Slopaganda: Coordinated network of inauthentic YouTube channels are pushing secession to Canadians at Alberta and even U.S. annexation.
6 months ago by Deep to c/technology
Hi, American here. Please never come here. While YOU would be mostly safe, we are still a dumpster fire.
Eh, if we manage to get our shit together I encourage everyone to visit our national parks. It's not safe now or for the foreseeable future, but if it is in the future, they really are something to behold.
Here's the great thing, nature is something to behold in most parts of the planet. We don't need to travel across oceans to be wowed by it, we have our own. Sod going to the USA ever again.
What you're seeing, unironically, is a century long conspiracy from billionaires to put the entire North American continent and northern South America under a single fascist state called "The Technate of America".
I shit you not.
Even Elon Musk's grandpa was in on this. And now their dependents are trying (through the MAGA movement) make it happen.
Why is Trump obsessed with annexing Greenland? Why did he invade Venezuela and kidnap Maduro? Why is he starving Cuba and threatening war? Why is he demanding Canada be annexed by America?
This is why. Billionaires are cashing in on their century long investment of colonizing a world power and establishing themselves as the leaders of the world. It sounds moronic and like a conspiracy theory, but its real, and these people are dumb enough to try it.
Guy said the USA is shithole country, if I ever visit Australia, I'm buying you dinner lmfao
Buy most of us dinner, it is not an uncommon opinion
I'll see what I can do!
No, we definitely are trying to use rich whites as a patch on the leaking dam now that we've been trying to deport all the "illegals" as fast as we can (and to get the administration filthy fucking rich). "Rich" in this case being "over $50k/year so we might be able to get them to buy a car and rent an apartment Considering they're talking about lifting the immigration restrictions on white South Africans specifically.
I am just curious, what is making you gross?
For straight white men, it's been that way for at least a decade now...
Genuinely boggled that anyone would think this is not the same geopolitical players behind Brexit and trump. It’s exactly the same. If there was a big red bus with ‘Alberta will be more free in the US’ it couldn’t be more the same.
- it’s not going to happen; it’s never going to happen
- it’s not about seceding or annexation - it’s about politically dividing Albertans specifically, and Canada more generally.
- Again, this is the same psyop playbook, top to bottom - there is nothing behind it except oligarch money and bot farms.
I hope you are right, and generally speaking I believe the same way you do on the matter. Sure they had lineups 2000 people long in every community, but that’s it. Everyone that was going to sign their stupid petitions signed them the first 3 days.
But if you are like me and live here, the sentiment is very much “fuck Ottawa” more than “fuck Canada.” It’s sad how easily affected a population can be when it comes to propaganda like this. It’s sad really. And we thought thought as a society, making sure everyone can read and write a lawful requirement was a good thing.
And we thought thought as a society, making sure everyone can read and write a lawful requirement was a good thing.
It’s not wrong there’s just an evil financial incentive to keep literacy at a certain level.
It's shorthand for "the federal government".
Though from my POV, opposition to the Albertan oil industry is popular rather than just driven by the federal government. If anything, it seemed like Trudeau wanted to work more with Alberta but faced loud complaints (including court challenges) from the rest of Canada.
Like I'd much rather see a long term strategy that ends up leaving most of that oil in the sands than any further investment in extracting it. I also interpret "don't worry, it'll be perfectly safe" as "we'll extraxct as much value from this until it fails and if the consequences are severe enough, make sure retirement funds have invested in us so that we have hostages".
I’m definitely a little late getting back to this party, but I never said that “I” hate Ottawa. I said that is the general sentiment in Alberta. “Ottawa” being the default slang to describe the Federal Government, as a commenter replied to you stating. Hopefully that clears some things up.
For some reason, the average Albertan has been brainwashed enough by decades of anti-Fed propaganda that nearly half the population here believes the federal government actively works against Alberta. That Alberta because of its vast resources gets snubbed non-stop and it’s the rest of Canada’s fault. They believe the province just writes cheques out to Quebec, and the rest of the country is stealing our money.
The Trump administration has also been holding meetings with the leaders behind the Alberta separatist movement ( source). At this point I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the US is performing a targeted destabilization campaign against Canada.
They absolutely fucking are doing that. There may be other parties involved, take your pick. Everything surrounding this is basically a Brexit-style psyop.
Alberta has fossil fuels and minerals. America wants them. Simple as that.
They're trying to do it all over the world. It's just easier to do next door bcz it's close by.
And herein lies is the real reason AI is being so heavily funded.
Well, it’s been working for his boss in Israel.
Since we’re in the cursed timeline, Trump will leave office in 2029 and be elected prime minister of Canada.
He's your problem now! No takebacks!
It would be tit for tat for giving us Justin Bieber.
Wasn't he eying Venezuela, recently? Claimed his popularity there skyrocketed after he ... Had their leader abducted
There has been a concerted effort to isolate Canada and the US from each other in recent years. Also within Canada itself the rise of US style individualism has been depressing to see. Its wild how much social media has been weaponized by most nation states to use against others.
Yeah just totally out of the blue!
No reason at all I can figure why he’d do such a thing.
/s
I’m genuinely curious if you were born last week or just live in some kind of context-free amnesiac state.
Hey, just tossing this out there, but rather than have you guys join America, can we join Canada? Just the nice folks, I promise, we don't want the MAGAs either.
let's round all the MAGA up and ship them to MAGA camps where they can MAGA each other until--
wait a sec....
Once again, Putin and his gnomes spreading discord, anything to break the West.
Why would Putin be behind this when Trump has openly talked about annexing Canada and has just recently met with Alberta separatists??
I swear, Westerners will use any excuse to blame China/Russia. There could be an American pedophile procuring children for American politicians and they would still blame Russia. Oh wait... they actually fucking did. Wake up and smell the shit from your own political class.
The West breaks itself by being imperialist warmongers. Some slop Youtube videos ain't gonna do shit.
Don't be dense, all major powers engage in this tom foolery.
https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/...
I have no problem with the statement that the US breaks itself and I hope you are right, but my cynical part tells me it isn't even about nations anymore.
From what we know right now, Russia being behind this is just conspiracy theory. A bad conspiracy theory because it doesn't make any sense:
Let's say you want to make your geopolitical rival weaker. It makes sense to promote California separatism because they would lose a state that massively contributes to its economy (this is assuming that the news is accurate and not just US propaganda). It doesn't make any sense to promote Alberta separatism and give your enemy an extra free state, because that makes it stronger.
This is exactly what the US does when funding Radio Free Asia: it promotes separatist movements in China.
Cheeto likely has compromat on him
Do you want Cascadia?
Because this is how you get Cascadia.
Literally 0 chance that BC would join a MAGA controlled USA.
... Non-zero chance that it would join WA OR and CA, should an actual dual civil war kick off.
Non-zero? How about 100%? Every single person I've ever spoken with about this idea in my life has been on board. I bet 85-90% of the public would support it if the facts could be communicated to them without interference (so, never)
Cascadia would be insanely powerful and competitive on the world stage, probably a superpower.
The immediate problem would be that Idaho, eastern OR and eastern WA are very very seriously trying to do the whole Greater Idaho thing, and are basically chalk full of armed white supremacist theocrat bigots.
So... yeah.
I guess the 'good' news is that western WA has JBLM and a lot of Navy bases, and maybe enough of them would align with Cascadia ... ?
The bad news is the Holy State of Greater Idaho would probably be able to dash and seize Hanford, and then be able to make dirty nuclear bombs.
But anyway...
Throw in Hawaii and then Cascadia and Japan and SK can form a trading bloc, and theoretically be able to back that up with maybe a little bit of the formerly US Navy?
Total spitballing here.
Alaska sure would be completely fucked.
Airline fuel is pretty expensive these days... for some reason... Didn't BC/Yukon already basically say 'fuck you' to US truckers going between Alaksa and the 48, or I am not remembering that right?
I think there was some kind of levy they had to pay, but definitely not a complete ban. I don't think it stuck.
It takes 34 states to declare constitutional convention. Once it starts, no rules. If one of the agenda items include redrawing state lines for more unity, can give more power to groups/states to join separate unions that advance their values.
Dems currently control only 18 State Legislatures.
Best case scenario... (imo):
Dems gain Arizona, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Nevada, New Hampshire, Georgia, North Carolina, Texas, Florida, Virgina.
So thats 27.
So... you'd then have to get 5 Rep State Legislatures on board with this.
Which might (?) be possible, there's still a fair deal of 'National Divorce' sentiment on the right generally.
... and then, all hell would break loose.
Just remember that the Union already set a precedent of burning seceding states to the ground. The US would 100% do it again.
Don't care what they would do.... we all need to stop caring and move forward without them. Let them shit in the pool if they want to, we'll make them eat it when we're done.
California can’t survive intact without the Colorado river, so you need to convince at least NV, AZ, UT, and probably CO to come too. If California left but Nevada was still part of Trumplandia one of the first things they would do is shut off all outflow from the Hoover Dam.
Yeah, thats a great example of where you run into the differences between 'Cascadia' as a bioregion, defined primarily by watershed networks, snd 'Cascadia' as a maybe possible legal/political entity, based on current existing borders.
IIRC, the bioregion Cascadia basically only extends down to bits of Northern California... but the political reality doesn't match well with this at all.
Perhaps state delegates could all send couriers to Goodsprings for a conference, to hash out the details, lol.
Cascadia vs Greater California vs ... New Zion/Deseret?
Political divisions tend to use rivers as borders because they’re naturally difficult to cross, but mountain ranges/watershed boundaries would make much more sense for self-sufficiency among the divisions without excessive squabbling. Although BC/Alberta did a good job in that regard!
So yes, it’s mostly Northern California that could join the Cascadia party. Hence my qualifier of “intact”. Unfortunately, NorCal is predominantly on the red team politically.
It wouldn’t be as devastating (or possible) to cut off the Pend Oreille or Spokane rivers from adding to the Columbia.
For reference, in case anyone wants to see what we're talking about more directly:
https://cascadiabioregion.org/...
(I picked this one because I am a blatant Seattle Supremacist /s)
So yeah, you'd have to overlay this kind of a map with say, county level political maps for the US, apologies to Canadians, I do not know what the Canadian approximate equivalent of a county is.
But yeah, then look at rivers, origin points, watersheds, dams, other critical infrastructure, etc, to see how this could possibly shake out.
The Greater Idaho idea was originally to essentially carve off as many counties in eastern WA and OR, basically east of the Cascades, and... move them into Idaho:
https://moveoregonsborder.org/the-maps/
I ... guess they gave up on trying to take Spokane.
But uh yeah so basically everywhere between the Cascades, down to Medford, down further to Redding... would potentially be a war zone.
Like, I5 south of Portland would be a critical artery and thus a warzone, probably same with I90.
Personally, if this happens, I'm counting it as yet another thing Deus Ex ended up predicting.
There's a conversation you can have with an ex NSF soldier, who tells you about how his squad got wiped out at 'Squalnomie', by other troops with thermoptic camo.
Squalnomie -> Snoqualmie, as in Snoqualmie Pass, I would assume.
Yeah, water distribution would be weaponized.
At 32% approval, and blatant election rigging plans, a constitutional convention should occur instead of planning around impeachment for last 2 years of term.
So you realise that if the US does go to war with Canada, that would mean that NATO would go to war with the United States, Which means that they'll probably lose all their bases in Europe.
It's more likely mealy mouthed Europeans would declare the end of NATO, let Canada fend more or less for itself, and donate thoughts and prayers in abundance. Too bad Canada isn't part of the EU! With its defense article it will rise from B team to prime time.
Yes, the US would lose a lot if its bases in Europe, though probably (and sadly) not all. But this sort of obvious strategic rake to step on hasn't halted the epic blunder in Iran. Why should it stop stable genius here?
Nah, it's quite likely in the current climate that the EU would join in the defence of Canada.
If the USA actually starts an intra-NATO war and doesn't just talk nonsense, everyone in the EU knows we are next. So better do a nice clean proxy war on another continent than to let it spill over to the EU once Canada is down.
Let's hope we don't have to find out;)
Merz is a moron, but if the other bigger states in the EU and the UK align, Merz will follow too.
Remember that Canada is a part of the Commonwealth of Nations
Don't know how much that would weigh, but still
Since the UK brexited out of the Union, this link may be more tenuous to the continent.
That's a misconception. NATO articles don't apply when a NATO member attacks a NATO member.
If Europe does the right thing, they would support Canada, and if they're remotely intelligent they would kick the US bases out of Europe. But neither of those things would be because of NATO.
Canadian or Provincial annexation is a terrible deal for 2 main reasons.
US debt, and power projection, is on a near term collapse trajectory. Insane healthcare, military spending levels for no social services is higher effective tax/oppression rate on people/small business. Changes in provincial (and/or federal) government structure would be extremely disruptive.
Territorial possession of the US is far more likely than statehood. Far less generous autonomy (Quebec especially) granted by Federal government, and autonomy eroded continuously like native treaties have been. Increased north/south trade seems nice, but "real states" will get federal manufacturing incentives, and possessions will be hollowed out to 3rd world level. Jones act regulations on sea shipping means high cost of living.
While tariffs decrease unity as they should, the whole "protect steel and auto workers for outrageously expensive cars in states that don't have those industries" is reason for highest GDP states to secede from genuinely corrupt political process, that propagandizes swing states on national socialist domination of uneconomic operations delivering no results for them, and shit product for the oppressed states.
You definitely do not need to tell anyone on here twice my friend. Your comment could be used in a sub or two over at Reddit though. Then again, they’d probably just drown you out with “fucking libtard” comments.
Yeah, this is basically where I'm at. We don't want to make Canada an actual state. What we want to do, is make it a colony, in the 17th century idea: we rule everything, and whatever you do, it just gets shipped southwards to prop up what's left of the imperial core.
You do realize Canada's debt is higher than USA, right?
EDIT: Always worthwhile getting downvoted but no evidence to the contrary. Typical.
The USA’s debt is about 30 times greater than Canada’s debt. Canada’s total debt is actually lower than the USA’s annual federal deficit. Canada’s *net debt to GDP ratio is far better than the U.S.’s at about 10% compared to over 100%.
Did you specifically mean household debt?
If you lookup debt as a percentage of gdp
USA - 88.454%
Canada - 136%
If you compare debt by capita:
USA - $75.8K per person
Canada - $76.4K per person
I'm using numbers from here:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/...
Which source is telling you USA debt is 30 times greater?
Well I actually just divided $39 trillion by $1.3 trillion all by myself. I made a mistake in my comment and did not state that I was referring to net debt to GDP ratio, which the FRED and IMF and others track. You are correct that gross debt to GDP ratio favors the States. You are also obviously looking right past the column that shows the U.S.’s much larger gross debt, so I’m again curious why you just state “Canada’s debt is higher” when you can see that it isn’t.
American here! Yes please! Start with Cleveland! I live in Cleveland, and I live right on the lake. I'm like a jetski ride away from Canada! We're practically family!
Plus....and this is the important part.....GET ME OUT OF THIS HELLHOLE OF A COUNTRY!!!
I'm kinda surprised nobody has done the opposite of what's on the OP.
I figure there would be quite a few USAians who wouldn't mind to secede to Canada.
My sense, as a Canadian, is that Canadians generally don’t like this idea. We wish the best for you guys down there and hope you manage to figure things out, but we don’t really want to get involved
Fair. We Europeans also don't want US refugees who call themselves "ex-pats".
Canadians aren't going to have a choice but to assert themselves and defend their sovereignty from the empire. Yes, there are Americans who want to be Canadian, but what you'll need to bank on is Americans who want to take back their country from the pedo predator class. Americans like that are not going to win, but they might weaken the empire's ambitions enough that Canada remains free.
you mean russian linked accounts, many propaganda videos are provided by troll farms themselves.
Russian, Indian, Egyptian...anywhere where there are poor people to exploit. Derek from Veritasium made a video studying and tracking troll farms years ago. A lot of those troll farms are from the usual suspected countries, where dire poverty push them to desperation, and are exploited by powers-that-be.
Who coordinates it? I mean, isn't this the political influencing the right wing fears so much?
But the Left doesn't want it to happen, so you can see how their hands are tied.
Canadians are generally far too educated for this to become more than a nuisance. It’s still concerning, but it’s great to see how it brings out the morons :)
This world is going mad.
A bunch of YouTube channels that no one watches anyway. Nothing burger.
YOU don't watch it. But I've watched in real time while videos like this appear on relative's feeds while they doomscroll as they uncritically absorb everything that appears. Sometimes watching the same video two or five times because the damn app loops. And when I point out "you know that's bullshit right?" The response is always some variation of: "I wasn't paying attention to what it said I was just watching." But they are absorbing it because days or weeks later they will parrot that same BS at me in a conversation.
Okay, fair enough. But do you think something like this would convince someone not already committed to secession? I can see how it would be appealing to support a narrative someone already has, but do you think it actually convinces people to change their mind on the issue?
On its own in a vacuum, no. But that's why propaganda is seeded across multiple sources over extended periods in places people are half checked out in mentally. It's the same reason advertising works. That one advert won't get you, but if you hear a jingle, see a commercial, a billboard, an ad, an endorsement, a logo at your favorite team's sports park... Ever wonder why your favorite softdrink is your favorite softdrink?
These propagandistic channels only need to plant the seeds of an idea, regularly feed it, wait until people are convinced the idea is their own, then wait for a counter pushback. That's when the propaganda really takes root. Just like with Q or flat earthers, they will dig in to defend themselves from anyone challenging them. Logic need not apply. Push back only makes their conviction stronger.
I agree with all that. I haven't been paying too much attention. Has separatist feeling been increasing? My feeling (based on nothing) was that it was static around 20%.
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I rarely get ads, thanks to pihole. But whenever my server is down for maintenance etc. I get spammed with "Visit the USA!" and "America the Beautiful" ads. I live in Australia... Why the fuck would I want to visit that shithole country?
It seems like the US is drowning and is trying desperately to get more people in to replace the "illegals" they're deporting. Maybe I'm just their target audience (straight, white, male) ughh.... makes me feel gross.
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