I don't care about Maduro, as far as I'm concerned, they can shoot him if they want. What matters to me is walking through the streets of my city and seeing the faces of fear on my neighbors. The military patrolling to prevent looting due to panic. It's a collective hangover, a horrible one.
It's 2016 all over again. It's seeing despair entering the circulatory system of all Venezuelans, only now it's more sudden, and we are painfully aware of it.
This is far from improving, and we know it.
Because your congress is deepthroating that fucking child rapist. That's why.
Aren't they supposed to refuse illegal orders even from potus?
Yes. Yes they are supposed to.
That's why I get pissed about stories of the variety "X resigns rather than follow administrations orders". People seem to cheer when that happens because they see it as people pushing back on illegal orders, but they're not. They're just bailing from responsibility when they were one of the few people in the position to legitimately be a stopgap on this runaway power abuse. In resigning, they've just made it easier for a loyalist or morally corrupt replacement to come in and roll out the red carpet to the autocracy. Stay right where the fuck you're at, plant your feet, and tell them that you're absolutely not following illegal orders from anyone. That is worth cheering.
I know youre being funny about it, but I need to point out the officer's oath is not to the president, and the supreme court is irrelevant in this.
Specifically any orders which violate the constitution, federal law, or (specifically an "or" here, not "and") international law should be refused. Typical examples are torturing people who are detained, targeting civilians, etc.
Not exactly. They ruled the president cannot be prosecuted for illegal acts taken in the capacity of president. So it's more "he can do illegal shit and we can't stop him" and less "anything he does it automatically legal". So refusing an illegal order would presumably still be a valid route of action.
But from what I know about the military, they can just punish you in some other capacity even if what you did is technically legal. Ie reassigning you to some shit duty or miserable location.
Sadly a good chunk of the good ones were fired, and the others are too scared about their pensions to do anything. The rest have been installed by our glorious dictator and also suck his cock on the daily.
Yes, they are supposed to. They also are trained to follow orders, and much more vigorously.
But generally, overthrowing governments that oppose the USA is seen as routine. We do this frequently.
but they also have alot of trump supporters in the military, im not surprised.
Congress has not wanted the responsibility to declare war that the Constitution gave them in Article 1 Section 8.
Ever since the civil war, Congress has handed more and more military power over to the Executive branch.
No country actually declares war anymore. From Wikipedia:
Declarations of war have been exceedingly rare since the end of World War II.[3][4] Scholars have debated the causes of the decline, with some arguing that states are trying to evade the restrictions of international humanitarian law (which governs conduct in war)[4] while others argue that war declarations have come to be perceived as markers of aggression and maximalist aims.
That part of the US Constitution is irrelevant nowadays and should long have been updated to require any foreign (or domestic) military operations to be first approved by Congress, not just declaring war. Doesn't make your point of Congress granting ever more rights to the President irrelevant though.
Yeah, declaring war is only more than just words insofar as there are laws that require a declaration before certain activities or uses of powers.
Congress has allowed the president and executive branch agencies to strike other countries, kill non combatants and soldiers, occupy countries, kill Americans, and operate torture sites without needing a formal declaration of war. There are several relevant acts of Congress, but the clearest example is the Authorized Use of Military Force. We're still using it 25 years later and Congress keeps reauthorizing it and allowing more and more broad interpretations.
We invaded Afghanistan, Iraq, and bombed several more countries in retaliation for 9/11
It’s bullshit and I don’t understand why our Congress is letting him do this. It’s unjustified and illegal.
You still haven't understand yet that your government is rigged as fuck?
The same congress that was totally cool with the Trail of Tears? I think people forget that there were people living here already and that the US has been invading sovereign nations to enrich white people since they stopped doing it in the name of Britain a few hundred years ago.
Native Americans didn’t get the right to vote until 1975 and 100 years after the promise we still don’t have voting members of congress. It’s the same congress.
$960 billion US defense budget was passed by both parties. There you go and yes, it is fucked up.
This is what has been cooking since 9/11/2001.
The AUMF grants the president the ability to just do military shit if it is in defense against "terrorism".
Since its passage in 2001, U.S. presidents have interpreted their authority under the AUMF to extend beyond al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan to apply to numerous other groups as well as other geographic locales, due to the act's omission of any specific area of operations. The adoption of this law does not require the targets to be state actors, but can include non-state actors, such as individual persons. In December 2016, the Office of the President published a brief interpreting the AUMF as providing congressional authorization for the use of force against al-Qaeda and other militant groups.Today, the full list of actors the U.S. military is fighting or believes itself authorized to fight under the 2001 AUMF is classified.
It should have been updated and repealed before G. W. Bush left office but it was left on the table and every president has used it.
During his first term, the Trump administration officially accused Maduro with "Narco Terrorism". I wouldn't be surprised if this was the plan all along. It's a stretch, for sure, but all that seems to matter to the GOP is having some speck of legal cover and the corrupt SCOTUS does the rest.
He went around Congress. It was an illegal action. Congress may try to do something to stop him, but my odds are on the Supreme Court intervening to let Trump continue to do whatever he wants.
As others have mentioned, it's most likely legal under the AUMF.
Drug war is also legal. Slavery was legal. Legal doesn't mean shit. But it is, probably, legal (under US law, definitely not international law but the US doesn't give a shit about that).
You still don't know? Republicans are all complicit in it so they refuse to use their control of Congress to do anything. Republicans don't care about the law they only care about them having power.
I think you may have assumed America hasn't always been a Mafia and most people in the government are just as naive as most of us regular people.
Everyone needs to stop paying attention to the magic act going on center stage and go see what’s going on with the group behind the curtain.
Because they support it.
I'm sorry. What we're doing is wrong. It shouldn't be happening.
As a Native American… no.
You get a pass.
Unless you pay American tax. That's what puts the blood on your hands... Funding it. That's an unfuckwithable fact.
It takes more than 7 people to produce a fighter jet.
It takes more than 7 people to launch, fly, and navigate a fighter jet.
It takes more than 7 people to kidnap an acting head of state.
The US military is complicit. The US military infustrustrial complex is complicit.
I'm not sure if I would consider US voters complicit, most of us are rendered powerless by the current electoral system, but we've sure got a lot of blood on our hands.
The us is a country of what? 400M people? Are you telling me 400M people can't just kick those 7 assholes? Nah mate, it's "you". Because if it's just 7 people, then it's still "you" who are letting them do this.
Correct.
I am an American, and I keep trying to explain to other Americans that nobody else is going to fucking care for 99% of our personal excuses, for all the details of why we are not right this very moment overthrowing our very obviously demented and evil, fascist dictatorship, which is in command of the most capable implement of devastation probably ever seen on the face of the planet.
My personal excuse is that I'm literally crippled and broke and actually can't physically do much, and I spent the last decade + warning everyone that somewhere like this was where we were headed if we didn't collectively pull our heads out of assess...
...but I entirely do not expect any sympathy or special consideration from any other country or its residents.
We had everything.
And it wasn't enough, we threw it away in for greed, overconfidence, and frankly just a lot of racism, hatred and ignorance, wanting to just really truly feel superior to ... some other kind or group of people.
We are a contemptible nation of idiot narcissist hypocrites.
Pariahs, a single generation after largely being viewed as heros.
Its truly pathetic.
You should watch "century of self" by Adam Curtis. It's on YouTube and other sites.
Even when things were "good" it wasn't honest or genuine. It was still just "the game" owned by evil.
400M people distributed over an insanely large landmass with low population density and sky-high levels of income inequality preventing ease of travel to DC. Also representation is incredibly distorted depending on state of residence and direct citizen influence at the national level is nonexistent.
Nope. I'm doing my part. The general public isn't personally hurting enough to take action. People are generally selfish when it comes to caring, if they have food, shelter, relative safety, etc. then they don't care about anything else. All of that is starting to go away, which is why we're seeing more and more actively protesting, but it's still not enough. It's growing though.
Also it's not 7 people enforcing it, it's 7 people making the decision in the first place. The State has a monopoly on violence, and they use it to prevent the People from doing anything about their decisions. That's why democracy was such an amazing invention, since it allowed non-violent decision changes.
those who cannot reach the grapes claim they are sour, while those who have tasted them many times feels no pity for the ones who cannot until they too need help from those they neglected
The watcher is as guilty as the one who committed the crime.
But you would make a bad decision; you would not be a bad person.
We should have thrown ourselves in front of the army to stop this I guess
We could've talked it out instead of bombing a country that didn't even deserve it. Without killing innocent people, destroying dozens of homes and taking a president and his wife from their country by force. Minimizing the effect and after-effect is a form of defence and your--my--and all American's part in this.
No, it's all Americans that pay tax. You can't even fuck with that fact. We made this possible.
No, it’s ‘we’.
Voting is important.
And even just the cost of it...To take Greenland by force would easily run into the hundreds of billions of dollars, likely trillions. Greenland has a population of 56,000 people. You could cut every resident of Greenland a check for $10 million USD, and that would cost $560 billion. Would the citizens of Greenland agree to become part of the US, if we acknowledged all existing property and indigenous land rights, and we cut every Greenlander a check for $10 million USD? Maybe we even offer to waive the normal state population requirements and admit them to the Union directly as a state, skipping the territory stage? There's precedent. We did that when the Republic of Texas became the State of Texas. That would actually be far, far cheaper than trying to do it by force. And in the end you get a new territory with all its infrastructure intact, not destroyed in the conflict or by sabotage. Oh, and you know, there's that whole "no one has to die" thing.
Would the Greenlanders take this offer? Maybe, maybe not. But honestly, long before any military force was used...even if you completely ignore the legality and morality of the whole thing...these are the types of offers you should be considering before trying to take Greenland by force. If you simply must have Greenland as a US territory, and you really believe that, the rational and only moral thing to do would be to at least start making offers like this. But that's not what you see. The only offer of any direct payments to residents I've seen proposed was like a paltry $10k. If you're trying to buy someone's country out from under them, at least have the dignity to make a fair offer!
A Trump never pays his debts.
Trump isn't giving you a single $0.01(USD).
Trump is going to try to take Greenland by force, for Free.
"Trump can invade us, as long as he pinky promises to pay!" is wiiiild.
I don't know about Greenland, but as a Canadian, there's no amount of money you can give me to get me to be peacefully conquered. I would rather be killed by the USA military than join the USA.
Does Greenland have large oil reserves? Venezuela is about installing an American friendly/puppet regime, so that American oil companies can take control of the oil.
No, but he wants it and, as it would seem, he thinks the world is his playground so he can take what he wants.
5 damn centimetres... we were that close.
There was no need to stage an assassination attempt, come on now. Popular vote doesn't elect Presidents!
Do you think Sandy Hook was a false flag, also?
behaving like putin, almost if hes getting advice fom him.
they have alot of rare earths, which is why trump wants it, but its mostly inaccessible, and dangerous because it does not allow easy mining.
At the start of 2025 I would've said you're being ridiculous.
Amazing how much a year can change things.
Stay safe OP, you and your family.
I hope this "special operation" results in blowback specifically for Trump himself.
All sovereign countries deserve independence and freedom from invasion.
all the propaganda out on reddit, defending him, "oh because hes a dictator he needs to be removed". plus Republican venuzuleans are celebrating it though/.
lets not forget its a distraction from the epstein files, plus Smiths testinomy recently too.
As an American, we may hate him more than you do right now. I'm sorry this is happening, the oligarchs just want Venezuela's largest crude oil reserve because greedy corporations (ExxonMobil, Chevron, ConocoPhilips, Halliburton, etc.) want more control over a dying planet. America has done this to Latin American countries 12 times in the last ~100 years, and went to war for 30+ years in the Middle East for oil too, so this is nothing new from an imperialism perspective.
Yeah I personally am not fearing for my life (yet) due to him enacting violence in my city (yet). Actually that's kind of not true with ICE, but yeah I agree it's not quite the same, and citizens of Caracas are suffering more right now.
However, there's a longer history that US citizens have had to deal with, and we hate him. Hundreds of thousands or millions of people cut off from food, medicine, housing. Millions of job losses due to his corruption with Musk. There's about 700 other things that we've personally dealt with. But yeah, in this exact moment, we haven't had our city bombed and our leader abducted (yet), so acutely OP dislikes America maybe more.
That’s not true. The US returned him to power.
If they hated him as much as you claim he wouldn’t have even ran the second time because you’d have done something about it. Certainly he wouldn’t have won.
Nope, you don’t all hate him. Furthermore you as a nation are responsible for his actions.
Who said "we all"?
It's about 31% who voted for him, about 35% that didn't vote at all, and the rest that voted for someone else. There are extreme gerrymandering and voter disenfranchisement efforts in place, and straight up rigging in some cases, so it's not even just a fair contest.
‘But stop and think about US citizens and their discomfort’
I don't know how much of it is ai bots or propaganda or what, but most sources I have been able to track down have mostly celebrating Venezuelans. I know the country has not been a good place to live in over the past decade. US corporate is going to essentially own and swallow up the resources from there, but it won't surprise me if the general population there has it easier for a while. See what kind of kangaroo government gets put in place down there and for how long the US is going to keep their governing thumb over the country.
So do something.
It's almost impossible to get the people of this country to do anything. Just 1 person is going to be sniped the second they even think to do anything. So far we've had a few try to fix this but they were caught or completely missed. The USA Is huge and it would take days for people on the west coast to get to the east coast where the important people are. Plus money, most of us are very poor and can't even afford to travel that far. So we're trying by protesting in our communities.
protesting in our communities
Nobody's ever asked for more. Just be there. Block, obstruct, make your voice heard. Civil disobedience. Keep up the pressure. The punishment must follow their deeds at once, or they will never even consider toning down. Even if you cannot light up the powder keg, you can start 100 small fires. Metaphorically speaking.
We stand with you.
You want to quit being coy and say what you’re asking people to do?
That's why it's called the "ultimate sacrifice". Right... After all I guess that American war saying was really no different than the idea the ayatollahs pushed.
No, you aren't.
You most certainly are not.
Sorry you're all scared. That's awful. I'm in the US wondering when we marginalized folks in the LGBT community are getting sent to concentration camps. People are scared here too. Sorry they are awful people. I assume protest will flare up in US this week. Already had one in my home town today from what I hear. Solidarity...
We had the Occupy movement, and the rich still got so much richer that nobody can afford anything. We had George Floyd, and they took away DEI and want to deport non-whites. We protested Gaza and the still starved kids to death. Things look bad and it's not just here. It's worldwide.
The reason that Trump had to strong-arm American Universities and deport anti-zionist organizers is because the protests were working. People were paying attention and the government was coming off badly. Opinion on Zionism is at a multi-decade low in the US. When the Universities cracked down to appease Trump, the protests should have stepped up. Unfortunately for the world, they faded away. Protests are very effective - they have toppled governments all over the world, including the decades-long regimes of brutal dictators. If more Americans find the courage and will to protest and strike, Trump and MAGA can be stopped. They want you to believe that protest doesn't work.
During WW2 my grandparents lived a few villages away from a concentration camp. All those people in those villages and cities knew about it. They openly talked about it, like you do about wars and genocides your government perpetrates around the globe... but never did anything out of fear. After the war they all lied about not knowing what was happening in their neighborhood. Because they were afraid.
There is no worthy solidarity if you all are scared. Talk is cheap. The rest of the world has seen your complacency with the atrocities of both of your governments around the world for decades now. Trust me no one expects anything from US citizenry... just organize another Woodstock or some other dumb shit that does absolutely nothing to prevent anything and sleep well my little oppressed american communities.
1946-???
Wait Haiti, 1915-???
Certainly not exhaustive. Special ops are only one component of regime change!
I always forget Yugoslavia legally existed until 2006. But wasn't the depleted uranium bombing in 1999? Or do you mean Milosivec in 2000?
Won't be nearly that long.
You folks realize if China takes Taiwan, then the US is extremely fucked. They are going to get oil in Venezuela when we really need lithium and semiconductors. What a stupid move!
We have domestic sources of both in the US. This has been a long development process for a compromise between the US and China. However, TSMC is reliant on ASML for photolithography tech, so there is a two part effective monopoly in that supply chain, controlled by the Netherlands and Taiwan (and by proxy whoever influences the market destinations for that equipment). China could take Taiwan, but it would essentially only be capturing what would at that point be old tech.
And TSMC is rigged for scuttling, China would get rubble if the invasion isn't near instant
Are you saying because the new tech requires the multi laser interference to create parts smaller than the UV wave length? I'm a bit out of the loop in photolithography developments for the last 10 years.
If you're a living dinosaur whose best pedo-buddies own oil companies and you don't know anything about those pesky computers, this will seems like the best move you've ever made.
Good
The US doesn't exactly have the capacity to stop China from taking an island like 200 miles off their coast. They have been designing their entire military around this exact conflict for 75 years and have an entire branch if their military dedicated to missiles.
We do have the capacity to make it more expensive to invade than to simple peacefully reunify at an indeterminate time in the future, when the US is hopelessly behind and the PRC can offer an infinitely better deal (so good you can't refuse).
The only way the equation changes is if "eventual" peaceful reunification is ever off the table, or there's political instability that might cause the prc to be welcomed.
And he won't be on his throne in 2030 because... because what exactly?
Special Operation III
I saw that the TV stations are still broadcasting pro-Maduro stuff, I don't think the US is actually in control in Venezuela.
Sounds like they just went in, bombed some stuff, grabbed Maduro, and left
I don't really know though, only info I have is from reading the wikipedia page
imo the US' plan is: [1] destabilize Venezuela [2] "they are unstable and need intervention"
it sounds too obvious and stupid to be true; but I wouldn't put it past this admin
I'm completely flabbergasted by our actions. Apologies aren't enough to begin to address what we did, but I'm so sorry that my government has chosen to terrorize you and the people around you.
Yep the world doesn't feel safer. I am far from being informed enough to have a proper opinion on Maduro, and I have big doubts about the opposition as well. However I totally disagree with USA taking over anywhere. Hope you guys manage to find a few good leaders to see you through this mess.
Noem is already meming with Greenland draped in a US flag and Trump said Gistavo Petro has to watch his ass
No love lost for Maduro, but then none for Trump, Putin and on and on.. What' a shit show the US is.
A war in Greenland doesn't even make logistical sense. You would be fighting the only people that actually know how to deal with the cold.
All anyone would need to do is blow up the generators and it would be war over, because as far as I know the US military has not trained it's soldiers and how to survive having all their blood frozen. They were expecting the next major conflict to be in the middle East, not inside the Arctic circle.
Give it a few years and it'll be temperate there.
People I know who went to Afghanistan said the froze the balls off at night.
That"s what the military bases in Alaska are for.
All heads of state who are either turning a blind eye or openly celebrating this should bear this in mind: if they do the slightest thing to annoy the United States, they are next, and no one will help them.
But who will help the USA...
Colombia is more vulnerable but it hasn't developed a lobby like Venezuela and Cuba have.
Sheinbaum in Mexico and Lula in Brazil are later in the itinerary but they're going to be more difficult. Especially Brazil now that Bolsonaro is in jail.
Argentina - done.
Venezuela - in progress.
Cuba, Colombia, Haiti.
Then Greenland gets militarized but not fully invaded. Mexico gets police actioned in the rural areas but not fully invaded.
Brazil is the prize.
The rainforests would be toxic wastelands within a few years.
Everybody knew the USA could do this. And everybody knows they can't keep it for long.
Part of the usonians didn't want this. A non-irrelevant part actively voted for this, and another non-irrelevant part couldn't care enough to vote so indirectly allowed this.
And yet there won't be mass boycotts of gas stations, there won't be General strikes, there won't be 70 million Americans who claim to have voted against this out in the streets.
Your country voted for this and keeps these people in office. This is YOU.
The US has so many fucking guns that your kids have active shooter drills in kindergarten. If you didn't want this you would stop it.
Our country gerrymanders districts, purges voters, and makes last minute changes to voting id requirements and then allows groups of people to question the validity of your ballot and have it thrown out so it doesn't count. Our elections have not been the voice of the people for a long time, but the will of a party willing to sacrifice democracy to stay in power.
No country that isn’t fucking deranged holds random citizens accountable for the actions of a president they may not have even voted for, wtf are you even talking about.
We do understand that for generations you have justified your creepy little gun fixation by regaling us with what you would do to a repressive government.
The American people have unfortunately been stumped by the fact that using guns against the state has been made illegal and moreover is actually quite a dangerous and unpopular thing to do.
Somehow this little factoid didn't manage to pierce their unbelievably thick skulls when they were moaning about their "constitutional rights".
This is what bothers me the most about random folks, usually from an EU country, telling Americans we should just oust our shithead president through national strikes or violence and complain that we aren’t doing anything. The US is huge, what works in smaller European countries is vastly more difficult and expensive to organize and execute in the US. Those tactics do work here, but mostly at the local and state level which is akin to how they work in most EU countries when you adjust for population and size. At this level there is just not much an individual or small group can do. Even if my entire city and the surrounding area rose up together (which it wouldn’t since it’s politically mixed) it would have little to no impact. A million or two people just isn’t that much in a nation as large and diverse as the US. The entirety of California or Texas couldn’t appreciably move the needle in all reality and they are massive, wealthy states.
The same reason EU citizens haven’t been able to band together to fully and consistently leverage the combined power of their continent on the world stage is why Americans haven't been able to effectively organize and execute effective federal power changes.
I think it would be a fantastic idea for Europeans, and the rest of the world, to start actually considering what a violent, imperialist US means to their normal day-to-day and how they can best prepare to defend against it. I, and all those I choose to surround myself with, hate what our government is doing. We voted against it, give money and time to causes against it and to try to reduce harm where we can and help those impacted by it. Many of us would leave if we had the means to, but the reality is that leaving has its own risks, is surprisingly difficult and expensive, doesn’t guarantee where we end up will ultimately be better, and removes our ability to do anything here. Like most of life, reality is complex and messy, I just wish everyone could keep that in mind when condemning all Americans for the actions our government is taking.
In short, I am not my country, and while I fully accept that the world hates the US right now (and they should), personally hating every individual American and blaming us as specifically responsible is ignorant and inflammatory. It doesn’t help and just serves to depress and discourage action by those of us who do not support the actions of our government.
I said this on Reddit and will say here as well.
As an European, I have nothing against Americans as individuals that like us, are shocked and troubled to what is happening with your current Administration.
And generalising that all Americans should mobilise and fight against their government is not as straightforward as many people here think.
Like us, you guys have families, kids and pets that want to stay united and protect what is most important for you: your family.
But I do have issues with your government and those who support it.
I don’t trust your government, people that support it, your tech infrastructure or any company that aligns with this whole mess.
And that’s why I’m migrating everything to Europe. From cloud, to tech, to operating systems, to socials.
That’s why I just created my Lemmy account, and considering deleting Reddit.
I’m still stuck with Apple’s ecosystem, but will find a way to break free.
I’m a software developer and will start developing apps that will serve me and potentially others, but will be based in Europe and will not depend on others that in any moment can cut off the access just because…
That is quite literally not what I am saying, I’m saying that the real world is complex and not as easy as “Americans are fat and lazy and stupid and won’t do anything about their fascist imperialist federal regime that a sizable portion of the country apparently supported”.
What would you have the average American do that lives nowhere close to DC, needs a job to eat and have shelter, and likely lives somewhere where at least some portion of their neighbors support Trump and his cronies? Like if you have a real solution I’d love to hear it because just noting the a lot of Americans have guns isn’t helpful (which isn’t everyone for what it’s worth, not sure if you’ve been here but it’s not like folks walk around fully armed everywhere).
The US general strike movement estimates over 10.5 million people need to strike to have an effect, in a year they’ve gotten less than half a million to sign a strike card. Organizing over 10 million people is crazy difficult. We would need nearly the entire population of Sweden or Portugal, it’s more than the entire population of Greece or Austria. And that’s just 3.5% of the US population. My entire point is that it’s easy to sit behind a keyboard and blame Americans when you’re entire experience is a European country that needs to organize an opposition of maybe 2 million people, likely less than a million. The reality that Americans actually face is at least and order of magnitude more difficult. So blaming individuals as though all of us support what is happening and are to blame shows a lack of understanding. Many of us don’t like this any more than you do, and are doing what we can in our sphere of influence to change things, but it isn’t a simple situation to fix.
You won’t boycott the gas stations though will you.
I use gas as little as I can, literally fill my tank once every three months or so. I use solar on my house and adjust power usage to leverage green sources as much as I can. So don’t assume all Americans are cowboy boot wearing, giant truck driving, racist assholes who just want cheap gas. A nation this large is truly complex and full of unique people that wont fit your stereotypical trope.
Mucha fuerza desde España, todos aquí estamos con vosotros. Espero que puedas estar seguro y ojalá encontréis la fuerza para llegar a un futuro mejor pronto.
Como ciudadano de a pié haré toda la presión que pueda para que los gobiernos europeos encuentren sus huevos y se opongan de verdad a esta mierda
En España la gente está con la población venezolana, salvo dos o tres lamebotas de los usanos. Cuidaos mucho y ojalá la situación mejore.
Estados Unidos os ha invadido porque quiere vuestro petroleo, el resto le importa un bledo. Y esto no va de si Maduro es un dictador o no. Va de que a Trump le importa una mierda la gente y solo quiere petroleo y robar todo lo que pueda. Y a quien se le ponga por delante, se lo va a quitar del medio.
Mucha fuerza y mucho ánimo. Es una vergüenza terrible esto, y la Unión Europea diciendo poco menos que "thoughts and prayers". Deberían tener más valentía y condenar todos los gobiernos a una lo que está pasando en Venezuela.
Un abrazo y que todo os salga bien.
It's a lovely gesture, but it's really not the best time for furniture shopping.
Jajajajjajajajajajajjajajajajajajjajsjsjsjajajajajajaja buenísima esa de los países europeos oponiéndose a acciones militares estadounidenses
I am so sorry. I am in the third that hates Trump and I feel helpless.
That percentage has been shifting. Seeing a lot less trump flags out there. Like Mr Rogers said, look for the helpers. Maybe find a way to help yourself, too
You are just assuming I have done nothing. I have been calling out shit like this my whole adult life. Starting with Reagan I have spoke out and tried to get people to see why shit like this is wrong. This is the first time in my life I feel helpless. I have friends I thought were good people that back Trump even now. I don't know how to help anymore.
I concur. My country went from overt murder to kidnapping, and somehow that actually feels like an escalation. Kidnapping a head of state is...well it's a horror show.
They were already kidnapping all manner of Americans. We're just exporting our new-and-improved "freedom," as we are wont to do.
My apologies will never carry enough weight to balance against what our mistakes at home have done to affect you and your loved ones. Nonetheless, my heart goes out to you, and I apologize for what we've let happen.
They're literally part of the root of the problem.
Listen, you have to understand. We need the oil. These AI datacenters are not going to fuel themselves.
Obviamente estoy bromeando. Esta pendejada esta horrible y nadie se merece depertar en un estado de miedo y terror. Espero que todos los tuyos esten bien y perdonar my español de escuela primaria.
Truly nothing can make up for what has already happened. I am deeply sorry for the victims of our military and everyone else who lives in fear because of us. It never should have gotten here, and every American should one day reckon with our failure to enact change in time. I fear the day of that reckoning is coming close, and that it will not be voluntary any longer when it arrives
I must have seen the same thread/comments as you. Complete disbelief.
Will the Venezuelans resist or accept the US puppet dictatorship?
Something that everyone in my family has been saying for a long time is that Maduro is just the visible face of an entire movement. The Chavistas, those who followed Chávez even after his death, are a reality and an inescapable fact. THEY WILL NOT LEAVE PEACEFULLY.
And I don't mean that in a "positive" way. I'm talking about the fact that we can expect at least a civil war or a guerrilla situation like what happened in Colombia with the FARC. Because on the one hand, Maduro was not loved at all, but on the other, there's people that would rather die than let the gringos take power.
Ordinary people will be the collateral damage, as always.
Indeed, the last sentence in your 2nd paragraph sums it up. +1
Just guessing from the outside here, I doubt the fascist regime of 'murica actually has military left here that didn't fuck right off after they abducted Maduro. So unless there's also a Venezuelan coup going on, or an actual invasion is started, no one there will do as fascist murica desires.
Welcome to the regime change party.
Could probably count the number on countries on your hand that the USA hasn't attempted to intervene in.
Anyways, isn't the Venezuelan military also immediately at fault here? You don't just send a bunch of Chinooks into another country expecting zero resistance. Someone was onboard with a deal and let them in. I could be wrong, but it seems like the Air Force couldn't be convinced, hence the air strikes.
It's actually only unusual because they bothered to get directly involved. Maduro could have easily been couped and the US would pretend they had nothing to do with it.
That's something we've been discussing in my family. For us, it's a fact that Maduro was sold out, given the lack of resistance there was. What's more, the fact that they only took him and his wife and no one else from the Chavista leadership is like cutting off one head of a Hydra: it's useless if what you really want is to remove the Chavistas from power.
Something fishy (and probably anticlimactic) is happening.
My guess (as just some boring ol American) is that the US government has a belief - which may be realistic, or may be baseless - that they can remove Maduro and compromise whoever rises to power next into allowing US profiteering on Venezuelan natural resources.
The fact that they were able to just roll in and kidnap him with minimal resistance tells me that it's more likely to be realistic than baseless.
I don't think they would allow themselves to walk away with nothing, so if Venezuela does resist, I think the siege will continue. This is government, and particularly this administration, is based in fragile masculinity. They would rather kill innocent people than appear weak. Otherwise Pete Hegseth might not feel hot when he flexes in the mirror in the morning.
Gunboat diplomacy. Old American shit. Empire shit. We broke our "international law, defenders of democracy" propaganda machine by stretching it too far trying to defend the US-Israel holocaust in Palestine. Naked aggression is all that America has left - which may not feel like a weakening, but it is.
besides, maduro's govt is still in power, its just maduros gone, the VP will be the one to take over, even if not someone from maduros team would take over eventually.
Las dictaduras no tienen ideologia solo una excusa para oprimir. Aqui un dictador atacó a otro, solo espero que el pueblo no pague las consecuencias. Fuerza amigo que se puede salir de esta. Igualmente hay montones de Venezolanos que vinieron aca a Uruguay buscando mejor vida seguro encontras quien te ayude si te querés venir.
Las dictaduras no tienen ideologia solo una excusa para oprimir.
Coño, que cierto eso que dices. Estamos en una batalla entre Monstruos y demonios, a merced de las peores personas que puedes conocer en tu vida, no hay nadie que de verdad vele por el pueblo.
Muchas gracias por el apoyo. Si bien aun no lo considero y me duele en el alma el tan siquiera pensar en irme, es bueno saber que exista algún lugar al que ir si se amerita.
Yeah, Trump isn't the president you want doing regime change in your country. He's completely corrupt, and he's showing it in Venezuela - doesn't even mind leaving the old regime in place as long as he can get to your oil. Several orders of magnitude worse than Bush, and that's already pretty bad. I would expect him to try to work with the criminal syndicates in Venezuela and to try to come to an agreement with Russia and China for their influence in the region in exchange for giving them a blind eye to their own imperial goals elsewhere.
From the start he's been trying to side with the dictators of the world who want to divide it up under regions of control, and he has done everything to undermine diplomacy, soft power, and cooperation. The reason he does not prop up Machado is because he wants a despot, not democracy. It's no surprise, given he's one himself propped up by the richest people on Earth.
He sees himself as controlling all social networks on the planet and as such the narrative, controlling the supply to modern computing and as such all major industries everywhere, and controlling all the most advanced military weapons on the planet. His goal is to strong arm the entire planet while having more unstable and chaotic control over it all, a recipe for disaster on a global scale that will make the overabused concept of weapons of mass destruction end up seeming ironic.
Ana Corina Sosa Machado is lining up to take over and sell the whole country to the orange toddler, and I'm sure more vultures are also getting ready for the power grab, I'm really sorry for the situation you are all in , just don't expect any help from the international community, cause it simply doesn't exist, get ready for a stream of meaningless comments and maybe a couple of press conferences, they already accepted the reality of the situation and accepted their absolute castration
The traitor of Machado was already scrapped from Trumps plans, So we're at the mercy of whatever Cheeto-Hitler says.
I really hope this a at least a bit of good news, but I just read that he announced the US will be running Venezuela (as if it's a seven eleven) until they organise a transition of power (aka) a find new traitor. https://financialpost.com/...
She won the prize over him and he will never forgive that. Fucking clowns are about to be reminded about how fascism works. You're only part of the in group until you're not. Then you're dead.
Tienes todo mi apoyo amigo. Espero que puedes sobrevivir estos momentos traumaticos. Soy estadounidense pero de raices cubanas. Solidaridad con Venezuela y todo latinoamerica! 🇨🇺 🤝 🇻🇪
We will resist this. There are people resisting this in your country and people resisting this in ours.
Hi, u/NONE_dc, I can tell you this is actually infuriating from my perspective, even though I'm in the State of Pennsylvania in the US. I didn't hear anything about this attack taking place until early this morning after I woke up, and I have not been feeling myself all day since I have been feeling anxious, which it may possibly be due to the attack in Venezuela. I also don't care about Maduro either, but it has me wondering what the world is coming to. Furthermore, I was trying to find out what is going to happen next via MS NOW, but the feed I have from that channel is currently freezing from time to time, so I'm stuck with the NBC News feed instead.
I didn't know until I woke up either. People in US were not aware (I'm in Southern US.) It's scary and absolutely a terrible way to get something done. Maduro was a bad man as far as I've heard, but being taken over by a shittier guy is worse. I guess maybe if we find out Maduro had sex with children, he'll be qualified to run for president of the US. Someone help us all.
I’m in the State of Pennsylvania in the US
Hello from Philly. 👀 (yes i know its like midnight, cant sleep xD)
Hope you and yours manage to stay safe man.
Me quedo con la duda de si el Trompas instaló a su propia marioneta como presidente. Estamos muy preocupados por ustedes desde acá de México. No hay nada por concreto aún, pero sospecho que seríamos los siguientes si siguen con su terrorismo contra Colombia y le dan golpe al Estado. Todos mis conocidos estuvieron hablando de esto hoy, pero aún no se percatan del peligro que todos corremos.
América Latina necesita juntar fuerzas y prepararse para lo peor. Les deseo todo lo mejor y recuerden que si pueden escapar hay opciones, incluyendo México.
Muchaa gracias. Yo la verdad rezo porque las cosas no vayan a peor y que de verdad le paren los píes a Trump. Porque de lo contrario, todo el continente ¡Carajo, todo el mundo está a su merced! "Macron me vio feo ayer, haganle como a Maduro", "Milei ya no me causa gracia, apliquenle la de Maduro".
Apparently, dancing to an electronic beat and appealing to peace gets an alpha strike from the United States.
The Yes Paz videos allegedly were the tipping point for invasion.
Don’t worry, this is the United States in the death throes of its imperial supremacy. We are flaming out.
Unfortunately some flames burn brightest and are the most destructive before they are finally snuffed out.
I am so sorry for what America has done to you and your country. I am filled with a remorse so deep it is if I was the one who your friends, family members and neighbors fear. Never had I dreamed that the country of the free would turn down the path of war.
A lot of people in your country think things will be better under Trump. They're in for a rude awakening when they start shooting people opposed in the streets because they simply do not care about you as a people.
Maduro and Trump are friends
Maduro gets to escape his country and save face instead of being assassinated or executed.
Trump gets to manufacture a conflict so he can start martial law and become a dictator
Trump doesn't have friends.
Trump has parasites who take advantage of his stupidity, narcissism, and pettiness, and now also his dementia. And I suppose at some point, before he was so far gone, he might have had marks he was talking advantage of.
He's psychologically incapable of friendship; he'll betray anyone without a second thought the instant they're no longer of benefit to him, or someone convinces him to, which these days doesn't take much effort.
And he'll die before (knowingly) helping anyone for free.
If he can't give Trump something shiny enough, Maduro is fucked, no matter how much of a friend he might believe him to be.
so, do you still think this is "far from improving", now that hundreds of political prisoners are being released en masse and torture centers are being shut down? do you really think the purpose of military patrols was to prevent looting??
What do you think the Acting President of Venezuela Delcy Rodríguez (who served as Maduro’s Vice President)? Do you think she would do a better job than Maduro? With her running the country now, is there any hope for a less corrupt regime in Venezuela? I think there is.
I don't trust any of the Chavistas one bit, but the right thing to do would be to call elections. Our constitution states that, in the event of the absolute absence of the head of state, the vice president must call elections within 30 days.
But that would mean that the Chavistas would have to participate, and Trump has said that he will not allow the Chavistas to take power, Chavistas will NEVER give up power peacefully, so Delcy may take power de facto, which would put her in a much more tense situation in which it doesn't matter how corrupt she is, because: 1) It's unconstitutional, 2) The US would attack again.
So it doesn't matter.
She's not going to run the country for long. Mango Hitler already said that he's taking control of the country.
Clearly, Maduro's administration failed to address the issues that adherents to "socialism of the 21st century" claim have failed to address in socialism of the 20th century. That's why we need Democratic Marxism.
Sadly, Chávez was the best and the only option at the time. And for a while, it seemed like it was the right choice, things were working. My childhood was so good that there was a point where I wondered why people hated Chávez so much if, in my eyes, he was "doing things right."
Now I know why.
Chávez came with a promise of change, then he die and took that promise with him, leaving us with... nothing.
I don’t care about Maduro, as far as I’m concerned, they can shoot him if they want.
First they came for the Communists and I said nothing...
Maduro isn't a Communist, none of the current Chavistas is, they aren't even true "Socialist", the last one was Chavez and he die.
The real communist party of Venezuela, PCV was botched by the Chavistas, turning it in a mere shadow of its former self, a really sad thing to see from one of the oldest parties of my country.
Maduro and the current Chavistas aren't just a disgrace for the Left as a whole but also the legacy of Chavez, which wasn't the best, but at least he DID SOMETHING more than perpetuate his power while alive.
The real communist party of Venezuela, PCV was botched by the Chavistas, turning it in a mere shadow of its former self, a really sad thing to see from one of the oldest parties of my country.
Its "former self" was trash. It collapsed because it broke the law.
Maduro isn’t a Communist, none of the current Chavistas is, they aren’t even true “Socialist”
The Mission system of a fully public state financed planned economy is about as explicitly socialist as economies come.
The real communist party of Venezuela, PCV
It is the oldest active political party in Venezuela, and was the country's main leftist party until it fractured into rival factions in 1971. In 2023, the Party split again on the issue of support or opposition to the government of Nicolás Maduro
So... the party of real communists, many of whom support Maduro... they're not going to be targeted for assassination now that Maduro's gone, right?
at least he DID SOMETHING more than perpetuate his power while alive.
Real piece of shit for maintaining power rather than handing it over to the reactionaries.
Why couldn't Maduro be more like a real hero, Allende?
The Mission system of a fully public state financed planned economy is about as explicitly socialist as economies come.
None of that is actually happening? Despite the "supposedly" socialist government, private companies have gained greater power over how the economy is run and, more importantly, over workers. In recent years, Maduro's government has been actively working against workers.
So... the party of real communists, many of whom support Maduro... they're not going to be targeted for assassination now that Maduro's gone, right?
Assassinated by whom? Trump? Maybe, I don't know. They might wipe out all the parties that align themselves with the left, which would be almost all the historical parties such as the PCV and Acción Democrática.
Real piece of shit for maintaining power rather than handing it over to the reactionaries.
Okay, I admit I expressed myself poorly. What I meant to say was: Chávez did much more for the country than just perpetuate his power, unlike Maduro. Much of what he did, however, was built on sand, which meant that when he died, everything collapsed the moment Maduro took power.
What Maduro and his entourage have been doing is trying to keep a sinking ship afloat.
And i don't want Maduro to be like Allende, but he could at least have been more like Chávez, and then we wouldn't be in this mess.
None of that is actually happening?
Misión Barrio Adentro is, what? A figment of the imagination of millions of people?
4.6M homes built by the GMVV aren't real?
You might as well deny the existence of the US Post Office.
Oh, I see, so it's actually "first they came for the communists and I cheered rabidly"
Well, I didn't cheered. No one in my city dis. Not a single soul in the streets where happy. Not even the opposition people that overly hates Maduro and Chavistas.
We are terrified and appalled.
Installed by Donald Trump? Are you stupid?
a Coup, or removal to install a colonial-backed dictator never ends well. look at iran and the shah, thats why the islamic revolution happened.
One doesnt participate in that game unless they are corrupt.
Get out while you can, American occupations don't leave anything behind but atrocities.
It's easier said than done. And where would we go? Years of Venezuelan immigration to other countries have created animosity towards us. They hate us in Chile, Peru, Argentina, Spain, Colombia...
It's going to seem like the easiest thing ever compared to what you are dealing with in 18 months.
How is it possible you have this in your bio:
“You don’t get what you dream about… You get what you strive for step by step!” Atsuko “Akko” Kagari (Little Witch Academia, 2017)
Then you post something like this.
People are cheering in the street: https://t.me/c/1301972598/533660
People are cheering as the dictators poster is torn down: https://files.ikt.id.au/hwdeza.MP4
Your opposition leader who has been fighting for democracy has said:
‘US fulfilled its promise’: Venezuela oppn leader Maria Corina Machado on Nicolas Maduro ‘capture’
“It's TIME FOR FREEDOM! Venezuelans, starting today, Nicolás Maduro faces international justice for the heinous crimes committed against Venezuelans and citizens of many other nations. Given his refusal to accept a negotiated solution, the United States government has fulfilled its promise to enforce the law. The time has come for popular sovereignty and national sovereignty to rule in our country. We are going to bring order, free political prisoners, build an exceptional country, and bring our children back home,” Machado said in a statement in Spanish published on X.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/...
This is your opportunity to get what you strive for step by step and you are already blowing it.
Except this is not done to help Venezuela, this has been done to steal their oil. The pedopresident already said he's taking control of the country "until things improve".
Tell that to Afghanistan and Irak, I'm pretty sure they are doing extremely well after their respective usonian liberation...
both of those countries got what they wanted, usa out and taliban in
if Venezuelans want freedom and democracy they’ll still need to fight for it, not assume the us will hang around forever
or to quote the op “You don’t get what you dream about… You get what you strive for step by step!”
It's not oil that is cheap or easy to get. A lot of it is tar sands and very sour crude that is dangerous to process. I dont think the US companies that want to get in there necessarily will quickly because of the infrastructure needed to even get it.
This seems more like a politically motivated regime change pushed from someone like Marco Rubio. Maybe Cuba will be next.
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It's bullshit and I don't understand why our Congress is letting him do this. It's unjustified and illegal.
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