Unironically the best greentext I ever read was the bottomless pit one written by AI
That was like 3 years ago when generative AI was fun and whimsical
starman2112 43 points a year ago
kogasa 30 points a year ago
The last time I had fun with LLMs was back when GPT2 was cutting-edge, I fine-tuned GPT2-Medium on Twitch chat logs and it alternates between emote spam, complete incoherence, blatantly unhinged comments, and suspiciously normal ones. The bot is still in use as a toy, specifically because it's deranged and unpredictable. It's like a kaleidoscope for the slice of internet subculture it was trained on, much more fun than a plain flawless mirror.
Sergio 6 points a year ago
much more fun than a plain flawless mirror.
yeah agreed! Back in the day I used to generate text for fun with n-grams and I never went higher than bigrams bc it was boring without those unexpected disfluencies. I thought of it being like an electric guitar, you want it to sound a little raw.
belluck 28 points a year ago
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Doll_Tow_Jet-ski 5 points a year ago
🤯
TranscendentalEmpire 72 points a year ago
This guy bought so many rare monkey tokens. Ai is impressive in some aspects, but it's not nearly as impressive as the marketing that drives the massive amounts of investment into it.
The US economy is doing anything it can to create growth, which is causing investors to create a bubble around AI that is "too big to fail".
nailbar 54 points a year ago
I wonder if personal websites with links to each other, like in the olden days, will start growing in popularity again because of how trust is slowly eroded for anything not in your direct control, and search engines becoming more and more useless 🤔
10001110101 3 points a year ago
With infinite popups.
sandflavoured 8 points a year ago
Same here! This will be the way for me.
ArcaneSlime 6 points a year ago
Gotta spin me up a Neocities page...
IndiBrony 48 points a year ago
I think this vastly overestimates the average person's ability to recognise or even care to recognise what is AI and what is not.
You've got all those videos on Facebook which are BLATANTLY AI and the comment section is split between "wow, amazing!" and "it's AI you fucking morons"
The latter will eventually leave the platform and the former will be all that's left.
Valmond 3 points a year ago
Then people jack of to manga (and more) knowing it is not real, and sees through the computer generated images in star treck but still love it. I think you underestimate how malleable the human mind is when we want to!
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Valmond 1 point a year ago
*Yet!
I mean the story arc of most films, books etc is the same 9 step growing character one, bet hentai isn't that crazily overworked either.
But let's hope humans will continue making interesting stuff!
codexarcanum 1 point a year ago
You never know how many of those comments now aren't bits and ai also. The malleable human mind sees "people" expressing opinions and wants to take a side, have an opinion. How convenient that all the options, all the feelings and responses you should have, are already laid out for you. Just "Like and Subscribe" to the persons whose opinions most align to your own.
AnUnusualRelic 9 points a year ago
Finally. This iteration was starting to become weird anyway.
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nebulaone 29 points a year ago
Reputation and PGP signatures could be used to verify real human made content. That is, of course, if people actually care, which I think will be rare.
There might be no-ai communities, that require this and are closed down to avoid being scraped for ai training.
Edit: Also AI is already enshittifiying itself, which might get worse if it becomes more widespread than it already is.
groet 14 points a year ago
Its not about "just having a signature". Its about a web of trust. It only works if you verify if the key belongs to a creator that is actually a person.
Basically creators go to a convention and hand out their public key in person and have other creators sign their key. If you trust creator A is real and they signed the key of creator B, you can have some trust B is also real. And if your buddy went to the convention, met A and B, got their public keys and tells you they are real you can also trust they are real. The more steps/signatures you are away from a creator the less trustworthy they are and nothing really ensures a (human) creator doesn't use AI secretly. If somebody is found to be a fraud everyone has to distrust their key.
PieMePlenty 8 points a year ago
Trust is the most important part. You trust someone they made something themselves. They digitally sign their work with a public key that is known to be theirs. You can now verify they (the person you trust) made it.
Once the trusted creator's key is leaked, they are no longer trusted for future works.
AI made content can be freely signed as well, but if you don't trust the origin, the signature doesn't matter anyway since it will just verify it is coming from the AI creator.
The key thing is trust, the signature is just there to verify.
jumping_redditor 0 points a year ago
nothing, however the signature could be untrusted after it is discovered that it was sold/stolen
racketlauncher831 2 points a year ago
Throw the technical bit away. Just think of it as a signature. Yes, an old school, written-with-hand signature.
Does the bank trust me giving you $100 by you having this cheque? Yes. Why? Because I told them what my name is and what my signature is like.
Will the bank give you $100 if you stole my cheque and sign your name on it?
alekwithak 2 points a year ago
I like webghost0101's Idea:
[...] a blockchain linked video camera where metadata of footage gets written into the chain to combat fake news and misinformation.
The goal would be to create a proof and record of original footage, to which media publishers and people who share can link towards to verify authenticity/author.
If the media later gets manipulated or reframed you would be able to verify this by comparing it to the original record.
sus 13 points a year ago
blockchain is a totally useless extra bit glued on there. All the real evidence will be the cryptographic signatures added by the hardware manufacturer (which can be faked, but requires extracting the keys from the "security chip" in the camera which may be very difficult)
all the blockchain does at that point is provide a timestamp of "signed hash of the picture+metadata was uploaded on x date" which can easily be done without blockchain too
Buddahriffic 1 point a year ago
Yeah, the interface between the analog reality and its digital representation will always be the weak point. But, such a scheme could at least mean that whatever reality is going to be represented at least needs to be decided relatively quickly after the moment has passed, rather than it being possible to create whatever video helps the most well after the fact.
Like if someone is trying to frame someone of some crime, with video authentication, they need to create and authenticate a video based on when they want the supposed crime to occur. Without it, they could find out when their target has alibi gaps and just target that time after the fact.
Though another bit on reality's side is corroborating with other nearby cameras. If my camera says you walked onto my property at 8:00 and left at 8:30, there should be nearby cameras I don't own that pick you up before and after those times. Every camera that has an angle should pick it up. Though advantage goes to those with many cameras, since real footage or fake, they'd be better able to create a longer narrative and dispute conflicting narratives.
elvis_depresley 24 points a year ago
Part of the fun of watching stuff isn't because it "customised to me" it's sharing an experience with the creator(s) and friends, family etc.
I see genAI being used as a tool for creators but not as an automation of content creation.
rtxn 4 points a year ago
AI would be chronically incapable of implementing actually surprising plot twists that are both unexpected and consistent with the rest of the plot (and not somehow someone back into existence). If it hadn't been written before, an AI would never make Darth Vader be Luke's father unless specifically prompted, at which point, why even.
(I've just finished a hexalogy marathon, my head is full of jedi.)
SethTaylor 23 points a year ago
Actually, polls show that most people are not fond of AI-generated content and want it to be labelled or don't want it at all.
As for generating your own entertainment at home, see interactive movies. They did not take off because people don't want to be "working" for their entertainment. That's their time to relax and not make decisions.
All in all, we're not as careless as it may seem.
thecoffeehobbit 5 points a year ago
I'd be very interested in these polls if you have some to link!
halvar 21 points a year ago
I personally doubt that will happen, since the current models require a lot of data to get better, something we actually don't have. The real danger is what happens once we figure out how to make models without an absurd amount of data.
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Rossphorus 15 points a year ago
Video evidence is relatively easy to fix, you just need camera ICs to cryptographically sign their outputs. If the image/video is tampered with (or even re-encoded) the signature won't match. As the private key is (hopefully!) stored securely in the hardware IC taking the photo/video, any generated images or videos can't be signed by such a private key.
topherclay 11 points a year ago
So whatever way the camera output is being signed, what's stopping you from signing an altered video with a similar private key and then saying "you can all trust that my video is real because I have the private key for it."
The doubters will have to concede that the video did indeed come from you because it pairs with your key, but why would anyone trust that the key came from the camera step instead of coming from the editing step?
sugar_in_your_tea 7 points a year ago
You can enter the camera as evidence, and prove that it has been used for other footage. Each camera should have a unique key to be effective.
So if you create a new key, it won't match the one on am existing camera. If you steal the key, then once that's discovered, the camera should generate a new one.
tweeks 2 points a year ago
But if you don't actually check the physical camera and prove that key for yourself, then it can easily be faked by generating a key that is not coming from the camera and is used for the "proof" video and the fake video.
sugar_in_your_tea 2 points a year ago
Any self-respecting judge would check, and hopefully most journalists would keep records of these things to prove where the footage came from.
Taleya 6 points a year ago
Mate, digital cinema uses this encryption /decryption method for KDMs.
The keys are tied into multiple physical hardware ids, many of which (such as player/.projector ) are also married cryptographically. Any deviation along a massive chain and you get no content.
Those playback keys are produced from DKDMs that are insanely tightly controlled. The DKDM production itself even more so.
And that's just to play a movie. This is proven tech, decades old. You're not gonna break it with premiere.
tweeks 4 points a year ago
But how would one simple member of the audience easily determine if this whole chain of events is valid, when they don't even get how it works or what to look out for?
You'd have to have a public key of trusted sources that people automatically check with their browser, but all the steps in between need to be trusted too. I can imagine it is too much of a hassle for most.
But then again, that has always been the case for most.
Rossphorus 0 points a year ago
This is just standard public key cryptography, we already do this for website certificates. Your browser puts a little lock icon next to the URL if it's legit, or provides you with a big, full-page warning if something's wrong with the cert.
Taleya 2 points a year ago
The technology would be extremely easy to adapt, with the certs being tied to the original recording equipment hardware. Given i don't see a $60 ip cam having a dolphin board it would probably be relegated to much higer end equipment, but any modification with a new key would break the chain of veracity
Rossphorus 3 points a year ago
You, the end user, don't have access to your camera's private key. Only the camera IC does. When your phone / SD card first receives the image/video it's already been signed by the hardware.
jumping_redditor 0 points a year ago
so you want the hardware to be significantly more opaque and almost impossible for new manufacturers to compete?
Rossphorus 0 points a year ago
It's pretty standard practise these days to have some form of secure enclave on an SoC - Arm's TrustZone, Intel's SGX, AMD's SME/SEV. This wouldn't be any different. Many camera ICs are already using an Arm CPU internally already.
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IlovePizza 1 point a year ago
Wouldn't this be as easy to break as to point a camera at a screen playing whatever you want?
Perhaps not with light field cameras. But then you could probably tamper with the hardware somehow.
sus 3 points a year ago
getting the picture to perfectly replicate the image on the screen without it being noticeable that it's just a picture of a screen would be so difficult it would probably be easier to modify the camera instead
racketlauncher831 12 points a year ago
Photorealistic porns? What's your problem, man? You have realistic AI and this is all you'll have? Just order a silicon doll and put an AI chip into it! Free sex-sla wife!
yournamehere 11 points a year ago
email. gmail already summarizes every mail by default in the US. most emails are bot spam. ppl start using ai bots to answer emails. is that the internet of things?
starman2112 10 points a year ago
>I have long-since decided to stop watching new media altogether, opting instead for anime that I downloaded and hoarded before 2030, that I can verify was made before generative AI gained popularity
And I'm open to recommendations, I need to stockpile a good 30 years worth of content and I only have like 2 right now
Phoenix3875 6 points a year ago
I have a friend that does a rolling schedule on her hoarded old media, which according to her, is sufficient for the rest of her life.
starman2112 1 point a year ago
Frankly I could probably make do with what I got. If I redownloaded every anime I ever watched, I'd have a little over 4 years worth of material to watch and rewatch over and over again. But if I never saw anything new, I'd never see anything new, and all my favorite shows were new once
New to me, that is. All my favorite animes came out like 15+ years ago
wowwoweowza 9 points a year ago
Read classics:
Pride and Prejudice" by Jane Austen, "Moby Dick" by Herman Melville, "The Great Gatsby" by F. Scott Fitzgerald, and "1984" by George Orwell.
Start here. There are thousands.
silasmariner 5 points a year ago
Why start there with British and US authors? Why not 100 years of solitude, Disgrace, and dream of red mansions?
silasmariner 1 point a year ago
Not gonna double my response - OP deserved it more - I will say another 'fair enough', give you an upvote, and leave it at that
wowwoweowza 2 points a year ago
For the same reason your user name is not buendiablo?
I guess we can all suffer a little eurocentrism from time to time? But yes — enrich the list with international voices! One of my favorite novels is THE PONDS OF WAGABA by Elichi Amadi… a little known gem any fan of George Eliot would love.
silasmariner 2 points a year ago
Good response, happy with that. Sorry about the implications, I think I just found it a fusty conservative choice. Had it been Infinite Jest and Chaucer I probably wouldn't have bothered responding. Sometimes the idea of 'classics' can seem... narrow and dull. Just wanted to mitigate the notion it was all brown bread (not that I don't love your suggestions tho')
wowwoweowza 2 points a year ago
Getting back to the AI entertainment nightmare predicted in the image… what does it mean if all that happens… it reminds me of all the fat useless humans in WALL-E. It’s like what is the point of anything if that actually IS the future?
wanderwisley 9 points a year ago
Reading this made my eye twitch.
DarkDarkHouse 3 points a year ago
Just the kind of anthropomorphism a bot with no eyes would use 🤔
Dogyote 8 points a year ago
Simetimes I think the future will resemble the pre-internet era. AI content will be so easy to create that the zone will be flooded with shit, and only a few reputable sources will be trusted, like when there were only a few TV news channels.
StarlightDust 8 points a year ago
That porn had to be trained on real people's bodies who will never see a penny of it. That's laundered revenge porn.
schnurrito 7 points a year ago
Before the invention of video, humanity didn't have video evidence either and still managed. We are approaching the end of a ~150 year time period in the history of humanity in which video evidence is persuasive.
thebestaquaman 6 points a year ago
"Managed" in the sense that crimes could only really be resolved if you had witnesses, and "managed" in the sense that it was far more common for people to be wrongly convicted. Photo and video evidence are pretty crucial to having modern crime resolution rates.
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lessthanluigi 3 points a year ago
I love my computer, you make me feel alright! every waking hour, and every lonely night! I love my computer, for all you give to me! predictable errors, and no identity! and it's never been quite so easy, I've never been quite so happy!!! all I need to do, is click on you, and we'll be joined in the most soul-less way! and we'll never ever ruin each other's day, cuz when I'm through I just click, and you just go away! I love my computer, you're always in the mood! I get turned on, when I turn on you! I love my computer, you never ask for more! you can be a princess, or you can be my whore! and it's never been quite so easy. I've never been quite so happy!!! the world outside is so big, but it's safe in my domain, because to you, I'm just a number and a clever screen name! all I need to do is click on you! and we'll be together for eternity, and no one is ever gonna take my love from me, because I've got security, her password and a key!
BotsRuinedEverything 2 points a year ago
I made every one of these predictions years ago
Quexotic 2 points a year ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZM631DkidA
Amnesigenic 2 points a year ago
Just swap security cameras back over to analog, problem solved for video evidence
Amnesigenic 5 points a year ago
Shit
Opisek 4 points a year ago
The only thing that I can come up with is tamper-proof cameras with a secure execution environment that cryptographically sign the recordings and physically trash themselves when the enclosure is opened.
Amnesigenic 1 point a year ago
Sounds better than anything I could think of
theblips 1 point a year ago
Most readers would gladly read AI slop instead of real literature, and thousands likely already do. Just look at how much brainrot gente fiction is pushed on "booktok" and the now common practice of choosing books by tags only.
Also, for AI porn, it's already all over /b/
QueenHawlSera -11 points a year ago
Wouldn't be against that
Interstellar_1 16 points a year ago
Would.
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