A stable government is not one you can overthrow.

Governments (nations) are in their nature not stable. Governments can be overthrown at any moment. It is a question of how many are willing to participate, which is not that many.

because you can’t have a communist revolution when stuff is going well

Not Lenin's reasoning, nor is it as a statement true. Revolutions have happened exactly at points where things were looking up, take the transitions that have happened in history where monarchies were superseded by the liberal state. It is not a cyclical trend where, oh no, we have some sort of downtrend in productivity or some other sort of crisis and then the magical revolution comes to save the day. Revolutions happen because systems are forced to adopt organisational structures that satisfy (novel) needs, not because of shittiness.

When the provisional government came along, granted free speech rights and universal suffrage

The provisional goverment was unelected and self-appointed, arrested people for arguing in favor of refusing to fight in WWI, and after months of protests said they would allow women to vote whenever they got around to having an election but women couldn't vote until 20 and men 18.

Lenin wasn't opposed to the provisional government when it came along because he was in Germany and didn't know how mad a lot of people were at the random gang of Chuck Schumers from the Tsarist government who had declared themselves in charge, ignoring the Soviets that were already forming an elected government, and spent months stalling their version of an election so they could keep the incredibly unpopular WWI going.

Lenin started opposing the provisional government after 20k awol marines with machine guns showed up at his office saying they hated it, he said ok and then spent a couple months writing a book to explain why the angry guys with guns have a point.

If he was trying to be accelerationist he would have just hyped up the marines and let them shoot everybody instead of following the path of least resistance to a stable government that could last 6 months without a coup.

I think you forgot the part where the provisional government wanted to keep drafting people to feed into the pointless meat grinder of WWI, which Lenin opposed rather strongly.

It’s voting for Trump

Accelerationism is when you vote. And the more you vote, the faster things get

Reminds me of this meme:

I don't think utopias are a bad idea in general, but if they somehow are only reachable by collapsing most of the current system before any groundwork can even be attempted... a form that can be developed in parallel and take over at some point makes much more sense.

Think about the transition and hopefully it doesn't require nuclear war.

Obviously, we shouldn’t need to detail “villains bad” in media, but with so many of them having “from the ashes” plans, I’d like to see more heroes deconstructing their approach like this.

Yeah the take plays against their point and into the hands of fascists. A common retort from "capitalists" goes "well why doesn't your economic system compete on the free market? If it's so good it will rise to the top." You believing your ideology will defacto rise from a blank slate after society collapses lends credence to that argument. (Which is flawed in so many ways)

Me and who 😳

get shot rearing an ad for Amazon(tm) Bezz-box(r) rented apartments on Mars.

No need to market to you when they simply extract your labour and rent and you buy the swill that is cheapest to you.

A lot of the far right is accelerationist. They've been hoping for a "race war" for many decades. Then there is the newer Effective Accelerationism/Network State/Dark Enlightenment stuff that the ultra wealthy seem to be into.

idk, I feel like in particular the arguments I've had advocating for UBI with people arguing against it from a left wing perspective, those arguments often tend to be basically accelerationist (that it would be bad to improve things for people in a way that enables the continued existence of capitalism) or at least gesture at that. And as others have pointed out, the right is even more outwardly accelerationist.

Aren't all the Plantir people (well people with money high up) epushing for an accelerationist movement with their stuff? I would think the billionaires are serious is all. Mean it sounds freaking stupid to me but I don't have the bullhorn that the people who have all our private data does is all. However with the US they're using project 2025 as a starting point before they buy up everything after it breaks. Least that's what it appears, mean the VP is picked, groomed and supported by Theil. Just have to let them break enough then swoop in and mould a society they wanted. It's not something 99.99% of what people would want from what I can tell.

Perhaps I'm missing some subtly which I will say I haven't really looked into the definitions a lot but I don't think with current forces is as much of a strawman as it may seem is all. Though I don't think people on that side would want the same outcome as Mr Green is all.

I believe nuclear war will bring a better planet.

I mean, there will be no more humans alive, but thats what will make the planet better!

The candidate the social democrats wanted won and he's the guy who appointed Hitler chancellor! There was a three way race between "literally Hitler," "guy who will put Hitler into a position of power" and "not Hitler" (Thälmann) and somehow libs are still mad that "not Hitler" was on the ballot.

The social democrats were the ones with the brilliant plan of punching left in favor of a "center"-right coalition, and they actually won and got what they wanted and wound up in the camps as a direct result of it!

No prizes for guessing what happens when you trust the bourgeois parties to be an ally against fascism.

Capitalists: take notes on what the Nazis did wrong and tiptoe around it

Wrong guy. Thallman gave a speech in Hamburg in May 1932 about the launch of the Antifa organization criticizing anybody thinking they can benefit from Hitler taking power and warning you can't play with fascism. Then a book in the 1970s picked out where he's quoting the idea he's against and only quoted the quote trying to manufacture this convenient ironic twist where actually communists deserved to die in death camps.

The head of the SPD social democratic party paramilitary wing Reichsbanner gave a speech in February 1933 (right after Hitler took power, right before the Reichstag fire) and did actually say "after Hitler our turn" arguing it was good to let Hitler expand the military because the SPD would get a cool new army when they won the next election.

choked on a bone in a pie eating contest, which was weird because it was an apple pie?

Nope. Fascism is there to stay for the next decade regardless of what happens to Trump.

Oh, no. People will rise up eventually. It's just a shame that most people turn out to be olympic athletes in mental gymnastics and delay the realization to the next generation(s).

oh goodie. question that has absolutely no bearing on reality whatsoever: so in Austria and Germany there had to have been people who, before WW2, were crippled. I know war leaves people crippled but i'm curious as to the fate of those who were crippled before the war. No reason whatsoever ignore the cane and wheelchair and cabinet full of glue.

aw who am i kidding they're gonna turn me into glue

Someone do a version of the comic with this guy’s comment as the text of the first panel, please.

Sure, but only if you naively believe that electoralism is an acceptable system. Many, many anarchists would vehemently disagree with you though.

Yep very few actual believers but if you don't support their "pragmatic" suggestions that throw billions under the bus they accuse you of this.

It does, thanks, that's pretty cool ! 🥰

Please use punctuation.

Potentially at the expense of all non-microbial life.

There's pretty much no evidence we will wipe ourselves "out" through climate change.

Really really fuck ourselves over? Sure. But it's not going to kill literally everyone.

We have to figure out how to live together with the planet one way or another, and one day.

There’s also climate accelerationism

Trump has done more to curb emissions with the closing of Hormuz than the last five presidents combined.

I'm fine with the logic of a species going extinct because they destroyed their own ecosystem, but intentionally accelerating that process is what I can only describe as evil. It's doing massive harm for no benefit. It won't save the planet's current inhabitants from further damage; the real motivation is genocide against humans.

Only if you consider that the world revolves around humans.

That's iike living in a house that is falling apart and saying if I just let it fall apart completely then I won't need to fix the house

I think they're thinking "shit I can barely survive and have two jobs and I don't want my kids to starve and I'm taking care of my elderly parents. I can't go riot or my whole family will suffer."

average liberal already knows the US is fascist

No. They always think the current moment is the exception and everything way very respectable and dignified historically.

That's why you've got liberals venerating Reagan, Clinton, and Bush, having completely whitewashed the horror of those presidencial eras from their minds.

No. Many far left groups we're literally saying the same shit in the comic.

I genuinely don't get this stance - are you as okay with far right marches as pro-worker strikes and pickets?

Except they don't believe this at all and maybe we should fight so there is no pro genocide option instead of one you assign lesser pro genocide.

Why are you generalizing a whole generation?

As a millennial, you should understand that there's no coherent volition behind surplus objects like Gen Z. Do you remember how the US just added every muslim to the list of terrorists or how suddenly all single mothers in the UK became a parasite?

Trump was elected under millennials, not Z. Americans in general are apathetic - it's a culture issue, not a generational one.

I see that difference extremely clearly now that I live in Finland.

As a millennial who remembers massive climate change and anti Iraq war protests I get it.

Stop crashing out... :)

No but I think its because of never ending negative things happening. People stop to care because they cant affect it.

My friends just say I'm crazy and I'm on the dark web for using Lemmy and telling them how bad google and fb are 😆 they dont believe anything I tell them.