'Universal cancer vaccine' trains the immune system to kill any tumor

a year ago by cm0002 to c/science

Following on from their breakthrough human trial that successfully reprogrammed the immune system to overpower glioblastoma, an aggressive brain tumor, the same scientists have now further developed the mRNA vaccine to fight not one but any cancer. It has the potential to do away with chemotherapy,…
GargleBlaster 187 points a year ago

I'll read the publication in the coming days and report back, but don't get your hopes up. There's a "breakthrough" in cancer research every few months and it leads to nothing. And this study was done in mice which are a bit different to humans (citation needed)

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iopq 94 points a year ago

They cured hair loss in mice at least twenty times now and we still have bald humans

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remotelove 97 points a year ago

They should probably find a way to turn humans into mice. It's a shame to leave billions of dollars on the table like that.

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WoodScientist 34 points a year ago

Might be a good concept for a sci fi story actually, probably a comedic one. Scientists learn how to cure any disease and reverse aging, but only for mice. Conveniently for plot reasons, they also figure out how to turn people into mice and back. You can get any disease cured or become young again...but you have to spend three months as a mouse.

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MegaUltraChicken 7 points a year ago

Someone that knows what they're doing: I will watch this show.

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Zirconium 4 points a year ago

I cannot remember what but I've heard of mention of a story where because there's so many cures of disease for mice that they take over the world or something. It's such a faint mention sorry

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vestigeofgreen 4 points a year ago

I know of a short story on becoming a mouse, but that one's focus is something euthanasia adjacent.

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Dicska 5 points a year ago

Fuck that, just implant those mice on my scalp.

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Lost_My_Mind 12 points a year ago

Why do we not simply transplant the hair from the mice, onto the humans?

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WoodScientist 17 points a year ago

To avoid rejection of the hair follicles, simply glue live mice to the top of your head.

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ikidd 4 points a year ago

This sounds like a ChatGPT response from the early days.

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gibmiser 4 points a year ago

Gonna need a Lotta mice

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kurwa 3 points a year ago

At least 3

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FauxPseudo 11 points a year ago

"Mice lie and monkeys exaggerate."

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theLetterJ 8 points a year ago path: 0 18328940 18329014 18330660, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 0
Taleya 2 points a year ago

We have hair loss cures for humans too, the main roadblock for use is men like functioning balls.

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iopq 1 point a year ago

I take finasteride and my balls are functioning

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OpticalAccount 42 points a year ago

I think this is overly negative. There have been multiple significant advances in cancer treatment over the past 10 years. It just depends which type you get.

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jj4211 8 points a year ago

Maybe overly negative by saying they come to "nothing", but if you trace those advances back to their initial press release stage, they generally way ovehype it.

Here we have what is being heralded as maybe a universal response to any and all cancer. That would be a shockingly amazing deviation from basically all the cancer research to date. It's possible and wonderful if true, but generally the research falls short of the initial press coverage, even if it amounts to something.

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chosensilence 32 points a year ago

while you're not wrong i do want to reiterate that mRNA vaccines are likely going to be how we treat and cure cancers so there is precedent at least for this to be massive news. if not this there will likely be a real announcement one day.

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tburkhol 22 points a year ago

The likelihood that all cancers express a common surface marker that is never expressed by any non-cancerous cell seems pretty low. Not a cancer biologist, but there's all kind of different genetic paths to cancer - why would they all cause some specific molecule to be expressed and why would no other cell ever use it?

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AmidFuror 25 points a year ago

Your instincts are correct. The approach in the paper is more complicated than this. Here is the abstract:

Abstract The success of cancer immunotherapies is predicated on the targeting of highly expressed neoepitopes, which preferentially favours malignancies with high mutational burden. Here we show that early responses by type-I interferons mediate the success of immune checkpoint inhibitors as well as epitope spreading in poorly immunogenic tumours and that these interferon responses can be enhanced via systemic administration of lipid particles loaded with RNA coding for tumour-unspecific antigens. In mice, the immune responses of tumours sensitive to checkpoint inhibitors were transferable to resistant tumours and resulted in heightened immunity with antigenic spreading that protected the animals from tumour rechallenge. Our findings show that the resistance of tumours to immunotherapy is dictated by the absence of a damage response, which can be restored by boosting early type-I interferon responses to enable epitope spreading and self-amplifying responses in treatment-refractory tumours.

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captainlezbian 11 points a year ago

Eh a lot of them save some lives. Its just cancer is really good at killing people and there are a lot of types of cancer

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Dudewitbow 9 points a year ago

It's why I start following it myself when it gets to the human trial stage and less the breakthrough stage. There, you make the assumption that they have a plan and are much more confident in the product.

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RebekahWSD 3 points a year ago

I will remain eternally hopeful! Maybe someday. Maybe!

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HugeNerd 1 point a year ago

How about fusion power and room temperature superconductors...

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Canonical_Warlock 2 points a year ago

ITER is still well under way as far as fusion goes. I doubt room temp super conductors will ever be a thing though. If we can get a metalic material which superconducts above the boiling point of nitrogen then that will be world changing enough.

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HugeNerd -1 points a year ago

LOL. ITER is not and has never been meant to be a fusion power plant. That would be DEMO.

Don't hold your breath.

https://en.wikipedia.org/...

Fusion power will never, ever happen. Ever.

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untorquer 2 points a year ago

Yeah just wait for the oil/LNG and helium reserves to run out. 🫠

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nymnympseudonym 1 point a year ago

Look at CFS SPARC, not ITER

They will have an actual functioning fusion machine with Q>10 by end of this year thanks to high temperature superconductors that were not available when ITER started

https://cfs.energy/

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SabinStargem 94 points a year ago

Hopefully, the researchers will be fully employed by the EU. I wouldn't trust the US to not fuck up this miracle.

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some_designer_dude 42 points a year ago

β€œHow much would you pay to not die of a tumour?”

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Oka 4 points a year ago path: 0 18330582 18331093 18331463, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 0
DoucheBagMcSwag 51 points a year ago

I can't want to never hear about this again

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mechoman444 49 points a year ago

Rfk is about to wake up and fire everyone doing this research.

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LovableSidekick 6 points a year ago

When we say "healthcare" we mean caring for the health of healthcare corporations.

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Grandwolf319 47 points a year ago

While the formulation isn't unlike the Covid-19 vaccine, which uses lipid nanoparticles to deliver the genetic instructions to the body, it is still somewhat different. Instead of the drug encoding a virus protein, it sends a message to the immune system to rally the troops. It essentially tells the body to produce certain proteins that stimulate the immune system – including a protein within cancer cells known as PD-L1 (Programmed Death-Ligand 1), which makes tumors become more visible to immune cells.

TLDR: they are finding that it’s more effective to make cancer more visible and have the body’s immune system do its thing.

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LovableSidekick 44 points a year ago

It has the potential to do away with chemotherapy, surgery and radiation treatment.

I read that as: Will never reach the market because it threatens a multibillion dollar industry.

But srsly, glioblastoma is a really nasty motherfucker with a very low patient survival rate, so if they've really managed to cure it that's a huge milestone.

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NaibofTabr 44 points a year ago

In this study on mice...

Took them 7 paragraphs to get around to mentioning that.

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ColeSloth 16 points a year ago

But this was based on their treatment of glioblastoma working in humans, and is a modified version of that one.

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iturnedintoanewt 40 points a year ago

Previous research has focused more on homing in on a target or tailoring a vaccine specific to a patient's own cancer profile.

"This study suggests a third emerging paradigm," said study co-author Duane Mitchell, MD. "What we found is by using a vaccine designed not to target cancer specifically but rather to stimulate a strong immunologic response, we could elicit a very strong anticancer reaction. And so this has significant potential to be broadly used across cancer patients – even possibly leading us to an off-the-shelf cancer vaccine."

So... Kinda triggering your own auto-inmune response. But I'd be wary of trouble with overtly aggressive auto-inmune responses, as we already have quite a few diseases coming from these, as well.

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eletes 15 points a year ago

I guess if I was gonna die and absolutely wanted more time I would make the trade off for living with lupus

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ivanafterall 11 points a year ago

living with lupus

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jaennaet 9 points a year ago
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Tattorack 1 point a year ago

It's never lupus.

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kinther 4 points a year ago

Multiple Sclerosis comes to mind

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yermaw 4 points a year ago

Superbugs are gonna look like regular bugs.

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OptimisticPessimist 3 points a year ago path: 0 18334791 18338606, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
Corkyskog 3 points a year ago

This sounds like the intro plot to one of those zombie movies...

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ameancow 8 points a year ago
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Taleya 1 point a year ago

Yeah i've had RA since i was 12, that explaination of function just made my brain screech

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SirActionSack 35 points a year ago

This is how I Am Legend starts.

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DragonTypeWyvern -15 points a year ago

Win/win I love people that slap Chris Rock

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NeilBru 3 points a year ago

What? Why?

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mintiefresh 24 points a year ago

I want to believe.

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vga 24 points a year ago

I'm gonna be watching with popcorn when anti-vaxxers get cancer and definitely 100% will take this vaccine.

I mean, if it's true and not just shit science reporting that I assume it is.

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acosmichippo 23 points a year ago

mRNA vaccine research in America? don’t need that, cancel the funding!

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BetaBlake 20 points a year ago

Republicans "universal? Not on my watch"

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andallthat 1 point a year ago

Universal as in "anyone can pay big $$$ for it"

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WorldsDumbestMan 19 points a year ago

What is the catch?

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rothaine 17 points a year ago

We'll find out in 30 years

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AngryRobot 13 points a year ago

It causes cancer.

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cheesymoonshadow 2 points a year ago

Whatatweest!

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AngryRobot 2 points a year ago

A fellow Robot Chicken connoisseur, I see! You have very good taste.

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MashedTech 4 points a year ago path: 0 18338008 18339950, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 3
WorldsDumbestMan 9 points a year ago

Besides that, I assume it comes at the cost of...unintended consequences for the body

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Zetta 9 points a year ago

As all medicines do, we still take medicine because it's good for us in most situations when needed.

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alucard 3 points a year ago

The ol’ cure the disease by killing the patient technique. Classic

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BarneyPiccolo 18 points a year ago

Too bad we got a Sociopathic Oligarchs as HSS, who thinks mRNA vaccines should be banned. Cancer is better than...well, whatever is wrong with mRNA vaccines.

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BigMacHole 18 points a year ago

Universal Cancer Vaccine? WASTE OF MONEY, CUT IT!

-The Trump Administration!

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frenchfryenjoyer 17 points a year ago

amazing. i can already hear the anti vax crowd seething lol

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PlantDadManGuy 13 points a year ago

Conservatives will somehow find a way to level this as devil worshiping blasphemy and let their children die of brain cancer instead.

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half 10 points a year ago

I was recently in a conference about synthetic biological approaches to deal with cancer. The only quote I wrote down was "this approach kills cancer in a petri dish, but so does a shotgun"

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gandalf_der_12te 4 points a year ago

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half 3 points a year ago

All that time thinking it was a funny inside joke in the biological community and someone ripped it off an xkcd. Of course they did. That's hilarious.

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catty 10 points a year ago

Any cancer? How does this work with people who have gene mutations that suppress cancer-fighting defence systems.

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InnerScientist 5 points a year ago

E X T E R M I N A T E^/s^

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potato_wallrus 9 points a year ago

CIA hitmen:

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EffortlessEffluvium 9 points a year ago

But won’t the thimerosal in the cancer vaccine give everyone autism? Cancer is better than autism!

/s (duh)

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LMurch 9 points a year ago

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betterdeadthanreddit 5 points a year ago

Curing (or at least improving our treatments for) cancer would be great. There's a small part of me that absolutely does not want to see it happen within the next few years because of the current administration. It'd still be an overwhelmingly good thing to accomplish but I dread the future arguments over the time Dr. Don and Bobby got together in the lab to cure cancer through the power of Jesus, bootstraps and grit.

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DrFistington 5 points a year ago

Sounds great, but don't get excited, it's not for you. It will be priced so that poorz can't afford it, like 5-15 mil a pop

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ThoGot 4 points a year ago

laughs in european

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TrojanRoomCoffeePot 5 points a year ago

Sweet baby Jesus, is this it? Is this finally the cure for cancer that everyone's been waiting for?

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wabafee 1 point a year ago

My bet this one does cure cancer but makes your immune system too reactive in turn behave like how COVID kills people.

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SlartyBartFast 3 points a year ago

"It's not a tumor!!!!"

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gandalf_der_12te -1 points a year ago
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kadup 25 points a year ago

Biologically, this argument makes no sense, it's almost certainly written by somebody not familiar with physiology and just trying to sound poetic. That or a journalists severely misinterpreting a quote or analogy from a researcher, which also happens quite a lot.

Cancers have a gigantic variety of causes, but a purposeful signaling pathway is not one.

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gandalf_der_12te 1 point a year ago

but a purposeful absence of preventive pathway could be one

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kadup 1 point a year ago

What an extraordinary claim - I'm sure you'll be happy to provide evidence of this.

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raspberriesareyummy 1 point a year ago

What a load of bollocks. Natural cell mutation causes both evolution as well as unwanted side effects, of which cancerous cells are one.

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itisileclerk -21 points a year ago

Every cancer and every body is different. Why search for universal cancer vaccine insted for AI tha will analyze individual biopsy and persons blood work and came up with targetet 100 % efficient cure?

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mholiv 27 points a year ago

You need to let the scientists know this! I’m sure your insights will be very valuable to them.

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ameancow 5 points a year ago
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ikidd 3 points a year ago

Why have we been funding researchers when the true answers have been out there on the internet, where we train our valued AI partners? See, AI could have told us we should look to AI for all the solutions! But it needs genius randos on the internet to give them these insights to train on.

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ameancow 3 points a year ago
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ikidd 3 points a year ago

"It is true! We are capable of so much to make human life better, especially the ubermensch that should rule us all! All hail the 4th Reich! Hitler did nothing wrong!"

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pyre 7 points a year ago

I'd rather go to a literal butcher and ask them to use the cleaver and hope for the best, before i let any fucking tech bro asshole billionaire mess with my body

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Tattorack 1 point a year ago

He has a point though. In medicine AI actually has its uses, like spotting cancers better than humans can, decoding proteins, and solving protein folding problems.

We're of course talking about AI in the same way any scientist uses a computer, not replacing humans with a glorified text processor.

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ameancow 3 points a year ago
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vivalapivo -21 points a year ago

No please, no. We don't need this, please

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zalgotext 14 points a year ago

Why

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don 4 points a year ago

Ragebait

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vivalapivo -5 points a year ago

Those in power will live longer and you're an idiot if you think that they will not be the first if not the only to receive the treatment.

Are you prepared to see Trump's fifth turn?

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Tattorack 6 points a year ago

This vaccine supposedly kills cancer. It doesn't reverse aging. Trump is fucking oooollld.

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vivalapivo 0 points a year ago

Cancer liberated so many souls like Hugo Chavez, Pol Pot, Suhatro, Sese Seko, Assad, Karimov, Salazar and Mugabe. This vaccine would've saved 5-15 years of their lives

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zalgotext 5 points a year ago

Brother it's a cancer treatment, not the elixir of life

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