Neat. I paid a business that forwarded the costs to me. Who do I appeal to?

Does this mean UPS is going to stop sending me demand letters for extra money on a thing I already bought, paid for and received?

I keep wondering if they’ll escalate, but I’m refusing on principle.

Yes, technically the truth. In practice the vast vast majority of consumers bought from a business that imported the item. So it's good to highlight people have options, but the broad point of the post stands, that the businesses have the option of pocketing the difference and most of them seem to be taking that option.

That doesn’t matter if you paid inflated prices on already imported goods.

"Pay to play? You mean the peasants get to play? Why?"

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Socialize the losses, privatazie the games. It's crazy when people complain about socialism while these billionaire companies get to reap the best parts of it.

Which is why it needs to be burnt, and then built better.

I think the best system would be not to allow tariffs to be illegally implemented in the first place. But I realize that's asking a lot.

We could at least not have taxpayers foot the bill for businesses to get free money.

There were some businesses passing the fees on directly to the end consumer via tariff implementation fees, but unless you have something like that itemized on an invoice, I believe you would be correct.

Take the total tariff income, divide it by the number of people in the country, and send out the checks.

It's the ONLY legitimate way to handle it.

I'm not sure what other system is even conceivably possible in the general case

How about a check to taxpayers rather than a handout to businesses who had already marked up and profited from the sales anyway?

The system would be not having a lunatic who implements tariffs at a whim and based purely on insider speculation and temper tantrums.

It would at least be a start.

How about lowering prices? Do companies have a straightforward way to do that?

Man for a second I thought you were serious and was getting my pitchfork ready. Bravo.

What good would giving 250 million people each $640 do?

You say that, but something a lot like that already happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/...

Most taxpayers below the income limit received a rebate of at least $300 per person ($600 for married couples filing jointly). Eligible taxpayers received, along with their individual payment, $300 per dependent child under the age of 17. The payment was equal to the payer's net income tax liability, but could not exceed $600 (for a single person) or $1200 (married couple filing jointly)

Most everyone I knew spent it on HDTVs. Economic stimulus indeed.

Even if it was $6, refunding it to us and showing a little respect for a major cash grab fuck up would work wonders.

You forgot to add 'in greenland' at the end. That's why they want it they can set up billionaire land while the rest of the world is 50C in summer.

Your argument amounts to “you dont get your stolen money back because you will spend it irresponsibly.”

Thats sovcit-level quackery.

And you never will. Thanks for playing The Decline of Democracy and Sanity.

What in the jesus brother. I take it you're voting in november

It's ironic

They have to work so hard to survive, and yet, when it comes to thinking, they're incredibly lazy

I genuinely pity them, because I know that as a society, they're only in such a situation because they're beaten into submission and apathy

They're placated by unbelievable convenience, having everything an hour's delivery away, and numbed to the fact that that means someone is slaving (I use that term deliberately) for their laziness

The mental gymnastics to justify every part of that shitty, exploitative excuse for a society are endless

And when they see other cultures, where we are actually free, they point and laugh, because they are too ignorant to understand

I spend a lot of time in 'Murica, under duress

I hate the place, I see the cruelty and ignorance, and I would gladly offer asylum to those who deserve it, but even amongst the relatively civilised, that's a small number

They are quite pathetic. All these decades of saber rattling and pleasuring themselves to the fantasy of American freedom and democracy only to be led passively by the collar into their prison cells.

as long as there things like tiktok, amazon, youtube,etc. yes. and many enough of a income to have creature comforts.

I’d like to see them at least stop melting down at each other and at least unify to remove their problem. I saw a post in the politics sub about Sanders asking them all to just vote and they’re attacking each other across the entire post. This is probably the smallest of the places out there to discuss but if it’s any indication, the same shit will happen this election as well.

They’re resigned to two options and the sooner they accept it the better off they’ll be. The first one is coming up in a couple of months and as many as possible need to be on one page about it.

That was always the plan, my friend.

Good band name

We should be doing a lot more than kicking them out of social groups. They're traitors to our nation who are degrading our quality of life.

But we do what we can on an individual basis. I applaud you. I've removed all of them from my life as well. One of the best moves I've ever made.

Go straight to jail.

Fun fact. That is not in the rules for monopoly. Of included it drags out the length of the game.

Please and Thank You.

I want better for us, and I'm fighting for it, but I have very limited personal power to enact change.

The way "we" looked at those "third-world" countries when I was a child feels like how everyone should be looking at us. Our squalor is not that of unclean water (but that is still true in places) or of systemic violence by the government (but that is still true in places) or of lack of reliable food (but that is still true in places). We have cellphones and internet, cars and roads, and air-conditioning, so we should be happy.

Our squalor is in the apathy and even antipathy a bulk of our fellow citizens have towards others.

The fix is education and awareness, but the means of enacting it have been hijacked. How do I reach someone on the west coast to be kind when I can't touch them from the east coast?

There was a post recently, and I'll link it if I can find it again, about Kevin and his truck, and how helping others builds community. Very wholesome. Community has been lost here outside of the uber-wealthy (they all know each other), or the "poor" who need it to survive. The "middle class" has lost the plot.

But without the refunds, how would Cantor Fitzgerald (where Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick's son is the chair) get their money from the rights to the tariff refunds they bought?

Funded the war didn't they

The issue being that when these companies imported their goods they passed on the cost of tariffs to the consumer. And then they were reimbursed for the tariff by the government. So essentially this is the consumer giving those companies more money, but with extra steps to try to trick consumers into believing they didn’t.

IDK, but it does make sense?

For business that were in on the grift, and/or just gouging customers "because tariffs", it absolutely made sense.

Not gonna happen.

Genuine question; whats stopping me from starting a nonprofit solely designed to benefit me specifically, that i funnel all of my money through for tax evasion purposes

I post this in jest, you seem like you can take it in stride 🙂

Never mix Robitussin and speed, this always happens.

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Are you replying to the right post???

Yes, then (as expected) the companies passed on the cost to their customers.

If there were a competitive marketplace, retailers would be offering refunds to their customers or putting on huge deals so that annoyed customers didn't switch to a rival retailer.

But, when Amazon has some massive chunk of the market, what happens if they piss off a customer? What are they going to do, go to the mall? The mall closed a long time ago.

i purchase stuff from overseas sellers. i definitely paid tariffs this year.

How are there still people who believe this?

Incorrect. There was a famous trendy video of an individual who was told to receive their package they had to pay UPS at drop off for the fees from the tariffs. The delivery driver even understood people weren't happy.

Yes.... buuuut they forward that cost to the consumers. The buisneses dont go:"Wops, we need to pay more for items, lets keep the prices the same for the consumers." They increse the cost for the consumers.

Correct me if im wrong. If businesses raise their prices to reduce the impact of tariffs on profits then the person actually paying the tariff (atleast to some extent) is the end customer, no? Is it not then only fair for the person who actually paid for this to be compensated appropriately when it is deemed unconstitutional?

To me it seems insane that the people who already tossed away the problem further down the chain is to be compensated at all when they are not the ones who have primarily suffered the effects of it. Even if they where first in line to deal with it.

Business has to pay tariffs

Business raises price to offset tariffs

Customer pays increased price

Tariffs are deemed illegal

Business receives refunds for tariffs

Customer pays the refund via taxes

How is this anything but a transfer of wealth from citizens (the customers) to businesses?

Why on Earth would that not mean the customer deserves a refund? The entire cost of the tariffs has been placed on the customer. No business sold their imported goods at the same price after having paid the tariff fees, they all raised their prices.

You sweet summer child

So you're saying businesses should now cut deep discounts for buyers, because the (already imported) products' tariffs have been paid (AND the business is being refunded for it). Are they going to drop prices now? Are they acting upon market pressures or taking advantage/manipulating them?

If you think a wealth-class has to pay any mind to the invisible hand of the free market... I've got a nice ass bridge to sell ya, at a tarrif-free + ultra-discounted price!