Mama!

7 months ago by fossilesque to c/science_memes

Zwiebel 98 points 7 months ago

Uhhm guyss shes just taking us around the galaxy

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shneancy 54 points 7 months ago

and where is the galaxy taking us then?

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IrateAnteater 76 points 7 months ago

To visit/fistfight the Andromeda galaxy.

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NaibofTabr 50 points 7 months ago

to the Great Attractor

Through a series of peculiar velocity tests, astrophysicists found that the Milky Way was moving in the direction of the constellation of Centaurus at about 600 km/s. [citation needed] Then, the discovery of cosmic microwave background (CMB) dipoles was used to reflect the motion of the Local Group of galaxies towards the Great Attractor.[8] The 1980s brought many discoveries about the Great Attractor, such as the fact that the Milky Way is not the only galaxy impacted. Approximately 400 elliptical galaxies are moving toward the Great Attractor beyond the Zone of Avoidance caused by the Milky Way galaxy light.

We're actually traveling with a lot of friends through the immeasurable heavens.

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SlackerPreface57 10 points 7 months ago path: 0 21519478 21520016 21520902 21526366, hotness: undefined, score: 10, children: 2
NaibofTabr 5 points 7 months ago

I'll try spinning! that's a good trick!

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boonhet 3 points 7 months ago

Oh god now there's a new thing I want to read

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ivanafterall 6 points 7 months ago

Not sure I like the sound of that.

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metallic_z3r0 8 points 7 months ago

It's ok, the universe is expanding faster than the Milky Way can be attracted.

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NaibofTabr 6 points 7 months ago

but it's so attractive

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FilthyShrooms 17 points 7 months ago

To the Andromeda Galaxy

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Una 12 points 7 months ago

Andromeda and Milky way might marry each other and become one flesh and one soul like Jesus Christ intended it to be.

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SkunkWorkz 3 points 7 months ago

And we either won’t be invited to the wedding or we will be left behind at the wedding venue.

(When the two galaxies merge we either won’t notice it except seeing the stars dancing in the night’s sky or the planets of our solar system will be flung out of orbit and turning Earth into a rogue planet.)

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AngryCommieKender 1 point 7 months ago

Fun fact, the two galaxie's outer dust clouds are already touching.

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FilthyShrooms 2 points 7 months ago

😳

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0ops 69 points 7 months ago

Sun: "Hey, do you want toooo... go for a walk?"

Planets: go apeshit

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ivanafterall 8 points 7 months ago

Based on how Earth is doing, she might be taking us to the big farm upstate. :(

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flying_sheep 10 points 7 months ago

Earth is fine, it's seen worse than humanity. Geology doesn't care about what biology does.

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Artemis_Mystique 5 points 7 months ago

We can make it care, just got to tell old donny up in the whitehouse that something doesn't care about his wishes.

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Noite_Etion 48 points 7 months ago

And like all good mothers one day she will grow into a red giant, engulfing her children and obliterating all life on earth.

That is the true meaning of mothers day ❤️

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ZombieMantis 42 points 7 months ago

Did everyone forget about the galaxy? It's also a giant circle, and the sun orbits it like we orbit the sun.

Perhaps the real question should be "Where is the Galaxy taking us?"

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ameancow 48 points 7 months ago
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rmuk 29 points 7 months ago

But you're still coming in to work, right?

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wibble 9 points 7 months ago

Not if it's Thursday. I work from home Thursday

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Unbecredible 11 points 7 months ago

Oh no you zoomed out to far and triggered the weird sensation. How bizarre it all is!! To know these things as little ape creatures. So small as to barely exist in a lake of space and an ocean of time. Whywhywhyhowwhyhowhowhow is any of this real???

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ameancow 12 points 7 months ago
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jivandabeast 7 points 7 months ago

So what you're saying is, we're all just REALLY good factorio runs

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Spaniard 5 points 7 months ago path: 0 21522119 21523162 21534146, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 2
Buddahriffic 2 points 7 months ago

Interesting article but it's sad to see that website using dark patterns like subscribe popups and fucking with the back button.

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Spaniard 1 point 7 months ago

I don't know between the firewall, pihole and ublock I don't see ads anywhere, not even the amazon ads.

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SethTaylor 4 points 7 months ago

Knowing there's no chance imaginable of being able to witness all this is so depressing... My death anxiety feeds on thoughts like this.

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mnemonicmonkeys 3 points 7 months ago

On the plus side, we live at a time where we can still observe the cosmic microwave background radiation and total solar eclipses.

Since the moon's orbit grows by 3" every year, after a few million years it'll be far enough away that it won't completely eclipse the sun anymore.

And in a billion year's time, the CMB will be redshifted so far into deep radio wavelengths that it'll be impossible to observe

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humanspiral 2 points 7 months ago

First thank you for filling in OP's coverup of Mama's intentions.

We will merge, in a series of passes through each other, with almost no stars actually colliding

So then, we're just going for a ride to a farm upstate :(

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Thorry 12 points 7 months ago

Fun fact, we do not just orbit the galaxy in a circle, we also have a motion perpendicular to that circle. We oscillate up and down through the plane of the Milky Way. The Milky Way is super thin, like super ultra thin. If the Milky Way were a pancake, it would only be the thickness of a sheet of paper, a sad pancake indeed. However in terms of human scales it is still huge, so we have a large way to travel. Our galactic orbit is tilted as compared to the galactic plane, so throughout the cosmic year we move up and down as compared to the center. A motion of 100-200 light year, so pretty big. That orbit also has procession, so we move through different parts.

The galaxy itself is also moving, although at that scale it's easier to think of the galaxy to be stationary and other galaxies moving towards or away from us. In general we are all moving towards a galaxy cluster known as "The Great Attractor" as it is the most massive (except for your mom).

It's also often forgotten that our sun isn't the only star moving in the galaxy. All of the stars orbit the galaxy in a lot of different orbits. And some don't orbit at all, instead moving with escape velocity (or faster) to get flung outside of our galaxy. Some have their own orbit in companion dwarf galaxies that in turn orbit our own galaxy. It's easy to think of a galaxy as a fixed thing, with all the stars in the same place moving together like on a disk. But this isn't the case at all, stars aren't bound together and can follow their own path. Over time their relative positions change and the constellations we know won't exist anymore.

The structures we see in galaxies like spiral arms for example are only structures in the same way a wave in the ocean is a structure. It is clearly a thing that exists, with properties we can at least somewhat constrain (like size for example). But the water inside that wave is just water like everywhere else. At one point it's part of the wave and then at some point it no longer is. It's the same for stars, sometimes part of a structure, other times not (although it gets complicated quickly if you dig into the details)

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ivanafterall 6 points 7 months ago

That's called a crepe and they are DELICIOUS.

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Wav_function 5 points 7 months ago

Praise skycrepe

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RedSnt 6 points 7 months ago

As far as I know we're headed toward another galaxy. Luckily we'll all by long gone by the time that collision happens.

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ThatGuy46475 3 points 7 months ago

The galaxy is taking us to see its friend

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Illogicalbit 1 point 7 months ago

Now do the local group and super clusters! The universe is wild!

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scala 23 points 7 months ago path: 0 21524303, hotness: undefined, score: 23, children: 16
wonderingwanderer 6 points 7 months ago

There's also no reason to believe that expansion isn't happening in a spheroid pattern. The big bang wouldn't have been like a blunderbuss, more like a naval mine suspended in the abyss, exploding in all directions.

For that matter, did the big bang ever cease, or has it continued to spew out new energy, and we're just so inconceivably far out that our entire observable universe is just one small section of a relatively narrow range of distance from the center?

Lastly, if the big bang is like a faucet, what if black holes are like drains in a tub, or in other words wormholes leading back to whatever realm everything came from before being spewed out by the big bang?

Everything in the universe is cyclical; there's no way something doesn't complete the circuit, even if it's just a big crunch.

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Donkter 10 points 7 months ago

This model does assume the big bang happened in a spheroid pattern. It's just flattened to add time as an axis from left to right cause you couldn't represent time otherwise.

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flying_sheep 1 point 7 months ago

The big bang didn't happen in a pattern, it happened everywhere at once: https://nasaspacenews.com/...

The universe expanding means it gets sparser. It has no edge and no center, so it's not spherical. It's either infinite or repeating (e.g. it might be the surface of a 4D torus, but as said: that doesn't imply an edge). I personally believe it's infinite and not repeating.

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Donkter 3 points 7 months ago

Yeah which is what this model is trying to represent. That the big bang occured at a central point in time, not space.

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wonderingwanderer 0 points 7 months ago

You could represent time as the distance from center to circumference, although that wouldn't be as readily comprehensible at a glance. It's more like the image just shows a chunk out of that sphere

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flying_sheep 1 point 7 months ago

There's also no reason to believe that the big bang happened at one “point”. I believe that the universe (and therefore the big bang) are infinite.

Everything is relative, so something infinite can still expand: since there's no absolute speed, galaxies can move away from each other everywhere, at all times.

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Buddahriffic 1 point 7 months ago

The idea is that the big bang started as a singularity, where everything had the same position as far as our 3d space is concerned, and then the difference in position arose as a consequence of it. Maybe space (as we know it) didn't exist before, maybe it did but collapsed, or maybe there was "other" space but this space we're in popped into existence. Same thing with time and perhaps some other dimensions.

So it did happen everywhere (where everywhere is just everywhere inside this universe), but it was a single point at that moment.

Though I suspect it was inside another universe and that our big bang singularity was just another black hole forming in that universe and we're seeing the mystery of what happens beyond the event horizon when gravity overpowers all other forces. Our familiar forces could just be the next set of rules physics for small things (from the perspective of the parent universe) after gravity overcomes the dominant ones in that universe. Which could mean that all black holes are tunnels to other universes (that we can't visit but the matter that makes us could, though it would probably be something else once it did, like an entire galaxy cluster).

Then the CMB might just be light that entered our universe from the parent one, redshifted like crazy (plus other optical gravitational effects, like any light that enters will appear brighter in one direction but coming from all directions to some extent).

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flying_sheep 1 point 7 months ago

That's pretty cool sci-fi!

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wonderingwanderer 1 point 7 months ago

The geometry of explosions says otherwise. An explosion implies expansion outward from a center. If every point in space exploded at once, there would be nowhere for anything to expand, thus creating compressive forces.

You would have to zoom out really really far, beyond the boundaries of the explosion, to see the forces expanding beyond that. And at that point, it's just the Big Bang, only on a larger scale, and with the singularity being really a vast space seen from a much larger scale.

To illustrate, one speck of C4 explodes in an outward direction, but put a million specks of C4 together into a continuous block, and it still explodes in an outward direction. It's not a million tiny explosions all taking place within the space of the block.

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flying_sheep 1 point 7 months ago

No, there's no center and no edge, the big bang happened everywhere at once. The universe might be finite, but only in the sense that it's looping back on itself, not in the sense that it can possibly be a sphere (which has both center and edge). So your mental model of an explosion in 3D space doesn't fit: https://nasaspacenews.com/...

Metaphors like this at helpful for approaching understanding, but you can't extrapolate from them. There was no 3D space in which the big bang occurred, “nothing” is not the same as “a patch of vacuum in spacetime”. An explosion doesn't start as dimensionless singularity, it starts with the matter that explodes. And so on.

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MrShankles 2 points 7 months ago

I'ma have to come back to that. Aware of the concept, but not have much driven to the core concept. Little too tired to read, but thanks friend

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scala 1 point 7 months ago path: 0 21524303 21527345 21539480, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
stiffyGlitch 1 point 7 months ago

I read "Dark energy" and immediately thought of Voldie the wart (Voldemort)

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Zink 15 points 7 months ago

Fun, fun, we skip along together!

Swirling towards the center...

Where there is no pain and we are truly together, forever.

...

Eat at Arby's

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MrShankles 4 points 7 months ago

May I have a point of reference?

Edit: in all seriousness, looking for the point of poignancy

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EightLeggedFreak 6 points 7 months ago

There was a twitter account that went by nihilistic arby's and they posted stuff like this.

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MrShankles 2 points 7 months ago

Thanks! Also, like your usrname :)

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stiffyGlitch 1 point 7 months ago

I saw that once and thought that it was an actual jingle for an Arby's commercial x_x

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 1 point 7 months ago

burma shave

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Liz 12 points 7 months ago

It's my understanding that the specific direction on this relative motion graphic is just made-up, but it does do a good job of reminding people that we're orbiting the galactic center.

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StellarExtract 3 points 7 months ago

I'd love to know what the actual direction currently looks like though

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anzo 0 points 7 months ago

AFAIK, the problem is that we don't even know with certsinty the shape of the universe. Let alone find out anything outside our own cosmos...

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scala 0 points 7 months ago path: 0 21520686 21521650 21522919 21524335, hotness: undefined, score: 0, children: 0
ZkhqrD5o 11 points 7 months ago

The fun stops when you find out about Sagittarius A.

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ivanafterall 1 point 7 months ago

Not necessarily. I like to think I'm pretty resilient.

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DeathByBigSad 11 points 7 months ago

I mean its kinda terrifying when you think about it from the perspective of someone who grew up in an abusive household

"You will never leave my control"

Either you get tossed to the curb by mom and you are cold and alone after being so used to the warmth and the plant is dead (flung out of orbit), or get murdered by her (red giant... engulf the system)

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Tyrq 5 points 7 months ago

User name checks out

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AngryCommieKender 3 points 7 months ago

There's a third option, but it may still lead to option 1 eventually. We invent starlifting, and keep our sun "young," while also having the added benefit of strapping a solar thrusters to her so we can steer the solar system.

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Tolookah 10 points 7 months ago

That's not Mama, that's our son!

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sharkfucker420 10 points 7 months ago

The sun is not a sweet mother, he is armed with the great serpent Xiuhcoatl and demands the hearts of our enemies.

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panda_abyss 7 points 7 months ago

Does the sun actually travel in a straight line, or do the orbits of the planets wobble it, and to what extent?

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rImITywR 13 points 7 months ago

Everything in the solar system (even the Son) orbit around the center of mass of everything in the solar system. This epicenter is just outside of the Son, on the side that Jupiter is. So the Son wobbles by a little bit more than 1 of its radii.

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MagicShel 9 points 7 months ago

Sun, I am disappoint.

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mnemonicmonkeys 2 points 7 months ago

This epicenter is just outside of the Son

*Sometimes. The other planets can counterbalance Jupiter's effect on the barycenter to pull it back into the surface of the Sun.

Also, it's Sun, not Son

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rImITywR 1 point 7 months ago

barycenter

That's the word I couldn't remember.

Also, it’s Sun, not Son

Yeah, I don't know how I messed that up 3 times. I think my brain was stuck between calling it the Sun and Sol. Also the mama and son/sun puns in this thread.

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tomiant 7 points 7 months ago

I am under the impression that straight lines don't really exist in the Universe.

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scala 1 point 7 months ago

They don't. There is new research where the universe is constantly expanding, while we are traveling in an orbit around the sun, the universe is exponentially expanding, growing outward kinda like a reversed funnel.

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wonderingwanderer 1 point 7 months ago

More like outward from the center of a sphere

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Alcoholicorn 4 points 7 months ago

Juipiter's orbit wobbles it, as others said, the barycenter of the system is outside the sun's radius, but the scale of the planets vs their orbits is so great such a small wobble is imperceptable if you can see multiple orbits.

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wonderingwanderer 3 points 7 months ago

I think the graph shows relative position of the planets from the sun, so the straight line is just a baseline.

Like if you jump up and down on a plane, and the graph just shows you moving a couple of feet up and down rather than including the entire altitude change of the plane itself

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Oisteink 1 point 7 months ago

Yeah - you’re onto it. Relative to what?

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Gladaed 6 points 7 months ago

The sun is literally having zero part in this. We would still circle around the galaxy in the same way without her. Only orbits would change a bit.

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Siethron 1 point 7 months ago

Really? We're pretty far from galactic center, if we didn't have the Gas Giants wouldn't Earth eventually escape galactic orbit with it's low relative mass?

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Gladaed 1 point 7 months ago

No. The moon wouldn't suddenly book it either if the sun disappeared, would it? Or more in line with the example: the moon would not suddenly leave the solar system if the earth disappeared.

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Siethron 1 point 7 months ago

Never said suddenly. Eventually.

Also I think a more apt comparison would be if the ISS would leave the solar system if the earth stopped. Since the sun is 333,000 times more massive than the earth and the moon is only 1/80 the mass of the earth. Not sure if the moon would escape the solar system but it would definitely be yeeted a ways out of Earth's orbit. Since the earth disappearing basically forces an orbital slingshot maneuver. The ISS would probably escape the solar system if it didn't encounter the Gas Giants.

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Gladaed 1 point 7 months ago

Go look up the cosmic velocities. The ISS does about 8kms ie. It will actually leave. Unless it hits something on the way.

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zen 6 points 7 months ago

What if Sol is not our Mama, but our Pied Piper? 🎺

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NaibofTabr 6 points 7 months ago

Probably true for Pluto.

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WhyIHateTheInternet 3 points 7 months ago

🤞

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expatriado 5 points 7 months ago

i see, that's why the ecliptic and the milky way don't align on the sky

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hesh 5 points 7 months ago

Just a loop around Sag A*

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stiffyGlitch 5 points 7 months ago

ok! time for all those years of science to finally pay off:

Would you still love "her" if you knew that, every single second, thousands of waves of extreme radiation from the Sun, traveling at a million light-years per millisecond, hits our planet's atmosphere? These waves slowly erode one of the only protections that we have against the Sun. But don't worry, this planet has several more tricks up -- and under -- the crust of the Earth. The iron core of the earth emits a geomagnetic field that extends into space, creating a region called the magnetosphere. This magnetosphere blocks most of the Sun's deadly rays, deflecting them back into space.

(also I didn't get this off of Google. I just have a really good memory. also I added the bolded words)

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xthexder 13 points 7 months ago

traveling at a million light-years per millisecond

You're only off by a factor of about 30 quadrillion.

Light (famously a type of radiation), takes 1 year to travel a light-year, hence the name.

If you want to make it sound impressive, then astronomical units aren't the right choice. The sun is only 1 AU away from us after all.

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boonhet 4 points 7 months ago

A million lightmicroseconds every second

Fixed that for them

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stiffyGlitch 0 points 7 months ago

Ok. Wasn't trying to make it sound impressive, just trying to say that the sun is sharting radiation at us.

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massacre 7 points 7 months ago

million light-years per millisecond

Gonna need a citation on that one! ;)

kidding aside, Mars is a great example of what will happen to Earth should our core stop generating our magnetic field. Also... Auroras!

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stiffyGlitch 1 point 7 months ago

Yes! The Auroras are the result of the Sun's rays that were rebounded and sent to both of the poles. Also, I don't know the exact speed, but its really reeeeeaaaaalyyyyy fucking fast. Like, my brain can't even fathom how fast it is. I can't imagine the scientists that study this every single day think. Are they like "oh shit the sun is just about to shart some deadly fucking radiation time to do some science to make it stop" I am actually convinced that science is magic, and every scientist that ever lived had to say some oath to never tell people that they're wizards. Meanwhile we're like "oh ok they have this tool that looks like a medieval torture device they either must be really smart or stole that from a museum or time-traveled and yoinked that shit and brought it back here"

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Zamboni_Driver 4 points 7 months ago

Um, yes because without those waves plants wouldn't grow and we wouldn't be alive.

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peetabix 2 points 7 months ago

If those deadly rays are getting reflected back into space, how do astronauts protect themselves against it? Is the ISS beneath the magnetosphere?

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ContriteErudite 5 points 7 months ago

On the side of the Earth facing the sun, the magnetosphere extends about 40,000km into space. On the side facing away from the sun, the solar wind stretches the magnetosphere into a tail that extends well beyond the Moon's orbit. The ISS orbits at an altitude of about 400km; it is well within the magnetosphere.

Because it is above the majority of the atmosphere (and also because it just barely passes through the lowest part of the Van Allen radiation belts), astronauts in the ISS are exposed to higher levels of radiation. However, the ISS has shielding specifically designed to minimize radiation, and astronauts living there are considered to be within safe levels of exposure.

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stiffyGlitch 0 points 7 months ago

I don't know. science, I guess?

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Sam_Bass 4 points 7 months ago

To saggitariusA

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SkaveRat 4 points 7 months ago

I don't want to go there. I heard it sucks

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Sam_Bass 4 points 7 months ago

Unfortunately, you're not driving

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Midnitte 4 points 7 months ago

Isn't this what Sepiroth wanted to do woth Jenova?

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SethTaylor 4 points 7 months ago

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MrShankles 1 point 7 months ago

Warp 11?

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DarkFuture 4 points 7 months ago

Mama knows how we behave. She's taking us to the nearest galactic playground where she'll abandon us.

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dejected_warp_core 3 points 7 months ago

While I've never seen it illustrated until now, I thought it was kind of obvious that this is our reality from outside our solar system. Is it not?

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Pika 9 points 7 months ago

Many people never give it a thought and just stick to the model of solar system itself. So, planets move in a circle, forever and ever...right?

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BanMe 3 points 7 months ago

IDK sometimes it feels like everything is just gonna explode one day

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tomiant 3 points 7 months ago

Hey, that's the same path my life is taking!

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MonkderVierte 3 points 7 months ago

It's all oscillations.

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GrammarPolice 2 points 7 months ago

Wait a minute... We're moving?

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Siethron 2 points 7 months ago

Always have been.

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FilthyShrooms 1 point 7 months ago

We're going in a circle, I like to imagine it like a parent driving around the block to put their kid to sleep

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