago

My question is the dock an eGPU?

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amon 19 points 2 years ago

Unlikely, Nintendo probably isn't bothered to boost the graphics beyond the switch 2's onboard GPU. Nintendo doesn't really care about graphics so I'd be surprised if it had an eGPU.

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WarlordSdocy 1 point 2 years ago

Could make an interesting pricier addon for down the line. Like the release version is just a dock but later on they release an egpu dock that you have to buy separately.

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jj4211 10 points 2 years ago

That would complicate things in a pretty non console way, especially counter to Nintendo that hasn't tried to match competitor console performance since the GameCube.

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ILikeBoobies 1 point 2 years ago

N64 expansion pak

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tb_ 6 points 2 years ago

The current Switch still selling as much as it does proves that performance doesn't really matter.

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Redex68 9 points 2 years ago

Almost certainly not

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sparky 6 points 2 years ago

It ought to have been, considering how much games struggle on the first switch lately. This will have the same problem otherwise, 2-3 years into its lifecycle it will be begging for death while the PS5/XSX are still chugging along.

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Appoxo 1 point 2 years ago

Considering what the SteamDeck can provide already...Not really

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SirHery 1 point 2 years ago

If anything they put some better upscaling into it.

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samus12345 10 points 2 years ago

The rumor is that the price is going to be $450 for just the console and $500 for the console with Mario Kart bundled. May or may not be true, but it's certainly plausible given how expensive electronics have gotten since 2017. I was thinking of pre-ordering after the Apr. 2 Direct, but if that price is accurate I'll look into getting a Steam Deck instead. A lower price was the biggest advantage the original Switch had.

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WolfLink 5 points 2 years ago

Imma wait for a Zelda edition. The only release title I’m likely interested in will be Metroid Prime 4 but I can be patient.

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samus12345 3 points 2 years ago

Metroid Prime 4 is already confirmed to be a Switch 1 title. Maybe it can be programmed to run better when on the Switch 2?

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Hyphlosion 2 points 2 years ago
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NastyNative 9 points 2 years ago

Will this still play switch 1 games? (Physical cartridges)

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EarMaster 10 points 2 years ago

Yes

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ours 8 points 2 years ago

From TFA:

The Switch 2 will have backward compatibility with games from the original Switch (with some unspecified exceptions).

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JoshuaBrusque 8 points 2 years ago

Let's go! I'm excited for hardware that will run Pokemon Violet/Scarlet at a non-dog shit framerate (other than pirating).

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ampersandrew 21 points 2 years ago

Are you prepared to have to buy the game again to do that? I don't know it for sure, but it's how I expect Nintendo to operate.

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JoshuaBrusque 23 points 2 years ago

They are claiming backwards compatibility, and I assume that means for physical copies as well. If not, eh we'll see!

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ampersandrew 9 points 2 years ago

There's a disclaimer that says not every Switch 1 game will work, but I think it will play on the new Switch with the same lousy performance it has now unless you buy the Switch 2 version.

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vaguerant 16 points 2 years ago

That is how every previous Nintendo back-compat implementation has worked.

  • GC on Wii
  • Wii on Wii U
  • Game Boy on Game Boy Color
  • Game Boy/Color on Game Boy Advance
  • Game Boy Advance on (New) Nintendo (3)DS
  • Nintendo DS on Nintendo DSi
  • Nintendo DS/i on Nintendo 3DS
  • Nintendo 3DS on New Nintendo 3DS

In every case, the system drops back to the earlier console's hardware specifications. There are hybrid cross-gen games on some of the handhelds which offer improvements on the newer hardware, but up to this point, older games have never been updated to get the improvements of newer hardware. That doesn't necessarily mean the same will hold, but I'd suggest you assume it will and be pleasantly surprised if they buck the trend.

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Hideakikarate 4 points 2 years ago

Another commenter elsewhere mentioned that things like Labo or Ring Fit won't (likely) work because of the different sized controllers. I would be surprised if other games that don't use special extra hardware work just fine.

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DoucheBagMcSwag 1 point 2 years ago

Ah so upgrade cost identical to what Sony did? I can see them doing that ... The problem with that is that the games already have the ability on the cartridge. Remember the datamine of Paper Mario TTYD remake and the higher resolution data on the cart?

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Tekkip20 8 points 2 years ago

The trailer was pretty cool and I liked the bigger screen. I can't wait to see more of what they will reveal.

And backwards compatible games? That's gonna be a money saver for sure!

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Hyphlosion 2 points 2 years ago
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tophneal 8 points 2 years ago

I hope this hardware will stand a chance playing no man's sky. After the freighters were introduced the switch just couldn't handle it

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TheHobbyist 8 points 2 years ago path: 0 14505488, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 3
garretble 6 points 2 years ago

Mouse mode has been rumored, and some leaks have shown what could be an optical sensor on the joy con.

Also, if you take your current joy cons and place them on their side like that, they surprisingly feel pretty great as a mouse. Shoulder button for min click, and your thumb hits the four face buttons. I could see it working pretty well.

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Zoomboingding 6 points 2 years ago

MARIO PAINT 2 BAYBEEEE

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donuts 4 points 2 years ago

I thought the same, but the way the shot was framed made the Joy Cons look more like cars racing around. I wonder how that would work, actually.

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maplebar 7 points 2 years ago

Well, it's a bigger, better Switch alright...

A little bit underwhelming hardware-wise. Extra joycon L/R don't seem like they'll factor in much in most singleplayer docked or handheld settings. (I guess those aren't new buttons.. .) The mouse thing (if that's what they're showing) is somewhat interesting and helps to keep touch controls relevant when docked. Top USB port, sure. Backwards compatibility is great news. Screen is...?

As always with Nintendo I think it comes down to the games. Mario Kart 9 hasn't blown me away just yet, but we've barely seen anything at all so...

To be continued in April, i guess.

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dustyData 1 point 2 years ago

Which mouse thing? they seem to be exactly all the same inputs the Switch 1 already had.

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maplebar 2 points 2 years ago

They seem to be implying that you can turn the joycons on their side to use them kind of like a mouse... I guess?

At least that's what the rumors and chatter have been saying. How practical that is... I dunno.

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VindictiveJudge 3 points 2 years ago

A mouse mode could be extremely useful for things like Civilization or Fire Emblem. Of course, the touch screen is also great for that and Three Houses and Triangle Strategy didn't support it.

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dustyData 2 points 2 years ago

It looked like they were mimicking cars to me, not mice. Not saying that it wouldn't be a cool concept if it has an optical sensor. But they didn't show any visual feedback to imply they were controlling any kind of cursor. If that was the implication, it's obvious it was a rushed marketing piece.

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PCurd 2 points 2 years ago

Please excuse the screenshot of a video but this looks a lot like an optical sensor. I’ve seen a lot of internet “experts” covering this and the general consensus for now is optical sensor too.

Edit: screenshot from 1:02 in the launch video

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lunarul 1 point 2 years ago

They were attached to an accessory that allowed them to slide like that. It must have a point other than just look cool on the trailer.

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CptEnder -3 points 2 years ago
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maplebar 3 points 2 years ago

Did I offend you or something? Does your dad work for Nintendo? 🙄

It's a figure of speech. But let me really spell it out for you and any other fucking slowpokes in the back of the class...

I'm not impressed with the hardware or the software that they showed today. They should show more than 8 seconds of a game that looks marginally better than Mario Kart 8 (a game I bought and enjoyed 11 years ago on the Wii U) if they want to impress me and sell me on a piece of hardware that is incrementally better than the Switch they sold me 8 year ago. Hopefully they have something that will impress me when they do another presentation in April, but if not that's cool who gives a fuck man.

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telllos 7 points 2 years ago

Why would the keep this right joystick sooooooo low! I can't play the switch.

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CidVicious 2 points 2 years ago

? It's never seemed notably low to me. Also I think they want it to be usable sideways

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Hyphlosion 1 point 2 years ago
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TheRealCharlesEames 3 points 2 years ago
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Fiivemacs 4 points 2 years ago

It's so they can release another model 5 months after release and claim they are offering something better.

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Sebastrion 2 points 2 years ago

Yes!!! I hops Ring Fit is backwards compatible!

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missingno 5 points 2 years ago

I wonder if that and/or Labo might be what they meant by the disclaimer that backwards compatibility might not support all titles. Since it's built around old Joy-Cons, might not work with new ones, unless the Switch 2 can just use original Joy-Cons.

Could also be an excuse for Ring Fit 2 built around new Joy-Cons.

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garretble 2 points 2 years ago

In theory the old joy cons could still connect to the system via bluetooth, just not attach to the console itself. So maybe that keeps Ring Fit in play for the system.

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MurrayL 2 points 2 years ago

If that’s the case you wouldn’t be able to charge them, though? I don’t think you can charge them without connecting to a console (or a third party charging dock I guess)

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garretble 1 point 2 years ago

Correct.

I would like to think you could pair old joycons to it in a pinch since outside of that new button on the right joycon they look exactly the same.

But, yeah, when it runs out of juice you’d have to stick them back on the old switch or use a third party charger.

But we’ll see, for sure.

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DoucheBagMcSwag 2 points 2 years ago
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billwashere 2 points 2 years ago

“Revealed”….

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_cryptagion 2 points 2 years ago
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ZeroHora -1 points 2 years ago

Nintendo Switch 2 such a bad name

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DarkMetatron 6 points 2 years ago

Well it is at least not a "New Switch" like they did with the "New 3DS" back then.

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kipo 3 points 2 years ago

My favorite name was "New Super Mario Bros. 2". What a mess.

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LunarLoony 1 point 2 years ago

Even better knowing it was the third or fourth game in that series

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samus12345 0 points 2 years ago

It works for Sony.

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kalr 4 points 2 years ago

Well not only is that their 5th iteration but also named after the amount of games they've produced this gen.

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ZeroHora 2 points 2 years ago

It's works, but it's boring

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frog_brawler -23 points 2 years ago
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missingno 25 points 2 years ago

Assuming you mean Tears of the Kingdom (May 12 2023) and not Echoes of Wisdom just a few months ago? Sorting by release date on the eShop for first-party titles published by Nintendo since then:

  • Pikmin 1/2 ports
  • Everybody 1-2-Switch!
  • Pikmin 4
  • F-Zero 99
  • Detective Pikachu Returns
  • Super Mario Bros. Wonder
  • WarioWare: Move It!
  • Super Mario RPG remake
  • Another Code: Recollection
  • Mario vs. Donkey Kong remake
  • Princess Peach: Showtime!
  • Endless Ocean Luminous
  • Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door HD
  • Luigi's Mansion 2 HD
  • Nintendo World Championships: NES Edition
  • Emio – The Smiling Man: Famicom Detective Club
  • The Legend of Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom
  • Super Mario Party Jamboree
  • Mario & Luigi: Brothership
  • Fitness Boxing 3: Your Personal Trainer
  • Donkey Kong Country Returns HD
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frog_brawler -37 points 2 years ago
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missingno 12 points 2 years ago

That is 22 first party releases. The answer to your question was "yes", not "not really".

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frog_brawler -27 points 2 years ago
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Anivia 14 points 2 years ago

They have released a ton of games since then. Even another Zelda.

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