Financial Times drops the mask

2 months ago by Viking_Hippie to c/aboringdystopia

MisterNeon 86 points 2 months ago

I'm an American. Y'all Europeans don't believe the horse shit they got most of my countrymen to accept.

Also, that Janan Ganesh guy looks like a putz.

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Not_mikey 83 points 2 months ago

Defend the continent from who? The teetering regime that has spent the past 5 years drawing the poorest country on the continent to a stalemate?

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Prunebutt 17 points 2 months ago

And the same regime definetly has the power to rule territory in which it's despised by the majority of the population. /s

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drmoose 7 points 2 months ago

War is very expensive though. It makes sense to spend fraction of that on a deterrent and that's one thing EU does really well is to hedge all investments for overall stability. This is more of the same.

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Valmond 23 points 2 months ago

Interestingly it's always the welfare state that has to be sacrificed, that is too expensive etc. The foundation of our democracy IMO.

But at least the americans think about us and want to help us! /s

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FooBarrington 3 points 2 months ago

Defend the continent from people whose countries are becoming unlivable, and from missing out on all the resources we might want to procure.

I'm afraid we've really entered into a new era of increasing aggression and warfare.

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stickyprimer 1 point 2 months ago

Well, kinda, yeah. The only reason that has been a stalemate is that Europe mustered a bunch of support for Ukraine, at great expense. They’ve needed to gather and regather the will to spend money on this throughout, if you’ve been paying attention you’ve seen it.

Now I totally object to someone saying they need to dismantle their social programs to dump all that money into warfare, but neither should we say there is no threat at all.

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staph -3 points 2 months ago

What exactly will happen if there are suddenly "separatists" in Narva?

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BlaestEgnen 4 points 2 months ago

There's 2.200 soldiers in Tapa which I assume would be deployed immediately.

There's a total of 27.000 soldiers deployed as part of the Enhanced Forward Presence NATO deference. So they need a little more than just "separatists"

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Wildmimic 53 points 2 months ago

What about taxing wealth, while reducing mass taxes like the VAT to finally get people to spend again? Increasing peoples salaries would also help, and capping rent to what it costs to ensure upkeep and needed new construction - i think that would easly do the trick to fill the states coffers and get the economy out of this slump instead of filling the bank accounts of shameless, greedy people. Those will find other ways to enrich themselves, maybe through the defense industry.

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ShaggySnacks 28 points 2 months ago

And take money away from the hard working Epstein Class!?

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WoodScientist 12 points 2 months ago

We should have a 20% annual wealth tax on fortunes over a billion dollars. Staying a billionaire should be like trying to swim up a waterfall.

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ivanafterall 10 points 2 months ago

Under FDR in 1935, if you made more than $5 million, you paid a 79% tax rate.

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Valmond 8 points 2 months ago

Yeah but that's income, the billionaires don't do that any more (loopholes loopholes!)

Tax the compound wealth (too).

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BlaestEgnen 6 points 2 months ago

The other alternative is a 100% inheritance tax above a threshold, and make it impossible to transfer wealth to the next generation

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WoodScientist 2 points 2 months ago

I'm talking wealth, not income. If your total net worth is $1.2 billion, this year you owe the IRS $200 billion.

The idea is that we make being that rich an extremely temporary condition. It's like trying to run up a downward moving escalator or run against a moving sidewalk.

In fact, I would tune the tax structure to harness some of the competitive impulses of the wealthy. People that rich view their net worth as a high score. They literally view it like a personal life score. It's just a video game to them. When your net worth goes from $10 to 20 billion, your lifestyle changes very little. Past a certain point, it's just about bragging rights.

So I would harness this impulse. I would tune the tax rates so that it actually would be possible for a handful of the absolutely most skilled business owners to maintain wealth slightly above a billion (or whatever inflation-adjusted level we set) for a limited period of time. Those owning the world's most profitable companies will be able to stay a bit over the threshold for the years their company is at its peak.

If you did this, you could actually harness the competitive instincts of the rich. Remember, it's all about getting a high score. But instead of competing for the largest fortune, they would compete for how long they're able to stay on the treadmill. Instead of size, they compete for time. A year or two would be a feat. A decade above the threshold would be a once-in-a-generation achievement. You would know these people by name. They would be famous. Staying above the wealth cap for any prolonged period would make you as famous as Musk or Bezos today. The rich would still get to compete with each other for bragging rights. They still compete for a high score. We just change what the score measures.

I don't want to eat the rich. I want to harness their greed. Imagine a donkey being lead by a carrot. Except the donkey is on a treadmill, and the treadmill is powering an electric generator. I want to turn every billionaire into that for the public treasury.

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derAbsender 0 points 2 months ago

Because these locusts leave and take everything that is taxable with them.

And i doubt a one time moving Tax is a good deterrent.

The only Thing the state could do is seizing the means of Produktion before Hand, but we can barely Imagine a wealth Tax. State capitalism is was of the Charts for Most peoples Imagination.

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HetareKing 2 points 2 months ago

They can't take real estate with them, and there's no reason why a foreign owner of real estate can't be taxed more than a local owner. Dividends of stocks in local businesses can still be taxed, as can transfers of ownership of those stocks on the local stock exchange. They're also dependent on the state they left for any governments bonds they own as well as for enforcing any loans local legal persons owe them.

They can sell all those things, of course, but that just means other people have to start paying more taxes.

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Wildmimic 1 point 2 months ago

So we have to make sure that most of the world implements these taxes. Tax havens should be ostracized. In this specific case, there's no need for a communist revolution, just political will to change something, diplomacy and unwillingness to budge towards countries who don't want to play fair.

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derAbsender 1 point 2 months ago

So we have to make sure that most of the world implements these taxes

Arent we already trying?

Tax havens should be ostracized.

Why should they care? They have more Money now. Of course not as much as they could have, but more than they Had previously.

In this specific case, there's no need for a communist revolution, just political will to change something, diplomacy and unwillingness to budge towards countries who don't want to play fair.

The people everywhere already try the diplomatic way, but breaking political will with capitalist media is part of the counter Offensive of the Bourgeoisie against the reformist struggle.

The need to Organize is equally important in reformist battles as in revolutionary Battles. Furthermore, the dependancy of the plan on global scale action means organization of scale unheard of in human History.

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Amberskin 46 points 2 months ago

So let’s kill what makes our countries worth to live in.

Fuck you, bootlicker!

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ThePowerOfGeek 44 points 2 months ago

Because austerity measures worked so well after the housing bubble burst. πŸ™„

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BananaTrifleViolin 33 points 2 months ago

I am worried about Russia and it's behaviour, but I totally disagree with this narrative across Europe about spending more on defence.

We spend plenty as it is, we just need to reorganise things and integrate our armies and navies. So many resources can be freed up by removing pointless duplication and redundancy, without spending more money at the expense of other parts of our economies.

It won't happen because nationalism is a disease that infects almost all European countries.

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motogo 10 points 2 months ago

We just have to invest in European defense systems and stop buying shit from US. Funding the fascists is unacceptable

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mattyroses 6 points 2 months ago

Exactly.

OK, if you're worried about Russia, let's build a few more nukes and drone factories, and call it a day. Unless you're trying to project power (the US) or use weapons manufacture as a fill-in for failed industrial policy (the US and now Germany), that's all you need.

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abc 2 points 2 months ago
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mattyroses -1 points 2 months ago

If you want to help Ukraine, feel free to go volunteer. There's plenty of conscripts there happy to change places with you.

Using them as a proxy to bleed Russia is not helping anyone except the US and weapons manufacturers.

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ohulancutash 2 points 2 months ago

The Royal Navy currently has fewer than 20 vessels active, including coastal boats. This is not enough to secure fisheries, defend the home islands, interdict drugs before they arrive, and to keep open the global shipping lanes Britain relies on existentially. There is no redundancy. Until earlier this year, only one Type 45 destroyer was operable. It had to be removed from its duties and sent to defend Cyprus from air attack, but it took a week to get it ready to leave.

Since the 2010 Strategic Defence Review, British military capability has been gutted. A large investment is now needed to course correct. Many European powers fell into the same complacency trap at the same time.

Some countries, like Ireland, have never had adequate military capability. Ireland has no surface to air missiles - not even a radar tracking system - and no jet aircraft at all. Again, half of its 8 naval vessels are inactive. Russia has been camping out in or near Irish waters happily doing whatever they please. Considering the amount of European data going through Ireland, this is a concern and the Dail is considering whether they need a more comprehensive military.

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TankovayaDiviziya 31 points 2 months ago

I remember years ago reading an article complaining that Germans are too frugal and their frugality will negatively impact the economy because of lack of consumption. And I thought to myself: "Hang on. I thought they tell us to spend only on what we need?" And if we do spend as they have wanted, the elites will say this is why we can't afford a house because we spent it all on avocado toasts.

This is the hypocrisy, gas lighting and double standards of capitalism. They tell us such and such is good, and when we do exactly what they tell us, and it has had negative consequences, they say it's our fault. It reminds me of one of the episodes in the first season of Squid Game, in which the players were winning but the games master broke the rules to handicap the players.

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mattyroses 16 points 2 months ago

Wish this wasn't evergreen.

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RememberTheApollo_ 28 points 2 months ago

The people are what makes the continent.

If you stop defending the people, what are you defending?

Wealth. The wealth of companies and individuals that have no loyalty except to themselves.

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Viking_Hippie 4 points 2 months ago

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poVoq 25 points 2 months ago

Only desperate people, right-wing gun nuts and neo-nazis join the army voluntarily, so that sounds about right.

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RedGreenBlue 23 points 2 months ago

Europe could get more for less if they bought less low quality, super expensive, american made, defensive shit.

I hear Ukraine have some interesting and well proven kits for cheap.

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drmoose 5 points 2 months ago

Tbf a lot of that spending is to keep relationships with the US. That's kinda the entire shtick of EU is to bind competing parties through global economy and while Russia is an outlier I do think it's mostly a success story.

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Valmond 4 points 2 months ago

Yeah but what about binding our economy with some other countries (that don't threaten to attack us)?

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ReluctantZen 4 points 2 months ago

They're working quite actively on that with things like Mercosur, the free trade agreements with India and Australia and strenghtening ties to Canada among other things.

Many were already in the works, but got boosted considerably when Trump got in for a 2nd time.

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Valmond 1 point 2 months ago

Yeah I know, irony at its finest 😁

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SaharaMaleikuhm 2 points 2 months ago

I would assume the Ukrainians are not looking to sell right now.

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Rothe 4 points 2 months ago

On the contrary, it is one of their main sources of income.

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Tabula_stercore 2 points 2 months ago

License the build in another country and get some of the produce.

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kilgore_trout 22 points 2 months ago

Β«OpinionΒ» pieces are a way for news media to cover their asses.

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RememberTheApollo_ 20 points 2 months ago

No way to make more rich people richer than to sacrifice the underclasses benefits.

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Valmond 5 points 2 months ago

It's so unjust that I don't have everything!!

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OldChicoAle 19 points 2 months ago

Janan Ganesh wants to suck billionaire dick and lick their boots

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Rothe 7 points 2 months ago

Yeah.

Ganesh co-authored Compassionate Conservatism (2006) with Jesse Norman, which received the T. E. Utley Memorial Prize for young journalists.

Norman and Ganesh argue that Britain faces the two great problems of trust and security in the 21st century, and only a compassionate conservatism as expressed by Conservative prime minister David Cameron can provide the understanding of what British society is and could be that is necessary to solve them.

"Compassionate Conservatism", well there's an oxymoron for you. And "as expressed by David Cameron" of all people. This guy really does not care about being credible, does he?

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Pollo_Jack 18 points 2 months ago

Just stop subsidizing the rich, problem solved.

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LandBasedDaveyJones 17 points 2 months ago

No, that's like dad straight up saying "I know you need new clothes for winter, but I don't like you and I do like drinking, so I'm going to spend our money at the bar instead."

Saying we don't have the money to feed the poor is at least having some shame about it.

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aesthelete 16 points 2 months ago

In the US we don't really have money for either.

It's mostly deficit / debt spend. But don't worry, we'll always be able to service debt easily because the USD is standard and in large amounts of demand. Nobody would ever be stupid enough to screw that up and get people to look for alternatives.....oh wait, here's that Trump guy again.

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Viking_Hippie 15 points 2 months ago

In the US we don't really have money for either

Yeah you do. Your corrupt politicians just keep giving most of it to the rich and powerful, and their corporations.

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drmoose 13 points 2 months ago

As non American it's always funny to see one of the richest country in the world never have any money for anything but yachts and mcmansions. Have americans checked their couch cushions? There must be 1 healthcare there somewhere.

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gandalf_der_13te 3 points 2 months ago

last time i checked the federal budget in the US was 23% of total GDP, with about 6% of GDP being from new debt. so the rest (17% of GDP) came from taxes. the US does tax, just too little IMO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/...

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village604 2 points 2 months ago

It's all going as planned.

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SaharaMaleikuhm 1 point 2 months ago

Whose plan tho?

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LuckyBoy 15 points 2 months ago

Europe drops the welfare state for fucking what? To spend money in weapons from usa? The same weapons that usa can disable remotely while they treat to invade iceland?

Nice...

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PhoenixDog 5 points 2 months ago path: 0 25121293 25121663, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 0
Alaknar 2 points 2 months ago
  1. Europe doesn't drop anything, it's an opinion peace from the Financial Times.

  2. No, not US weapons (or rather: not only). The EU-based military industry is currently booming with countries ordering tonnes of stuff from Germany, Poland, Sweden, and France. All locally designed and built gear.

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YeahIgotskills2 2 points 2 months ago

My favourite right-wing trope is that the US can't have socialised healthcare because they spend so much on defending Europeans so that they can.

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GalacticSushi 15 points 2 months ago

Financial Times has been maskless for a long time.

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UnderpantsWeevil 5 points 2 months ago

It's sort of there thing. FT is where the business people go to talk about business. The NYT is where they go to scream "Ah! Socialism! China! Migrant Caravans! AI Gap!" at the rubes.

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some_kind_of_guy 3 points 2 months ago

It's the highest priced subscription of any paper by far. That alone should tell you something.

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raspberriesareyummy 13 points 2 months ago

I normally don't wish death on people, but the author of this hate-piece....

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gandalf_der_13te 7 points 2 months ago

you don't need to wish death on him, just for him to follow his own advice and actually go to war

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liking625 13 points 2 months ago

Where is a good guillotine when you need one.

Or better, send the asshole and perhaps his family to a war somewhere, so he knows first hand what he is asking about.

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mattyroses 3 points 2 months ago

There's plenty of conscripts in the trenches in Ukraine who will swap spots with these NAFO chickenhawks in a second . . .

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UltraGiGaGigantic 12 points 2 months ago

The class war doesn't stop happening if you dont fight back.

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mrbutterscotch 7 points 2 months ago

I agree that Europe need to spend more on defense and be less dependant on the US, but tax the rich for crying out loud! Welfare does not need to be cut for this.

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blackberry28 0 points 2 months ago

We do not need to spend more on defense, cos there is no threat. I mean Russia is losing against Ukraine, how tf are they supposed to be a threat for the rest of europe? And neither China nor India are threating Europe. The only answer I MIGHT accept is defense against the USA.

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mrbutterscotch 2 points 2 months ago

Well yes, exactly. A fascist USA is a good example for a threat if they don't get their shit together over there.

And Russia is absolutely a threat. We have been in a cold war with them for quite some time without even knowing it. Russia is a large part of why right-wing extremists parties are so popular in Europe. They are actively destroying democracy in Europe. That is an existential threat, at least to our values as society and democracy.

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AlteredEgo 1 point 2 months ago

Yeah Russia under Putin has been interfering a lot, starting with climate change denial - but that is only possible because social media lets them. Without meaningful moderation to stem "agitprop" and hate speech and propaganda, there is no defense. Meanwhile spending more on the military industrial complex to build up this massive lobbying force that undermines democracy is the exact wrong reaction. We need to either demand the social media moderate and properly ban botnets and state agents, or ban them and create a European (moderated) alternative. You can't have for profit news or social media and expect democracy to work.

Obviously being Anti Russia doesn't change the historical fact that the CIA/NED funded and facilitated the protests and regime change in Ukraine and empowered Ukrainian Nazis to turn Ukraine Anti-Russia. And that Russia has legitimate security concerns about a Nato aligned, Nazi infested Ukraine. Which again, a military proxy adversary to Russia wasn't what we needed to fight Russia's interference. Putin/Russia does want to undermine and weaken Europe, and in that way they also profit from the destabilization the Ukraine war has caused. It's a similar dynamic to Bin Laden turning the US warmongering into overdrive and therefor ruining the US.

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mrbutterscotch 1 point 2 months ago

I agree on Europe needing its own moderated alternative to US social media.

But let's not repeat Russian propaganda on how Ukraine is "Nazi infested", it's quite the opposite, the Russian regime is the most fascist government of our age. Russia has "legitimate" security concerns about Ukrainians choosing democracy and Europe over Russian fascism. How people still fall for the reversal of the victim/perpetrator relationship in this conflict astounds me to this day.

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fodor 0 points 2 months ago

Ah, the US dependence myth strikes again. #merica

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JcbAzPx 3 points 2 months ago

So you're just shifting money to defense for shits and giggles then? Not because the US is no longer a reliable ally footing most of the western defense bill?

Okay.

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mrbutterscotch 2 points 2 months ago

How is it a myth? Europe is lacking for example in high-altitude air defense systems. Or are there European Systems that I am unaware of?

And thats just one example of many. Just look at how much of the European air force is composed of US Jets.

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jaybone 7 points 2 months ago

Given what Russia is doing, and how the US is bailing on its European allies, it does make sense for Europe to focus a bit more on defense, sad to say.

The US otoh has no excuse.

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dudeface 18 points 2 months ago

The US maintains a military the size it does to control the world economy

I’m sure Europe are spending a bit more now but I don’t think we need to worry about our neighbours like Russia, and legitimate defence is cheaper than what the USA does

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Rothe 1 point 2 months ago

Sure, but not at the expense of the welfare state. The two can defiintely co-exist.

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jackintosh 6 points 2 months ago

In Holland the new center-left government proposed a β€œfreedom tax” to fund the army, which was widely supported. They implemented it half heartedly though, so there’s no line of β€œfreedom tax” on your tax report. But the model might definitely work elsewhere

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Viking_Hippie 14 points 2 months ago

center-left

β€œfreedom tax” to fund the army

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drmoose -1 points 2 months ago

I don't get it. Seems like a very center left thing? You socialize the costs for protecting your freedoms - a freedom tax if you will.

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Viking_Hippie 12 points 2 months ago

Pretending that military spending is about "protecting your freedoms" is jingoistic (and thus right wing) propaganda.

Also, a few corporations, billionaires, and hectomillionaires get richer every time military spending goes up. Taxing everyone to pay them is a reverse Robin Hood move not in accordance with left wing ideology.

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drmoose -3 points 2 months ago

How does a community of people protect themselves if not collectively pooling their money to "buy guns"?

There's nothing left or right wing here - spending on protection is needed be paying someone else to do it or developing your own guns. So despite the flavorful wording here of "freedom tax" i dont see how this could be anyone's problem.

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mirshafie -4 points 2 months ago

You know, whether you like it or not, there are bad people out there who will attack you if they think you look weak. There's a pecking order to the world and the ones with the big guns think they have to go around and rub some "shithole country" into the dirt ones every 5 years.

I believe that we, as a species and by mutual agreement between peoples, must rid ourselves of weapons in order to defuse and degrade the capabilities of despots and mercenaries. But unilateral disarmament won't work when a few countries think its their civilizational duty to come and murder your mother and extract your resources.

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mattyroses 2 points 2 months ago

The military spending is not protecting any freedoms

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ReluctantZen 5 points 2 months ago

Center-left is a big stretch. There's a (sort of) center-left party in it, but the other 2 are center-right to right and you can see that in their proposed policies.

Also, the "freedom tax" affects the lower and middle class more than it does the rich class.

And they still cut back on the welfare state.

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PsycyTuna 5 points 2 months ago

What center-left government are you talking about? There's not a single leftist party in the government.

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abc 6 points 2 months ago
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Ramsesder13te 3 points 2 months ago

I hate this US- American "We HaVe To DeVeNd OuR sElVeS" propaganda BS. They only have two borders. In theory no one would give a shit about them if they were actually only caring about they're safety!

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itsjustachairmary 3 points 2 months ago

'We will kill so many brown people abroad just to kill welfare' - Liberals

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djdarren 3 points 2 months ago

It's like the author saw the gap in the market left by the glorious demise of Rod fucking Liddle, and figured he'd toss his hat in the ring.

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fodor 2 points 2 months ago

Well, you know, no way to defend if you forget about nuclear weapons, lol.

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ohulancutash 0 points 2 months ago

Yeah but you drop a nuke on a tribe of houthis shooting up ships and people lose their minds. So Brimstone it is.

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UltraGiGaGigantic 1 point 2 months ago

Violence is the only language humanity speaks. No translation necessary.

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HugeNerd 0 points 2 months ago

And Canada wants to join that shitshow?

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Viking_Hippie 8 points 2 months ago

Fun fact: the opinions of The Financial Times do not dictate EU policy. At least not usually 🀷🏻

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BlackLaZoR -4 points 2 months ago

Money has to go from somewhere. And Trump isn't exactly a reliable ally so EU has to increase their own defence spending.

Don't know what's controversial here

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Viking_Hippie 6 points 2 months ago

Don't know what's controversial here

The fact that the vast majority of countries are already spending much more than necessary (yes, even assuming no help from the US) on their militaries and much less than necessary on social programs.

Since the main function of unnecessary military spending is to enrich already rich people and companies and social spending goes mostly to people poorer than average, this is straight up reverse Robin Hood policy.

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BlackLaZoR -5 points 2 months ago

much less than necessary on social programs.

That's just not true. EU states spend tons of money on healthcare and other programs - the price is much higher taxation than US.

And now we have crazy ruskie try hard invading our neighbour and we're paying tons of money to stop him.

And since Trump withdrawn support for Ukraine we have to pay even more to compensate for the crazy US jackass who wants to wage war in the middle east instead.

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Viking_Hippie 5 points 2 months ago

EU states spend tons of money on healthcare

the price is much higher taxation than US.

Fun fact: the US spends more tax money on healthcare than almost every EU member state and STILL it's so fucking expensive when it's free at point of service in most of Europe.

How is that possible, you might ask?

By most of those tax dollars going to insurance and pharmaceutical company profits, marketing, and lobbying to prevent a better system.

And now we have crazy ruskie try hard invading our neighbour and we're paying tons of money to stop him.

True, but guess what? The investment in that particular conflict already paid off so well that Russia is teetering on the brink of economic and military collapse, thus constituting a threat to anyone other than Ukraine and soon might not be even that.

And since Trump withdrawn support for Ukraine we have to pay even more to compensate

Nope. The war is as good as won already and the overwhelming success of the Ukrainian drone program means that they can pay for much more of it themselves now than in the beginning.

Tl;dr: there's no good reason to cut social services OR increase military spending in most EU member states

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BlackLaZoR -4 points 2 months ago

Fun fact: the US spends more tax money on healthcare than almost every EU member state

I see what you did there. US has 5-10x the population than any single EU member state. What matters is spending per capita. Your argument is invalid.

Nope. The war is as good as won already and the overwhelming success of the Ukrainian drone program means that they can pay for much more of it themselves now than in the beginning.

It's not. The frontline is a slaughterhouse with hundreds if not thousands of casualties every day, many of which are rotting on the battlefield as we speak.

If EU was properly armed, this war would be actually over, with borders restored and invader removed from Ukrainian territory. And increased military spending is necessary to ensure this clusterfuck of a war won't happen again in the future

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mattyroses 5 points 2 months ago

That's just not true. EU states spend tons of money on healthcare and other programs - the price is much higher taxation than US.

Funny, I (a very high earner) moved from the US to Spain.

My taxes went from roughly 42% to 45%. I also now get health care and education for my kids at a fraction of the price.

I don't get F-35s that crash in the rain as much, but I'm trying to somehow make due.

And now we have crazy ruskie try hard invading our neighbour

You ever think that maybe the US wasn't sad about that, and in fact wanted that proxy war? Because they said openly they liked it - see the recently departed Lindsey Graham.

The US might benefit from these nonsense games - they certainly profited from LNG sales after they blew up NordStream. But unlike them, we live next to Russia, so maybe it might be in our interest to live peacefully with them, instead of demanding their complete submission to NATO.

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BlackLaZoR -2 points 2 months ago

My taxes went from roughly 42% to 45%. I also now get health care and education for my kids at a fraction of the price

Your particular case is irrelevant.

If you look at total taxation as government spending in GDP, in US it's like ~30%

In France or Germany ~50%

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BlackLaZoR -2 points 2 months ago

You ever think that maybe the US wasn’t sad about that, and in fact wanted that proxy war?

That alone is the argument for US involvement. If the goal is to damage Russia, the support should flow.

demanding their complete submission to NATO.

Maybe that's a correct course of action against country ran by genocidal motherfucker? You seriously think you can live peacefully with Putler? Ukraine thought that too. Funny how that worked out for them

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mabeledo 2 points 2 months ago
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BlackLaZoR -1 points 2 months ago

Social programs aren't worth shit, if they aren't backed by security at national level

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HetareKing 1 point 2 months ago

No amount of military equipment is worth shit if there's nobody to operate them. What kind of loyalty does it inspire when the state will just abandon people because they were unwilling to consider other ways of funding the military? This isn't America, Land of the Masochists.

Make poverty, and income and wealth inequality structurally impossible, then we can talk about reducing funding to social programs.

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mabeledo 0 points 2 months ago
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UnderpantsWeevil -4 points 2 months ago

Certain irony in this article being turned out by a guy who would likely get pulled out of his car and beaten to death in any of the White's Only No Go Zones of Europe.

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freshfusion 8 points 2 months ago

Can you elaborate on the No Go Zones in Europe? I did not hear about any such zone nearby, can you link an article or something?

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abc -10 points 2 months ago
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some_kind_of_guy 2 points 2 months ago

The "no-go zones" trope is a disgusting, racist conspiracy theory created by American right-wing xenophobes, and exported to their anti-immigrant counterparts across the pond. It is a product of the era immediately following the attacks on September 11, 2001.

The main claim is that there are specific areas within European cities which have been "taken over" by immigrants, usually Muslims, which have become "unsafe" for white or non-Muslim citizens to exist in, especially after dark. The more extreme claims state that "islamic extremists" have replaced the existing order with "sharia law".

This is racist, Islamophobic, and false.

In reality, racists and xenophobes simply do not like immigrants (especially the brown kind who talk funny and pray the wrong way) forming their own solidarity networks, running their own schools, and getting involved in their own local governments. They especially do not like them making time and space for their own forms of worship in their own communities, and will often claim that forced conversion is occurring in these areas, and that schools and governments have been "islamized".

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Impractical_Island -2 points 2 months ago
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Ilovethebomb -12 points 2 months ago

We should just nuke Moscow and get it over with. Send one to Tel Aviv while we're at it.

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realitaetsverlust 9 points 2 months ago

Great idea, I'm sure they wouldn't just unload their entire nuclear arsenal in response.

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UltraGiGaGigantic 5 points 2 months ago

Oh no, I will miss out on decades of rent payments!

I will be a shadow burnt into a wall, and my boss will be so fucking pissed I left him short handed at work.

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Ilovethebomb 1 point 2 months ago

She'll be right.

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SaharaMaleikuhm 0 points 2 months ago

I don't even believe Russia is capable of that anymore.

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realitaetsverlust 1 point 2 months ago

Why wouldn't they. They haven't used any and even if we assume they can't finance the upkeep of their entire arsenal, you can be pretty sure they at least finance SOME of them, and idk about you, but with nuclear weapons, one is kinda enough to ruin my day.

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6_Electrons 8 points 2 months ago
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deadbeef79000 4 points 2 months ago

I'm still waiting for Trump to decide to attack Iran with nucular weapon(s)

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Polisheocket 5 points 2 months ago

He still has over 2 years left. Wouldn’t surprise me to do something that stupid

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systemglitch 1 point 2 months ago

It's insane Americans are even allowing him two more years. What happened to those guys, where did the spine go?

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Polisheocket 1 point 2 months ago

We’re too busy working and trying to just survive. They got us right where they want us. And the crazies with all the guns are trump supporters

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ShaggySnacks 4 points 2 months ago

Don't forget nuking the whales!

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ivanafterall 2 points 2 months ago

About damn time.

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