28-pound electric motor delivers 1000 horsepower
10 months ago by kalkulat to c/technology
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If it's a Corgi, I would estimate the power output at .1 horsepower max. But if it's a small dog the size of a large dog, then that's something entirely different.
But dog's cost money...
Dog is cost money?
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Just so we're clear, you do not get any of my profits.
A dog's power output comes from its muscle mass, which for a healthy dog is about 45% of its total body weight. This gives our 28-pound dog roughly 12.57 lbs (or 5.7 kg) of muscle.
Studies of animal muscle show that the peak power output of vertebrate muscle tissue during a short, explosive burst (like a jump or the start of a sprint) is around 100 to 200 watts per kilogram of muscle.
Now we can estimate the dog's peak power:
- Low estimate: 5.7 kg of muscle x 100 W/kg = 570 watts
- High estimate: 5.7 kg of muscle x 200 W/kg = 1140 watts
Converting these figures to horsepower (1 horsepower = 746 watts):
- Low estimate: 570 W / 746 ≈ 0.76 horsepower
- High estimate: 1140 W / 746 ≈ 1.5 horsepower
So, a small 28-pound dog might be able to generate a peak power of around 0.75 to 1.5 horsepower for a very brief moment.
So this YASA motor is somewhere between 670 and 1,340 times more powerful than the dog it's being compared to in weight. That's some jaw-dropping power output.
I tried to sanity-test the math here running the same calculations on a 700 kg horse, of which around 50% mass is muscle.
700 kg x 50% = 350 kg
Low:
350 kg x 100 W/kg = 35,000 W
35,000 W / 746 ≈ 47 hp
High:
350 kg x 200 W/kg = 70,000 W
70,000 W / 746 ≈ 94 hp
Despite what the term "horsepower" would seem to suggest, a horse can actually output more than one horsepower. Estimates put peak output of a horse around 12-15 hp. By those numbers, even the low end estimate above is around 3-4x too high. We're gonna need more dogs.
I appreciate the sanity check, but just to throw a monkey wrench into your model...
I think the square-cube law will bite you here. I expect power/mass isn't constant. Mass grows faster than cross-sectional area which is key in muscle performance.
Fair
Horsepower was originally used to describe the work that a horse could do over the course of an hour. Specifically, the number of times an hour a horse could turn a mill wheel at a brewery. These are estimates of peak power, not sustained power, so I would say that it's accurate that horses can produce significantly more than one horsepower in short bursts.
I'm guessing that would be if every muscle was being used for propulsion at any given time. You'd need to allow for heart and lungs, as well as face, neck, tail muscles that don't contribute to power output, plus legs don't provide continuous power as they need to make a return trip.
If we really wanted to optimise a dog for power:weight there are quite a few systems we could do away with. But it would likely result in a less floofy doggo, so it's obviously not an option.
Stop burning the planet down to generate social media comments about shit you don't understand
If I'm not mistaken, you specifically showed an interest in better understanding this.
I recognise their username. It's half sane takes, half absolute wankery with them.
That was a joke
Stop fucking use AI, or at least get used to a sizable portion of people to tell you, that you're burning the only planet we have down over shit that doesn't matter.
Stop burning the planet down to generate social media comments
I mean, I thought it would be obvious my issue was with using AI to do so...
Even if it had been a serious question.
But, to be fair I was thinking of what a normal.person would be able to parse, and not people who's critical thinking had already atrophied from offloading to AI.
They probably don't have any idea what I meant and would need it explicitly spelled out.
How do you know they're not running a local model? Ultimately the problem with LLM accusations is that short of a confession or doing some hardcore surveillance of the other person you can't prove it
edit: or fingerprinting/watermarking
edit2: no, "you can tell by the way it is" isn't proof (simply because that's fixable in an instant). even if you're the smartest person on the internet. and again, it could be a local model.
Ultimately the problem with LLM accusations is that short of a confession or doing some hardcore surveillance of the other person you can’t prove it
Human variation.
Ironically you would have to take the others person word on it, luckily you just said you were comfortable doing so.
Some people are statistically insignificant, and to them lots of stuff is incredibly obvious and they're constantly frustrated others can't see it. They might even sink sizeable free time into explaining random shit, just to practice not losing their temper when people can't see the obvious.
So you might not be able to tell that was AI from a glance, but humans are pattern recognition machines and we're not all equally good at it.
So believe a "llm accusation" or not, but some people absolutely can pick out a chatbot response, especially when taking the two seconds to glance at typical comments from a user profile.
Jump from 1-2 sentence comments to a stereotypical AI response...
Well, again, not everyone is as good at picking out patterns quickly.
To some what took me literally under 10 seconds and two clicks counts as "hardcore surveillance" because it would take them a long time to figure it out.
Don't assume everyone else is exactly like you.
1 dogpower obviously. /s
What if we compromise on fractional thousandths of a kilodog?
1/1000 of a kilodog is just a dog bro
I took it more as a dig at Americans honestly...
The second line is KW hours compared to HP.
And the English still use pounds for weight and stuff pretty regularly.
So pounds and KW hours for them.
Small dogs and HP for Americans.
or about the same as a small dog.
Americans will use anything but the metric system
Small imperial dog, US dogs are different.
British imperial or US customary?
For all non Brits: 1 dogpower = 1005 horsepower It's an imperial unit. You're welcome.
Had an ex-friend who was a motorhead arguing that electric motors will never beat ICE because they lack comparable torque. Look, I'm no mechanic, but I never got my head around that.
"You mean they don't have enough torque to run a US destroyer?! Someone should call the Navy."
Seriously, if you've played with even a tiny electric motor, provide DC, it goes, instantly. What could he have possibly been trying to say?
Tool companies need to nerf electric motors in drills to prevent wrists from breaking.
My parents had an original Prius and it was a weedy little car that made those two hippies really happy. If that was his only experience with electric cars I can see why he’d think that.
But the new ones are fucking rockets. I just don’t understand why they need all that. Can they make a cheaper one that’s got 300 horsepower?
. I just don’t understand why they need all that.
Power sells, they can give that insane 0-60 sprint for very low cost, so it gets people to buy their product instead of a 6 liter V8.
I guess I’m really lamenting the death of the shitbox econo car.
Usually the electric cars with a larger motor are also more efficient, since the motor does not have to run near its peak all the time.
It's so sad, because we could make really great shitbox econo cars now. China, Japan and India are doing it, meanwhile in the U.S. we're needing side-step assistance to climb into our tower-viewing position $80K+ ROADMASTER trucks and SUVs.
I put my hybrid into sport mode when I actually need the acceleration, like quick highway merges or cramped city turns in traffic. If I kept it in eco mode like I normally do, or even just normal mode, the acceleration would be limited and I'd either be unable to merge or would cause an accident.
Yeah drivers in my area are shitty, I know. Unfortunately I can't flip a switch and change their behavior.
Also sometimes it's just plain fun to go zoom (when safe, obviously).
I have the same sort of fun in my manual transmission gas car
You probably need to downshift and rev it up to above 4000rpm to get near peak torque. And torque is lower below and above that.
An electric motor can hit peak torque at 0rpm. And maintain that peak torque up to, idk, faster than you or I will ever drive a vehicle. It's available instantly, always.
If you get a chance, try driving the slowest, most boring electric car you can find. It will surprise you.
The electric motor capacity also accounts for scenarios like a heavily loaded car going uphill with poor weather conditions.
And because it always can dump full power into the wheels instantly, unlike ICE cars (which are forced to burn an insanely wasteful amount of fuel to compete) that means every EV made for normal use has ridiculous acceleration
But even the biggest trucks out there don’t have 1,000 horsepower, and they’re built to haul heavy loads uphill in bad weather.
What could he have possibly been trying to say?
I mean, the general appeal of ICE engines is the fuel, not the engine. Gasoline is generally more energy dense than lithium.
Nah, his complaint was lack of torque. Very strange, never got it. Figured he was repeating fossil fuel propaganda. But he was a motorhead!
And yes, energy density is the thing no one talks about when raging against fossil fuels. A gallon of refined gasoline packs insane energy. I've run my 5-gallon, crappy Harbor Freight generator all night into the morning, powering the camp, heaters and all, never came close to emptying it. Contrast that with a monster LIPO4 battery that died in 48-hours only powering LED lights. (Gotta admit, something weird happened there.)
It is funny because electric motors have nearly unlimited* torque depending on the kind. If you have thick enough power cables and winding conductors, you can just keep pushing it harder to get more torque.
It is like the thing they are very good at, besides sound levels, double or triple the efficiency, low/no maintenance, simpler with less parts, no emissions, etc...
Literally the only good thing about combustion engines are their fuel source energy density.
I think the problem is that motorheads see the enshittification of the auto industry as a whole and just say it's because of electric motors because it happened right about the same time as EVs started coming out and try to push back on the wrong thing.
The vroom vroom noises are good too.
Interestingly I've a relative who used to be a car salesman and still gets invited to dealer events occasionally - he was telling me about an electric he got to test a year or so back, it had a simulated gear shift/gear knob setup. He said people were loving it.
Nah, his complaint was lack of torque.
Maybe just had torque confused with horsepower? That's been the historical trade-off between gas and electric. Sure, its very easy to get an electric motor to jump into action. But it is comparatively difficult to generate the same amount of power with equivalent fuel density.
A gallon of refined gasoline packs insane energy.
Much of which is lost to heat when combusted, which is the historical hang-up.
Not that batteries don't have their own heating problems. But the benefit of batteries is that they're an engineering problem we can solve with miniaturization, which we've become incredibly good at. We're at a soft ceiling in terms of engine chemistry. Petroleum is about as refined as we're going to get it. Combustion's math is what it is. Improvements to the efficiency of modern engines have stalled out as an automotive tool, even to the point that a gas engine powering an electric capacitor in a hybrid yields performance improvements over the gas engine just spinning the wheels directly.
I would love to replace work van with an electric one, but so far it's not possible for one main reason (other than cost)...I often tow quite heavy trailers and my diesel can tow 2500kg, but every electric van I've looked at can only tow 750kg. Maybe it's something to do with that?
These same idiots tell me my hybrid battery will only last 20,000 miles a cost $50,000 to replace. Yeah sure.
Yea I’ve been hearing that one since 2003 with my original Prius. That battery lasted 23 years before it crapped out, and modern battery tech is waaaaay better than that thing. Also it wouldn’t have been that much money to refurbish the battery if it hadn’t been too smashed up to bother.
Electric motors don't have a torque curve like ICE, which is why they don't need a transmission. Those massive submarines run on electric motors.
Dunno, I feel every rev head knew about that evs have no torque curve and plenty of it. The concern to me head always been weight and range when on track. EVs are great in straight line, but have a lot more momentum in corners. They generally have narrower tires as well, which is great for range, but poor for grip
I need to torque a shit
Everything but metric.
They're based in the UK, they have no excuse.
Likely just the article
Did they update the page since you commented? I see kw and kg on there... 🤷
Now latest testing of an even lighter 12.7kg version on a more powerful dynamometer has shattered this record, with a staggering 750kW (>1000bhp) short-term peak rating, resulting in a new unofficial power density record of 59kW/kg
I wonder if we'll ever get enough standardization across EVs so people can start doing the electric equivalent of an LS swap.
I could see this being done on a Slate truck, along with an auxiliary EV battery bolted in the back.
Hopefully solid-state batteries (once their production manages to ramp up to consumer vehicle scale) could allow for higher capacity and power delivery without the limitations or safety risks of current battery tech.
I mean, I guess. Power output isn't what I'm really hoping for on new battery tech. What we have is perfectly capable of 0-60 times that only thoroughbred performance street cars can meet (like Ariel Atom territory), and the top speed is plenty.
Once you're putting down 500hp, tires start to become a limiting factor. The torque that goes behind that number can stress the limit on all but the largest tires with the stickiest compounds.
Safety, range, and weight reduction of new battery tech are great, though.
Yep, I have an EV and the way my partner drove it just eats through tires. We're talking about $1.5k, 50k mile warranty tires being replaced at 20-25k because someone liked to pretend they're a fucking astronaut on launch day.
Not bitter.
Current capacity, safety and power delivery are fine for most purposes, really.
LFP batteries really solved battery fires - they can't produce their own oxygen like older NMC batteries, so they just get really hot and die instead of going off like fireworks.
Once you get past 300 miles, you're pushing the limits of the average bladder and you need to stop before the car does.
With current electric trucks, if you're doing some city driving and plug the truck in when you take a break, a truck driver will run out of hours before the truck runs out of range.
Like this?
Until someone tests it independently, this should be considered BS.
I'll give them some credence based on the cars their motors are already used in and the fact that their parent company is Mercedes-Benz. Doesn't look like they're a bunch of grifters seeking investment.
I suppose, but I'm skeptical of car manufacturer claims, too, until independent testing is done.
I hope this is real and think it's awesome, but will wait to see if they exaggerated.
Well, the peak output is a useless number, that's just record chasing. I think the continuous output is the number we should be looking at. That is a bit more believable and also started in the article that that number is an estimate for now.
So IMO they're not making any wild claims. There's "we measured this huge output for a short burst" and "we think that over a long period, it can do this slightly smaller, but still impressive number, but it needs to be verified"
Will be cool to find out if the continuous output is close to their estimate of course, but even if it's lower, it's still impressive by virtue of the super low weight.
There is a 1000 hp tesla with 3 motors that all together weights about 450 killograms, this seems to support your idea until you look at how much the batteries weigh...
The batteries are 550 kilograms to start, and are generally considered to not be big enough. So yeah, great they solved the issue that no EV had (EVs always had lighter motors, and very heavy batteries).
Edit: The 1000 hp telsa is 2200 Kg total, so yeah this would cut out 400 ish Kgs (assuming cooling and inverter and all that) from the total, not nothing but not really a game changer ether. Also 1000 Hp engine is stupid and not needed, maybe if it was a 200 Hp version but then also that would be diminishing returns as this motor would be what 4 kgs?
Put the big battery pack (and maybe an ICE powered generator + fuel) on a trailer for cruising, then have a "ditch trailer and escape" button for that 20 mile sprint at the end of the trip.
Ah, yes. I too enjoy staging my road tripping vehicle like an interplanetary rocket.
Making the motor lighter gives weight allowance for the onboard BESS. This could allow more batteries to be installed on the same car, increasing range and power/torque, so long as the volume of the car allows that same BESS increase.
It's still good progress. I don't understand your POV where we must focus on the BESS first and make that more efficient, both in terms of weight, volume, power, and energy, then move on to other things.
We can do that in parallel and see faster improvements.
This looks small enough to be installed within the wheel hub itself. Imagine a car with four motors, one inside each wheel. The entire floor pan could just be one thin battery, and everything above it could be passenger and storage space.
That's how EVs started! Sorta.
This is from a Porsche in 1900:
And some 2000s EVs tried it. But it's impractical.
It increases unsprung weight, e.g. weight not cushioned by suspension. Bad for ride/handling/steering feel.
All that vibration is HARD on the motor. Read: unreliable.
Motor is more exposed to temperature/dust. Again, reliability.
In reality, a decent suspension needs a lot of room under the body anyway. An axle to get the motor in the body is dirt cheap on the rear, and still pretty cheap on the front, and you could just mount this thing sideways to make it flat...
That would be a lot of unsprung weight.
Handling and ride quality are dramatically and negatively impacted by every bit of weight that is not held up by the suspension. That's why higher performance cars will have lightweight wheels. Rather than steel wheels you see on lower performance cars.
It's better to just put all the heavy drive components inboard on the chassis and run drive shafts to the wheels.
You see motors in the hubs of bicycles, because they really don't go that fast. So even if the bike has a suspension, it's not that big of a deal. Motorcycles on the other hand would need to keep any heavy parts inboard.
Steel wheels haven't been common on anything but really cheap cars for a few decades now, but in general your point holds true. There's heavier and lighter alloy wheels out there.
Still, these could be just tiny motors connected to the wheels via a short shaft on the rear especially. Instead of the huge monstrosities most EVs currently seem to use which are huge, as they also include gearing and such. Still leaves more space for battery without having to go unsprung with hub motors.
PS
One issue I hadn’t thought of is putting traditional brakes (which generate a ton of heat) right next to the motors. Again, we're just asking for mechanical issues here, and we’re ballooning unsprung mass to mitigate it, especially in heavier cars that take a lot to stop.
The entire floor pan could just be one thin battery, and everything above it could be passenger and storage space.
This seems like a minor thing, but the control electronics for the motors takes up a nontrivial amount of space. So do “traditional” subsystems like hydraulics, climate control, or an old fashioned car battery (which often exists in parallel to the EV drivetrain).
Theres also safety to consider. A traditional sedan “hood,” even a small one, is easier on standing pedestrians, so it hits their legs and they flop on top, instead of slamming them like a wall (as a bus-like front would).
Aptera wanted to do this with their flagship Solar Electric Vehicle (SEV).
IIRC, they switched to an outwheel motor because of the weight the inwheel motors added to the wheels. Could be wrong tho
Aptera
LOL. Coming soon...since 2009
For real lmao
Hub motors are a party trick. They will never reach mass market in a car.
Not even the concept had hub motors.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/...
https://electricarworld.com/...
https://auto.hindustantimes.com/...
Limited slip differential? Can't do that with hub motors. https://www.topgear.com.ph/...
If you have different information about a production car, please share it. The theoretical concept ID.2 R may use hub motors but that is vaporware at this point.
I only have german articles. I only heard it in the video source below, and they sadly don't really say how the normal problems with hub motors would be solved even though they have a section for it in the video.
They work well on bikes. I could appreciate 1000bhp hub on my 12kg touring bike. 🤭
I agree, they are good for minimally suspended low speed personal transport.
Imagine on a motorcycle.... Probably nonstop wheely 🤣
They make sense for scooters, bikes, and other low speed or two wheel personal transport. For anything with an actual suspension (designed for a highway) there is just too much competition for space with brakes and suspension linkage. The unsprung weight, exposed high voltage cabling subject to road debris and accidents are problems too. And what to do hub motors really gain you?
Simplicity, no transmission. As to unsprung weight, designs like these have a ridiculous power density, so add only very little. Advanced suspensions are active anyway, so just part of the wheel robot.
Less weight, less parts, 4WD, 4W traction control, more cabin space because no driveshafts.
They might work in the rear if used instead of rear brakes. Rears do far less work anyway and brakes are heavy. Powerful electric motors can do a lot of regen, similarly assisting the front brakes.
I've had near 8 kilogram rear brake disks on a diesel wagon, not even a performance car that would require huge brakes, current car is 5. Calipers weigh a bunch too. Pads themselves are light, but still add to the whole setup.
Renault 5 RS Turbo has hub motors, Nostradamus.
mass market
There’ll be 1,980 of these built
That car is the definition of a party trick. You proved my point, so thank you.
Right, because 2000 of something is not mass production.
And here is a source in China definitely not making >20 hub motors for cars, scooters, etc.
And BMW did not invest $30M in DeepDrive, hub motor supplier.
You should tell these people they are all stupid.
Renault 5 RS Turbo
That's because its a limited run show car. Its not meant to be practical.
Except for the fact that that much power would need massive batteries. So your thin small battery would be dead the first time you mashed the peddle to the floor
forgot the part where they were excited to put the batteries on the tire
Yep, I noticed that, you're right. And that's near-miraculous efficiency. The maker's website sez: "YASA also estimates that its all-important continuous power will be in the region of 350kW-400kW (469bhp-536bhp)." It also sez: "To achieve a 750kW short-term peak rating and a density of 59kW/kg ... " Devi'ls in the details ... The image on the 'superblondie' page shows A LOT of cooling built into whatever metal that is: https://supercarblondie.com/...
Sez. I lol'd
Out of curiosity, would you explain your reply and your immediate parent’s comment for me? “Sez” - a bit old but didn’t seem too weird, but then: “date of poisoning” - are you implying an LLM wrote that and “sez” has something to do with pinpointing some poisoning of the model?
EV motors are already over 90% efficient. They don't piss away evergy as heat like ICE, where about 40% of the gas is wasted as heat and noise.
I mean an ICE output more heat than power. So a 150kW ice engine requires like, 200kW heat dissipation ?
28 pounds = 12.7kg, for those wondering.
Bro got that galaxy brain. Average is about 1.4 kgs, or roughly .5% of a giraffe for you standard pedants.
Ebike would probably fold in half from the torque lol
It only does that at peak for a few seconds, practically, about a third that power.
Anything but metric!
1000 horses sounds cooler than 735 electrical pixies a second.
But horses are measured in hands, average of 16 hands so 16000 hands, 8000 people. That's like 1 electrical pixie per 11 people
But it should be kilowatts. There's no reason not to use the standard metric for power, it's unnecessary fragmentation of figures
Well the metric version is about 1014 PS, but honestly the difference between horsepower and pferdestärke is pretty negligible.
Sadly “745 kW” doesn’t sound as cool as “1000 horsepower.”
What are you on about? The metric unit for power is the Watt
They said anything but metric. The SI unit for power is the Watt, sure, but there are other metric units that are not SI units. One of these is the metric horsepower. 1 metric horsepower is defined as the amount of power required to raise 75kg of mass 1 meter in 1 second against Earth’s gravity. I used pferdestärke because automakers use the “PS” abbreviation in my experience.
This unit exists as an attempt to have a value comparable to historic mechanical horsepower measurements but defined with metric terms.
Obviously Watts are the preferred unit for most things, but the automotive world still likes horsepower. So, metric horsepower.
Colloquially "metric" means the SI-system though. It's not all prescriptively correct terms. Hell, even the name isn't, as the French and English couldn't
So I'm not goanna say your wrong per se. But you're not exactly right either
That sounds very dependent on the language. I've never read/heard "PS" as horsepower before. Let's just use kW ffs.
300-400kW continuously should be the headline. Thats impressive. Lots of motors can try and make 1000hp if you feed them enough voltage but only for a split second before they overheat and burn out. I wonder how long it can do this 1000HP.
Maybe we can also have them drive themselves and link them up for more efficiency also have them as a service so not everyone has to own their own and we can reduce overhead on servicing and infrastructure and ... trains.
but then u cant splatter pedestrians and cyclists on the pavement like overmicrowaved hotpockets or ram the car in front of u for not going fast enough or brake check the one behind you for being to close or...
It’s not that it isn’t true, but hot pockets are gross enough already
Make them stone tracks, because steel is too expensive, then make the wheels of gum, because steel wheels have too less friction. Then you have a street and a car.
Once I figured out it was an axial flux prototype motor this whole article made sense.
Having a powerful motor is nice, but you still have to power it.
Easy! Just make this:
With this:
*guns throttle* Tires and tube liquify, blast apart, rim rapidly grinds to nothing against the pavement, spokes rocket in all directions. Onlookers remark: "pretty cool way to go out..." And then give the 🤘 hand gesture
I'm assuming the efficiency is similar to other electric motors. Maybe not the best, but likely acceptable. If it's not, the product is DOA.
If my assumption holds true, it would allow for lighter cars and better packaging by making even more room for the battery near the bottom of the car since these engines are so small, you could easily just use one per driven wheel and forget about differentials and such. And hybrids that put the motor in a ZF 8HP transmission could have wayyyyy more power available from the electric bit, as space is sorta constrained there.
I think trains could also benefit from a weight loss IF these are durable enough. They have multiple motors usually.
Weight is important in vehicles not just because of energy efficiency, but because the more sprung mass you have, the more work the suspension needs to do. And unsprung mass is even worse, so ideally your motors are sprung mass. Currently weight is still a bit of an issue for EVs due to the batteries, but if they can make up for it a bit by having super light weight motors, the difference between EV weight and ICE weight becomes smaller. Weight is also super important to road wear, I think it is by 4th power. So 20% heavier means twice as much wear already.
Weight will help with efficiency. If you got to tow around less weight, you can go for longer.
The weight of the motor is insignificant compared to that of the batteries.
True
These get shit out by LMs at the rate of a dozen a day.
I was going to shit all over this thing, but if it can do ~500hp continuously that's awesome. Wonder what kind of efficiency it has and what the cooling requirements are. That low weight puts us back into unsprung wheel motor territory, especially if it scales down well.
Oh man, continuous 500hp, 1k short burst at each wheel. I think my car caught fire just thinking about it...
Every time I get a faster car I need better tyres so the wheels never spin... The fuck kind of tyres would I need to stop 1000hp at each wheel spinning?
Engineering explained did a video on something similar with the 3000hp Chinese hypercar, and his conclusion was that you'd need to be going something like 175mph (280kph) to be able to use full power without spinning the tires.
Thousands of horsepower in a car is a terrifying amount of power.
Trains don't benefit much from lesser weight.
Drones, and planes are the most likely to benefit from this.
Quite the opposite, you want the locomotive to be as heavy as possible without exceeding axle or track load limits. The heavier it is, the more weight it can pull before slipping the wheels.
Assuming that flying with an electric motor is a viable option (I have zero clue, but from what I heard currently its not that realistic that we will get electric planes)
The main weight in an electric plane is a battery, and the energy density in that isn't good enough yet, and it's possible that it can't be better with the current batteries we have, and we need a battery on a different set of elements
Small electric planes already exist. But yeah not passenger planes or to go any useful distance for the foreseeable future
The voltage/hp comparison there doesn't really fit.
Power is in watts or horsepower. You multiply the torque with the RPM and a scaling factor to get power.
A higher voltage system could probably be expected to produce more torque and power from the same size motor, but a lot depends on the design of the motor.
Then to answer "how much torque though," I haven't looked into it but electric motors have a very nice torque curve across the RPM range. If a motor made all that power with low torque, then it must spin at super high RPM and need to be geared down.
Totally, and I think that's why they thought it was worth a press release. In the article they go right to how they're setting a new power density record with this design.
Electric motors are just really power dense. The article says they managed a short term peak of 1,000 hp with that little flat 12.7kg motor and the continuous output could still be half that.
Just the cooling must be crazy.
Out of curiosity I looked up something comparable. It looks like high-performance integrated drive units that have other stuff like the single-speed gearbox, differential, and inverter are still only in the dozens of kg.
Electric cars are already awesome but they're just getting started. In a few years an ICE car will look like even more of a pathetic fossil (pun intended) than it does today.
holy shit
Ah they're rating motors like they used to rate speakers?
Car engines, for probably the past 100 years, have always been advertised based on their peak power rating, not what they can produce continuously. Cars are not designed to have their accelerator pedals floored for hours on end, nor is this even possible to do, as you'd eventually hit a curve and need to slow down.
This is especially the case for high performance vehicles, which usually have more demanding maintenance requirements just from normal operation, let alone from being abused like that.
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An engine for a third of the price of my weekly shopping trip….thats ace.
/s
Anybody know a good place to buy cheap motors at various sizes? Like servos and stuff?
It's a lost cause, then.
In case I change my mind, send me their website.
The previous version is already in the Temerario. This is more of an evolution of an existing design.
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I feel like we'd need peak horsepower output of a small dog to truly understand this.
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