It does seem rather similar to the collapse of Soviet Russia. Increasingly little confidence in the government by citizens all across the country. States that increasingly aren't seeing any benefit in existing as part of the union. Its quite uncanny actually.

There are differences of course bcz there isn't as big of different ethnic groups concentrated throughout the country ready to start their own countries bcz they never wanted to be part of the country in the first place.

I really dont want to find out whats on the other side of that scenario for us, but it doesn't seem completely unlikely.

The documentary, HyperNormalisation, was made nearly a decade ago, in 2016.

Just a fun tid bit I thought I'd share.

Edit: spelling. Thanks, u/A_norny_mousse

I know this narrative is wide spread, and I have no chance to fight it, but it's not fucking not.

USSR has collapsed because of a lot of factors, but the most important of them was that the political elite was willing to change (not to be mistaken with to go away). USSR had an infinite space for doubling down deeper and deeper

I experience the opposite, at least here on Lemmy. It all leads me to conserve my attention for the things that are actually happening.

I mean sure, it's still draining and hard to keep up with, but I think we all learned to filter out some of the nonsense, and see behind the clown show. Except for those who thrive on the outrage, and not actual concern.

Here's hoping it's leading up to a collapse this time too.

Probably many sleeper agents in the US already

American concept of law enforcement at the hands of the Executive resulted in this lawlessness

there's literally no system in place to hold anyone accountable for anything

There is, it's voting.

The problem is that democracy relies on voters being informed. Aside from being racist, sexist and classist, one reason that the US founding fathers initially limited voting to white male land-owners is that they thought they would be educated and knowledgeable. In 2025 we're in a situation where any US citizen over 18 gets to vote, regardless of knowledge or education. At least half the country is buried under an avalanche of disinformation and propaganda, so the system that should hold people accountable for things is broken because nobody can agree on even the most basic facts.

Mostly agree, but the Epstein bit gave me pause. Did anything new come to light recently?

Sure there is. There's more of you than there is of them.

But Mexico was going to pay for the wall...

8% is honestly impressive. The Mexico / Texas border is 2000 km. If they actually built 160 km of wall that's a real achievement.

But, it shows how unrealistic the project is. 160,000 metres of wall is a massive undertaking. There aren't many other human projects that involve building something that big. And it was only a tiny fraction of the distance they needed to cover. They would have left the hard parts for the end. The hard parts are both hard to construct and hard to legally acquire.

Some sections of the wall would have been hard to construct because of the type of soil/rock, and because of how remote they are from everything. The costs there would probably have easily been 10x the costs to construct in easier places. Good thing Mexico was going to pay for the project.... right?

Then, there's the issue of expropriating private land to build the wall. A lot of the land along the border is privately owned, and even when the owners are die-hard Texan republicans, they're not want to give the government their land so the government can build a huge wall. The stuff that was easy legally would have been the first to get done. The stuff where they needed to claim eminent domain and defend lawsuits in court is another matter. The really tricky stuff would have have been put off as long as possible.

So, it's 8%, but it's not the hard 8%, it's the easiest 8% of what was frankly an impossible project.

As a distraction for internal problems they caused

To create a ladder?

Peak lib delusions. That's why y'all lost. Quiet down and go back to brunch.

"People" meaning major news stations which are controlled by billionaires and are the only source of news for the boomer generation. This has lead to the brainwashing that allowed our current president to get into office.

That's four pillars... I'll start again...

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"Amongst the pillars of American education are such diverse elements as..."

It’s literally called “flooding the zone” and they’ve talked openly about the fact they’re doing it

¿Por qué no los dos?

waging the dog, Reichstag Fire, whatever you want to call it that's all this is. We can't have the plebs focusing no us assassinating the opposition, lets go bomb Iran saying we took out their nuclear capabilities meanwhile we actually didn't.

Hypernormalisation

Like you said, I think it's more prioritization than desensitization. It really isn't the most important story out there now, and it's not a conspiracy that it's not being mentioned.

USA would much rather support genocide in palestine than resist genocide in ukraine.

“Yes, we do have a moon base and yes, we are experiencing some bear problems.”

I was thinking that the next one was going to be caused by Iran (or at least blamed on them) so as to manufacture consent for this bullshit war.

Or, more likely, accelerate it.

Firehose of falsehood also is Russian thing

Agreed, my friends knew about 90% of these and most of them are not on Lemmy. I think the weak link, or the one most hadn't heard of, is the new funding bill that grants Trump more crazy powers to thwart the justice system ... but at this point who can be surprised by that.

Impeachment requires majority, Republicans have majority and MAGA will never cross their cult leader.

Some great explanations in this post:

https://feddit.org/post/14602861

Someone hasn't read the Old Testament...

I saw an analysis of results in deep-blue Arizona cities where there were quite a few people who voted for Trump...then Democrat down the rest of the ballot.

It's not hard evidence, but it's suspicious. The problem the US has is that the winners are quite okay with winning at any cost and don't see a problem, even if the win was stolen.

There's an active court case in New York uncovering indications of tampering and wild statistical anomalies. This blog is a little conspiratorial sounding, but it's also doing a difficult job of putting back together the pieces of what is looking like a well executed technological coup.

https://thiswillhold.substack.com/...

Yes and no. As others have stated, there isn't a whole lot of evidence that any specific cheating was happening. But historically Republicans have always cheated and if there was a way to cheat they would cheat. They have been slowly putting people into positions that would allow them to affect the elections. They have been making laws to make it harder for people to vote that they don't want voting.

I think the more interesting question is if they did cheat, would it even matter?

More and more evidence is coming to light. Even more will come out, eventually they'll start getting connected together, and eventually names will be attached.

Unfortunately, it won't be the cowardly Dem leadership that will find this. People on the outside are going to have to uncover the facts and blow it up to the point that the Dems can't ignore it.

I am so drunk rn but I can't wait to read this tomorrow because you are a goddess sharing fucking .gov sources to a mother fucking bill and I'm ALL ABOUT those kind of sources after years of clickbait news

we the people have probably read more of any given proposed bill than the republican congress voting on it, how fucked is that?

it is when the republicans skim their knee

It's almost to that point with republican domestic terrorists. Hell, they admitted as much at cpac

Fascists shooting people isn't news because it's always been a major foundation of the state.