And nothing of value was lost

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saigot 170 points a year ago

there was an old redditism that the best way to get off with murder is to use your car and call it an accident... I wonder if this is that. Get plastered, kill a nazi, go to jail for 5 years instead of 20.

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Zagorath 99 points a year ago

there was an old redditism that the best way to get off with murder is to use your car

Not a redditism. An urbinist-ism. Reddit had a healthy contingent of urbanists, but you'll find us here on Lemmy too, over at !fuckcars@lemmy.world, or !urbanism@slrpnk.net. (Or, frankly, because it's a movement with significant overlap to anticapitalism, just all around the threadiverse.)

And it's completely true, too. I can easily think of half a dozen cases where someone killed someone else with a car and got away scott-free in my country alone (in fact: with just one exception, the ones that come to my mind are all in my city alone). And only one of those cases even went to court as far as I know.

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dylanmorgan 34 points a year ago

Dan Sheehan (of “NOT A WOLF”) wrote a piece about how easy it is to get away with vehicular murder on his blog: https://www.reallyveryhuman.com/...

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fartographer 31 points a year ago

I have a cousin who once said that he's gotten more tickets on a bike in Manhattan than anytime he's driven through the city. He then followed that with, "in fact, I'm pretty sure that as long as you don't hit anything that pays or collects taxes, the police will tell you to go away because you're interrupting the flow of traffic."

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socsa 7 points a year ago

How tf do you get a ticket on a bike? Just hop on the sidewalk and down an alley or two and nobody's going to catch you.

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koper 4 points a year ago

Sadly this article is paywalled

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Truscape 7 points a year ago

Go go gadget archive.ph !

(Paste the link there)

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tourist 1 point a year ago

The prosecutor is gonna bust the fattest nut of his life during discovery if he reads the defendant's credit card statements

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BurgerBaron 5 points a year ago

In Canada you'd be unlucky to even get jail time at all, it's fucked. We're kinda infamous for this.

One I remember was a driver going 120 km/hr in a 60 zone, ran over some girl guides, and kills an 8 year old.

2 years of house arrest.

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Rinox 3 points a year ago

In Italy there's been a big push against this in the last decade.

There's now a law called "road murder" (omicidio stradale) which makes the penalties for killing someone while driving, especially if intoxicated, more similar to intentional murder (rather than manslaughter). It's essentially aggravated manslaughter, when you cause the death of someone while driving recklessly.

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Zagorath 1 point a year ago

That's brilliant.

Honestly I'd push for a change in law such that a crash between a car and a more vulnerable road user is legally presumed to be the car's fault unless evidence is provided to the contrary. The big problem we've had far too many times where I live, and in many other parts of the world, is that because you can't prove the driver was riding negligently (or more to the point: because you can't convince a car-brained jury pool or judge panel to find that they were negligent), far too often they get off scott-free.

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Rinox 2 points a year ago

Generally speaking, here it's often presumed that it's the car's fault, or at least that's how I feel it's perceived.

Still, negligent driving includes DUI, driving while on the phone, driving too fast, driving in the opposite lane, not stopping to a red light or yield, illegal passing of another car and failing to stop after the incident occurred.

Moreover, the law now specifies that DUI is a criminal offense even when no incident occurred and blood level of alcohol is above 0.8 g/l, with possible jail time from 6 months to a year.

It's become quite strict. Although I'm not sure how much it will actually affect the number of incidents, I'm not always very pro to "just increase the penalties" kind of laws. We need a more comprehensive plan to reduce the likelihood of incidents as much as possible, especially deadly incidents.

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outhouseperilous 19 points a year ago

Genuinely true! Killing with cars is a misdemeanor.

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cattywampas 7 points a year ago

This depends on the state and depends wildly on the circumstances. Driving in a reckless manner, e.g. while intoxicated, and killing someone is probably a felony everywhere.

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outhouseperilous 4 points a year ago

In theory, sure.

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madthumbs 19 points a year ago

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TexasDrunk 12 points a year ago

I mean, how long did it take the cops to get there? Because .42 is crazy fucking high. It can absolutely kill you it's so high. She would have had to have more than 10 drinks in an hour for that. That's about two thirds of a fifth between the time it was called in and when the cops got there.

I'm not saying it's not doable. I'm saying if she did that she was trying to die.

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vaultdweller013 10 points a year ago

Now I'm wondering if she didn't just kill the dude and then chug one of those big Kirkland vodka bottles.

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bus_factor 6 points a year ago

People have been caught with those levels before. You need to be an expert tier alcoholic to pull it off, though.

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WillFord27 6 points a year ago

She lists on her WriteAPrisoner page that her biggest inspiration is Maya Angelou, a black civil rights activist. She also has her bachelor's in journalism. Not impossible lol.

Unfortunately her earliest release date is midway through 2033, 15 years after incarceration in 2018.

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LePoisson 3 points a year ago

She's going to prison for at least another 15 years before she's eligible for parole.

But I hear you in the car accident bullshit

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Booboofinget 2 points a year ago

I'd buy her a drink!

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JeSuisUnHombre 108 points a year ago

controversial opinion

These nazi racist fuckheads are still human beings. As unfortunate as it may be and as implausible it might seem, any of us are capable of becoming or raising someone to become entrenched in a bad and hateful ideology. Dehumanizing them doesn't stop their ideas from spreading. In fact, a big part of their ideology is the dehumanization of different groups of people. So please don't encourage that practice.

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PalmTreeIsBestTree 60 points a year ago

There is only so much empathy you can lend out to a fascist black hole before it sucks you into its hateful gravitational pool. Purity tests like what you are proposing just makes them stronger.

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JeSuisUnHombre 26 points a year ago

I'm not saying you have to treat them with kindness. I am saying you have to reckon with the fact that they are still human. Or you will be doomed to follow the same path.

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PalmTreeIsBestTree 26 points a year ago

I recognize what happened to them was wrong and shouldn’t have happened, but I am glad it wasn’t a person of better moral character to be the victim.

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Soulg 11 points a year ago

This is a much better and well reasoned take than the one in the OP image.

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tane -10 points a year ago

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AlexLost 9 points a year ago

Is empathy only a human trait? Doubtful. Animals have been known to show empathy as well. Humans aren't all that special, we've just learned to fuck over everything else on the planet.

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the_crotch 6 points a year ago

You sound an awful lot like a Nazi right now.

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sartalon 13 points a year ago

Wouldn't the fascists even argue that empathy is toxic?

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PalmTreeIsBestTree 7 points a year ago

They do, but they also perform double speak to counter their hypocrisy. They’re rather famous for doing it.

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Nangijala 40 points a year ago

It's literally the one message every old European used to preach to us younger generations back in the day. I remember how important it was to them to make us understand that the minute we start dehumanizing people we don't like, we are repeating the cycle.

It is why movies like Der Untergang exists. We have to understand that the most despicable people who ever lived were still human beings and much closer to ourselves than we like to think.

I have carried with me, my whole life the knowledge that I am fallible and I am capable of evil no matter how good of a person I think I am. To a lesser extent, every time I have thought I was too clever to fall for x, y and z, that's when I have fallen right into it. "I would never end up in an abusive relationship. I have too much self respect for that" 🤡 "I'm far too strong to become the doormat in this and that friendship" 🤡 "I'll never fall for fake information online. I'm too observant" 🤡

I could never trust myself to believe I would be too smart, kind or principled to not fall into a destructive and abusive pattern of behavior if the circumstances are twisted just right. I think more people would benefit if they reminded themselves of their imperfections and got off their high horses. On Lemmy alone I have encountered far too many holier than thou types who are super duper anti fascist but ironically act exactly like fascists, but to them it doesn't count because they are "on the right side of history".

Am I sad that some nazi KKK guy died? No. But he was human. Most likely a very terrible human, but still human.

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prole 12 points a year ago

The problem is that fascists know that normal people are empathetic in this way, and they use it against us. It makes it nearly impossible to stop them (without violence).

At some point you're just bowing down to murderous psychopaths who literally want you dead.

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Fredthefishlord 10 points a year ago

Acknowledging and understanding they are human DOES NOT mean cowing down or bowing down to them. It means understanding that they're human.

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prole 6 points a year ago

Not explicitly. But, in my experience, that is usually the implication when people say that.

These are Nazis. If you aren't fighting them, then you're allowing them to spread their hate.

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acockworkorange 3 points a year ago

If someone this to kill you, you try to kill 'em right back!

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Nangijala 0 points a year ago

So we should just give up and become them, is what you're saying. That works well for two minutes and then you replace the problem with a new one. Russia is a good example of that, lol.

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prole 5 points a year ago

So we should just give up and become them, is what you’re saying.

If that was your takeaway, either you need to re-read my comment, or I do because that's not at all what I meant to say.

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needthosepylons 12 points a year ago

I do agree with almost everything you wrote, but I don't understand the moral consequence. One do not have to think they're too smart or too pure to take some kind of solace from the fact that there's one less fascist walking the earth.

To me, that has nothing to do with being "better" as a human. It's just that their project means my/our death. The more they grow, the more we die and vice versa. I do not dehumanize them nor do I think they're stupid or deserve anything.

It's as simple as : the more they grow, the more anything I care for will wither away.

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HasturInYellow 10 points a year ago

You're right, but it makes people uncomfortable so they don't want to agree with you.

This isn't like the economy. It IS a zero sum game. If they succeed, we lose. If they thrive in life, we lose. If they continue to live at all, we lose.

They can CHOOSE to come back to humanity, unlike their victims, but I won't give them any consideration as having value until they do.

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Nangijala 3 points a year ago

All that was said was that they are still human. Even if we dislike them. That is all. I find it interesting how defensive people are being about acknowledging that a terrible person is still a person.

If we stop acknowledging a bad person as a being a person, we have become what we hate. Its got nothing to do with caring or not caring about a kkk member dying. All we have reacted to was the claim that the guy wasn't a human. That is the dangerous part.

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needthosepylons 4 points a year ago

ICYMI, I didn't want to sound defensive. I mean it's an interesting conservation, and I found it intriguing that I agree wholeheartedly with what you wrote yet arrive at a slightly different conclusion. People don't always look to pick fights, sometimes, it's just about discussion.

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postmateDumbass 5 points a year ago

So give her partial credit on the community service part of the sentence?

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Nangijala 0 points a year ago

The only one talking about community service is you, I fear. Can't give credit for anything that wasn't said.

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DoucheBagMcSwag 24 points a year ago

Not going to downvote but no I sharply disagree.

Nazi lives don't matter. The paradox of tolerance goes both ways. Do not tolerate the intolerant.

Btw this story was in May 2018 and sadly is not from a recent event (Nazis regime is now in the white house)

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bramkaandorp 2 points a year ago

Nazi lives don't matter. The paradox of tolerance goes both ways. Do not tolerate the intolerant.

It's not even a paradox. Being tolerant means allowing things you disagree with, but only up to a point.

It is fallacy to think that if we are intolerant to intolerance, we then become intolerant, thus defeating our own tolerance.

A fallacy mostly promoted by right-wingers.

The problem I have is that, although we shouldn't tolerate Nazis, treating their deaths in car accidents as a non-event at best, or a national holiday at worst, does feel like moving toward the same dehumanising treatment that Nazis give to those they hate.

I don't like it.

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FriskyDingo 18 points a year ago

Genuinely curious your perspective: so what then?

How would you want to handle the growing fascism problem because I believe shaming, ridicule and cruelty are due with where we stand and with how bad things are and how much, much, worse they can get.

These are your enemies they have the entire govenment and a cult and they want to brutalize, make illegal and remove people (one way or the other).

What do you propose?

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JeSuisUnHombre 30 points a year ago

I believe I called them fuckheads so I don't seem to have a problem with ridicule. My point of contention is in the reply tweet of "no human being was harmed". I'm not trying to defend the thoughts or actions of these people, I'm just saying we have to recognize that they are people. I propose building a better world, proving those ideas wrong, and defending ourselves when necessary.

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leftthegroup -4 points a year ago

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Fredthefishlord 4 points a year ago

Yes, it does. Because when you don't acknowledge someone, you start pretending they shouldn't have any rights at all, and then you can fall victim, far more easily, when they scapegoat someone, or fall victim to that hatred being redirected to an invalid target

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JeSuisUnHombre 1 point a year ago

I'm not trying to defend them. I'm trying to point out that you're not defending yourself from that idea. In a world where all the nazis have been genocided, that is a world that accepts genocide as a reasonable solution. That world will commit another genocide and sooner than you might think. Especially when you consider that it didn't start with nazism. There were confederates before them and there are zionists after them. If you accept one genocide then any other just has to find the right justifications. Recognizing human susceptibility to that idea is the first step in protecting yourself from it. If we fail to do so, the cycle will never end.

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enbipanic 5 points a year ago

Shame, cruelty, and ridicule, but as humans. Let them own what they did.

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sweemoof 14 points a year ago

Two counterpoints to this (although I like the spirit):the paradox of intolerance suggests that intolerance will easily spread if we tolerate it. So in a world where tolerance is abundant: intolerance itself should still not be tolerated.

In a way I feel this may be saying the same thing again, but when we speak of protected classes and human rights we generally think of immutable qualities assigned at birth. That is, it’s not okay to discriminate based on things such as skin color, height, sound of voice, heritage, language, race, disability etc. and you get the idea.

Modern ideas stretch this a bit, as sexuality and gender identity have recently (as in within the last century, and only then within more educated cultures) entered as protected facets of human expression due to our understanding of them as involuntary. Even an individual’s personal religion is universally considered to not be up for debate, even though each of the world’s religions are composed of transient beliefs that an individual is allowed to change whether they are comfortable with it or not.

Any group’s ideas for societal idealism do not and should not get these types of protections, because ideas obviously should change if a better idea is presented. It should be agreed upon that whatever utopia is (for however close the human race can get to it), it would need to be universally agreed upon by all living individuals as well as all possible human group permutations. This is seemingly insurmountably large, so some of us tried to take shortcuts by eliminating other groups, and to make a long story short you could say the world universally condemned these ideas as one of the first “global” acts.

The point is, if somebody has:

Willingly violated the social contract in defiance of available historical context and public information, and
Elected to voluntarily hold that an aforementioned Protected Class of people should be either eliminated or exiled (in service to making their version of utopia easier to achieve), then

Then this somebody has found themselves to be a member of the one group of people (a group founded on voluntary belief) that society at large would be better to either eliminate or exile.

Obviously debate is preferred but one cannot reason with somebody who believes deep down in another group’s inferiority.

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foo 10 points a year ago

I agree with all you wrote, and it's a good point well made. However, in the context of what it's replying to, it could be interpreted as condoning the death penalty for extremists, which I disagree with, if it was intended that way.

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sweemoof 3 points a year ago

I see what you mean, in my case I believe that the only viable options are debate then expulsion in extreme cases.

I know I was being somewhat brash when I wrote this (middle of the night where I am) and would likely omit the “or eliminate” part if I written again. I know that was a popular option durning the Nuremberg trials for some of the worst orchestrators but I’m always of the “We have to be better/there has to be a better way” mindset.

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breecher 1 point a year ago

Death penalty, but more likely death in combat while trying to oust them from society. Like was done in WWII. These fuckers aren't going anywhere voluntarily, it will take violence to remove them from society.

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JeSuisUnHombre 5 points a year ago

My point is less about what rights they might deserve, and more about staying informed and vigilant of the ideological capacities of human beings, including yourself.

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laserm 6 points a year ago

This. Dehumanizing people, even the scum of the world, is not good or justified.

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TriflingToad 6 points a year ago

I would ask you, is it OK to fight Nazis in a war? If you say yes, then what's the difference?

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Nangijala 8 points a year ago

The point isn't whether or not it is okay to fight nazis. The commenter only states that the guy who died is still a human even if we don't like him.

That is a fact. If we start dehumanizing people we don't like, we open ourselves up to becoming monsters no matter how justified we feel we are.

I struggle with this myself. I have a deep-seated disgust toward narcissists and emotionally, I do not consider them human beings. Rationally, I know that they are and that if I continue to refuse to accept that they are one of the countless aspects of humanity, I open myself up to my own narcissistic aspects, where I see an entire subsection of humanity as lesser than me, as pests instead of human beings with a severe personality disorder that most likely came from repeated childhood neglect and abuse.

It is okay to feel strong negative emotions toward people we don't like, but we cannot allow ourselves to dehumanizing them because that is how we become monsters ourselves.

Empathy is hard because it isn't always the easiest or most comfortable path. It can feel downright injust at times, but that is all emotions talking. The more we think about it, truly reflect on it, the more we will understand that choosing empathy over emotional outbursts, will serve us and society far better in the long run. But it is fucking difficult.

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postmateDumbass 2 points a year ago

You make good, valid points.

But there are people that will continually take from or harm you and ask for empathy afterwards.

Your philosophy needs to deal with those situations as well.

Never harming back has negative consequences for your self.

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HasturInYellow -1 points a year ago

Choices where you harm or oppress others for your own benefit means losing your humanity.

I will not be strong armed into giving moral weight to people whose entire existence revolves around subjugating and hurting people.

Just because someone is biologically human, does not mean they deserve any consideration from me. Context is king, and if you're a shit person, you can die. I'm so done with pussy fitting around these fuckwads and letting them own everything just because we don't want to be mean to them.

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Nangijala 3 points a year ago

You are missing the point. It's not about being mean or not mean. It is about acknowledging that bad people are still people. Doesn't change the fact that they suck and deserve punishment for the crimes they commit. But pretending like they aren't human is how you become like them. That is all.

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Fredthefishlord 4 points a year ago

Are you incapable of fighting someone you consider human?

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TriflingToad 5 points a year ago

I consider Nazis human, and id 100% get in a fight with them.

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JeSuisUnHombre 3 points a year ago

Same

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GreenKnight23 4 points a year ago

one of the primary protections of the constitution is that nobody can infringe upon your constitutional rights. if they do, they lose some of the protections given to them through the constitution.

I think it's fair that if some racist fuckhole wants to kill people based on their color or gender identity, it's only fair that we celebrate when they die. obviously death is not the goal, however a celebration that the hate they injected into the world is now slightly weaker over all is.

my point is, if you lead a life of an asshole you will be remembered as an asshole.

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the_crotch -1 points a year ago

You can celebrate their deaths all you want. But when you start dehumanizing them you're taking notes from their playbook. Be better than them.

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GreenKnight23 5 points a year ago

Be better than them.

I am already better than them. I don't advocate for needless violence or aggression against people who have shown me neither.

However, I advocate for the use of deadly force against anyone who attempts to circumvent my rights and freedoms in an attempt to oppress or imprison me unjustly.

I won't forget they are human. If I would, that would make it much more difficult to explain why they had to die. An animal kills for survival. A beast kills for sport. A human kills for principle.

It's not about the death or act of killing, it's about sending a message. "I am here, and I refuse to submit to your unjust will."

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callouscomic 1 point a year ago

Ummmm.

No?

Fuck nazis and kkk and southern pride and confederate apologists and white supremacists and bigots of all kinds.

Like get fucked. Straight up well known nazis can fucking die. They are worthless. They make a choice to continue being that way. They can do irreparable harm.

Like, fucking no. Just no. You're pathetic.

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JeSuisUnHombre 12 points a year ago

The ability to strip away the title of "human being" is exactly what they are arguing for. You just have different criteria.

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blah3166 9 points a year ago

if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance; thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

The world would be better off if everyone with racist views disappeared today. Let's not defend those who would not hesitate to oppress us.

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MotoAsh 8 points a year ago

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Bubbey 4 points a year ago

this is as stupid of a take as saying, “violence is bad!” towards someone bloodied and bruised who just defended themselves from an attack.

Self defense is different than drunkenly flattening a pedestrian lmao

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JeSuisUnHombre 2 points a year ago

Jumping back here to say that

we need to ALWAYS remember the sheer depravity other human beings are capable of.

Is the only thing I'm saying

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JeSuisUnHombre 1 point a year ago

You're arguing against things I did not say nor imply. I have made no argument here against self defense nor for civility.

I am abiding the paradox of tolerance by not tolerating dehumanizing rhetoric. Because I believe that rhetoric enables fascism.

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porous_grey_matter 5 points a year ago

What those criteria are matters

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Soulg -1 points a year ago

And they're all bad.

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Neverclear 3 points a year ago

You are right. If we exclude any population from rehabilitation, we exclude ourselves.

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HasturInYellow 4 points a year ago

Until they are rehabilitated though, I will treat them as maggots. Being human does not automatically grant you untouchability for your actions. It doesn't absolve you of your sins. It does not mean anyone around you must tolerate your continued existence.

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Fredthefishlord 2 points a year ago

Why do you think considering someone human is mutually exclusive with wishing death upon them/thinking it's fine for them to die.

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callouscomic 1 point a year ago

Persecution fetish exists regardless how you treat them. Some just WANT to feel persecuted to feel like they have some kind of casus belli.

Also, you either experience and/or witness enough bigotry that you reach a point of being fucking done with the hateful spiteful pieces of shit. Apparently you're too privileged to have to care.

But let me try to make this clear again. I grew up in it. I saw it. I know and love people today who go through it. There are those who think it's just okay to decide some groups of people don't warrant humanity and to even outwardly work to make those people's lives harder or straight up fucking oppress or harm them.

Fuck. Them. All. Everyone who has even an ounce of racist white supremacist Aryan whatever the fuck thoughts or actions. Fuck their flags. Fuck their views. Fuck their lives. Fuck everything about them. Scum of the earth. The vast majority will never change. Fuck em.

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Bane_Killgrind 1 point a year ago

Yes yes, we won't use this as an excuse to fix the broken clock

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YiddishMcSquidish 0 points a year ago

I disagree with the comment directly below you.

I like my mom way more than my dad, and I took on her political beliefs(which are objectively better).

But we are all creatures of our environment.

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dickalan -2 points a year ago

^reddit chud

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socsa 90 points a year ago

If this situation was reversed, MAGA would have raised $100k for her legal defense by now.

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whoisearth 29 points a year ago

She would have been pardoned by the President lol

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diffaldo 3 points a year ago

At least 500k

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Tattorack 77 points a year ago

Fascist Lives Don't Matter.

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YiddishMcSquidish 5 points a year ago

🤘

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BonesOfTheMoon 55 points a year ago

Her inmate photo is something else. Sadly she got like 15 years. Free my girl.

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icelimit 5 points a year ago

She seems happy about it? Also shouldn't her name be kept private? Are convicts details to be public knowledge?

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BonesOfTheMoon 6 points a year ago

It's in the article, it's public.

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burgerpocalyse 6 points a year ago

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samus12345 1 point a year ago

Florida Man

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dmehaffy 1 point a year ago

It is public information yes (though it does depend on the state).

For example in Nevada (not related to her, just the state I'm in): https://doc.nv.gov/inmates/home/

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DeathByBigSad 49 points a year ago

I'd say give her back her driver's licence, but its only valid in towns occupied by the kkk/neo-nazis

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Mediocre_Bard 46 points a year ago

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imetators 17 points a year ago

Your grandfather went to war to protect the world from a global enemy. Mr. Sherry got drunk and drove on the way killing a nazi. These two things are not even close to be the same. Lets just be happy a nazi died. No need to justify DUI.

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teamevil 2 points a year ago

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Mediocre_Bard 2 points a year ago

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imetators 2 points a year ago

You can't possibly expect everyone to know all the lines of all the shows, do you?

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Mediocre_Bard 1 point a year ago

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Gladaed 9 points a year ago

It does. When you did not discriminate but happen to do the "right" thing you are not to praise.

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Mediocre_Bard 2 points a year ago

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phoenixz 7 points a year ago

The difference is that your grandfather aimed at Nazis where as this bitch was just your average day red neck trash who doesn't give a shit about anyone but herself and doesn't give a shit of she kills a Nazi or a little child.

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Mediocre_Bard 2 points a year ago

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omega_x3 44 points a year ago

Task failed successfully

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cdf12345 33 points a year ago

Jury nullification?

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InputZero 58 points a year ago

On the vehicular manslaughter sure, on drunk driving charges, I should hope not. Sure this time a Nazi scumbag who deserves to die was killed, but next time it might be someone wholely innocent. Just because we hate the victim doesn't mean what she did wasn't reckless.

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LifeInMultipleChoice 19 points a year ago

If we are taking it seriously, that lady is lucky to be alive let alone able to open a car door at a BAC of .42. Secondly if she was at a .42 and looked that well put together when they let her out of the drunk tank the next morning it's just not fair.

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vaionko 3 points a year ago

You can get amazing amounts of alcohol in your blood and still function, you just gotta do it slowly.

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psud 5 points a year ago

The politics of the victim probably couldn't be mentioned during the trial. They often suppress that sort of stuff

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sommerset 5 points a year ago

When did that work last?

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ToadOfHypnosis 29 points a year ago

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teamevil 1 point a year ago

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ToadOfHypnosis 1 point a year ago

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ToadOfHypnosis 1 point a year ago

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Skullgrid 20 points a year ago

can you imagine trying to repent and make amends for this one, and every loved one of that asshole is just as bad as they are.

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ceenote 11 points a year ago

The emotional strain might drive one to drink again...

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ShinkanTrain 7 points a year ago

Forgive me God and Parole Officer, there's something I must do.

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garbagebagel 1 point a year ago

The good thing about forgiveness is that it doesn't have to be actually granted in order for the person to see the errors in their way and meaningfully repent. Works the other way too, you don't have to forgive anyone for anything ever (though that can arguably be harmful to yourself).

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dan1101 19 points a year ago

We are in an administration that lives by "the ends justify the means", so I'll allow it this once.

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TheBat 19 points a year ago

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YiddishMcSquidish 7 points a year ago

I can't, but I want more of her.

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_AutumnMoon_ 13 points a year ago

some people do their best work when drunk

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potato_wallrus 13 points a year ago

Based booze cruiser fights fascism

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phoenixz 12 points a year ago

Yeah, I get the hurr durr, but this bitch is just your average day red neck trash who doesn't give a shit about anyone but herself and doesn't give a shit of she kills a Nazi or a little child.

Fuck this bitch, let her rot in jail. Just bect she got lucky doesn't make any of this better

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Woht24 1 point a year ago

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Shapillon 2 points a year ago

Ammo for the people acclaiming cars ramming into crowds of peaceful protestors?

Oh no! anyways...

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teamevil 11 points a year ago

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buttnugget 3 points a year ago

Better late than never.

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Gladaed 7 points a year ago

How many Promille is that?

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MohamedMoney -5 points a year ago

0,84

…

Sooo not really shitfaced

Edit: I stand corrected, shouldn’t have trusted google with the answer. She was quite shitfaced

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too_high_for_this 18 points a year ago

What? .42% BAC = 4.2% promille, over five times the legal limit and potentially fatal.

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BeardedGingerWonder 0 points a year ago

100% if you're a nazi apparently.

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jmill 17 points a year ago

Your conversion took a wrong turn somewhere. BAC is just percentage, promille is parts per thousand. So to convert, multiply by ten. Making it 4,2 promille. Really shitfaced. Very potentially life threatening even if you are not driving.

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Blackmist 7 points a year ago

To tell the truth I backed over the last two with my car.

Fortunately they turned out to be Nazis.

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ivanafterall 4 points a year ago

I'm really hoping the people I plan to hit in the future also turn out to be Nazis.

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DickFiasco 1 point a year ago

Now that's a line I haven't heard since about 1991.

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SpiceDealer 6 points a year ago

John Brown would be so proud!

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chemicalprophet 6 points a year ago

See what my Christian God did for you?

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LillyPip 5 points a year ago

Sounds like a property crime.

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Tiger_Man_ 5 points a year ago

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muusemuuse 5 points a year ago

Let them eat eachother.

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HulkSmashBurgers 4 points a year ago

He did nazi her coming.

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BonesOfTheMoon 2 points a year ago

http://www.kentucky.com/latest-news/article212807354.html#amp_tf=From+%251%24s&aoh=17539183945312&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com

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ArchmageAzor 2 points a year ago

Mike! Post the .gif!

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AlphaOmega 2 points a year ago

I'm glad to see cannibalistic humanoid underground dwellers is making a comeback

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thatradomguy 2 points a year ago

Reminds me of my high school crush ngl.

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arin 2 points a year ago

I approve of her driving skills

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polysexualstick 1 point a year ago

Yeah no, saying fascists aren't human beings isn't "funny" or "quirky". Is fascists dying a beautiful thing? Sure. But they're still humans.

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madthumbs -95 points a year ago

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vladmech 72 points a year ago

https://www.splcenter.org/...
You really picked the wrong guy to draw the line in the sand for. Dude was a regional coordinator for a neo-Nazi organization…

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jballs 14 points a year ago

I wonder if this is the reason why Elon went around Nazi saluting. Republicans have mastered the art of confusing the general public by overusing words and phrases.

"Fake news" used to mean something entirely different before Trump co-opted it to mean any news that he didn't like.

After Trump was impeached twice, Republicans started throwing around impeachment not only for Biden, but for lower level officials as well, so people would think "oh impeachment must be a normal thing."

It's kind of telling that Republicans are doing intentional Nazi-like shit, therefore getting the general public, like the person you responded to, to think that "Nazi" is just a term the left throws around recklessly.

We're at a point where they're throwing people in camps like Alligator Auschwitz without trial - and then people say "that's what the Nazis used to do" and then it just gets laughed off like "oh you know the left, always accusing everyone of being Nazis."

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synae 61 points a year ago

I've never been called a nazi because I don't go around saying or doing nazi things, like apologizing for nazis

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saltesc 4 points a year ago

I once got called a Nazi and a Communist at the same time.

It was in response to a remark about social healthcare systems, which I can't deny both Marx and the Nazis' NSV were all for that. But one could note some slight differences in opinion on how to go about it, plus a few other little things here and there.

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MotoAsh 3 points a year ago

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madthumbs -1 points a year ago

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tjsauce 38 points a year ago

If they're not from 1930s Germany, they are just a sparkling fascist. /s

If it walks like a duck...

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HikingVet 32 points a year ago

When you see a white dude with a swastika you don't think hindu.

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FordBeeblebrox 11 points a year ago

As a lifelong 49ers fan I have a little extra hate for all the white maga chuds in their red hats.

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madthumbs -1 points a year ago

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HikingVet -1 points a year ago

Is that an admission?

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SkyezOpen 21 points a year ago

Double down on this, please it'll be so funny.

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ShellMonkey 7 points a year ago

Long running troll, posts a bunch of hyper-capitalist, winner take all, libertarian bullshit. I'd almost call it a bit.

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Quadhammer 13 points a year ago

I've had a friend i used to respect vocally declare himself a "nazi" and a "racist" months ago. He knew how much I despise nazis

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supernicepojo 10 points a year ago

Facts dont care about your feelings. Congrats on being todays PoS; you make your mother proud, not.

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WorldsDumbestMan 9 points a year ago

Welp, sorry. This guy is objectively a Nazi. And it seems the wheel of fate is turning against you guys, once more.

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jaggedrobotpubes 8 points a year ago

Not everyone, just a ton of people who are literal actual nazis.

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deputytrollslayer 1 point a year ago

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DoucheBagMcSwag 0 points a year ago

"with Jews we lose"

I mean if it walks like a fuck, talks like a fuck, Siegs fucking Heil to Hitler like a duck. It's a fucking Nazi

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madthumbs -1 points a year ago

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