Let's not forget that he's the one that invented the rules that allegedly required such a stupid and convoluted plan.

When you put it that way, it sounds ridicluous.

Christ’s sinless death is what allows mankind to be redeemed, and that was the plan all along.

A good 'ol death cult.

Pretty weak deity which can't even forgive the sins they created themselves without all the pageantry. This is why I only worship my TI-83 calculator from middle school. It is capable of completely passive forgiveness, and largely unwilling to resort to damnation under any circumstances.

Yes, victory over our enemies!

Jesus is the original version of The Dark Knight’s “getting captured was the plan all along” trope.

It's also a crock of shit that we use to control people. If you're luck enough to get out of your small town and away from you family like I was, you can deprogram.

This reminds me of a joke:

" Aliens make first contact with humans. They are peaceful and start a dialogue with us. The subject of religion comes up, and Christianity is described to the aliens and they respond by saying ' oh yeah we know Jesus. He came comes to visit you too?'

'Well yes, once, over 2000 years ago.'

To which the aliens reply: 'That's weird he visits us every year, stays for about a week for the high feast we throw in his honor. It's a recreation of what we did for him the first time he appeared. What happened when he came here? Maybe if you recreated whatever that was....'

'Oh, um, we crucified him.'

'Oof. Ok. Makes sense now.'

Basically, he has marked us as the bad neighborhood on his map.

I thought it was like the heads-on-pikes thing? Christians are like Klingons right?

Our gods are dead.
We killed them.
They were more trouble than they were worth.

metal as fuck

Christianity is the most badass religion.

Do I have that wrong?

literally

Literally tho?

The God of the Bible is literally a Monster.

That's actually pretty much in-line with how a lot of gods were portrayed back then. Have you read any Greek mythology? The gods were assholes there, too.

Also jealousy is illegal according to the the Christian Constitution.

Veggietales? I didn't grow up watching it but I thought I read somewhere that the creators actively didn't want to depict God/Jesus in that? Maybe it's just because Veggietales is part of the "love each other" version of Christianity and that's bad and woke.

also you can build them out of clay. ain't nothing about fired images

I mean any likeness of anything anywhere by the looks of it. So I guess that would include both?

One way you can think of idolatry is by analogy to the concept of map and territory. The map is not the territory, and that can be far more of a rabbit hole than it sounds at first glance. For instance, you do not experience reality directly, full stop. Your entire experience of life is actually a living map of life generated by reality's interactions with your senses which are then filtered and interpreted by the rest of your bodily and cognitive systems.

And so it is for those who believe in and cultivate a relationship with their deities - a direct experience that will always be impossible to fully achieve, and is nevertheless expected they spend their lives chasing.

What is "the world as it is"? Can you give me an example of a "confused, illogical thought"?

Please don't... if it is a religion, it involve irrational beliefs that will be armful at some point. To protect the planet we need to know what is good for it, and be abble to find out that some of our knowledges/beliefs are wrong. To find out we were wrong, we need to be rational ; and that require to reject faith.

You don’t need a religion to be an environmentalist.

Shared Psychotic Disorder is where a group of people share a delusion. This delusion can almost "spread," especially in the case of people who are close to each other. Its very similar to other shared delusions, like supernatural beliefs.

I guess lemmy is also becoming reddit now, shamed for asking a simple question

I was wrong, it's more like a horse in the room. The elephant in the room is their rampant abuse of women and children.

The other reason is King Henry VIII wanted a divorce and the pope said no.

"CHRIST SMASH! RARRGH!"

I read 2nd commandment as second amendment and got very confused for a second. Now to butcher a Star Trek scene, why does god need a Colt?

Looking at actual translation at the first one, https://quran.com/al-baqarah/191

"Kill them wherever you come upon them and drive them out of the places from which they have driven you out. For persecution is far worse than killing. And do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque unless they attack you there. If they do so, then fight them—that is the reward of the disbelievers."

If you read the verse before it, https://quran.com/al-baqarah/190, the Quran talks about it in the context of war.

"Fight in the cause of Allah ˹only˺ against those who wage war against you, but do not exceed the limits. Allah does not like transgressors."

The passage clearly says about defending, in the context war. And do it only against the aggressors. And also not to exceed the limits, which means proportionate response.

It makes sense to fight back. Akin to the Ukrainian defending against Russian invasion.

I looked up 8:65 because it irked me, and it says: (Link)

O Prophet! Motivate the believers to fight. If there are twenty steadfast among you, they will overcome two hundred. And if there are one hundred of you, they will overcome one thousand of the disbelievers, for they are a people who do not comprehend.

The others are also similarily reduced - so i'd say these "translations" above are not accurate because they have been shortened as far as possible, but they capture the gist of it.

Edit: 8:60 says for example:

Prepare against them what you ˹believers˺ can of ˹military˺ power and cavalry to deter Allah’s enemies and your enemies as well as other enemies unknown to you but known to Allah. Whatever you spend in the cause of Allah will be paid to you in full and you will not be wronged.

9:30 ff:

The Jews say, “Ezra is the son of Allah,” while the Christians say, “The Messiah is the son of Allah.” Such are their baseless assertions, only parroting the words of earlier disbelievers. May Allah condemn them! How can they be deluded ˹from the truth˺?

They have taken their rabbis and monks as well as the Messiah, son of Mary, as lords besides Allah, even though they were commanded to worship none but One God. There is no god ˹worthy of worship˺ except Him. Glorified is He above what they associate ˹with Him˺!

They wish to extinguish Allah’s light with their mouths, but Allah will only allow His light to be perfected, even to the dismay of the disbelievers.

He is the One Who has sent His Messenger with ˹true˺ guidance and the religion of truth, making it prevail over all others, even to the dismay of the polytheists.

Not exactly "perverts", that is not what this says, and this specific passage also does not mention fighting. But it's also not exactly a nice view of others, and other parts are very vocal about what to do with disbelievers.

for example at 22:16 - 22:21

Indeed, the believers, Jews, Sabians, Christians, Magi, and the polytheists—Allah will judge between them ˹all˺ on Judgment Day. Surely Allah is a Witness over all things.

Do you not see that to Allah bow down ˹in submission˺ all those in the heavens and all those on the earth, as well as the sun, the moon, the stars, the mountains, the trees, and ˹all˺ living beings, as well as many humans, while many are deserving of punishment. And whoever Allah disgraces, none can honour. Surely Allah does what He wills.

These are two opposing groups that disagree about their Lord: as for the disbelievers, garments of Fire will be cut out for them and boiling water will be poured over their heads,

melting whatever is in their bellies, along with their skin.

And awaiting them are maces of iron.