This past week, Lemmy has gotten really good

8 months ago by VitoRobles to c/fediverse

I use a few social media platforms at the same time. I'm used to seeing the same things on each platform. That's how the internet has been for years - you read the same things on the same five sites.

To be fully transparent, Lemmy isn't at the top. I don't post much and I lurk. Sometimes I post a comment here and there.

But this past week, I'm seeing more and more interesting content in the "Everything" section of Lemmy that I didn't see in my other social media feeds. New communities and more interesting convos.

Uncertain if the fediverse has gotten a wave of new posters, some algorithm has changed, or every other social media company is sucking more and more thanks to America Team Police...

Just wanted to share my extremely limited anecdotal non-fact checked viewpoint.

MutantTailThing 83 points 8 months ago

I think it’s partly because reddit has become an overflowing bucket of shit where bots accuse bots of being bots and real humans get permabanned for breaking bs rules or saying no-no words.

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jcorvera 10 points 8 months ago

Like "Linux" in linuxsucks101...

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jimmy90 2 points 8 months ago

honestly it's really not

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Concur6053 72 points 8 months ago

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VitoRobles 45 points 8 months ago

I'm using Sync (I'm lazy with getting new apps and it hasn't pissed me off yet) and the button is called "Everything". So I guess it's the All section!

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Coelacanth 63 points 8 months ago

I love Sync but be aware that it is no longer being actively developed. It has some bugs that will never be fixed, and might break entirely in the future.

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ColeSloth 18 points 8 months ago

I've been using "Thunder" and so far it's done a pretty wonderful job of things. Very easy to view and scroll on a phone. A lot of options you can set and customize.

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Coelacanth 10 points 8 months ago

Thunder was still not quite what I was looking for last time I tried it. I am very happy with Summit now, personally.

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dil 1 point 8 months ago

Swapped to voyager as my main, thunder doesn't let you reply to dms which is annoying every once in a while.

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darkdemize 14 points 8 months ago

Has the developer confirmed he's dropped the project for good, or is he still just MIA? I know he's gone over a year between updates before, so unless he's announced that he's done, there's still a small possibility of an update in the future.

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Coelacanth 20 points 8 months ago

This is longer than he's ever been MIA for before, this time I think it's about 2 years since the last update, and there are several literally critical bugs. But this is the downside with absentee developers like that, you never know for sure whether it's abandonware or not. But he seems to be actively working on other stuff still so I just don't think Lemmy took off enough in popularity for him to feel like it's worth his time monetarily. Makes sense if this was always more of a business than a passion project, which is the way it appears to be to me.

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Concur6053 14 points 8 months ago

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stray 1 point 8 months ago

As someone who used Sync up until I was forced to replace my phone recently, I recommend Summit.

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Cantaloupe 1 point 8 months ago

That explains the "sync" logs I've been seeing! Is sync a good user experience?

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DaPorkchop_ 4 points 8 months ago

Sync was a fantastic Reddit client (I started using it back in 2016), then during the API debacle the dev turned it into a Lemmy app and frankly it was the best on the market by a wide margin. But then he just vanished, and various things have gradually stopped working as it's not keeping up with the latest Lemmy updates. When upvotes stopped working a few months ago, I bit the bullet and have now moved to Summit, which has the closest user experience to Sync of all the Lemmy apps I've found (although it doesn't have anywhere close to the same level of polish as Sync did).

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Fmstrat 1 point 8 months ago

Sync is no longer developed I don't think. Thunder is the closest and majorly configurable.

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schwim 20 points 8 months ago

I'm sure that's what they mean. I scroll with "New/All" and this is a fantastic way to read new stuff you have never heard about BUT the caveat is: this is an enjoyable scroll ONLY after you've developed a good block list of users, instances and communities. Otherwise, you'll get inundated with the few but very vocal and toxic communities that make Lemmy feel like a clone of Reddit/Twitter/etc.

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Concur6053 6 points 8 months ago

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UnspecificGravity 62 points 8 months ago

I think part of it is that Reddit has gotten so bad that even casual users are noticing that it's basically indistinguishable from any other corporate social media.

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TheBrideWoreCrimson 26 points 8 months ago

Concidentally, as of lately, Reddit has seemed more "dead" to me than usual.
And that's not even counting the egregious "cloned threats" where, within the span of one or a few days, the exact same comments, but with all-different user names, are being copied underneath two headlines with similar topics; or the weird, LLM-written and machine-translated comments that very badly match the topic at hand or the OP they're replying to, something that's especially obvious if you visit non-English-language subs.

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Tollana1234567 1 point 8 months ago

many users on reddit said alot of POSTS are AI BOT posts , so im not surprised.

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ageedizzle 19 points 8 months ago

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reabsorbthelight 16 points 8 months ago

I automatically assume Redditors are bots from some state actor. I've seen enough obvious campaigns that it's impossible for me to trust anymore

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ageedizzle 8 points 8 months ago

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reabsorbthelight 3 points 8 months ago

Seems to be unproven https://factually.co/...

Could be true, but this suggests weak evidence.

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Khari 1 point 8 months ago

The evidence in favor is circumstantial. The account stopped posting when Maxwell was arrested. On the other hand, I cannot find the mentioned screencap from /u/Hasharin cited by Vice and Factually, in which they had a recent conversation with MaxwellHill. The screencap was mentioned in a different article in 2024. It would be really surprising if it were recent, because the account has been inactive for so long. Hasharin has mentioned the theory in three recent replies to a thread. I thought I would get a firm opinion by looking into it, but the refutation was not very specific either.

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hector 4 points 8 months ago

The vast majority of bots, and it's more accurate to say influence operations as real people direct fake accounts with bots, and now chatbots, sophisticated ones for some issues, are working for commercial interests. Trade groups of all types. Any toxic chemical they use has keywords scramble a response to any mention of it. Real agents cycling through accounts backed by bots. AI, actually Indians, in many cases, as they've good english and can work for cheaper.

But the State Actors are getting worse, the US aligned ones exploded in number and visibility after the Venezuela operation I noticed. I'm sure the build up to the next forever war with Iran because Israel first has armies of bots. I've seen some influence operations on lemmy here in regards to that reddit must be overrun by it.

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reabsorbthelight 4 points 8 months ago

Russian bots have been noted rewriting history on Wikipedia for Baltic and ex-ussr countries recently too. I read about #estonia having to fight to preserve accurate history about Soviet imperialism on Wikipedia.

It was also noticable that contra-US bots were driving polarization leading up to the US election. There were a number of topics that went silent the day after election.

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hector 1 point 8 months ago

Influence operations, mechanized troll divisions and supporting units, were also deployed en masse to back up the democratic annointee that was chosen without contest in 2024 in July with over 4 months to go. Many just getting shitty with anyone calling for a challenge, an electable candidate that wasn't at 30% or less approval all term and hadn't won a single state in the primary of the previous term, and anyone calling for a winnable strategy otherwise. Shadowy groups, many right aligned, russian types, many oligarchs that don't want a strong reform minded democratic leader to revoke their newly acquired license, and out and out aligned with the Republicans that want an opponent they could beat, all surely have influence operations across social media, and interfere into democratic nominations.

As I was saying at the time, Bannon must have been high fiving his jailers, (turns out they were also high fiving the mobsters in the prison, that's whose table Bannon sat at, he palled around with the Italian mobsters in there, to the surprise of no one that's been paying attention,) when they chose her without contest, when their influence operations got on left aligned groups online to level vitriol at anyone arguing for a winning strategy. The democratic establishment hire their own influence operations as well in service of keeping control of the party for the aristocracy/donors.

Social Media is just too corrupted, the companies can't be trusted to moderate in good faith, powerful groups have their hooks in them and get them to moderate dishonestly, they not only ignore connected influence ops, they dishonestly violate real users not breaking the rules to any reasonable person standard, on the words of these influence operations, be it homeland security sending lists of accounts to find random reasons to ban, or by them mass flagging an account with their armies of bots until something sticks.

Everything is overrun now, over half of users are estimated to be fake accounts now, and over half the content on the internet is written by machines. Half of the websites, those enshitified search results you get since 2021? All machine written to hit search engine results. Every organization with money, every country, can hire these well developed industry of buggering reality, be it russia on wikipedia or groups conning people into throwing an election by choosing the wrong person, or an industry that systematically poisons entire watersheds and populations to save a marginal amount of money on waste disposal. And it works, all of it works. Without leadership and organization in opposition the organized interests of big money wins every time.

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Tollana1234567 -1 points 8 months ago

politics, during the first few months of OCT 7 ISRAEL invasion of gaza, it was pretty obvious it was designed to hurt the campaign of biden, and people on "r/pics" was trying to get people to not vote for biden, it was definitely propaganda, i was reporting them left and right.(thats where i recieved my first worldnews ban) and i was able to avoid getting banned with a different acct by avoiding that sub, up until reddit decided to purge wholesale last year.

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mattyroses 3 points 8 months ago

Yeah, people seeing pictures of children being killed in a genocide and reacting badly is obviously just a conspiracy!

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Tollana1234567 2 points 8 months ago

and also the massive amount of bots, and propaganda that are never dealt with when reddit purges, it may get some of them but it only targets the non-political ones.

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Nautilus 52 points 8 months ago

I’m someone who just re-joined after trying out lemmy & kbin a couple years ago then dropping off after a few months. I can say the experience now is a lot better. There’s so much more content and activity.

I still use Reddit for more niche topics but I don’t miss it nearly as much as expected to.

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foodandart 20 points 8 months ago

NGL, I got permabaned there in October.. just 2 weeks shy of 15 years.. Found old.lemmy.zip, fell in and fell in love.

Haven't missed Reddit at all.

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qaeta 14 points 8 months ago

I keep catching reddit bans for calling Trump a pedophile lol. Really tells you where their moderation is at these days.

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dil 1 point 8 months ago

Posts where you want answers/help get more useful engagement here and show up on all unlike reddit where your posts/comments get buried outside of niche communities

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motruck 35 points 8 months ago

Bots vs people

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W3dd1e 5 points 8 months ago

You could be right: The bots have been very bad but I agree that I’m seeing them get shutdown faster lately.

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hector 4 points 8 months ago

You think there are a lot of bots on here? I noticed a few influence agents pushing israeli bullshit, forget the instances. They had a suspiciously large number of votes for them. Others are grinding axes, hard to say which might be influence agents necessarily, but plenty that could be, pushing wrongheaded opinions that when challenged with reasoned arguments reply with personal attacks and obscure the issue with slander. But that is learned behavior from the top down so it could be they just emulate rotten people.

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Abundance114 -1 points 8 months ago

Yeah I think So, bots.

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vikinghoarder 33 points 8 months ago

I just subscribed to new communities and i've gotten more involved in Lemmy again. New content yey!

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MyOpinion 26 points 8 months ago

Lemmy has been one of my primary social networks for some time. It is excellent.

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Scrollone 2 points 8 months ago

I agree. It's getting better and better by the day.

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sheogorath 23 points 8 months ago

The thing that I love about Lemmy is at least it's not as infected with bots as other places. It's the equivalent of going to rancher's market to get my spicy comments and bickering ya know.

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rngtema 8 points 8 months ago

Definitely! I'll look at the upvote counter(stupid me I know) and think to myself 'oh that's not much engagement' and then remind myself that it's actually real people(most likely) and not just bots.

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mattyroses 4 points 8 months ago

the equivalent of going to rancher's market

A few more bugs, way less poison?

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Alberat 2 points 8 months ago

how do you know it's not bots?

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rumba 2 points 8 months ago

shugs if they're good posts with engagement, i might be down with it :)

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Alberat 2 points 8 months ago

yeah thinking of some of the ppl ive met on the internet, id rather be talking to a bot lol... jkjk

but i think finding out after the fact that i was interacting with a bot somehow seems soulless... like, something i like about the internet is the (small) feeling of still being connected to the world. and that'd be lost if i knew i was interacting with a bot. i imagine there's people who feel differently, but i think that's nuts. if im interacting with a bot, i want to know it.

also like, in responding to you, i hope to further some intelligent discussion and positively affect the world. if you're a bot, then that's hopeless. or maybe im just affecting the ai model positively, idk.

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Jinarched 2 points 8 months ago

It's much more peaceful and organic than other platforms. I'm glad I removed reddit from my life two years ago. I don't miss it one bit.

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Snoopy 22 points 8 months ago

Very cool feedback, i hope newcomers enjoy their stay too. It's not perfect but i do hope the fediverse is a fun place whatever fedisoftware you are on. 8)

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pseudo 6 points 8 months ago

fedisoftware

"Fediware" ;-)

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Snoopy 2 points 8 months ago

Fediware, is it widely used ? Cool name :)

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pseudo 6 points 8 months ago

Yes widely by all my alts!

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Snoopy 2 points 8 months ago

Amazing ! Let's spread it even more ! :3

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VieuxQueb 18 points 8 months ago

There seem to be more and more comments and I have seen posts with almost 1000 upvotes in top 24h in ALL. It was usually more around the 300.

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Grandwolf319 17 points 8 months ago

I think a lot of it is unfortunately tied to how quiet US politics is, when more outrageous things happen, the worse the lemmy experience becomes.

We are just not the type to put our heads in the sand.

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birdwing 4 points 8 months ago

This is why I I try to limit the political stuff to the extent that I feel energised for action.

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1dalm 15 points 8 months ago

I jump between social networks every few years. My social network path has gone from AOL chat groups, to Yahoo News groups, to Facebook for a few years, to Twitter, to Mastodon, to Reddit.

Last week I decided to test Lemmy out. Best thing I can say about it is that it's not any worse than all the others. Which is a pretty good compliment really, considering the resources and network advantages that all the others have.

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foodandart 8 points 8 months ago

Absolutely. It's a testament to what people that care can do.

I love it here.

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BenderRodriguez 6 points 8 months ago

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1dalm 8 points 8 months ago

They were so... Innocent.

Like, everyone trusted everyone. Like, sure perfect stranger online, I don't mind telling you my real name, home address, and age. What's the harm?

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VitoRobles 2 points 8 months ago

Haha I don't know about that!

It was ingrained into me to never share anything until Facebook normalized it. I always feared some nutcase would come to my house because I made a solid yo momma joke that broke him.

I did a/s/l in a vague way, telling people I was 1-2 years older than I was, which was required to meet hotties also in the AOL chatz.

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mattyroses 1 point 8 months ago

heh yeah, Lemmy gives me old phpBB vibes sometimes

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Reannlegge 11 points 8 months ago

As more of the world is moving into the #boycottUS movement more people are moving to open source alternatives. I personally wish more people would move to more open source things rather than alternative closed source things that could be sold to a US company.

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mattyroses 4 points 8 months ago

Exactly. It's like people that move to Bluesky, which is under private control, and then are shocked when abuses start there.

The problem is exactly that social spaces shouldn't be privately owned and a source of profit. Until you address that, the slop hellsites will always wind up that way.

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CarrieForle 11 points 8 months ago

Not sure about divergence, but there are definitely a lot more interesting posts now. I've tried fediverse (kbin) when the reddit API shit happened. I'm a gamer and there weren't many interesting gaming posts at the time so I returned back to Reddit like a week later. This time with the Discord bullshit I gave fediverse another try and it's so much better now. It's still not as many compared to Reddit but at least there are actual content I enjoy scrolling.

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Diva 11 points 8 months ago

It's always amusing browsing all with 'new comments'

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hector 2 points 8 months ago

How so? I check that one occassionally, am fairly new to lemmy, I didn't notice all that much different about that one but idk.

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Diva 2 points 8 months ago

Oh it's like old forum mode, where comment in an old thread bumps it to the top. It lets you see if people are still replying in a week old thread meow-popcorn

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HubertManne 9 points 8 months ago

I come for conversation. Granted its just snippets here and there but im not here to got links or media dropped on me without context.

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VitoRobles 2 points 8 months ago

It feels a lot more organic. Once in a while, I get into a heated argument where we go back and forth.

But it doesn't feel like I'm arguing with an obvious troll. Just two people with disagreements.

On Reddit, argue with someone and they go, "Yeah will you're a cuck and you post on lolcats" and then you find out theyre a Indian teen or a bot.

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HubertManne 1 point 8 months ago

I mean im sure many folks are all sorts of ages. I have blocked accounts were the responses are swears or other bull trump.

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brownsugga 1 point 8 months ago

same- I come cause I reddit banned my 14 year old account cause of a trigger happy mod. Lemmy gives the vibes that brought me to reddit in 2012. I try to stay away from the political threads cause of the surveillance state but oi can't really help myself

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tetris11 7 points 8 months ago

I've been noticing a rampant increase in bot farming attempts, so that's at least a signifier that we're definitely becoming popular with the regulars

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dil 6 points 8 months ago

It comes and goes here

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Khari 5 points 8 months ago

I decided to look into Lemmy in the last week. You're welcome!

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Pika 5 points 8 months ago

Had some gems recently indeed

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NewNewAccount 5 points 8 months ago

The last few months I’ve had a constantly changing and active homepage but for my subscriptions and on all. Lemmy is the real deal.

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Digit 4 points 8 months ago

America Team

Isn't it "Team America"?

Fuck yeah!

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1984 2 points 8 months ago

They may not have seen that movie but its incredibly correct. :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/...

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Sergio 4 points 8 months ago

yeah I agree to I avoid "All/Everything" and just build my fave feeds:

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lazynooblet 4 points 8 months ago

Browsing "all" I can get through "top 12 hours" in about 30 minutes.

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Sergio 4 points 8 months ago

You say that like it's a bad thing!

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lazynooblet 6 points 8 months ago

Yeah and no. When I moved from Reddit, which I also browsed on /r/all it would be an ever ending stream of content.

When moving to Lemmy the amount of content was much less, even more so in 2023. It's been getting better and better since then.

It was a shock at first and my immediate reaction was of disappointment. However it quickly became apparent how addicted I was to the phone, and not having the content and an absolute refusal to go back to Reddit, meant I started living.

Lemmy has been an absolute plus to my life. I am grateful.

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Sergio 4 points 8 months ago

Well said!

I find that I often use Lemmy to point me to music, books, movies, etc. instead of just being an end in itself.

Also I find myself posting more. The fact that niche communities tend to be smaller means that I can be an important part of those communities.

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melsaskca 1 point 8 months ago

If I didn't like Motorhead I'd still be on reddit. /s

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