Massive ICE Goon ID Leak Halted by Cyber Attack From Russia
7 months ago by HellsBelle to c/news
A website dedicated to naming ICE and Border Patrol employees is coming under a “prolonged and sophisticated” cyber attack after the Daily Beast revealed it planned to make public 4,500 names of federal immigration staff.
The founder of ICE List said the website was overwhelmed by malicious web traffic originating in Russia after the Beast reported that a huge cache of personal IDs had been leaked to the site by an alleged Department of Homeland Security whistleblower.
The Direct Denial of Service (DDOS) assault, which began on Tuesday evening and is still ongoing at the time of publication, saw a huge number of IPs simultaneously access the website of ICE List, a self-styled “accountability initiative.”
This has successfully overloaded the ICE List’s servers and is preventing people from accessing the site. The timing coincided with ICE List founder Dominick Skinner telling the Daily Beast he would make public the first tranche of names in the dataset, which was leaked following the shooting by an ICE agent of mom Renee Nicole Good.
That doesn't seem to be what they want, and they are sending a bunch of flying monkeys after everyone that asks for it.
It's not entirely a stupid idea.
Block-chains are an append-only ledger where each block includes a cryptographic hash of the previous block, where new blocks are accepted by quorum across all independent nodes. The only way to fuck with the ledger to erase history would be to either exploit an undisclosed flaw in the cryptographic hash, or have enough nodes to convince the every other node that their version of history is wrong and that this fake version of history is the only truth.
Burning an undisclosed cryptographic vulnerability for this would be an extremely stupid (but plausible) idea that would make the vulnerability worthless to them in the future. Even if they didn't have to burn a vulnerability to break the block-chain's system of trust by rewriting history, they just proved that bitcoin is untrustworthy—which would immediately destroy its financial value.
What might actually be even better, though, is that multimillionaires, billionaires, and the United States government itself hold a bunch of cryptocurrency. The former for investment/tax evasion/laundering, and the latter in seized assets. On top of that, many criminals and hostile foreign governments hold Bitcoin, too.
Encoding the list in the Etherium or Bitcoin block-chains would make removing it extremely self-destructive for the fascists who don't want the list to be public. It becomes a lose-lose situation for them.
A bittorrent magnet link or IPFS would be less wasteful, but they lack the self-destructive disincentive that would make them think twice about even trying to stop it.
There are much simpler ways to ensure data integrity without resorting to blockchain.
All we need to do is simply put this out as a torrent and provide a hash. That's it. Easy.
At 51% attack cannot succeed if you're not using blockchain to begin with. So why take the risk?
Except the 51% owner of the block chain can overwrite the ledger and billionaires and hostile governments have all of the computers to do it. This has already happened multiple times with smaller coins IIRC.
Block chain is essentially just the techbro version of capitalism (not an alternative, a recreation). If there are distributed companies and enough competition, the system works pretty well, but when everything centralizes as has inevitably happened everywhere, the rules all get thrown away.
If you put it on IPFS, there's a chance that it wouldn't be reachable anyway; it's been going downhill for a while. I tried some projects with it a year ago, and the results were not inspiring.
A magnet would be good, fast and easy, hell, just giving people the list and writing, keep a copy of this in case it ever disappears off the net, would work pretty well.
The problem I see is that the list needs to be mutable. That wiki is there to accept crowd-sourced help. Simply making it accessible to the masses makes it a target.
It needs to be resilient, multi-homed, easily hosted, accessible by the masses, but managed only by the organizers. A blockchain-based DB could handle a lot of that, but new information still needs to be added in a way that makes it impossible to decoy. The front end needs to be easy to access and easy to edit. Some form of list-of-lists approach with new keys to add/remove data.
It would be overkill for this project, but building a blockchain-backed, secure, distributed, and anonymous document store wouldn't be the worst thing until the worst people started using it for bad things. Learn from IPFS's index failings.
Wow I love the downvotes at the mere mention of the blockchain, but for once it would be useful to have a self replicating, far spreading and impossible for anyone to delete completely dataset. But yay at least people have an instant repulsive reaction to bitcoin lol
If you want to go for the record, mention AI too. and include an EM dash and some emoji. Lemmy has some phobias. I'd say it's all rightly found apprehension, but they take it personally if it looks like anything came from AI.
it's a list of names and their linked in addresses and their images when available. I suspect they just scraped linkedin for anyone that put it in their profile, but it could have been more. There's another section with images of cars being used. and a section to crowdsource identifying images and tying them to names.
The people who made it still have the data and could release it tons of ways. The point behind the wiki was to probably to make a living db, allowing crowdsourcing and families outing them which will alwyas be vulnerable to even the most hamfisted attacks.
The Direct Denial of Service (DDOS) assault,
That's not was DDOS means: Distributed Denial of Service
...meaning it comes from so many different sources its very hard to block.
It's the daily beast, would not be surprised if the article was AI hallucinated based on a few tweets or something
The reason I used Daily Beast was because I was looking for info on Icelist earlier today to see if there was any news on what happened ... and Daily Beast was the only site that had up-to-date info.
AI doesn’t know that.
It's a common acronym. This isn't the kind of thing an LLM would screw up, in my experience, I'd put my money on human error for this one.
Settle down, Hector.
People are getting dumber about computers, not smarter. You heard it here first.
No, I’ve known this for a long time. When I was a kid I was conscripted into doing tech support for my older relatives. Now my generation is doing tech support for the younger generations.
When my generation dies it’ll kick off a post-apocalyptic future where people have to rediscover how all this technology works.
Now my generation is doing tech support for the younger generations.
Or having to teach them how to write and debug code in COBOL.
I agree about people getting dumber about computers, but sadly you're not the first to say it.
I see it in my IT work everyday. It makes for some good job security, but I wonder what happens when the last of us that know how to work the dark magics shuffle off our mortal coil.
Then the AI overlords’ takeover will be complete. Dogs and cats living together - mass hysteria.
In an ideal world, as they see your knowledge is harder and harder to replace, they'll start paying more for it, and that will hopefully be encouraging enough to the current workforce to learn the skills.
In an ideal world, as they see your knowledge is harder and harder to replace, they’ll start paying more for it
This is true and happens to me.
, and that will hopefully be encouraging enough to the current workforce to learn the skills.
Here's the challenge. Someone new that doesn't have the skills that is enticed by the money has to make two evaluations:
- How hard is it to learn the skill?
- How long with the skill be marketable?
For me to learn the skill wasn't difficult because is it was modern and contemporary technology at the time. Training and support resources existed, and I was able to incrementally learn how those older technologies continued to evolve or be accommodated as new technologies arrived to replace them, but then didn't. That won't be the case for someone new. They can't even use the old training material I used (assuming it was even still around) because that was written assuming the technology pervasive and well supported while the opposite is true today.
As for marketability, this is an even larger gamble. Many of these technologies should have been retired decades ago, but weren't for a variety of niche reasons. No organizations are putting out new deployments of these old technologies. The customer base/employers wanting these skills decrease every year as old legacy systems are finally retired leaving even fewer opportunities for a new person to exercise these newly acquired old skills. Its a fact that someday there will be no users of them, but when will that be? It should have happened already so what new worker would want to try and gamble on going into extensive learning on technologies that should be dead by the time they master them?
All of us who grew up as computers became mainstream had to learn how to use them and troubleshoot things, we also got to grow up as it was maturing.
These newer generations are handed tablets with apps and that's it, and all the apps they want to use are focused around tiny attention spans and how to manipulate them.
Well, back in OOUUURRRRR DAYYYYY, the only computer was Windows and nothing ran until we edited the AUTOEXEC.BAT just to find out the .dll our sneakernet shareware software installed munged up the TCP/IP stack and we had to spend two hours and find the Windows install media to remove and replace it and THEN it would work until we installed something else.
And we LIKED it that way! We loved it!
I had to learn how to navigate Windows 3.0 using keyboard commands with no screen. I had to fix the resolution when I set it too high and the display was a 4 pixel tall line across the screen. Way back before preview and accept changes existed.
I remember back in the day in my highschool computer science class, altering the autoexec.bat to mess with the next student in fun ways. Nothing that would stop them, but simply give them pause.
Same as with cars. Everyone just wants to press a button and go.
The article literakky says "a huge number of IPs". Do you have more information?
I gave the proper definition of the acronym where the article did not. I'm not making commentary on the article topic.
Sorry I misread your comment.
You are right, this definition is wrong.
No worries!
Oh noes. So horrible that there are no other ways this can be disseminated and I am SURE the organizers aren't looking into those at all.
I guess the more interesting question is.. is this putin or is it just a black hat for hire working out of russia?
I guess the more interesting question is.. is this putin or is it just a black hat for hire working out of russia?
I have good money on it being a "friend" of Pooty-Poot's who wants to squash resistance to ICE. Possibly someone who's in a position of power. Possibly someone who's a demented rapist felon and a pathological liar.
Trying to get into the mind of a deranged fascist is a futile effort at the best of times.
But my speculation? He understands that trump is a real shit asset. Way too impulsive and he is rapidly reaching the point where even video of him sucking off bill clinton won't make a difference (and, thus, won't be a threat). And putin is competing with all the other people pulling trump's strings who don't need to get on a plane to intimidate him.
So either way works. The point is to negate the US as a threat (either by turning us into an ally or letting us murder each other) and, as a result, negate NATO as a threat. Because most of NATO aren't fucking lunatics who put a massive percentage of one of the largest GPDs in the world into a standing military. WE were the army of NATO. And... yeah.
If they were interested in actually distributing this they would have just sent a CSV file of the entire list out and the whole list would be floating around social media already. This is a fucking scam.
I’m no expert, but I can think of a few reasons: maintaining an official signed source, data integrity, and complying with takedown regulations:
Your Responsibilities as a Whistleblower
Media and Public Disclosure
Public disclosure receives the least protection under most laws and carries the highest risk. It may be protected in limited circumstances, such as when:
- You reasonably believe disclosure serves the public interest
- You’ve attempted other channels without success
- There’s immediate danger requiring public warning
Even then, protection is uncertain and depends heavily on specific circumstances and applicable laws.
High risk along with public identification means the leaker probably wants to comply as much as possible to state and federal law. From the article:
Skinner said he planned to publish “the majority” of verifiable names, while carving out exceptions for positions like childcare workers and nurses
Yeah it totally makes sense to make a resource that is totally inaccessible and doesn't actually exist.
Well, it’s inaccessible because Russian state-sponsored hacking collective is DDoSing the leaker’s website. Why would someone go through the risky process of leaking sensitive federal data that doesn’t actually exist?
I suppose it could be to spook ICE into withdrawal, but I don’t think that’s going to stop them given the tenacity of their extremely broad mandate and excessive deployments.
Or, it could be to goad Russian state actors into a honeypot to uncover their state affiliations, but they are generally insulated from that as a matter of Russian operating procedure.
I don’t see a possible benefit to faking this list. Could you provide an example?
I'm sure sending out a list with none of the associated verification information wouldn't have any weaknesses to manipulation or falsification...
Good point. Making a list that no one can access and probably doesn't actually exist is much better.
Birds of a shitfeather flock together, Randy
Shitapples, Randy. Shitapples.
Shitapillers
Let's see some email leaks that connect the dots there as well to this attack.
I bet it exists somewhere.
You don't think their names aren't in the files? Can't be heads off state from all over the world have so much power being a literal pedophile is the only way to get their heart pumping. Strangling women on the interstate just doesn't hit the same after a while. (I'm not joking. Or leaders are no better than you average psychopath, the only difference is they are in power and can get away with it.)
So . . . Trump reached out to daddy for help.
Putin - Who's your friend?
Trump - You are, boss. It's only you.
FYI - I was able to get through to the Icelist wiki page which now has a 403 Forbidden on it. I don't know who controls the site rn.
It's all working pretty smoothly for me now. I think it's been resolved.
@phutatorius@lemmy.zip care to explain your disapproval of our discussion?
Gladly.
The discussion about whether a DDOS account has anything to do with Russia solely because the IP addresses used are Russian fails to take into account the fact that Russian state actors and affiliated parties have previously done it that way. That includes attacks against sites that I work on. Not only DDOS attacks, but lots of vulnerability-probing attacks have come from Russian IPs as well (though not all, of course: China's a close second on that leaderboard), and in one investigation of those, our security team was able to find a forum where the attacks were being coordinated. The discussion was in Russian. That doesn't mean they were state actors in that case, but Russia's not the kind of place where freelancers are allowed to operate against state interests for long. So maybe volunteers for the motherland, maybe mercenaries, maybe someone with a more formal relationship with the state. In that particular case, we stopped investigating at that point, since our goal was to harden our system further, rather than worry about attribution.
So yeah, you'd think that in the interest of good comsec, they'd go to the effort to obfuscate the origin of their attacks, but they don't always. Maybe they're sloppy, or they don't see the need, or don't want to incur the minimal additional complexity and/or cost.
I'd like to disclose more, but I'm in a position where there are some hard limits on what I can disclose about my personal and professional life.
Also, the Daily Beast is no paragon of journalistic integrity, but they're more a mixed bag than a never-credible source. Case in point: Michael Wolff's podcasts for them, which occasionally contain worthwhile insights mixed in with the tabloid gossip. I rank them a little below Times Radio, which also has a mix of clickbaity crap and occasional sound analysis. They're certainly nowhere near the gutter that the NY Post or the Daily Mail inhabit. Well, maybe one foot, but not both.
Anyway... mea culpa for having downvoted rather than joining in. I was in a hurry, about to head out the door, and should have instead waited until I had the time to comment.
Why Russia would protect this administration interests like that?
To further destabilize the country.
It is serving their interests.
Would it not be more destabilizing to allow this leak to go through? Seems like by stopping this, they are propping up the government?
The government is not the country.
The sense of justice is being denied. The feeling of their oppressor being shielded is prolonged.
They want citizens boiling.
Why would they care if they are identified? Who's going to do ANYTHING about it?
Also, maybe they WANT the world to know they can do things like this, like changing votes in an election. If you want the world to know you are in control, you have to demonstrate it.
Why would they use russian IPs if it was a russian DDOS attack, lol
Because theres no reason not to.
What do you suppose they have to lose from such a brazen attack in defence of the interests of the leader at the expense of the people he hates?
This is a classic case of VPN
This is a scam. No one ever saw this list and it would have been trivial to distribute if that was ever the intent.
I saw the list yesterday for a few minutes. Then it crashed.
Why do you think they didn't just distribute a 50kb CSV file so that everyone on earth could have it today?
You should ask them.
It's back up. It's not a scam.
And can we maybe not continually, without fail, hit ourselves in the face with a crowbar, because something positive isn't perfect?
The founder of ICE List said the website was overwhelmed by malicious web traffic originating in Russia
Putin and his Black Hundreds trying to protect the little army of Kluxers in olive drab.
Now why on earth would Russia want to halt the leak? Especially when they're so mad at us about Venezuela and the oil we're seizing? 🤔
They aren't. Owe a bank 10 bucks, it's your problem. Owe a bank a million, it's their problem. Those countries gave their gold and resources to Russia. Now, when they expect to receive support back, the US is giving them an excuse why they don't need to as long as they perform a bit of false flag theater they are so accustomed to. Venezuela's oil is hard to refine cheaply and Russia has plenty not to mention they are a competitor, they are more concerned about the US Chevron and Exxon tankers Ukraine is disrupting from buying their oil after Trump quietly allowed them to resume.
Russia wants to assist Trump while feigning their part as the "enemy", yet they always manage to work lockstep in the grand scheme of things. So much so, that I expect that when the US does launch an operation against Greenland, they will try to be sneaky about it yet do it with Russia's help, likely from one the detachments claiming to be following one of the shadow fleets.
Russia considers its allies temporary and expendable, they've sacrificed theirs in negotiations to cooperate with the US to divide up their direct influence into hemispheres. Russia is specially interested in restoring the old USSR borders, but now just any win will do. Getting rid of competitors and letting go of the political baggage of their allies once exhausted is what they do. The regime puppets have already sent all their gold to Russia to try to secure their retirement within their borders. Russia treats its allies like the US is starting to.
All they needed to do was put out a torrent.
Get ready for a bunch of totally not foreign propaganda bots to explain why that doesn't make any sense and that somehow YOU are the crazy person for expecting this list to actually exist.
Never ceases to amaze me that people refuse to believe or need to be reminded that Russia, China and others are actively and aggressively trying to undermine political and social stability in the US. Social media troll farms and bots, hacks of infrastructure, and apparently now preventing leaks of information detrimental to trump’s SS.
They do but don't forget the us government is trying to do the same thing by breaking with norms and stiring up trouble.
This can easily be a a hit by an us funded group or agency to prevent waking of the gestapo.
No shot Russia is actually behind protecting the US government from its own people.
From what I've heard, Putin wants "democracy" to be a slang term for chaos, go figure the rest.
Despots really want to make democracy a "failed experiment in human history", and restore the age of autocrats.
Damn, is that why Putin told his puppet Biden to bring Democracy to Palestine and Ukraine, and his puppet Obama to spread Democracy to Libya and Syria, and his puppet George W Bush to bring Democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan, and his puppet Clinton to bring Democracy to Yugoslavia and so on?
Its kinda weird when libs blame foreigners for America doing the most American thing possible.
Also the American people neutralizing feds on their own is more chaotic than ice continuing to haul people to camps unimpeded.
For example folks.
It's not about taking either side, it's about sowing chaos.
Again, what's more chaotic, pigs fearing for themselves and their family or pigs not fearing for themselves and their family?
Putin has nothing to gain from this, the state department or just random fascists with money to spend on a botnet do.
If some Russian dissidents published a list of Russian FBI equivalent's agent's addresses, would the US (or even just any non-fascist with technical knowledge and time) try to take it down, or make sure it's distributed as widely as possible?
"Russia is helping the US do what the US does because their evil and bad and hate freedom" is the equivalent of "Russia blew up their own pipeline".
Putin being evil and bad is true, but it's directly against Russia's interests and in the US's interest to take down the list.
What's better for them is an entire population being afraid of the pigs, and giving the pigs more time to amp up their abuse, piss off citizens even more, cause larger and more violent protests and larger and more violent government responses, and take America into a Civil War.
Or, ICE agents get doxxed, and decide it isn't worth the trouble and quit, and Russia loses the fuel for their most consistent source of chaos.
ICE agents aren't going to quit over doxxing, they're the type to jerk off over the idea of someone trying to hurt them or their family.
If America was going to rise up, seeing ice agents get got in their own home would be inspirational, in the same way a burning police station was inspiration in 2020; showing people that you're not powerless does infinitely more to bring people out than seeing a million people march for 6 hours and go home having accomplished nothing.
The DDOS is coming from inside the house
I don't know what you guys are talking about. I have no problem accessing the site. Could I be on a fake one? https://icelist.is/ice/
404
I think it's been resolved. It was 404ing yesterday, but now it's fine.
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Massive ICE Goon ID Leak Halted by Cyber Attack From Russia
My mind went somewhere totally different reading "goon leak"
Even more reason why it should be released as a dump, and not walled in behind a website.
Well, it's slow, but I am getting past the homepage today, unlike yesterday.
Update: It seems to be working pretty smoothly for me now. A couple hangups, but mostly all good.
If it holds, I'd maybe take this post down to avoid confusion or discouragment.
let me know when to tor is setup
Why announce? Do it & the damage done did. Then announce it. Fucking amateurs. Probably something Walter Sobchak would say.
The mofos want to hide their SVR agents working at ICE.
So did the information get out at all?
It sounds like the website was attacked, but that doesn't mean they stole the data. Presumably there's back-up, and it can be released elsewhere. Just don't announce it in advance. Put it out there, spread the word quietly until there have been a bunch of downloads, then announce it.
Torrent that shit.
Do you not think Russia has access to multiple botnets?
Honestly, what would Russia’s motivation be? Releasing the names of those agents would, per my ignorance, be a passive win for Russia. Russian propaganda has shown that they explicitly take both sides of a political argument, which only yields more polarizing views on the matter. That’s their goal—polarize enemies to weaken their unity, attention, and effectiveness. Having us focus on vendettas against ICE serves that goal. It clarifies who our enemy is and increases the chance of more violence. Why would Russia want to stop that?
Wild speculation here, but what would the chances be that the US has control over of Russia-based bot net? Because that would be a pretty convenient tool for a state like the US.
what would the chances be that the US has control over of Russia-based bot net?
I would be highly surprised if we didn't. I'd be surprised if any nation with any kind of serious cyber presence didn't have resources like that in adversarial spaces.
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