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a year ago by miss_demeanour to c/whitepeopletwitter
Transgender ideology? Did they write UWU on the bullet?
Linux kernel source code was engraved in the bullet
a bullet but with cat ears and a choker
30.06, roughly the same size, mainly a difference in case size, with the 30.06 being a little longer with room for more powder. Either way there'd be plenty of room for an UWU or three on the bullet, and the case of the 30.06 could fit at least 6 UWUs
No it was “Notices bulges OWO what’s this?”. Other messages were: “Hey fascist! Catch!” Up arrow symbol, right arrow, three down arrow symbols (Helldivers 2 code for Eagle 500kg Bomb) and “If you read this, you are gay lmao” and “Oh bella ciao bella ciao bella ciao ciao ciao”.
Yeah what the fuck. Just like Luigi's alleged engravings. It doesnt make any sense beyond an emotional response. Why take the time to engrave something no one will see? Its going faster than the speed of sound.
So this line of reasoning is a trap. People do dumb ass shit all the time for emotional reasons, including criminals. In fact, people doing dumb ass shit is so reliable that police investigative procedures are almost designed around it.
Except our shooter here was clearly trained. Possibly a veteran. Or maybe it really was a false flag. They would know what engravings would do on the casings that get left behind.
I'm not saying this is the case, but it is very possible that if this person purchased the rifle legally, they believe that the purchase will be traceable back to them and that they will almost certainly be caught. So they could have acted with the mindset that they would be throwing away their own life.
easier to track
Sounds like a feature, not a bug. What better way to stage a false flag operation?
The cartridge casing exists to form a seal against the breach end of the barrel. It doesn’t go anywhere. It just expands slightly from the high pressure gases inside, preventing those gases from escaping out the back, propelling the bullet forward with as much pressure as possible.
There is no tracking danger from engravings, other than establishing a message, and then seeing if future suspect might agree with the message.
In this case, it's more likely that a fascist loving employee of fascism may want to project more ammunition for fascism.
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Bruh. Too soon, man.
John Wilkes Booth?
The rifle is bolt action. The spent casing was still chambered.
I do find it interesting that DOJ lawyers have been seeking the death penalty for Mangione, and linchpin of their case is that he inspired other shooters – something that until recently was openly laughable.
Adding that the story of the supposed writing on the bullets is based on a memo that circulated at the FBI and it’s unknown if that memo was based on accurate information or just the figment of someone’s imagination to create a narrative that people will now just accept as fact.
Satanic Panic is back
"transgender ideology" is not a thing. That's the type of shit transphobes pull out of their ass when they're trying to attack trans folks
I think transgender ideology is "we're human".
It's fucking wild that the Right can be opposed to human rights and anti-fascism and millions of people are somehow still gaslit in believing they're the good guys.
It's this exact point for me. "Antifascist" is being taken at face value and simultaneously being tarred as antisocial rhetoric. What the actual fuck has gone on? If the belief that "antifascist" is a cover or a dogwhistle, then shouldn't you attempt to separate their political orientation away from those words? "They aren't antifascist. They are political dissidents claiming all of their political enemies are 'fascists'."
Instead, we have: "No, they ARE antifascists and they are our enemies!" Why did we let them stigmatize the word "antifascist"?
Because the next step is to get people to see Fascism as a positive, much like Kirk wanted us to see Empathy as a negative
...I kinda hope that's exactly what was engraved.
In related news, doctors were amazed they kept pulling books and scrolls from the body, placed there by the bullets.
“It’s amazing” said the orange as quoted by the wsj, “apparently books like this can kill. I’m sure he could have survived the wound without the additional poisoning.”
In response to this, reaction forces were posed to raid the libraries of all elementary schools within the washington dc area
seems like this wasnt even an accurate report
but WSJ ran with it.
Can you believe, once upon a tine long long ago The Wall Street Journal actually had integrity in journalism.
Now it's a billionaire's plaything.
Honestly, been alive for forty plus years now and no, they've never had integrity in journalism.
Early Bulletin Said Ammunition in Kirk Shooting Engraved With Transgender, Antifascist Ideology; Some Sources Urge Caution
It sounds like a bulletin was indeed circulated, and it sounds like the WSJ is being pretty candid about the law enforcement response:
Law-Enforcement Officials Sow Confusion on Manhunt for Kirk Shooter / Contradictory public statements risk undermining confidence in investigation, law enforcement veterans say
The WSJ is not going to have first hand access to the evidence, so they have to report (transparently!) what they're told by credible sources. In this case, it sounds like law enforcement --- supposed to be credible --- is not. It's a pretty tricky thing to report on.
Wall Street Murdoch not wrong! Clicks go up!
Not seeing other outlets report this. So yeah I'm skeptical.
The trashier ones reported on it, but then they're not on the front page anymore.
Early Bulletin Said Ammunition in Kirk Shooting Engraved With Transgender, Antifascist Ideology; Some Sources Urge Caution
It sounds like a bulletin was indeed circulated, and it sounds like the WSJ is being pretty candid about the law enforcement response:
Law-Enforcement Officials Sow Confusion on Manhunt for Kirk Shooter / Contradictory public statements risk undermining confidence in investigation, law enforcement veterans say
So basically the federal agencies cannot be trusted here and have clearly shown their political partisanship and they got what they wanted in circulating their official false narrative to provoke political violence on the right against the lbgtq community and whatever the fuck they call the left.
Because that's literally what they did, every right wing advocate for political violence has been clamoring about this non fucking stop and the government here has no shame about it.
2A up people, it's going to get bad.
transgender and antifascist ideology
transgender ... ideology
[Squidward voice, but angrier] NO, PATRICK, TRANSGENDER IS NOT AN IDEOLOGY... PREGNANT IS NOT AN IDEOLOGY EITHER.
Total BS. Engraving on a small, curved surface, legibly is hard as hell. Then that bullet is going to get grooved in a rifled barrel, and most likely deform or fragment on impact.
We should probably be talking about how Trump used a fucking AI video to address Charlie Kirk's death. There's a good chance Trump is doing this as a false flag
False flag is exactly what this is.
I’d be shocked if this wasn’t a decision directly from Trump and his magat minions they follow him around to distract from Epstein and further slide America in the hell hole of fascism that it’s facing.
Hurry up Americans. You won’t have an America soon at this rate.
Line item number 2.
No way in fuck they purposely had Kirk assassinated.
- His job as a propagandist / hate spreader is way too important and influential to stop
- they could’ve martyred a similarly famous, but less influential, republican and gotten the same response
- they’re going to go forward with their plan- they don’t need an excuse
- this happened in a red state, why wouldn’t they pick a blue state?
- I really don’t think Epstein files matter that much for republicans. A video could come out of Trump raping a child and it would be chalked up to ai and they wouldn’t believe it
- the news cycle is so short- this won’t remain a hot topic for a long amount of time
It’s a convenient distraction, sure, but it’s been proven time and time again that they don’t need distractions to carry out policy. If there’s any conspiracy to be had, it would be surrounding the (relatively) unanimous rhetoric that his death was a tragedy. When kids die in Gaza everyday, a regular citizen is shot, or someone kills themselves because of financial strain we don’t debate the morals of their unjust death. However when a famous white man is killed he isn’t just a statistic but an example of how awful people can be.
I think Kirk was a major reason for an uptick in republican youth voters because he was so famous on social media. I’ve noticed young men my age, who vote democrat, like a reel featuring Charlie Kirk because he “owned a silly lib” in an amusing way. His job was touring college campuses- upon invitation from college students- to spread hate and try to convince young people that their politics and identity were wrong.
I would compare him to Andrew Tate because they spread a relatively similar sermon of hate and individualism, but Tate isn’t a political activist. He doesn’t bring people to the polls like a Charlie Kirk can. Another comparison would be Trump, but Trump can never relate to the youth because he’s still just an old man.
I agree he’ll get replaced and this won’t really slow down the machine, but the man had quite the impact on young people.
Yeah, agree. They could have offed Laura Loomer for a tenth of the price and worked just as much viral juice out of it.
Besides, i really don’t care, do u?
You’re giving Israel the type of credit they want bruh. They are not running a world control conspiracy 😭 They don’t have power over the USA, the USA wants a colonial presence in the Middle East and supporting Israel is the easiest way to do it. Yes Mossad gets up to fucked up stuff, but they are not about to murder famous American political figures and face the repercussions.
What does Netanyahu tweeting even mean as well. He’s not giving you a hint into some grand conspiracy that would require countless lies and people involved. That line of thinking is the same bs that the alt right falls for
Yeah Crowder would've been the sacrificial pawn. Like, clearly there's some gender stuff going on over there (and therefore risk of defection), very small propaganda power to star power ratio, and generally seems disliked by his colleagues.
Sorta like how if they were going to kill one of their senators it would be Cruz or Graham.
They're almost certainly saying bullet but meaning casing. But yes I have to say that it's pretty unlikely.
No good marksman is carving anything on a bullet or casing. You want it to work. Carving the bullet means changing the ballistics, carving the casing means potentially making the round not chamber or having a misfire from a busted casing.
It's most likely a bolt action rifle, there's nothing to chamber here...
I think I know what you're driving at, but first let me address what you actually said real quick. A bolt action rifle does absolutely have a chamber, the chamber is the rearmost part of the barrel where the round sits and is held in place before firing. Its fitted to the specific round that the gun is designed to use to create a gas seal to ensure the projectile can be propelled down the barrel.
What I believe you were driving at is that, due to the chambering mechanism on a bolt action rifle being manually operated, as opposed to relying on the recoil action/gas discharge of the firearm to drive the bolt back and a spring to drive it forward, means that it less likely to jam or fail to seat. This is true, for a variety of reasons, but a bolt action rifle can jam, especially if you go futzing around with the casing or the projectile. You're less likely to see a stovepipe, I've only seen it when the case managed to fall back into the action instead of being ejected off to the side, but a complete failure to eject, a failure to seat or even a double feed are all possible 'jams' with a bolt action rifle.
Sounds like they're saying the un-shot ammunition found with the rifle had the engravings. If I'm mistaken on that, could you please link to where they're saying bullet specifically?
Still, as someone who's tried to paint tea cups, have to agree, curved surfaces are a bitch to mark legibly (probably harder on the smaller surface of a bullet casing).
Be careful about spreading the AI story. I view it as debunked unless you’ve got something better than this exchange:
None of those comments offer anything to suggest its not AI. To me its very clearly ai. Trump these days cannot speak properly and in that video he speaks clear and consistent and uses no hand gestures. He also looks younger and the video is low rez.
If it was engraved, it would be on the casing, not the bullet. I imagine many journalists don't actually know the difference, and most readers probably wouldn't as well.
That said, I agree, I don't see why the shooter would spend the time. If there were any markings, I'm going to guess they're permanent marker, because that's way easier to do.
My money is on this being completely bogus. I believe they found the rifle (first rule of murder school is to not bring the weapon with you), but I do not believe they found engraved bullets, because that's kind of ridiculous.
lol bet they also found The Communist Manifesto engraved on a nano scale on the bullet casing.
raped beheaded babies baked in ovens inside the bullets.
Already proven a hoax
Clowns all of them.
Apparently the bullets did have some engravings, but they said benign shit like "Here fascist, catch!" and "If you read this, you are gay LMAO", but nothing antifa or trans related
What's the Source: ?
I wanna share it with others who still believe it's true
On September 11, 2025, The Wall Street Journal issued a caution regarding its earlier report on an internal law-enforcement bulletin concerning the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk. The bulletin had mentioned ammunition found near the scene with “transgender and anti-fascist ideology” engravings, but the Justice Department indicated the report might not accurately reflect the messages on the ammunition as the probe was in its early stages.
This is statement from the WSJ
So they walked back their own claim, good good good.
They're walking back a claim that was so stupid that it could only be made up by a conspiracy theory idiot.
Yet they made it. Top notch US journalism here people
Now they're somewhat walking it back but that doesn't matter, that walking back part will be ignored, the damage has been done
Yup, it was said, now it is truth to a lot of people
Probably the person making the more believable claim.
The backpedaling on the WSJ's lie has begun:
On September 11, 2025, The Wall Street Journal issued a caution regarding its earlier report on an internal law-enforcement bulletin concerning the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk. The bulletin had mentioned ammunition found near the scene with "transgender and anti-fascist ideology" engravings, but the Justice Department indicated the report might not accurately reflect the messages on the ammunition as the probe was in its early stages.
"our report was somewhat truth-adjacent"
I hope a trans person did shoot him and I hope they get away with it. Kirk made his living by terrorizing and dehumanizing queer folks and I’m happy he finally got to the FO stage. Hopefully seeing daddy get blown away will ensure his kid doesn’t grow up to be as bigoted and the lesson is learned.
I don't. I hope it was a MAGA nutjob or similar so the administration doesn't get a good boogeyman
Oh Gods I hope this isn't the case. The right would start foaming at the mouth and could start rounding us up as threats.
It's also... a little ghoulish to speak about a kid losing their parent that way. Whatever you think of the man his kid's grief isn't exactly something to celebrate. I get not mourning the man but celebrating his death isn't going to help us trans folks in the end. I have a feeling that this is going to get a whole lot worse for all of us as a people very quickly and as a whole we're already a group hanging on by our fingertips.
Yeah if a trans person shot him best case is just a pogrom
Well, we got images of the primary suspect today, so I'm guessing we'll get more pics soon.
Here's what I think we know so far:
- they did recover the gun - reports are saying it's a bolt action rifle, and this article claims to have a shot at the gun, which tracks with this article where a sniper guessed the caliber from the gunshot sound (allegedly a .30-06, which has a similar muzzle velocity and size as the .308 the sniper guessed)
- the bullets were not engraved, though potentially marked w/ permanent marker or something - engraving takes a lot of work, and I doubt someone skilled w/ a firearm would bother
- the primary suspect is the right person - they arrested/detained two others, and quickly let them go
- they have some biometrics - I watched a report where they recovered palm, forarm, and shoe prints, no fingerprints as of yet
I'm guessing the perp isn't a student there, otherwise they would've been able to get a name from school records.
I guess we'll see how close I am, but in the meantime, I hope these sources are of interest to others.
Edit: Looks like they got the guy (Tyler Robinson), and I was pretty close. Some details:
- attended Utah State (not where the shooting happened) for one semester, then dropped out and attended Dixie Tech in St. George (about 4 hours south)
- bullets were allegedly engraved and the text is available, though no pictures AFAICT
- apparently he was conservative, at least a few years prior, though not a fan of Trump or Kirk
- turned himself in when his parents confronted him
We'll probably learn a ton of additional irrelevant details soon. He doesn't seem like a crazy person, just likely radicalized by the internet.
Guesswork on the caliber based on 'sound' is entirely unuseful- silencers exist and acoustics are mysterious at the best times. Edit: since they apparently found the rifle, the chambering should be listed- guesswork is now totally obsolete.
And concerning engraving bullets: that would supremely fuck with the ballistics. You could engrave the case if you felt so inclined, I guess...
Nobody carves bullets, but most people would consider the casing part of the bullet. Journalists are often imprecise, especially with things they're not familiar with.
Homie wrote an entire manifesto on a 30-06 shell
Ideology: fascism is bad, transgender people should have equal rights.
Not ideology: let's kill everybody that doesn't conform to our narrow minded idea of society.
I would love to hear what they mean by “transgender ideology” lmfao
that's some impressive engraving skills
What is this? A manifesto for ants?
Wait when did they find the weapon?? Last I heard they didn't have the weapon and the 2 people they arrested were the wrong guy. So it sounds like the shooter didn't leave the gun behind, so I would expect them to only get the weapon if they got the shooter unless I missed something between yesterday and today.
Edit: Found the update that I missed from the FBI this morning, they apparently found the weapon in a "wooded area", so shooter still unknown
Recent reports indicate a bolt action rifle was found wrapped in a towel in the woods, one empty casing in the chamber, three more live rounds in the mag.
Sounds like Kash Patel watched JFK last night. Was the pristine bullet from a Mannlicher-Carcano?
yeah the ones up by ogden are real pretty too
Yup. I live relatively close to this area, and there are plenty of trees. Why? Because it's a university in a relatively densely populated part of the city (i.e. apartments for students).
I imagine "woods" is a bit generous here though, it's more likely a copse of trees. There aren't any real forests in the valley, but there are areas with a bunch of trees that someone in the desert would refer to as a forest. The real forests are in the canyons and on the east side of the mountains (i.e. Uintah Nat'l Forest, Cache Nat'l Forest, etc).
Utah being a "desert" is a bit of a misnomer. It's not like the Arabian Peninsula or the Senora Desert, it just doesn't get a ton of rain, and we get most of our water in the winter. But there are still underground water systems and of course municipal irrigation.
Yeah, what is antifascist ideology? Like, equal rights, being nice,... That kind of stuff?
And transgender ideology? What is that? To be nice to transgender people?
And transgender ideology? What is that? To be nice to transgender people?
If I were to frame it in terms of an ideology - that we should be allowed to pursue happiness and comfort aided by the backing of scientific evidence to ensure we are safe. That our lives not be rendered into terms where reproductive function or lack thereof dictates how we must live our lives.
And that while we do not demand full metaphysical submission of belief of other people that we are our gender it should be acknowledged that our social engineering mechanisms are a kindness that allow us greater room to psychologicaly function. These absences of accommodation in professional situations or public design causes either our livelihoods or accessibility to spaces or facets of society to become hardships above and beyond the average citizen.
I personally do not care if someone is "nice" to me or not. I care about being able to leave their vacinity if they are being an ass and that my safety and job security isn't effected by me being trans.
How very radical.
It's just interpolation, so probably all of 5 minutes. There's enough misinformation going around, let's not keep spreading the AI video nonsense.
It's an AI interpolation filter over a lower fps video. Yes, it contains AI generated frames. No, that doesn't make it a fabricated video.
Why would it be? Why would it matter? Claiming it as some kind of evidence of foul play is just loony.
Probably didn't even find the rifle responsible. More reason to believe it was a setup.
Lol first thing someone does when they go to assassinate someone is to engrave the rifle they hope no one ever finds...
Yeah wasn't this shit also pulled with Luigi?
No, he wlleft the rifle on purpose. Easier to just throw away especially if the killer unknown to police. Back in the day mobsters would just leave the gun after a hit.
Kinda like how people write shit on bombs meant for Gaza but on bullets? LMAO yes I don't believe that at all
I wonder what's supposedly written on it. I'll bet FCK NZI in the RUN DMC logo
They finally released what the casings said, some homophobic shit, but no "transgender ideology".
One was the lyrics to an Italian WW2 song
One just said "Hey fascist, catch!"
and the last one said "If you read this, you are gay."
Literally nothing related to Transpeople or "Anti-Fascist Ideology"
NBC is reporting a casing reading "notices, bulges, OWO, what's this?", which I'm guessing is what's being spun as a trans thing (lol, lmao even). The "hey fascist, catch" and Bella Ciao ones are pretty clearly antifascist.
I interpreted antifascist as being linked to the group "Antifa" specifically, which..... just calling someone a fascist (even if they are one) by itself wouldn't count as
Yeah, it's hard to tell which way the media is spinning anything related to being antifascist, haha
bella ciao is THE antifascist song. 🤨
huh... cultural differences i guess.
This false flag operation is insanely piss poor. It's like they were all sat in a room and told one of them was going to be scarified to initiate a civil war and here is your rhetoric start immediately saying the exact same thing.
And who has the most to gain? Couch fucker picking off his presidential rivals...
When did noting fascism is bad become an ideology?
When a fascist conman convinced a nation of racist rubes to give him All The Powers.
I thought WSJ was fake news according to trump...
What day is it, and how does it lick the rapist's boots?
I wonder if Jeff Bezos Murdoch will ever see punishment for making his news media mouthpiece publish this lie?
WSJ is owned by Fox News Murdoch assholes, not Jeff Bezos. Both deserve shit. But let's give it where it's due.
The TRN was a label put on by the manufacturer of the bullets, which they decided stood for “trans”. There was also a reference to a video game that consisted of a series of arrows, they decided the up and right arrows stood for male to female, then ignored all the other arrows.
Brilliant people working on this case, I’ll tell ya what.
One shot fired and there are multiple casings found? Yeah, this is bullshit.
One said
"O Bella ciao, Bella ciao, Bella ciao, Ciao, ciao!
One said
"Hey Fascist, CATCH!"
One said
"If you read this you are gay LMAO"
So, no ideology of any kind antifascist nor transgender, in fact it was even a little homophobic
This doesn't matter at all. Release the Epstein files
In this economy?
trump is trying anything to distract from the Epstein list
It was an inside job by a professional. There were two guys doing umpire signals to his immediate right. King pedo Karen just wants an excuse to declare martial law
Pretty convenient.
This is why I'm against extreme violence. "The Left" will end up like the Palestinians.
“More people will be murdered if the Left isn’t crushed with the power of the state,” Loomer added.
Even President Donald Trump blamed the shooting on “radical left political violence” in an Oval Office address Wednesday night.
William Wolfe, another Christian nationalist and a former Trump administration official, posted a video of the shooting with the comment: “The. Left. Must. Be. Destroyed.” In a separate tweet, he wrote, “The Democrats and the Left must be crushed. The goal for Republicans in the next ten years shouldn’t just be to win elections, but to destroy the Democrat Party entirely and salt the earth underneath it.”
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Breaking News: the entire text of The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood was found to be engraved on bullet casings left at the scene, according to a source. So we should ban that book from all schools, fr fr.
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