It wasn't pleasant. I was a kid and didn't fly much. but I did experience it.
Because everyone smoked everywhere, you were at least used to it. Airplanes are super well ventilated, not enough to make it pleasant, but enough that you weren't feeling like you were going to die when they all lit up.
It wasn’t pleasant.
Once hitched a ride and the driver and his wife where heavy smokers that they even had the air on recycle instead of taking in fresh air. 2nd worst ride ever, I got out as quick as I could.
I got a ride from a courier who was driving as if the van was on fire. He looked at his watch and said "lunch time!". Then he held the steering wheel with his knee, and grabbed a 'Hoegaarden Wit" (beer) from behind his chair. Opened it with the bottom of his lighter and drank the whole bottle in one go. Did not blink an eye, grabbed another from behind the chair and repeated the process. Then only said "So !" and acted like it was perfectly normal. I jumped out when he halted at a traffic light. Looked back but It was an un-marked white van otherwise i'd happily reported him to police and his boss.
My mother was a heavy smoker and slight of build, in the winter she'd crack the window 1/4 inch and not any further until i was steadily coughing.
Jet's are different than cars though, they cycle air/heat from the engines at pretty high speed. The cabin air is continually refreshed/pressurized.
I’ve lived through both eras.
Take all the tech companies away from the far-right, raise taxes on the wealthy, break up the media monopolies, overturn citizens united, ensure one full-time income can support a small family, restore actual journalism, make universities places for education and research again….
And you can smoke wherever the fuck you want. Do it in my living room for all I care.
Sorry, but this is a really ableist take. Not everyone is healthy enough to tolerate secondhand smoke; I would rather live in a literal 1984-style dictatorship than somewhere that smoking everywhere was normalized. There's not a political system out there worse than feeling like you have the flu every day for the rest of your life.
I think you're underestimating the flu a bit there. Pretty hard to fight the power when you struggle to remain upright. At least if you're healthy under fascism there's, like, a chance things will get better. I can't imagine a fate worse than being sick all the time and unable to do anything about it because, ya know, you're too sick to do anything about it.
RIGHT, your comfort is what's most important. Blocked. 😀
Also smoking bans are so usa centric. Going to Europe is insane because they are so insanely rude with how they smoke compared to the usa
I was in Germany in the early 00s and I hard associated the Frankfurt airport with the smell of smoke. Went back a few years ago and I almost didn’t recall things because that olfactory link wasn’t there anymore.
I've been in a good few European countries and it hadn't differed in any.
Not just US. A few years back japan banned it in restaurants (but not bars) and public buildings unless there's an actual smoking room in them.
Continental Europe maybe but as a Briton it's pretty shit to be a smoker here. Extremely expensive unless you go black market, you have to stand outside in the pissing rain in virtually all cases, and people can be very judging about it.
Source: ex smoker
I recall reading that in some ways air quality was better when smoking in airplanes was legal because they had to cycle air through the outside through ventilation systems.
Now they don't so the air is more stagnant and circulates germs etc.
I have no idea if that's actually the case, or if so, if that's actually better. But it was a point I hadn't considered.
In hindsight, it feels like the sort of "study" that a tobacco company would put out. Like a petrol company funding one that says "climate change is good actually!"
Man it’s almost like as soon as banks were legally required to stop discriminating against women and black folks, they invented backdoor methods of accomplishing it
You know Boomers didn't have credit scores until after they had GenX and Millennials? Boomers didn't grow up with as much red tape as we do
*if they were white
And male
Not that it should have to be either or, but I'll take less leg room over their gross smoke-filled cabin any day.
It’ll probably radically shift to laying down. They’ve wanted to bring this seating arrangement back for a lot longer
A Canadian comedy site on CBC radio had a fake story about how flights could get cheaper if people stood for the entire flight.
Hundreds of listeners from Alberta and Western Canada called in to support the idea.
Bonus points: they simply wont take you if you are above a certain weight.
Do like the standing roller coasters! Then we can just use AI to fly the planes (no need for high cost/high stressed pilots). If the AI flies like shit, everyone is already secured with metal shoulder thingies to keep from flying (pun intended) all over the cabin.
But how to deal with bathroom breaks? Mandatory catheters! The cost of "sanitizing" between flights surely isn't that much, and if people refuse - they can be held liable for any accidents.
/s
Omg yes. I am old enough to remember the tail end of the period when smoking was still allowed on planes and JFC it was awful. They had a smoking "section" but it was still an open cabin so you could smell smoke everywhere. And if you were in the same or next row as a smoker you couldn't escape it for the whole flight. Flying sucks now, but removing smoking is absolutely an upgrade.
Every flight I've been on offers a drink and snack.
I worked for an airline for awhile. What you get on the plane is determined by the length of the flight usually. The longer you are on the plane the more things you will get. And of course the class matters.
Most non budget carriers give you a soda and a snack. But you also have to realize that they aren't GIVING you anything - you pay for that, always. It's just marked up and built into your ticket price. Leg room is 100% still available, you just have to pay more. The ticket for that is STILL cheaper (adjusted for inflation) than it was when lots of leg room was standard.
People who are too young or, frankly, not thinking hard enough really do romanticise what the world was like when people could smoke fucking everywhere because people really did smoke fucking everywhere. Restaurants and pubs had a visible smog in the air, the odor permiated all flavours and everything was slightly sticky unless it was wiped clean a few minutes before. Being trapped on a bus with a bunch of smokers was nightmarish enough, but being at the back of a plane - the cheap seats - where air was very, very slowly circulated front to back was hell, especially for asthmatics.
your clothes stunk unless you hung them out the next day. Disgusting addiction.
Now everything smells like Green Apple.
I grew up in the 90s and caught the tail end. My god it was nasty. That yellow layer of buildup on everything 🤢
I love how Japan handles it. You can only smoke in designated areas, but a loooot of buildings have dedicated smoking rooms with built in filtration systems, which is more than you can say in the US. I've even seen old traditional ryokan hotels that have an indoor smoking room.
So now we're complaining about the enshittification of everything driven by the need to maximize profit in a capitalist system and blaming it on our grandparents? More divisive intergenerational warfare bullshit. If you want to find who to blame for this shit look at the capitalists demanding more and more profit from airlines, manufacturers, literally every part of the economy. It always comes down to class war.
Yep, the 1% laugh their asses off about us fighting between ourselves.
Exactly, the 1% love it when its race fighting or blaming boomers or anybody else but them. Sad to see as they keep getting away with it.
Is this really enshittification?
Prior to the deregulation of the airlines under Carter, the federal government fixed all domestic airfares. Airlines could not compete against each other on price and could only compete on perks. Flying was insanely expensive. NY to LA was $820 in today's dollars and you couldn't just shop around airlines for a better price, while you can get the same flight for less than $240 now.
It's not like flying got shittier while also getting more expensive. Flying is cheaper than it ever has been. The perks went down, sure. But so did the price. By a LOT.
Not really disagreeing with you, but I was curious if that $240 includes all the crazy fees they tack on now.
Yeah that is all in, fare, fees, and taxes. Flying is dirt cheap lol.
long distance calls from airplanes were $5 a minute.
Thank you. I'm always having to point out that boomers haven't been voting significantly more conservative than liberal, and younger generations haven't been voting significantly more liberal than conservative. It's a stereotype, and an incorrect one. In fact, in 2024, GenX voted more conservative than boomers did.
Am I crazy or does the image you post directly contradict what your comment says? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
Like it almost seems like you got the what the red and blue represent swapped entirely in your mind? Like you've somehow read it backwards of something.
If you look at the 2024 election numbers there is barely a red margin for boomers (65+). It’s men 50+ that have a significantly larger likelihood to vote Republican.
If our grandparents had taken a stand back then and stopped buying shit these corporations would have never gotten so bold. Yeah we should start now (and many are) but we're in a much worse position than they were.
Gen Z is just as hooked with propaganda and brainrot from social media, if not more so. It's insane how consumerist the younger generations are, falling for scam after scam, I think it's peptides now.
This generational warfare shit is insane. Many boomers are working at Walmart because they don't have enough to retire and are also getting fucked over. There are plenty of poor, progressive bloomers, just as there are an astounding number of gen z conservatives and red pill bros.
Let's admit that no one is immune to propaganda, and unfortunately most people in all generations are quick to fall for right wing bs.
‘If you’re poor and work at Walmart it’s because you’re conservative and voted to suffer’ sure is a great way to kick poor Democrats and drive away poor independents.
Yes, but what about the hundreds or thousands of products you dont keep track of? Anecdotally speaking, I see way more posts online than if I were to go to the store myself. Collective mind is a powerful thing.
This post misses two aspects: flying used to be an expensive luxury, only, and smoking on flights was fucking disgusting.
I mean yeah, but those classes do have some demographics associated with them. The average age of the wealthiest Americans is 65-68, the average age of a CEO is 61, and the average age of a member of the Senate is 66 years old.
I don't think that class war precludes intergenerational disputes, it's hard to completely separate class from culture, and culture from the age of the generation.
Because the average age of all those positions have gone up significantly for a single generation. Also a lot of the policy and economic theory that makes up the modern economy were pioneered by boomers like Jack Welch while they were first accumulating power. And there's supplemental evidence such as the projected lifespans of future generations being smaller than the generations before in the first time in modern history.
I'm not claiming just being old automatically makes you greedy, just that if you look at culture the baby boomer generation has implemented policy and an economic attitude that is vastly more selfish than any previous generation.
Yeah, you're not going to find casino floors (with some minimal exceptions) smoke free in Vegas. Chain smoking slot grannies are like a majority of their revenue.
While your playing at the low risk $10 a hand blackjack table, Margaret is over there on the penny slot machine with her pile of cigarette butts betting $12 a spin, and spinning 100 times before your hand is over.
Even their airport smells like cigarettes. Honestly, the LV airport is the nastiest, dirtiest one I've ever seen (and not in a good way, lol)
I was born in Vegas, and yeah, its ain't just the airport. Like we'd go to Kmart or the laundry mat and there were slot machines. When I was 4 and moved to Phoenix that's what I thought was so weird about Arizona was no slot machines.
The world used to smell like Easter Europe
Ftfy
Used to? Oh you naive summer child.
Dude I'm 26 and got to smell the dying drag of that era. It doesn't smell nearly as much like cigarettes, at least in my neck of the woods in SoCal don't know how much the Finns or Franks smoke so mayhaps it's different elsewhere.
Fuck, don't envy you on that one. I used to work estate sales and holy shit every third house smelt of dust and decades old cigarette smoke, felt like puking the entire time I was working those ones anytime they had a garage I was in there and not the house proper.
Not everywhere are people so polite and kind. EVERYONE here lights up. People smoke in cafe's, I cant eat in a burger place without smoke forcing me to cough.
They laugh at me for coughing, I'm allergic to the stuff.
It's not out of kindness, it's laws that many cities and states passed in the 00s to ban smoking in various places (and eventually everywhere indoors altogether in most places).
I think it's a state and local level thing here though, so it's going to vary by location. I'm referring to the US if it wasn't clear.
I think it's less so a matter of politeness or kindness and moreso because one of the few great projects within the US over the last 50 years was the war on smoking. From the banning of smoking adverts to the anti-smoking PSAs of the late 00s and 2010s there's been a consistent push against cigarettes specifically, also it's expensive with high taxes noone has the cash for that.
They used to have a lounge with a bar on the airplane. With smoking inside. Would you even notice a 6 hour flight? 2 martinis and a stop by the mile high club and you're already at LAX
This still existed on domestic flights in China up until 2020. Now the only people who have this much freedom are the few older Chinese pilots who got medical exemptions and can still smoke until they retire.
Wait what? Chinese commercial airline pilots can get a "medical exemption" (from whom???) that says they're allowed to smoke in the cockpit of the commercial flight they're piloting?
What?? What possible medical condition would a doctor ever recommend this for??
This cannot possibly be true right?
The Chinese government agency that controls their licenses. It's a temporary exemption for pilots that were going to retire soon after the ban in 2020, it might be phased out by now.
As far as medical condition..... The Chinese have a bit of a different view on medicine and health than the west. They still sell medicinal cigarettes that include traditional Chinese medical herbs, making them "healthy" for you.
What's the mile high club?
Ask your mum
She's too busy getting fucked in an airplane shitter.
When you engage in coitus at altitude, typically on an aircraft.
It's not a place or group, it's an interval of time. Approximately 15 seconds.
I mean enshittification doesn't just affect software and internet. It works the same way elsewhere too: create demand for a product by making it high quality, once everything is structured around that product so that it can not be easily removed from society, enshittify it by significantly reducing quality while keeping most of the profit because now everything is shaped around your product.
My stepfather was a lifelong smoker. He smoked a full pack of Marlboro reds every day, and my mom smoked a full pack of menthols. I calculated out how much they spent yearly on cigarettes alone and it came to over $5000, and that was in the late 90's; it's probably much higher these days. Both of them had been smoking since the 70's.
When I talked to them about quitting, they both said that they enjoyed smoking too much, it's a stress relief, it's something to do, etc. They were aware of the health risks, but believed the risks were overblown and that emphysema is an "old person's" disease.
Last year he was diagnosed with stage 3 emphysema. The man is a dyed-in-the-wool hard-as-nails army vet boomer, and his obstinate machismo made him ignore years of poor health and lung disease symptoms all to finally end up as an old person with an "old person's" disease. Credit to him though, he did quit cold turkey the day his doctors delivered the diagnosis; the same obstinacy that pushed him to never give up smoking is what pushed him to quit. Me and my family love the hell out of him, and we're glad that he finally quit, but it's so aggravating that there are still so many people out there who discount the risks of smoking.
In my country there were ads that showed a smoker who had emphysema as part of an anti-smoking campaign.
They described it like taking a deep breath and then exhaling just a small puff, then inhaling that puff and repeating forever until you die.
Sorry for your stepfathers diagnosis.
Every time sometime says they smoke a pack (if not more) a day, it blows my mind.
That's twenty cigarettes. I mean Jesus Christ people, like how??
I've never been able to make it through a full cigarette before feeling nauseous and putting it out.
I'm aware how tolerance works, but 20 cigarettes every day just seems insane to me.
My mom smoked 2 packs a day until at least her mid 40s, after staring at age 10. I have no idea when she stopped because I went almost no contact after moving out at 17.
She appeared in excellent health until a massive stroke at 77. Barely recovered then died of the flu at 80. This is after years of going vegan and walking 10+ miles per day.
Mind you, she was antivax, trending heavily towards anti medicine and anti science. As a former very well regarded biochemist.
I mean there's a huge reason for the loss of luxury on planes that everyone conveniently forgets
Planes were EXPENSIVE, they were a luxury, and around the latter part of the 80s they figured out how to reduce the price. Tickets went from $500 to $50 for the exact same 1 hour flights to the exact same locations.
There's a reason Ryanair became an instant success. People want to pay nothing for services rendered.
It's not just that, they figured out a factory line that made the production cost of planes drastically drop too
They're still not cheap to produce, but they went from exorbitantly expensive, might only have 10-25 flights per day to an airport has 1000s of flights per day
If you were on a plane they had food you didn’t have to pay an arm and a leg for, they’d even do kosher and vegetarian options. Before that they would just give you something else you usually had to buy. The message is “boomers bitch and moan about how hard they worked when they had it easier than any generation before or since, especially white American boomers-they were handed luxury goods for free!”
No, you did have to pay an arm and a leg before entering the plane instead, and then you couldn't even opt out of the toxic smoke that OP is finding so great.
All the post does is glorifying the past, like many boomers also like to do.
I'll never pass up an opportunity to post this
EDIT: I hate that x-axis actually, and it takes like 2 minutes to edit an image. Presto change-o
hey, lead blinds were delicious.
Anything other than dark blue is dangerous levels. It's Gen X and most of the Boomers.
And the average ticket was far more money back then as well. It was an event. You spent all that money so you dressed up for it. That's the difference between a luxury and a commodity.
Prices were also regulated and fixed by the federal government. The federal government through the Civil Aeronautics Board set ALL domestic flight fares based on a fixed distance calculation.
Airlines literally couldn't compete on price, so they competed on perks.
In 1977, just prior to the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978, the average round trip domestic flight was ~$135. That's about $746 today. Round trip NY to LA was $148.20, or $820 today. Just looking at google flights for the next 6 months, The cheapest I can find pretty consistently for the same route is $239, and the highest I see is around Thanksgiving and Christmas for around $540.
Call it enshittification, call it whatever. Flying is so much more accessible and cheaper than ever. And that has its benefits and drawbacks. The drawback is that people now look at price first and foremost and are generally unwilling to pay more for the perks beyond a little more legroom. The benefit is that it's ridiculously easy to just pack a backpack and go on a weekend trip across the country for dirt cheap.
The drawback is that people now look at price first and foremost and are generally unwilling to pay more for the perks beyond a little more legroom.
The bigger drawback would be the enviromental damage but I get where you're going.
Well, yeah I'm just talking from a consumer standpoint.
Total global aviation only accounts for 2.5-3% of global CO2 emissions. Energy generation is 74-75% of global CO2 emissions. There are much bigger fish to fry on emissions.
Not disagreeing in general, but under a "fixed distance calculation" a NYC-LAX flight would have been quite expensive but today it's driven more by market efficiency and NYC-LAX is one of the most market-efficient flights so they can charge less per seat. You might get different results comparing something like LAX-Des Moines or NYC-Little Rock. Or maybe not.
Flying was also considered a luxury back then, but yeah keep whining about an generational difference while democracy is torn down around you.
A flight to France from NYC in 1955 was $310, which is the equivalent of about $3900 today. You can find that same flight for under $300 today.
Las Vegas to Los Angeles was only $13.70 or $171.88 in today's money, you can find that for less than $50 today.
Even if you include the extra fees and everything today that were part of the base fare in the early days of flight, that only adds another 10% or so to the cost.
The reason that air travel today is so unpleasant is that it has been commodified. Airlines have to compete only on price, and it's easy to search for the prices. Just 20 years ago it was extremely difficult for anybody except a travel agent to search for airlines prices. Because of that, people often stuck with a favourite airline or with whatever the travel agent recommended. Now, anybody can go to any number of sites and in a few seconds know every airline that flies between two cities with every schedule and every price.
Since every airline wants to make the sale, they make the price shown by the search the lowest one. Then, to get their profit margin back, they add on fees and make things that used to be built into the price.
The trend is reversing though. Especially on long haul international flights. Airliners are ordering planes with more premium seating and fewer economy seats. Not only does the average margin per passenger increases, but they also have to deal with fewer passengers on the ground which can lower off boarding and on boarding time.
I read an anecdote somewhere recently that the air in planes during flights has more germs in it now than it did in the smoking days because they had to filter the air so much more because of the smoke.
No clue if its actually true or not.
Not sure if it's the bacteria or just having fresh air cycled though the caben. Apparently it saves the airlines millions as they don't have to replace filters and the system runs at a reduced capacity. Good to know someone is benefitting
It also used to be obscenely more expensive to fly
you weren't getting the equivalent of ryanairs £13 gatwick to holland flights
Prices to fly seem pretty obscene right now tbf. Transatlantic over $700 per seat round trip at my last look.
even with the recent uptick in prices it's still a lot cheaper than it used to be
I wonder if there will be a remembrance culture for the mass deaths caused by climate change like there is for germans with the holocaust. Like: "Grandma, why did great grandad not do anything to stop the death of hundreds of millions when everyone knew it was going to happen?"
I think you're being a wee bit too optimistic about this whole future thing, emmissions are still rising and we're heading into massive worldwide famines and droughts in the forseeable future.
Yes but humanity wont be wiped out, it will just suffer a lot. Maybe it will be billions of dead even, but we will figure something out as we always do and then we will say "wasnt so bad after all right?" and learn nothing from it.
90% of earths topsoil is at risk of depletion by 2050
Global freshwater demand will exceed supply 40% by 2030
Global human population has surpassed Earth’s sustainable carrying capacity.
Global carbon emissions are still rising
The world is likely to exceed a key global warming target soon but the earths albedo with the declining sea ice and lack of cloud cover will impact these numbers massively and isn't being predicted for, which means that 4.5c above the baseline by 2060 is now possible.
Oh and this El Nino is so powerful the fucking graph needed to be made bigger today and all of the above is and will continue to be impacted by this as it progresses.
So yeah, unless we can somehow rapidly evolve physics defying magic to handwave all our problems away before basically everything dies, basically everything will die.
E/sp
You can put quite a lot of nines after the decimal point if more than 99% of people die without humanity reaching its lowest population in history, so the post you're replying to is right that humans are likely to persevere, and knowing humans, there's a good chance that if industrial civilisation starts again (which is less likely - you need lots of accessible cheap coal to make it worth putting up with rudimentary steam engines long enough to develop good ones), lessons won't be learned and we'll pollute ourselves to death again.
Little packs are so cute
Okay like I quit smoking anyway, so whatever. But it would have been easier to quit if I could have bought little packs like this rather than a full 20 every time I wanted 1.
theyre super similar looking to a lot of the legal packs of joints you can get in Canada now!
they're called "straight roll" joints - i prefer them because they're a better amount for one person imo.
How much do the kids have to smoke? I assume it's proportional to carry on allowance?
They can smoke as adults, anyway, on a 10 hours flight in confined air with hundreds of passengers lighting a new cigaret with the previous one, the air would be that charged in second hand smoke that the filter of the cigaret may allow to breath better... not sure... Also, you would not wonder why the babies cry, and we would probably soon agree that their answer to the situation is the correct one (even if it is very hard to smoke while crying).
They cry because they can't smoke fast enough and they yearn for the mines.
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There are example shots, e.g. here's one from the Nikon F2, which was introduced in 1971:
Well it's a 747 and United flew those from 1970 to 2017. Not sure when they stopped allowing smoking on board, but I'm guessing it was allowed in the 70s?
Yes. In old planes every seat has an ashtray.
In the US the restrooms on planes still have an ashtray. Even though it's a serious crime to smoke on a plane, it's better to have a safe place to extinguish a butt rather than risk a trashcan fire at 10,000 ft.
I was in a plane where an idiot apparently triggered the smoke alarm. I don't know if it had any consequences but they made a very cryptic and like a threat sounding announcement afterwards and put the toilet out of order.
Cuba's national carrier was apparently the last sizable airline to ban smoking, in 2014.
Aircraft mechanics used to be able to tell where the fuselage was cracked because there were usually nicotine stains on it.
I tried ones similar to these the stevemre way, from Vietnam rations before they got absurdly expensive. They kicked hard like the Ukrainian cigarettes I had, they were both unfiltered. It's actually kind of funny, the Ukrainian cigarettes inflicted so much pain--I don't know how my dad smoked them--that I smoked my first cigar like a cigarette thinking this is fine.
Unrelated to what we're talking about, but I still remember briefly switching to Winstons in the 90s because I saw an ad with Frank Zappa smoking one on the back of a rolling stone magazine. I still remember that every time I see Winstons in any context.
It's horrifying how effective that marketing was.
Is that supposed to be a boon? When you were caught in an aluminium can while people around you soaked you in toxic clouds fuming from cancer sticks that where distributed in cute mini boxes? Enshitification has made a lot of things worse, but getting rid from that toxic fire hazard on planes (and trains btw) is definitely not one of them. I witnessed those when it was a thing. I don't miss it a second.
When I used to smoke 1-1,5 pack pet day, I had to endure 15 hours of flight, 3 hours of waiting in an airport and then another 8 hours of flight without a smoke, and I gotta tell you, it's really not as bad as a lot of smokers make it out to be. Smokers are some of the whiniest babies around, who think their choice to smoke is an excuse to polute, be obnoxious and spread disease.
They need to grow a spine and get some self respect. I've had to endure smokers crying like children for not getting 15 minute breaks every hour on a bus ride, inconveniencing everyone else.
Addiction effects different people differently. I know of people who get panic attacks merely thinking about the possibility of not being able to smoke for 3 hours, let alone 11 hours. I don't envy those people.
At the same time, I am done with sitting in toxic clouds because of that. It is not just inconveniencing others, it is actively inflicting harm and illness on others.
fun fact: back in smoking days you'd actually be breathing in more fresh air because they had to vent more. Nowadays you get more "stale" recycled air pumped around.
The "fresh air" that was full of lead and non-purified car pollution, and all those fine by-products of heavy industry, unless you were far off in the countryside. Have you ever been next to an oldtimer from the 80s (or before)? That's all fun and games, now imagine a traffic jammed street full of these and your window above.
Well I coulda told you that...
Blaming Boomers might make you feel better for half a second but the truth is their political leaders mislead them too. There is a reason Trump saying he was going to "drain the swamp" appealed to so many people.
Boomers, lower class citizens, Republicans, Hispanics, whites etc are all people who deserve not to suffer.
If the priority is to minimize suffering then labels stop mattering because people start actually seeing the big picture. When you can't see the big picture you up being mad at a ghost that's been created in your head. You're angry at something you will never be able to actually see or meet because you over-classify a classification.
I agree. You can only track a span of time when referring to a whole generation of people. As in, "something happened during that time". It was not caused by all of the people included in the generalization. Most likely in the past, as it is today, it's the 10% of the greed monkeys in any generation that you can point to, not the whole shebang.
Yeah it would be like blaming millennials for going to war with Iran or the 30% inflation that's happened over the last 6 years or the massive changes that's happened with the government.
Pointing fingers doesn't change anything and if you believe a certain group caused the problems people are seeing today then what are the people today doing to fix it because they are next up to be blamed.
When smoking was deemed healthy because the tobacco lobby made studies which somehow proved smoking is not harmful or smth, which is why I don’t trust “““““““““scientific studies“““““““““ and first and foremost trust my gut. Studies can be an indicator.
The bigger a certain industry is and the more reliant a society is based on that branch the more im suspicious.
Things that help and solve root causes of problems don’t bring returning revenue.
A healed patient is a lost customer etc etc
Studies are a lot more reliable than your gut.
They are made by experts. People who have spend their entire lives researching and testing a specific subject. Their opinion is worth a lot more than yours.
Yes, some of these people can be bought by big corporations, but percent wise it is still a massive improvement over your gut. Since you can be convinced by a facebook post.
Im aware that my opinion is easily manipulated over exposure to propaganda etc.
That’s part of my feeling. Im reflected enough to understand what I have been exposed to and take that into consideration.
The tobacco industry has proven that who writes studies is more important than their scientific conclusions.
I have heard big branches do many many studies, but only those which have industry favourable results are published.
Because the rich want to distract us from the real class war by redirecting anger at old people. Old people who lived in quite possibly the easiest lives with the most generous minimum living conditions and social safety nets that have existed, and were tricked by the rich to give it all up so they're kids wouldn't have it, because most of them have brain damage from lead in fuel.
Because the rich want to distract us from the real class war by redirecting anger at old people.
Part of it is just demographics and survivorship bias. The majority of boomers who are still around are the ones who didn't have to break their bodies to make a living. The average age of billionaires, senators, and CEO are all in their late 60s, so it's easy to look at the group and wonder what the hell is wrong with the generation.
were tricked by the rich to give it all up so they're kids wouldn't have it
I think to accept this as the answer it requires a plastering of cognitive dissonance. The rich themselves are old, they are from the same generation and are the people who voted for trickle down economics and empowered neo conservative policy. I don't think this generation was tricked, moreso I think they were bribed and were happy to prioritize their own wellbeing over others.
because most of them have brain damage from lead in fuel.
This is mostly an artifact of pop science. GenX is actually the generation that was exposed to the highest levels of lead. I think a more important explanation of why boomers are the way they are is simply socioeconomics. They were really the first generation to be fully reared by modernity and the age of the atomic family. Where family units moved away from their extended families to pursue better economic mobility. Meaning instead of being raised by a community of family, they were often raised by an isolated mother, and a father afflicted by suppressed PTSD from war.
There are two reasons, one ageism is one of the remaining forms of discrimination that's still socially permitted, and two some of them deserve it. I don't know if it's unsaid or forgotten but most Boomers have way more in common with Gen X, Millennials, Gen Z, Gen Alpha, and Gen Beta because it's actually a class war. It's just that the number of boomers in the wealthy classes are disproportionately larger than the other generations. Still most Boomers are not wealthy, they're just wealthier than younger people.
Also generations are bullshit. They're used by politicians and marketers to segmentize the population to make it easier to sell you on voting for them or selling you a product. The real solidarity is in class solidarity.
Gen X is generally quite insufferable too.
Fuck, I remember when girls used to speak to me to get my cigarettes. Y'know what I said to them? I slap them bitches! Backhanded, even! I did that once and did bout flounce my ass outta there because that was a way I was taught to relinquish their whorishness upon theirselves. Maybe it a bit much, them being 13 n all. They always around that age when they hang back round here. Don't know why, but they always a piece, so I do the big brother thing and fucked her mother tenderly so she would wind up with more babies so the next time these bitches be stepping up onto the marble precipace on which (checks notes) them jerbled dang gangly pussylips be sunderin...like it fair into the old aeracorn I preached into when I was eleven..."oʻh these entangerments" so screep with me when I pull you under water with me cuz I am calling a nuke in on onto myself to incite the end of the world, but this ish already planned, so I did done dogged my fate to a reality where some meaningless textualmobizoils will bequeath unto me the archanized argginsttttor offff alllllll we eeeevvvvvveerr neeedeed or wantoredder3deded, as you say in your retarded speak, but I'm just 'membering now, ain't it a thing, being old? Fuck. I forgot where I put my penis.
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There have been, like, five societal things that have improved since the 90s, and banning smoking in basically all public spaces is one of them.
I can't even imagine air travel before the smoking ban. Mega yuck.
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