after 15 years, iOS has finally caught up with all the main android features, such as
Their biggest selling point is regulated app stores…
sound of jail bars crashing shut as Android cuts all the indie developers out of the market
It’s shit the government should be doing
The joke of it all is that government does do stuff. But it's mostly to cement the existing duopoly.
Government contractors dump hundreds of billions of dollars into licensing for the dominant OS. Government regulators are fully captured by industry lobbyists, building their rules around policies the businesses have decided on internally. Policing agencies focus almost entirely on small fish, foreign developers, and whistleblowers. Courts use a one-size-fits-all financial punishment guidance, which can easily bankrupt a small business but is barely more than a speedbump for mega-corporations.
Nobody seriously talks about Breaking Up The Tech Companies via Antitrust Laws. Nobody talks about making Open-Source Code more regulatory friendly or investing more public dollars in Open-Source development / deployments. We can't even seriously talk about insourcing chip production or building out competitors to Intel and TSMC.
The Big Lie of modern left/right political discourse is that American political institutions are doing Too Much or Not Enough. The bitter truth is that if you're any kind of threat to the domestic business cartels... well... just ask TikTok what happens next.
They're really astroturfing youtube ads right now (I know, ick, youtube, and I should use plugins; I normally don't use it at all but lately I've had a couple songs I've been listening too on repeat. I should just download them).
Like, almost every fucking ad is "some apps are traps, can you spot the trap" with these stupid cartoony characters representing apps and suddenly one (at random, with no rhyme or reason) blows up and the narrator says "google play can."
Like fuck off, google play says whatever they want to say is a trap is a trap. Meanwhile they allow all these predatory BS apps on their store. They'll let you fall for the traps they approve of. And they won't even show you what country an app developer is based in until after you download it.
But they're trying to give people this false sense of security like "oh, I can trust anything on the play store" while also making them suspicious/hesitant to use any alternative app repos. It's clearly an attempt to manufacture consent for their ecosystem lockdown, and unfortunately it will probably work. They're targeting easily-influenced young people with these supposedly "cute" (yet honestly kinda gross) characters.
Software repositories are already perfect!
Their biggest selling point is regulated app stores…
Meaning it's not Wild West, apps need to be approved to be listed and consumers are generally able to trust what they install.
That is becoming less true due people being entrenched in one ecosystem or the other.
That is regulating a market....
Fixing it via regulation would require accountability and transpency. To sell on a goveerenment marketplace app developers would need an actual real life human to put their name on a line saying they're responsible if the app turns out to be malware.
Like, there's regulations for products already, you can't sell fire extinguishers to people that are filled with gasoline. You shouldn't be able to offer an app that will steal your identity or creditionals to other apps/sites.
Like, youre acting like words only mean one thing bro, you need to open your eyes and don't just always assume everything is what you first assume.
You can already write a desktop app to do all that malware stuff. Why give the phones and tablets special treatment?
Personally I like the iPhone and the App Store for the reason that it does go through some basic checks.
But as a dev, sometimes I just want to run my own shit on my own phone without hassle. (Yes I know there is dev mode. I don’t want to constantly run my main phone in dev mode just so I can run my own apps.)
You can already write a desktop app to do all that malware stuff.
And if you sold it thru a regulated marketplace, you could be held responsible...
Why give the phones and tablets special treatment?
They shouldn't...
If I said habitual drunk drivers shouldn't be able to have a driver's license, what you just did is like asking why someone who does 2 grams of Fentanyl everyday should be able to keep theirs...
I understand what you're saying, and I agree...
I just don't know why you assumed I wouldn't agree bud
IOS is soon to recognize that data can be stored in these things called "files" that are located in what's called a "folder" and maybe the user can even decide where on this thing called a "hard drive" these "files" and "folders" are located instead of typing into a random search bar.
They do actually have a pretty decent file manager. Unsurprisingly you can’t access system files, at least as far as I know. It’s not nearly as robust as what you can do on android, but it is easy to use.
I get unbelievably angry using an iPad now. They've completely fucked up the file system and its impossible to know where anything is. By design. I hate modern computing so much.
It's always been like that. I had one of the first ipads as part of a trial to see if they were useful for grading papers in grad school. No. It was completely fucking useless because the only way to open files for editing was through sixteen shitty cloud services that each app wanted you to use. There was no way to just download files, edit them, and then put them back on blackboard like a normal fucking computer. The whole ordeal actually made me angry.
Basically the only apple mobile device I actually used was a gen 1 iPod touch I instantly jailbroke so I'm not super familiar. I use a Mac mini only for music but osx is getting so shitty now I'm wanting to change again or go back to 10.5 lol.
Got a powermac g4 cuz I wanted one again (and it came with a CRT monitor I wanted) and I was blown away how smooth it runs with 512 mb of ram. We have truly gone downhill a long fucking way in 20 years. I remember when I was optimistic about tech.
The iOS devices are technically computers, but they still feel like toys no matter how pro they are claimed to be. There’s nothing pro about any of these ridiculous limits. It’s just regular low-grade consumer trash. Hardly any of this really works the way a computer should.
Fucking idiotic.
Imagine being a kid growing up today with this type of computing. Its zero surprise so many kids are absolute dolts.
Not to "My generation good other generations bad," but Millennials and Gen X really grew up with technology as it was becoming impressively capable, but required a lot of technical know-how to use. It's really apparent in the workplace: our fresh-out-of-college guys and ready-for-retirement guys alike come to people around my age when stuff isn't working. Everything's too easy now, and it's hard to look under the hood. (Of course, there are still exceptions for enthusiasts, but you're never forced to tinker with a raspberry pi.)
My sister made some photos for me with her iPad recently. I told her to sent me the photos but she just didn't know where they were. She could access them with some photo apps but the file system was completely obfuscated. She looked to me because I am the tech guy in our family but I had no idea.
When I used iOS last, a few years ago, photos were not considered files. (Yep... let that thought digest for a bit). This made things like SyncThing/Mobius useless. IIRC photos were managed through some separate API for "security reasons".
To access photos on a connected iDevice from a Linux machine, you need iFuse, and even then, iOS presents you all images at once. So your photos, received photos, downloads, screenshots, are all in one big pile. Have fun. Oh, but they are split into folders. By number.
Made some photos or took some photos? If she just took photos they’re just in the photos app. But if she made something like with procreate or something then there’s just a normal file system you can access with the Files app. It’s all Unix under the hood, you can even install terminals and navigate around.
See there's your problem, you need to squeeze the yellow testicle two times then spit on the baby chicken and yell "Hooty Hoo" and the files are right there. It will all make sense once you get used to it.
What are you talking about? You literally need to click a single “share” button. I honestly don’t understand how anyone remotely tech related could struggle with this.
It was a Document scanning app. We didn't bother, she found them at home and sent me a USB stick. It's true though that I saw this behavior on some Android founds too, where there was only the system file explorer available.
If she just took photos they’re just in the photos app.
That makes not a lot of sense to me tbh
It doesn’t make sense to you that photos are in the photos app?
Ah yes, I love when i am considered the tech guy and everyone just turn to me when something on their device does not work, especially when it's made by apple or is a printer...
Folders? What's that normie tech illiterate win95 nonsense? My device has directories, tyvm.
Yeah, let’s just ignore facts and pretend iOS doesn’t already have this.
Last time I tried using an iPad I had all sorts of trouble getting access to files on my media server. That was like 10 years ago but still not going back based off that experience. Fuck apple.
Seems like you were one year early. Files app was released in 2017. 9 years ago.
Before that you pretty much had to use iTunes to transfer stuff. Now you can just plug in USB and see all the data from files app.
You were able to use a usb and file transfer to a computer from dcim for many years before this. It was separated by folders based on the month the photo was taken.
Kinda hilarious how out of touch most are in this thread. But it’s expected here.
Yeah I recall that, I think I was able to purchase some app to do it wirelessly but the whole process was irritating AF. When I got ahold of an android tablet I was able to set up everything I wanted to do in like 15 minutes.
Companies are the new de facto legislators manufacturing narratives to push their ideas along. When that doesn't work, they simply use their overwhelming market share to push us there anyway, replacing our law with policy.
Nations that aren't instituting forced ID for internet use are still going to be pulled along for the ride unless they have their own digital systems to effectively replace US tech hegemony, and look how long it took to make two thoroughly "mid" mobile operating systems.
If you're worried about this sort of over reach, then consider trying a Linux distro on your phone, or a spare if you can afford it.
Replacing the complete ecosystem is going to take time and effort, and it's gonna suck but better now than never.
Companies are the new de facto legislators
Excellent quote. Ill be using that in the future.
Its 'interesting' what can happen when people are forced to do a thing a certain way only because an engineer wrote it that way and a company mandated it.
That's why Linux is better. The corporate engineers are pulling a Death Star.
can we find a way to unlock boot loaders hacks and flashing whatever is in there device and install linux os for phones already?????? PLEASE we need to start canceling the top fang stonks. and also making locked boot loaders by all carriers illegal by default and sim locks too.
IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN! YOU DON'T WANT TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN? VERY SUSPICIOUS!!!
And here I thought I was done with penis inspection day after I graduated high school.
Shittest thing about Android phones are all those third party apps, which you can’t even remove (looking at especially you, Samsung) Facebook, and so on. Unbelievable amount of bloat ware with almost every manufacturer. I would like to have Samsung, but I just can’t stand its UI and those apps.
There's a program called universal android debloater which let's you delete pretty much anything you want. I've used it and it's like a miracle.
Still once you get to that stage it's so much more tempting to skip that and get busy on trying to get postmarketOS going or something.
Crazy how they even let other manufacturers modify base Android. Even the settings menus are all over the place. Searching for specific settings is basically impossible if you're not on a Pixel or something.
Don't even get me started on the dev side of things. Makes Windows habit of stacking 30 years of shit look like paradise.
Yes and you have to make Google account, Samsung account and what else before you can use all the features. It’s was totally mess, when I last had Samsung. Their hardware is very nice, though.
This isn't the case on their flagships in the EU (not sure which is the reason).
I have never had Facebook or other crap preinstalled since my Samsung Note 10.
That said, samsung best be avoided anyway.
likely there are still some system apps that are literal bloatware. if you have f-droid you can check the debloater list in this app, has descriptions on most of them.
be very careful if you are going to remove some. the descriptions are not always up to date
Remember to https://keepandroidopen.org/!
WTAF are:
very mid ui design
kinda floaty feeling
unpolished vibe
supposed to mean?
I've been an android user since I started using smart phones in the late 2000s. Android IMO has always been more user friendly and allowing someone to create their own "desktop" so to speak. Meanwhile Apple was always the "I don't like technology" phone. There was no customization, the "desktop" was just the Android app page and nothing else. Nothing could be unique to you outside of a wallpaper or a ringtone. Anyone with an iPhone just had an iPhone. It was the same thing. But someone with the same android phone could have different app placements, widgets here or there, and felt different even if it was the same phone.
Apologies for the rant, I am stoned as fuck and I ramble (And have a new keyboard I am trying to break in)
... But what has Apple "caught up to" all the "main android features"?
My first android was an alcatel with android 3. I loved it, but it was quite bad in many ways, even for the time. It took android a long time to mature.
Let's hope mobile Linux won't take as long.
I truly believe people should be able to change every little minor UI feature on their pc/phone/whatever if they want to. But I also believe that if they do, they're a fucking dork.
So you think someone is a dork because they make a device they use every day easier to use uniquely for them? So I'm a dork because I have two weather widgets on my phone for hourly updates, and one for radar because I work outside? Or that I have a clock that shows my local time in Canada as well as the time in Zagreb, Croatia because my girlfriend lives there?
Is someone a dork who installs a new version of Windows who installs their games or makes folders for their finances add to the main wallpaper so they have easier access to their games or the folders for their finances?
Every phone has widgets. That's not customizing a UI element. If you change the colors and fonts of everything, if you have an opinion on the minimize animation, if you spend more time ricing your machine than using it, you're a dork.
if I'm gonna use the same phone for years, I'll take a couple days to perfect how i want it to look, Android makes that easy
From the perspective of a longtime hater of both iOS and Android:
I can’t press everything with one hand because the phone is too big (iOS “caught up“ to this a looong time ago with the iPhone 6)
The idea was that it would be customizable, the end result is that none of the menus feel “permanent.” As iOS has gotten more customizable, it now has this “feature” too.
iOS used to feel like it had very centralized design. Android was basically a bunch of different “Androids” doing a bunch of different stuff. Nowadays, iOS feels like it lacks focus as well.
I mean do you just have baby hands? I don’t have the biggest hands and I have no problem using one hand even on a pro max. My wife uses her smaller sized pro one handed just fine.
The Fairphone 6 and 6+ is something to keep an eye on, specifically with TheMightyCat's build of postmarketOS. It's almost fully functional with a close-to-mainline kernel, unlike Jolla phones and UBPorts, which both rely on Android kernels which will eventually stop being supported.
https://ani.social/u/TheMightyCat
For those interested.
It seems like TheMightyCat just generates code, which cannot be upstreamed to pmOS due to the policy on generated code.
Their generated code has been criticised by some kernel developers because of lack of quality. I think some sensors were accessed without using hexagonrpcd, which means battery usage will be unnecessarily high, which is an improper way of doing it.
Also, mainline kernel support is actively being worked on by Fairphone employees, which know the hardware best. All remaining features will be added in due time.
It seems like TheMightyCat just generates code
This is such an oversimplification and shows you don't understand how much work goes into this.
Their generated code has been criticised by some kernel developers because of lack of quality. I think some sensors were accessed without using hexagonrpcd, which means battery usage will be unnecessarily high, which is an improper way of doing it.
Again, any source for this argument with the hexagon processor? My patches has been plenty criticized by kernel developers, but so are fully manually written patches, which is the entire point of the kernel review process. Unless you seriously are saying that everyone on the list who has sent a v2 is a bad quality programmer.
When we were talking in DMs i again asked you for your source, reason, or any info for this so i can look at it and fix it if needed, but again you just result to throwing insults like you did in DM.
Also, mainline kernel support is actively being worked on by Fairphone employees, which know the hardware best. All remaining features will be added in due time.
They are being added, by me, by nondescriptpointer, by Luca, by the people at Qualcomm. I have good contact with them for this. I don't understand your grudge against me.
shows you don't understand how much work goes into this.
I know how much work goes into it, I'm doing mainlining work myself. It's really a lot of work.
Also, I have NOT had any conversation with you via DM.
I doubt I would start a DM conversation with you now that you are publishing lies about this. 🙄
I have good contact with them for this. I don't understand your grudge against me.
So far I had nothing against you as a person, but you are starting to change that rapidly.
For openness this is the conversation i am referring to:
As they are the same instance and the same conversation i believe lenni and erebion are the same person.
When we were talking in DMs i again asked you for your source, reason, or any info for this so i can look at it and fix it if needed, but again you just result to throwing insults like you did in DM.
This paragraph is anchored in the part where once again instead of any source or info on their argument and all they respond with is
There’s one question I have: What is your incentive in buying a Fairphone or contributing to an OS that allows phones to be used longer if you don’t care about our planet?
That's a shame to hear. I wonder how many of the ideas will be able to be rewritten by actual human developers and how much of it will have to be scrapped.
Why would it need to be rewritten or scrapped?
LLM assisted code is accepted in the kernel, and i am by far not the only user of it, and erebion hasn't shown ANYTHING why the patches i submit are bad outside of just saying it is.
PinePhone did what most other Pine64 things do. Fizzled out.
I have been daily driving linux phones as my only phone for over two years. Typing to you now from a phone I ported myself, which has been in my pocket for 3 months now.
Linux phones are where Linux desktops were 10 years ago. A few of us who are lucky can get away with using them because we don't require proprietary software on our personal devices, but many people will struggle without their Facebook app or their Garage Door Opening app or their Ford Connect app or whatever else. That said, SailfishOS has a decent compatibility layer, but it in itself is proprietary.
Enshittification is just "evolutionary convergence" for capitalism.
I prefer Android's UI design, and it feels pretty polished to me. I'm not sure what they mean by "floaty feeling" though.
Fully agree on the recent user / dev locked down hostility.
Some interesting ways to shuffle music and make playlists too, tho I prefer using marvis app for smart playlists (they really should make that a regular music app festure and not just on itunes or wherever ppl do that without the app)
Now you can make shortcuts with the onboard AI by just describing them! Haven’t tried it out, but I made a few safari shortcuts and they seem to work pretty well for what I need.
I'm done with android (And surely never touched crapple to begin with).
I watched it slowly become "the cheaper iOS" and Samsung becoming "the android of apple".
But the recent final proverbial nail was their most recent lockdown. Fuck you google. Fuck you since you dropped "don't be evil" to become Satan itself. At least apple never tried to appear "open".
"just". If you have no problem with being treated like a child, on your own device, then yes. "Just 24hrs". And btw...that's 24hrs, FOR NOW. Testing if the resistance is even worth considering (which it won't be).
Being treated like a child is subjective, however. And, superuser features are really not for everyone. Anyways, the best way to fight for this is being loud. The only reason Google gave the 24 hour unblock anyway was due to the community. And, if another person chooses Apple, let them be. Google should know what the differentiating factor Android has and blur the difference then just go buy an iPhone.
Being treated like a child is subjective, however. And, superuser features are really not for everyone.
Not everyone loves leaving the house, yet you would probably prefer if you always could. Should you decide to do so. It's your house after all. You'd probably feel like a grounded kid if police wouldn't allow you to step outside.
I don't share your optimism. Being loud is irrelevant if you're a small minority and the majority doesn't care or doesn't even see a problem here (or where it will inevitably lead to).
Yes, the reason to go Apple was never better. Even for an Apple-hater like me. The said differentiating factor diminishes...
Context for the non-Norwegians: https://www.forbrukerradet.no/breakingfree/
We need a co-oprerative phone company and we need one asap!
We already have phone companies that sell phones with alternative operating systems and not enough people buy them to break the duopoly.
Still use Windows 10 Mobile.
I need to pull out my old WinCE builder app. I can't even remember what it was named, PowerBuilder or something like that.
Yes, prior to Windows Mobile, it was literally named "WinCE". Still the most amazingly obtuse OS name in programming history.
Well if you don't like either you can always go for the paid sailfishOS, or a free linux experience like Ubuntu touch / postmarkerOS...
They're just not accessible enough for the average user, and banking on them is suffering
SFOS isn't paid; just the proprietary features on the official ports (Android App Support and Exchange Activesync).
Community ports and official ports without those features have always been free.
I got a pixel because I heard I can install Graphene OS on it and when I got it I couldn't enable OEM unlocking. We're being cornered.
Did you get a Pixel 11?
7
Well thats important. How do I avoid this?
You need to buy an "unlocked" model. They sell carrier-locked devices at a discount so that they can install spyware on them, and then lock them down so you can't remove it or take it to another carrier.
I've run into that a couple times and it's super frustrating because there's 2 different types of "unlocked", and they're pretty much all carrier unlocked these days, where an AT&T SIM card will work in a Verizon branded device, but the Verizon ones for sure never allow OEM unlocking. If buying new from Google, I've always bought the "Unlocked" option. If buying used, I've given the seller instructions on how to check that the option is available. At least on Swappa, it's been a pretty painless process.
Has Apple improved Siri yet? When I asked Siri "What are humans made of?", she answered "Humans are made of human body." Fkn hilarious. Meanwhile Android phones have had Gemini for a long time now. And now Apple is giving up on developing their own AI models and will be paying Google to use Gemini for Siri. Might as well just pay less for an Android phone and get the same Gemini model.
Well said
Sorry, but fuck Apple back to the depths of hell in which it came 🤬. But honestly, I think they build decent hardware but absolute can't stand the OS.
Stopped reading at “very mid.”
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Their biggest selling point is regulated app stores...
Completely ignoring the obvious downsides of letting private for profit corporations regulate marketplaces while facing no regulations themselves.
It's shit the government should be doing
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