It's slowly starting to become a lost art though, there's definitely more and more automatics around, starting with all electric cars.
It’s unnecessary to be pedantic. We seem to have a pretty common understanding that the clutch in this context commonly implies manual transmission, and the vast majority of people have no idea how an automatic/CVT of any kind works or what the internal parts are.
the vast majority of people have no idea how an automatic/CVT of any kind works or what the internal parts are.
So I explained automatic transmission has an automated clutch, but sorry for explaining that.
The overwhelming majority of automatic transmissions made in the last 85 years have had torque converters, not automatically operated clutches (referring to the primary connection between motor and driveline, not torque converter lockup clutches or transmission clutch packs). Cars that use the automatic equivalent of a manual clutch pedal have really only been practically produced in the last 15 years in the form of dual wet clutch automatics.
A car without a clutch could also just be a funny car. They don't really have a clutch, it's more a bullseye looking thing that drops in stages. Basically if you try to dump 3000+ horses into first gear metal tends to explode, so you dump multiple stages that just roast until you get speed. You still have gears, but it's less of a clutch and more of a time delay friction welding system attached to the crankshaft.
It’s not just automatics anymore, but also
The thing is there’s no longer much of a price difference and manual is no longer the efficient choice
The change is coming for you guys as well. I've travelled to Colombia on a regular basis over the past 20 years or so, and transmisión mecánica has gone from nearly ubiquitous to almost exclusively an econobox option. Maybe performance cars as well I guess? Wouldn't know about those
Every car has a clutch. Not all of them are manual.
Torque converters (at least nowadays) have a clutch
Show me you're old without telling me you're old.
What is this, some kind of poll to get the average age of Lemmy?
I remember when it was absurd to pay $10 for a banana.
Right. Most of you are from the US. Argentinian here, everybody drives manual. I even wanted to buy an automatic last time but my mechanic was like " Don't even look at it. There is none in this city who can fix those. It might be a great value, but if it breaks, its done for"
99% of people in my country.....
My grandfather had a rule for his kids, and my mom passed it down to me.
You can't have a license until you can:
I learned on a stick. I even did some learning on my uncle's beetle with a broken clutch (they were reasonably optional on the OG Bug). And I have not been behind of the wheel of one since. Still glad I learned all that stuff.
Now, dismantle this car and put it back together, you have one hour!
Oh, these "let's get people to reveal their password reset question" Facebook campaigns again...
My first car was a 1972 Toyota Corolla! I fondly remember driving my first pet, Max, on good ol' Pine Lane, where I grew up, to go see my mother Joan Hart, who retook her maiden name after divorcing my father!
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I'm currently learning to drive in a car without a clutch (an EV)
I had an old Series era Landrover as a paddock basher when I was a kid, that had a manual choke. It also had a backup crank handle for starting the engine which I had to use occasionally as I was using starter batteries which had been retired from usage in the family cars, a gearbox with no synchro on first/second, and the foot brake didn't work. Would recommend, I definitely had fun.
Here in Spain it's estimated that automatic transmission is between 30 and 50% of cars. No official numbers have been released.
So most people have learnt with a clutch. Definitely everyone who has had their license for more than 10 years.
Me too, I like having full control of the car. Plus it's fun to go down slopes in neutral. Wheeeeeee
What? Why not?
Because you're not in full control of the car, which makes the comment I replied to rather ironic.
You get a bit of engine braking when you keep it in gear, which reduces wear on the brakes. Modern engines use basically zero fuel when they're under compression, whereas an idling engine uses some fuel. On loose or wet surfaces especially, you're also less likely to lock up the brakes and get into a skid. To name a few reasons.
That's not quite correct, every ice car has a mechanism to disconnect the engine from the wheels.
Manuals typically use a clutch to archive this. For the longest time automatic transmissions haven't though, instead they use a torque converter. Which also is a type of clutch obviously, but not what people usually refer to when they use the term clutch.
There also are automated manuals and dual clutch transmissions, but those are more modern...
Too lazy to find sources rn, but if anyone wants to know more I'll provide some.
An automatic transmission also has many clutches inside to release or grab different parts of the planetary gear assembly.
But yes, not what people think of when they say "clutch."

Cvt?
Learned it from the beginning. It was my first car. Wanna say it was a late 80s or very early 90s really basic Ford Mustang that my aunt sold to my parents for me to use for like $200 bucks. I loved it, but not even a year later on my way to high school a van flying down the road rear ended me while I was trying to make a left turn waiting for traffic to clear... I haven't had stick shift since.
Here's a pic of around what it looked like so you can see it was a very basic car back then or this model was super basic haha.

if we do our test on a manual we're allowed to drive automatics too. But not the other way round. So i learned on a manual. I now drive an electric without any gears to switch, much less a clutch (but still have a classic mini too)
As someone who learned driving using a manual transmission car, automatic transmission is much better for city driving, I hated having to be careful with the clutch in stop and go city traffic, my left leg would get so sore after a while, plus I've stalled the engine more than once by letting the clutch go too fast.
Yeah I finally went over to the dark side because of bostons horrendous stop and go traffic
Of course I’d use transit whenever I could. However I lived to the east and had to drive through Boston to get home from anywhere else. There were times when it took hours to drive just a couple miles: I couldn’t deal with manual transmission for that
Wet vs dry.. Emmmmm
Learned with and still using stick.
I think it was a Renault Megane. Hopeless car. Left it outside in the cold one night. Every bit of wiring had shorted and if i turned on the wipers, the lights would flicker and the radio turned on.
Renault of that era are complet garbage, but still sold a tonne. This badly damaged their reputation and they took a long time to recover.
Learned to drive on this bad boy:

Then my first car was this beauty:

It has hydrologic suspensions, it's cool AF. Got it 10yo and 230000km and drove it until it died into a cloud of smoke 😢 RIP
1979 Datsun 210. Eventually sold the thing for five cartons of cigarettes.
I owned the B-210 Honey Bee. Great car, zippy.
1982 SAAB 900. No turbo, no sunroof. No frills. Still a fun car to drive. Drove it till the motor gave out just shy of 1,500,000 miles on the ODO
I had a total of 6 SAABs. I was a delivery driver that did long distance deliveries, mostly donated organs. None of them died before 1.2 million miles. The closest I ever got to the 2 million mile club was my 1986 SAAB 900 SPG that I got to a whopping 1,854,35*,*** miles. I don't remember the small digits. There are still SAABs out there that are joining that club, and they haven't made one since 2011
That's awesome. I can't think of any car built in the last 20 years that you could expect anywhere near that kind of longevity. Even 'premium' German brands. I had a BMW that started falling to bits after 100k and my SO had an Audi from brand new that was riddled with problems for the 3 years she had to endure it.
Holy crap! My wife's Solara has 368,000 miles on it and I thought that was a lot.
I had a total of 6 SAABs. I was a delivery driver that did long distance deliveries, mostly donated organs. None of them died before 1.2 million miles. The closest I ever got to the 2 million mile club was my 1986 SAAB 900 SPG that I got to a whopping 1,854,35*,*** miles. I don't remember the small digits. There are still SAABs out there that are joining that club, and they haven't made one since 2011
That's insanity. Too bad I never really cared for the look of the Saab. Looks like a shoe to me. Good cars I guess.
Yep. Still have two stick cars. They’re not dead yet.
Learned on a 2000s era VW Beetle, and then a Mazda B2500 FW/2WD. Last manual I owned was a 2015 Honda Fit. Now both our vehicles are Automatic AWD.
I did get to drive a little 4cyl manual SEAT on holiday in Madeira which was an adventure. 36% grade roads, hairpin turns -- like 150cc mario kart around there
Suzuki Samurai FTW
When I was 15 in the 90s, every adult in the family, and adult friends of the family, said "You're 15? Let's go drive for an hour or two!" I'm pretty sure that, legally, a parent was supposed to be with me, but I guess any random adult was close enough.
I just added up 14 different vehicles I "learned on," including an old pickup with "three on the tree", a Corvette, a 280z turbo, a 68 Chevelle, an International Scout. The rest were boring vehicles. If I remember correctly, 9 were manuals.
OG Mini. So, yes, had a manual clutch. Now, 40-something years later I'm driving an automatic for the first time because they don't make the car I wanted at the spec. I wanted in a manual.
My first car was a '73 VW Super Beetle.
1993 Isuzu rodeo.
I believe the better question here is "clutch pedal" as automatic cars still have a clutch, you just aren't manually booting it.
But yes I did learn to drive stick in a 2002 Mazda Protege.
European here, learned in a Toyota Yaris
Dad had to replace the clutch before I had mastered the subtle art of doing two things at the same time in a car.
Also I'm dyslexic and get my right and left mixed up easily . So you can imagine trying to navigate two feet on 3 pedals didn't go well.
I did eventually learn a manual.
I learned in both because while automatics were the norm, my parents never wanted me stranded in case a manual was my only option. So I learned in an older cute as hell red paint faded it was almost pink Jeep pick up truck with no tailgate.
Looking at photos online, I think it was maybe a 60s era Willie or a Gladiator from the 70s. It was pretty old, but not a classic, when I drove it.
I've got a 1978 J10. There's just something about jeep trucks. Absolutely love em.
Learned to drive manual on a 1981 BMW 320i. All of my cars are still manual to this day. 1999 Toyota Solara, 1988 Toyota Corolla GTS, 2003 Toyota MR2 Spyder and 2020 Hyundai Veloster N. But mostly I ride my bike, which is also a manual.
My first two cars were manuals, and I enjoy manuals (drive an EV now so no choice there) but this post reeks of acting like doing so makes us special. It doesn't. We just learned a different skill, and almost anyone can learn it if they chose to and especially if they enjoy it.
I learned to drive in a big ass truck, but I did recently get my first manual transmission car. It's not that hard to learn I don't think.
I have my commercial driver's license. Driving an 18 wheeler is an order of magnitude harder, but even that is not too hard once you know the constraining rules. I think it is harder to stay in a minimum width lane than it is to shift an 8 speed with 3 splitters and no synchromesh. The rev band is only around 2k RPM, and you only have around a 200 RPM window, with a 50 RPM sweet spot, where the gears will engage without grinding or shutting out the gate entirely. Cars are quite easy by comparison. Driving a tractor trailer, then getting into a regular manual car makes the car seem laughable. It really isn't hard at all.
I learned on an automatic and didn't know stick. Did that stop me from buying an old manual Mustang? Nope. I figured I had some practice with manual shifting in racing games (console), surely it couldn't be that hard. I stalled plenty of times leaving the lot but once I got it going it was fine. It only really took a couple days of dropping clutch and stalling on hills before I had it down.
Edit- Dang pedants
Exact same story for me. Learned on an automatic, but had ridden a dirt bike a few times and understood the concept. First time driving a stick was when I bought my first car and then had to learn fast as I drove it home. Worked out ok.
I did. 1993 Saturn SL2. I bought that car for $1500 in 2001 when I was 16 and quite literally drove it until the wheels fell off (which then ended in me flipping over the car on the highway, but that's a story for another day. That also ended with being the reason I can't listen to "The Red" by Chevelle without a mild panic attack, also a story for another day.)
The idea of buying an 8 year old car (with only 93k miles, at that) for $1500 just seems so foreign now.
All it needed was a muffler, too. I drove it for about a year and a half before I killed the clutch, and that was the most expensive repair it had.
My driving school had 2002 Corollas. Had a lot of problems to get the „feel“ for the clutch and after I mastered that the most challenging thing for me was starting on a hill using the handbrake. Auto-Hold these days is truly a blessing :)
Nissan vanette and ford focus. Don't miss either of those and have an automatic now. I still drive a friend's van from time to time which has a clutch, whoch is good so I don't forget how to drive it. Although it still feels completely natural since I drove manual for 2 decades.
I dont seem to get the joke no matter how much brainpower i use...
Go look at the OP's posting history. The posts on asklemmynsfw are particularly enlightening. Really shitty questions that the OP often replies to with 'stories.' My personal money is that it's a bot account meant to get people talking about stuff, offering clues to who they are and linking accounts that people leave behind with new ones or on other instances.
I learned in a car with automatic transmission first, but had to drive both and prefer (strongly prefer) a manual transmission.
Worst one ever - The Van. The shifter was about a meter long, the gears were so hard to find, and I had to drive it in tight spaces.
Best one ever, my current Honda from 2014. Absolutely glorious.
Whatever the driving school had, I have no idea what car it was.
An old Chevy pickup, with my dad mocking and bitching at me the entire time which really helped my anxiety about being on the road. Wonderful learning experience. First and last time I ever went out with him to learn to driving.
An ancient 10 speed dodge dump truck doing sugar beet harvest in nodak.
1972 AMC Hornet Station wagon with 3 on the tree. Literally The Green Hornet
I learned on a 1st gen Saturn. That's before GM ruined the brand. It had a good deal of pickup to it, and was a lot of fun in the snow.
I don't miss it though. If I lived somewhere I could joyride with zero hills, traffic or parallel parking, sure. Otherwise? It's not worth it.
Chevy Chevette. This may have been one of the worst cars built, take minutes to get up to speed and over-rev cruising in the highway, but it was also a tank that lived through 6 people learning to drive a stick and probably close to two decades.
It was also really easy to work on, but
Chevy S-10. I think a 1999? Around that anyway.
Still miss that little truck. The clutch had two positions - on and off. It was a pain to drive but once I learned on it I could drive anything.
I still drive stick today.
Mazda GLC
VW T3 with a 4 speed manual and a Passat with a 3 speed slush box.
I didn’t learn to drive in a vehicle with a clutch, but I did learn to drive vehicles with clutches! I love manual transmission cars. Been fighting the urge to make a poor financial decision and scoop one up before they’re gone.
I learned to drive on two cars because my parents were divorced: my Dad's Ford Ranger (manual) and my Mom's silly "talking" Chrysler Laser (it literally talked to you, felt weirdly futuristic see: https://en.wikipedia.org/... ). I never really had a problem with using a clutch, it was the lack of power steering on that truck that sucked. I made sure that I never bought a car without power steering after learning on that truck.
I forget what the cat is even called, but it was an old Subaru hatchback. I wanna say GT? Maybe there's a number... I dunno but it was a tiny lil thing.
Haven't given one since then, though. And I didn't do too well with it either, but I am not a car guy, and I don't drive in crazy road situations that would make it useful.
I'm still glad I learned that way though, as my cars since then made more sense to me. At least until now, since I have a hybrid with a CVT.
International scout 2 3 speed on the column.
Learned when I was 11.
An 88 jeep Comanche with a blown up power steering pump and you had to hold it in reverse.
My second car was manual in high school. It was super fun to drive once I got used to it. I’ve had a manual for about 13 years and since switched to an auto for the last 9. Only reason I’d go back would be a fun sporty car but I’d probably be more likely to get a quick EV with one pedal driving at this point.
I learned stick in my 30s after driving an automatic up until then. Humbling to have to learn to drive again at that point in your life.
I'm learning to manually change gears for my first time in my 30s, but on a bike.
Agreed, it is incredibly humbling. I've been driving for over half my life, and now I'm struggling to operate a vehicle all over again.
I learned for motorcycling
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Most people not in the US. We just call it 'driving'
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