Picking a fight with Hasan Piker while midterms are gearing up is the dumbest fucking idea. The consultant class really is a problem when it comes to meaningful change. (TikTok screencap)
Goodeye8 5 points 7 months ago
Considering how much American politics seeps through online spaces you'd have to be living under a political rock to not know who Hasan Piker is. He's one of the biggest leftist, like actually leftist not "neoliberal leftist", political commentator online. As for what the meme is referencing, it's this.
Ryanmiller70 3 points 7 months ago
I think I've heard the name a few times, but never bothered to watch or look up much about him. Only political "influencers" or whatever I watch are Big Joel and (I guess technically) Stephanie Sterling.
Rugnjr 1 point 6 months ago
I'm in a leftist group that regularly discusses politics. I know one guy who follows him, and regularly talks like this (he's the biggest happening thing, a huge voice on the left etc)
Noone else thinks about or talks about him. I'm not here to trash on the guy, hes probably fine. It's more a point about the usefulness of twitch as a political project. It's a deeply insular place. Much like it's annoying when people act as though niche twitter stuff is world news.
Rugnjr 1 point 6 months ago
It's a fair critique. I suppose i personally dont really know many pundits that aren't of this type of another. I wouldn't say TV ones or YouTube or podcasts any other place would be a better (though my suspicion is YouTube has the greatest reach but I wouldn't assume any particular subculture from it was world changing or universally known or whatever, the culture is too deeply fragmented)
As for the groups discussions, I suppose I don't think "pundits" as a concept is really that important to us. It's like asking what literary critics a writers group talks about a lot, we're more interested in the politics than talking about the people talking about the people talking about the...
Kinda the whole point is that we want to think about the interesting problems ourselves and what we can do about it rather than having other people do that for us
Feathercrown 0 points 7 months ago
I rarely even hear his name
a_non_monotonic_function 2 points 7 months ago
Walter? Yes.
new_world_odor 33 points 7 months ago
Fucking purity testing bullshit, fully functional and operational at the highest levels. The left will purity test itself into extinction if it doesn't realize it's happening.
agent_nycto 1 point 7 months ago
Yeah, as soon as you say "look the Democrats suck but it's the best chance we have to not have a Republican in office right now, with how things are now" you get jumped by people going NO NEVER VOTE DEMOCRAT ONLY THIRD PARTY YOU'RE A SHILL BLUE NO MATTER WHO IS BULLSHIT BOTH SIDES ARE CAPITALIST AND THE SAME
backalleycoyote -9 points 7 months ago
I don’t expect purity but I expect the ability to self-reflect and grow when personal behaviors are questioned by others who share a substantial amount of your world views. Instead of exploring his relationship with his dog (owner/accessory), he doubled down and his fanbase closed ranks to defend a behavior a lot of people find abhorrent. Treating animals like property and setting unrealistic expectations for their compliance while you use them as a backdrop is not a leftist virtue. A loyal audience is not there to normalize abusive behavior and run with the narrative “any questioning of what happened is a right wing attempt to undermine him”. A person can talk all the talk they want, if their walk doesn’t match the tone and they cannot accept that their views may occasionally need growth, fuck ‘em. We don’t need leftist demagogues, we need leaders and speakers with character who aren’t afraid to confront themselves and their beliefs.
Jax 5 points 7 months ago
Instead of exploring his relationship with his dog (owner/accessory)
All of this comment points to you needing to gain some emotional maturity. You sound as if you've either never owned a dog or have only ever owned already trained dogs.
I can grab a piece of paper loudly and my dog will crumple as if I've beaten her every day of her life. Never hit her once. Never shocked her with a collar, only ever used the beeps and vibration. All I need to do is pick up the remote and she will cower. Mind you, I shower this dog with love every day and again — I've never once hurt her besides maybe stepping on her tail.
I think you need to exhibit some personal growth here, tbh. If your reasons for disliking Hasan stem from this one incident vs the blatant hypocrisy he'd already shown (like purchasing a mansion) — you need to rethink some things.
backalleycoyote -7 points 7 months ago
It’s disappointing that you discredit criticism of harm to another living creature while considering materialism like a house a bigger hypocrisy. They’re not mutually exclusive.
And you’re correct, I have never “owned” a dog. I’ve shared my life journey with many, but I didn’t “own” them. They’re not property even if the law and society view them as such. You conditioned your dog to cower at the sight of you picking up a remote? For fuck’s sake, you conditioned your dog to cower at a behavior that resulted in no physical consequence, just the idea it could result in physical consequence. What the fuck is wrong with you!?!
Jax 1 point 7 months ago
Yeah I would recommend getting back into an English class, maybe just like start all over from the beginning. Get a fresh start, refresh your brain. Maybe you'll be able to learn how to read.
infinitesunrise 27 points 7 months ago
Hasan Derangement Syndrome. It's not just the consultant class that's to blame, the DNC is just as infested by corporate interest and PACs as the Republicans. The average Democrat rep's platform does not align with the average Democratic voter's priorities. Hasn't for a long time.
ZombiFrancis 22 points 7 months ago
Hasan continues to be an effective litmus test.
Like, if in 2026 you're responding to the call to actively take time and energy out to hate on Hasan, you're squarely an anti-leftist.
starman2112 25 points 7 months ago
People talked about his dog for longer than we talked about the 100+ children the US slaughtered a few weeks ago
TotallynotJessica 15 points 7 months ago
Yeah, I've thought Hasan was a tankie for a while, but joining the shithead neo feudalists in dogpiling him is a terrible idea. Those fuckers are controlled opposition for the fascist oligarchs, and when it comes to fighting fascists you cannot be picky in your allies.
CordialCephalopod -4 points 7 months ago
I think it's a bit much to say that someone who doesn't like Hasan is an anti-leftist. I'll stand by my brothers and sisters in the fight for equality for all but I'm also of the opinion that Hasan is a bit of a douche who probably does more harm than good for the left in the US. I would encourage you to not box out potential allies because of a silly disagreement over a Twitch streamer
infinitesunrise 12 points 7 months ago
More harm than good is crazy, that guy is probably one of the biggest influences in the country in terms of getting leftists to the polls. I think most legitimate criticisms of Hasan just come down to not liking his personality.
ZombiFrancis 6 points 7 months ago
Not liking is one thing. It's another thing to take the next step and put energy into attacking Hasan. As in: the active practice of boxing out Hasan and any fans of Hasan.
Cethin 3 points 7 months ago
You're agreeing with them. They said nothing about people who don't like Hasan. From what I've seen, I don't like him.
They talked about people actively being against him. This is boxing out potential allies. This is what you're against, so you're agreeing with the comment above.
ZombiFrancis 2 points 7 months ago
It's a great example, actually. Trying to re-(re-re-re)hash 2024 is about the most counterproductive thing imaginable. If the dog's dew claw doesn't get purchase, what else is there to go on, right?
pirate2377 10 points 7 months ago
I don't like Hasan Piker and I think he was actively damaging in 2024 (not that he swinged the election, but he sure didn't help). However, shouldn't we be trying to build bridges right now since the left has been bulkanized so hard? The right can unify against the left but apparently the left can't do the same...
sheogorath 28 points 7 months ago
He is trying to build bridges. But the establishment Democrats are terrified of more Zohrans popping up in the Democratic Party.
pirate2377 2 points 7 months ago
Upon reflection, I don't know if that's true. He certainly was the one burning the bridges during the 2024 election. Which is why I'm still conflicted and unconfident in this opinion. I'm just scared that we're allowing the far right to win by fighting amongst ourselves. If the right sweep these midterms like they did the 2024 election, then it's just over for America...
sheogorath 2 points 7 months ago
IIRC, he did a poll during the election stream, and around 80% of his viewers voted for Kamala Harris. The main point that he’s pushing is that he can’t endorse Harris because she’s going the blue MAGA route, and that’s not going to be resonating with the average Joe and Jane on the street. Just watch the video that Zohran did when he’s starting out during his political campaign, doing man-on-the-street interviews. But even Hasan voted for Kamala in the end.
IMHO, there’s nothing wrong with demanding better from the politicians. Just see what Zohran is doing in New York right now. Most of the “difficulties” that the old-school politicians said are just them not giving a shit.
pirate2377 0 points 7 months ago
Even if that was true, I hope you at least know going on a crusade against Democrats does nothing but aid the fascists and billionaires right now. Thus why I suggest we form a coiliation against them first. We're like the Muslim nations in Iberia during the Reconquestia, and we will meet the same fate if we also start fighting the Christians and ourselves at the same time
Tollana1234567 -4 points 7 months ago
hes a grifter though, thats why i dont think he represents the left, hes very wealthy as his family, and he was literally handed a job by CENK.
pirate2377 1 point 7 months ago
I agree that he's a grifter, but the establishment attacking Hasan directly like this does nothing but divide the left more than we already are. How about we drive the fascists out of our government first before we do blood sports within our side? All this does is ensure Hasan's fans who would otherwise vote Democrat will probably consider not voting at all once again despite this being perhaps the most important midterms within our lifetimes
tiredofsametab 8 points 7 months ago
I'm going to guess, and I may be wrong, that a lot of people who would vote for the US Dems have no idea who he is. I didn't until the last year, though I've lived outside of the US for a decade now
ZombiFrancis 19 points 7 months ago
He's hugely popular with people under 30 as far as politics goes. He is turning on an entire generation towards politics while also acting as an alternative to Nick Fuentes and Andrew Tate.
So you can imagine the kind of threat he poses.
Lumisal 3 points 7 months ago
Same, haven't heard of him and moved away for nearly a decade. Just the dog shocking memes.
Good if he's mobilizing young people to vote I guess? But I don't really trust any of the political YouTube people in general - seems there's too much money involved to not be biased.
tomiant 0 points 7 months ago
That's my take as well- the dog shocking thing is all I know about him, and that is alarming, because that has the hallmark of a typical right wing smear campaign, like, obviously that is a bad thing but now his whole thing and message is overshadowed by this one event and it's what being pushed. Getting your dick sucked in the oval office by an intern isn't a great look either, but does that really disqualify literally everything else a person does or has achieved?
If we expect perfect morality of people or we reject them wholesale based on extremely narrow single issues then we can't trust anyone or listen to anyone, ever, which falls in line pretty well with right wing agenda because that's precisely what they want people to think: everyone is immoral, therefore it is ok for us to be immoral, and you should support us because it's all the same anyway.
Lumisal 2 points 7 months ago
I mean, animal torture is pretty high there though.
See, thing is the are not things I've heard of more prominent people who would be easier targets of smear campaigns, like Bernie Sanders or AOC.
And then there's purity testing and holding any morals at all. Purity testing is completely dismissing AOC because of the railroad workers strike vote. Dismissing morals is supporting a talking head that financially benefits from saying things and tortures their pet for appearance purposes.
tomiant 2 points 7 months ago
Not defending it, for sure. Still, though. It's a useful tool for a detractor to pounce on. So don't do that. Because don't hurt dogs , first of all, second that it's something that will be held against you and drown out what good you're trying to do.
With you on the purity tests.
Sgt_choke_n_stroke 7 points 7 months ago
What is going on in here? Most of the comments are blue maga.
whoxtank28 5 points 7 months ago
Mobilize them to do what? Not vote?
starman2112 10 points 7 months ago
The opposite, vote in primaries and try to get people on the ballot worth voting for
whoxtank28 2 points 7 months ago
Thats the key, if you dont get exactly what you want in the primaries, what do you do?
starman2112 1 point 7 months ago
If there's no one worth voting for, don't vote. My disagreements with the candidate I vote for should be about, like, whether billionaires should be taxed at 90% or 95%, not whether or not we should murder a bunch of school children for Israel. There's a difference between not voting for someone because they're not exactly what you wanted, and not voting for someone because they're a war criminal.
Biden had four fucking years to put Trump in jail. Four years to release the Epstein files before Trump got sharpie all over them. Four years to give us healthcare and raise the minimum wage. Instead we got first amendment violations, some infrastructure funding, and an assurance that evangelical christians could spend the next four years trying to bring about the end of the world. I'm not ashamed that I voted for Harris or Biden, but I would not vote for them again. I'll vote for a party that would fight Republicans, not BLAST them with mean words. If that party is the democrats, great. If not, then I'm not voting democrat. I'll write in Abraham Lincoln's Reanimated Corpse before I vote Newsom.
whoxtank28 -2 points 7 months ago
This was the most efficiently I have ever proven my point in my whole career of arguing with people on the internet.
anarchiddy 4 points 7 months ago
I will keep repeating this until the day I die: the democratic political machine cannot function as it exists today without it's not-so-clandestine marriage with capital.
Piker being a massively-popular mobilizer of young voters does nothing to endear him to a party who's entire political infrastructure is directly at odds with his political views on capital, labor, and anti-imperialist geopolitics.
The DNC will sooner drown in it's own piss, shit, and vomit than adopt or promote a political commentator that seeks to rip the party away from its funding apparatus by holding them accountable to their increasingly socialist voting base.
GraniteM 4 points 7 months ago
Liaison and Party Harmony: In the primary campaign your opposition is Jack Hopeful, a member of your own party. Never forget that you will need the support of all your party after the primary and never let your supporters forget it!
This is a very touchy, difficult matter, particularly in a volunteer organization. You are certain to have loyal supporters who are simple souls, unable to think in terms other than black and white. To them Jack Hopeful is the ENEMY - they will commit excesses through misguided zeal. So also will some of Mr. Hopeful's supporters. Bad blood breeds more bad blood; in short order you can have a situation which is completely out of hand, which splits the party wide open, and which will render it impossible for your man to win in the finals.
Since the nomination is valueless in itself, being merely a necessary means to an end, you must prevent this at all costs.
--Robert A. Heinlein, Take Back Your Government
WoodScientist 1 point 7 months ago
Why does anyone care what Walter Cronkite says, he's not even a real journalist. He doesn't even work at a newspaper!
BarneyPiccolo 2 points 7 months ago
I follow politics closely, and I've NEVER heard of this guy.
Star 2 points 7 months ago
That's only true if someone loses. Cancel culture is gone, so outrage is just extra engagement and free advertising.
I'm not saying it's a good thing, but it's a reasonable strategy in the cesspool of a cultural climate we have now.
Not that I think this is actually strategic, just lookin on the brightside.
Tempus_Fugit -1 points 7 months ago
Point proven!
givesomefucks 1 point 7 months ago
Picking a fight with Hasan Piker
Dude is insanely problematic...
Saying the party should toss values aside and just shut up and accept him because he's twitch famous is fucking wild.
He's a fucking nepo baby that got famous working for his genocide denying uncle. If he held half the values he claims to, he wouldnt have a multimillion dollar mansion and spend all his time raising his "brand awareness".
Like, for people who actually listen to this douche, take a second and think about what you hear more about:
The candidate he's supposed to be helping here
How Hasan is smarter and knows more than any politician
You little fuckers are falling for the same grift boomers did with trump
Hello_there 23 points 7 months ago
Timing is problematic. Somehow everyone comes out against him right away? Right after he takes medical aid to Cuba? This has Bernie 2016 vibes to it. Gotta kill the progressive momentum before it gets too big.
Tempus_Fugit 14 points 7 months ago
Care to elaborate on those supposed values us supporters are throwing aside?
givesomefucks -21 points 7 months ago
Normally when someone asks a question, you're more likely to get your question answered if you answer theirs first.
This is a part of basic social interaction often taught in preschool:
Like, for people who actually listen to this douche, take a second and think about what you hear more about:
The candidate he’s supposed to be helping here
How Hasan is smarter and knows more than any politician
Tempus_Fugit 19 points 7 months ago
You asked a question? Looks to me like you just made assumptions and spouted off about how smart you are, ironic really. Classic pot and kettle, which is always funny. Hasan isn't perfect, but the dude has way more good takes than bad ones. I'm guessing he flamed you once and you've had a vendetta since?
givesomefucks -18 points 7 months ago
I do want to congratulate you on not using any slurs this time.
Still comes off like how trump supporters talk tho, you're not fooling anyone.
And I'm definitely not going to be able to explain the intricacies of the English language here, even if I was willing.
Catoblepas 9 points 7 months ago
Two people can suck at once. Maybe even three or more.
EmptyAsparagus 1 point 7 months ago
well, they get paid by the same people, so they serve the same interest
Goodeye8 25 points 7 months ago
Charlatan or not it's still fucking stupid to go after a twitch streamer instead of IDK going after the fascist administration. The only reason they're going after Hasan is because Hasan is presenting an alternative to the "our hands are tied" politics of the democratic party. An alternative would be fine if it also served the corporate overlords of the democratic party but because his alternative is left-wing populism (you know, the stuff Mamdani ran on) it's no good. Can't give people hope for a better America.
givesomefucks -9 points 7 months ago
it’s still fucking stupid to go after a twitch streamer
A candidate invited Hasan to a rally.
A few Dems said that's not a good idea because he's not helping candidates, he's just increasing his own views.
Hasan and his fans never ever mention the candidate Hasan is supposed to be supporting
They change the entire conversation to "Dems don't like Hasan".
Do you legitimately not understand this is exactly what people warned about?
Is the twitch brain rot really so bad you can't realize Hasan is proving everyone right?
Schmoo 4 points 7 months ago
A candidate invited Hasan to a rally.
Hasan and his fans never ever mention the candidate Hasan is supposed to be supporting
The candidate is Abdul El-Sayed who is running for Senate in Michigan. Don't know where you're getting that Hasan never mentions him, they had a whole interview and Hasan has spoken about him frequently since then.
A few Dems said that's not a good idea because he's not helping candidates, he's just increasing his own views.
Hasan has a large platform that he lends to candidates to give them a boost. I guarantee you more people knew of Hasan Piker than Abdul El-Sayed before his interview. This idea that Hasan is just clout-chasing makes no sense. I don't align 100% with his worldview but this whole thing is clearly just a smear campaign organised by Third Way because of Hasan's advocacy for Palestine, opposition to the blockade on Cuba, and his efforts to get progressives elected in Democratic primaries.
TotallynotJessica 5 points 7 months ago
good thing he's just a propagandist and not someone with stable political power. With an actual politician like Newsom, the stakes are much higher
tomiant -7 points 7 months ago
I know nothing about the dude except his fucking shock collar dog and that's allI need to know that I'm being manipulated somehow.
"Here's some dirt we dug up on the guy, which apparently renders all his opinions invalid"
Edit: Ah shit and look at me going exacerbating the problem like a fucking drone
Vupware 1 point 7 months ago
Oh 100%; there’s definitely some foul play and slandering going on. Still, I’m not happy with the way he handled the Cuba flotilla, I’m not happy with his uncritical endorsement of Platner and Sanders.
Vupware 2 points 7 months ago
Really it’s just a colossal waste of resources. The Gaza flotilla made sense because absolutely zero aid was getting in. With Cuba, there are countless international organizations with already established infrastructure that could use the flotilla funds much, much more efficiently.
Also, wasn’t he only there for two days? He could have done more than just vlog; he could have stayed to hand out cash to the needy in droves, what with him being a millionaire and all.
It felt like a disingenuous clout grab to me.
tomiant 0 points 7 months ago
See? Here we are talking about his dog instead of his message. I don't know what his message is, I don't know if I really wanna care, but still.
Edit: My too hasty reading, my bad
Feathercrown 8 points 7 months ago
Wasn't that fake
ZombiFrancis 8 points 7 months ago
Yep. Hasan's hate machine still runs with it anyway, since he draws kids away from the groypers and manosphere shit. They're reliant on the lack of scrutiny.
Lumisal -3 points 7 months ago
Nope, people proved it was a shock collar by finding the exact model when he tried briefly showing it on camera to supposedly prove that it wasn't.
But, that's all I ever heard about him. And partially from all the memes generated. I just assumed he was another American neoliberal talking head. But from reading comments here I guess he's supposed to be a famous leftist?...
DoubleDongle -12 points 7 months ago
Doesn't he shill for the Kremlin?
BetaDoggo_ -1 points 7 months ago
He's a bit tankie but not that tankie
Revolver1864 -27 points 7 months ago
hasan uses a shock collar to keep his dog confined to a small area, he will do it to anything living he deems beneath him. Fuck hasan.
EmpathicVagrant 6 points 7 months ago
What, like an invisible fence situation? Aren’t those insanely common in suburbs and the like?
nandeEbisu 13 points 7 months ago
Nah, there's a clip of his dog tripping on something and yelping while his hand was in a weird spot and people love to dog pile on him.
It doesn't help that he has the worst PR instincts when crises happen.
I'm not a fan, but think he's a net positive. He clearly excuses abuses by China, but also does useful analysis of current events in a historical context with actual analysis usually. It's not like his community is an echo chamber either, they're constantly shitting on him and calling him out of things, but as a whole they stick around, listen and get more involved with progressive causes.
starman2112 3 points 7 months ago
To my recollection, it was an actual remote controlled shock/vibration collar. The exact model people found lets you remove the electrodes altogether to prevent any risk of shock, which people somehow used as proof that he had been shocking her
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