Alone, you are out-manned and out-gunned. Community is probably the best bet as bullies rely on uneven strength for their confidence. They're untrained and want an easy target. Don't give them it

2A. What it was intended for.

Unless you're actually breaking the law and they're not fake cops. In that instance you're the asshole.

First, contact as many people as you can, especially local ICE watch orgs. A lot have hotlines which you may be able to find with a web search. Next start recording. Delay as long as possible. Ask for a warrant, stay calm and maybe try to negotiate as a stall tactic. This will hopefully give community members time to arrive and record or hopefully apply pressure if they are brave and numerous enough. It is possible to intimidate and drive them back with enough numbers.

All else fails at this point I would not fight back and allow yourself to be arrested. Most citizens being arrested right now are being released. The courts are slow but still upholding the law for now. If you are not a citizen then your options might not be as good. Fighting back is likely to get you injured or killed but if you have an escape route it could be worthwhile, especially if you can escape in areas where motor vehicles can't go. Their level of fitness is generally low so they can't give chase for long, and as long as you're not high profile you might be safe once you get away, though you'll likely need to lie low somewhere.

If you're asking what to do about the current political situation in a broader sense then I have different answers.

I think groups of openly armed citizens patrolling the streets would be a huge deterrent to ICE. These guys are violent bullies when they operate against unarmed people, but I doubt they are willing to mess with a mass of armed defenders.

But if the military continues to go along with Trump then this just may escalate things.

There are four boxes of liberty. The soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammo box. Use them in that order

I'm from Denmark, and reading this thread is really scary. What the hell is going on over there?

Imo; fuck them pigs.

If they are in your home and you are at gun point, all you can do is play along and pray. Anyone saying otherwise is beating their chest or stupid.

If you were armed and responded with force, they will kill you. Period. Even if you manage to take down the initial force, you're not leaving that house alive.

We need to do so many more things before the "they're in my house with guns" stage.

Start by getting to know your neighbors. For real. If they are all right leaning, move. Surround yourself with like-minded people. Build mutual aid networks. They are far less likely to enter your neighbor's home if you're sheltering there, for example.

Have contingency plans on top of contingency plans. For example: you have a best case scenario fleeing plan. Decide where you're going (ideally another country). Build out your time line, work on making it happen. Then plan less ideal ones all the way down to your "Anne Frank" plan. Who can you hide with long term?

For the Anne Frank scenario; what are your insurgency skills? You don't have to be a fighter to be useful to your community. Learn, hone, and practice the skills that make you valuable to yourself and others.

Use your gun.

Don't have one? Get one.

Can't get one? Make one.

I'm in rural Cheshire in the UK, so first of all I'd be very surprised.

You excerise your rights provided to you by the constitution. Have a lawyer and video tape everything you can and fuck it do it live.

Any and all kind of organizing are good. Don't reinvent the wheel- find people who are already somewhat organized and go there and LISTEN. They will be less privileged than you but if you go in there humbly and say you're a dumb shit and should have listened to them way way earlier then maybe things will work out. The elephant in the room is that you never cared about their lives and you obviously need help now, but you'll be surprised how compassionate people can be. This is also a pretty good list.

I’m from a suburb of Minneapolis. Civil engagement is a good way to go. Recent events (shootings) got people to get our city council to figure out what they could do for gun safety. ICE hasn’t touched our wealthy suburb yet, though. There hasn’t been a city meeting since Renee Good, as well. Next city council meeting will be 🔥

Honestly DylanMc6 there is nothing you can do and no answer that will be correct. Do your best.

My advice is buy a shotgun, let them know you are armed and under no circumstances do you open your door to them. Once the door is open all hell will break loose and you will have to make some hard choices within seconds.

Protect yourself and your family at all costs and hope you don’t have to kill anyone to do it.

Fight, die, shrug emoji.

Do a nazi thing, like a hitler salute. That way they get confused, and could possibly see you as one of them.

Second idea: wear an explosive belt at all times, now you can get all of them, and if youre lucky even the bomb expert and negotiator.

Kill or be killed.

Light em up

Most ice agents will stand down facing a well armed militia. They're just paid goons looking to take out aggressions against those who can't fight back. Give them opposition and they'll realize the pay cheque isn't worth it.

I'd love to see all kinds of resistance to this.

If an armed militia shows up on the same street as ICE, but in greater numbers, there's a pretty good chance these imposters leave.

I hope somebody's working on building an app for recording everything possible and centralizing that information - license plates, photos, videos.

Perhaps homemade stingray devices that grab IMEI/IMSI numbers from agent's phones, so that it's easier to identify and link these agents between locations.

More people following them around to report on location and activities. Report on where they stay so that protests and obnoxious deterrence can be set up so that fewer businesses are willing to service these people.

There are so many more citizens than there are ICE agents. Doesn't seem like it takes much to overwhelm them and push them out, so long as it's coordinated.

What I would like to see is local organizations, like even city councils, running programs to arm thier citizens. Ideally with free training and such as a requirement. Super awesome would be if they setup shop near protest sites to do some basic training and then sell the weapons to the people legally for like $10 or something. Essentially, legally and responsibly arm the protestors. If ICE starts shooting, they return fire. That should really give ICE pause.

You either contribute to the United States' brain drain so that the economic situation collapses, or you use the second amendment.

If we reached the point where they came into my house I'd be fucked no matter what, so I'd take as many as I could with me. No use in making my death meaningless.

If the country has another federal election, heck... if the country survives past this at all, I think there's going to be a major conversation about states rights versus federal rights. What we're seeing in Minnesota is wild, bordering on something that could spark a localized civil war if people start violently standing up against this. The states should be able to come together and defeat the federal government at any point.

The Constitution grants the federal government the right to exist, and it belongs to the people. Not any one leader. Evidently some of that power needs to be pulled back.

Better to die fighting then to die on your knees.

FOLLOW-UP QUESTION: What about invoking the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution (which by the way gives you the right against self-incrimination)?

Blast them with piss, fling feces in their faces, go full primate. 🐒

That's a calculation each of us has to make personally. If you are white, a citizen, have people that rely on you, and are wealthy enough that they can fight a legal battle for you, maybe don't resist and hope for the best. If you are none of those, and you think you might get sent to a concentration camp or Africa, maybe defend yourself as best you can.

Good luck to everyone.

That is the point Mr. Bond is expected you to die. There is only luck at this point.

film them

Convert the HOA into something that actually helps their community. Turn that hate for your lawn into hate for the ICE agents who won't let you take your kids to school.

Short term if you're talking about not dying, you're not going to stand a chance without being a full prepper.

The clownvoy showed up with enough big trucks that the police could not fight out how to handle them. They also invited people to come hang out so police couldn't just tear gas and beat skulls in. The left are still protesting in ways that they protested 70 years ago. The police and military have literal books and charts to deal with it. Unless these protest evolve, they're really not doing back shit

Stand your ground?

Honestly, I'd take my fate into my own hands, and hope I could take a couple out before they took me out. Assuming I could get to a gun before they had me in their sights. Oragnaized and committed community defense could stop it from getting to that point, but the people participating also have to be prepared to die for their community.

Surrender and recognize you might get a listing in the back of a history book someday, if they don't win. PS: They will likely win.

Dont use advice found on the internet that come from keyboard warrior. Comply with the law and nothing will happen to you

Personally I’d just comply. They’re thugs, not law enforcement. They’ll hurt you and there will be no recourse available. If they’re there for someone else, I’d probably comfort that person and ask if there’s someone they’d like me to call.