Only locally, at least here in the US.

Nationally you have no power politically unless you're a billionaire or available for purchase by a billionaire. Thankfully, at least locally, good things are still possible.

There are safeguards in place to prevent change

These are not the only options. Savings yourself is an option.

You're really bad with metaphors. The second person is holding your head down.

How about I draw you a picture.

You do if you vote for Republicans who pretend to be Democrats.

No one has said anything about voting. We just don't support the oligarchy, which consists of right-wing Democrats and right-wing Republicans.

Do you not understand the “incremental help" is going to lead to your death?

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You're missing their point though. People are dying. While things are slow people are dying. At a certain point that becomes a problem doesn't it? How long do you wait? How slow can we afford it to be?

It's just kind of absurd to ask people who are dying of lack of Health Care right this minute to be patient. To ask people that are living in crippling poverty to be patient. To ask women and children that are being raped with impunity to be patient. We're drowning here.

Isn't that exactly what OP said?

That's not the choice we have

[rewrites the same exact thing]

I don’t think there’s no way forward short of revolution yet, but I think your criticism is overly harsh. The first step toward change is recognizing that there is a problem and assessing the magnitude of the problem. Most normal people are still grappling with this step, so expressing the facts (and your opinions) about the problem and need for a solution is important for convincing others.

The next, and assuredly harder, step is coming up with an effective and lasting solution. A realistic solution depends on widespread support, so you can’t really jump to this step without knowing what sort of support you have behind your cause.

Support is building for change, but there’s still enormous value in these sort of posts. Making calls for change seem like a normal thing that normal people do will make actual change more likely to happen and stick.

Edit: wording Edit again: why was the post I responded to removed? I didn’t agree with it, but we want to be able to have a discussion here not be in an echo chamber.

the portion of people posting about what actual organising efforts they've done is far too low

What is there to even say about it that doesn't make you a target? Memes are easy and entertaining; writing about your organizing efforts is less so. I used to make memes about that stuff but the more involved I got the less it made sense to talk about it on Lemmy.

As if nobody knew that already.

Are you serious right now? Are you aware of just how many people on the Lemmyverse have been arguing that lesser evil voting is not only the only moral choice but a moral choice that has a real impact?

There are so many people who are not actually aware that the system is beyond repair, that believe voting is somehow outside the system that is broken and can be used to repair it.

We need to break the fantasy that keeps people pacified and trapped. We need people to stop fighting about electoralism all together because they have realized it is fundamentally incapable of solving any of the problems they see.

What is the point of Lemmy if the comments are just gonna get removed bruh.

I mean, the sidebar is pretty clear on what this comm is for and what is going to get deleted. The mod isn't exactly subtle; libs just keep not getting it.

Echo chambers gotta echo.

OP is the mod removing comments calling them out for their terrible takes. VOTE.

What's the point of moderation? Stupid question

Seriously, I’m blocking this community.

Follow the rules and leave your political liberalism at the door and comments won't get removed

Because this community knows they can’t argue their positions on the merits.

Disappearing because they keep arguing in favor of the people that's caused our current situations

Comments have been removed when they break the rules, we just have a massive influx of reddit liberals who are too used to the idea that they're exempt.

Dont follow the rules, gets comments removed. OUTRAGED

Especially when we have perfect good, simple analogies about Democrats already.

"It’s like saying to somebody, 'You have a bowl of shit in front of you, and all you've got to do is eat half of it instead of the whole thing.' It's still shit."

What has voting for the fascist pigs gotten you other than more poverty, more homelessness, more war, more debt, less freedom, more oppression?

Several studies have shown voting does not influence policy or politicians.

I understand the analogy, its a you problem.

your dead either way

The whole point is that you don't live with either choice

Either case you end up at the bottom of the lake

You don't seem to understand how respiration works, or analogies.

Try this.

We are Radcliffe.

Democrats are Dano.

In this context “not voting because it doesn’t matter” would be sitting in the car until you drown

In case you missed the metaphor, Blue is the one saying, "Don't drown for the next 40 years because I'm going to eventually save you," and they've been saying that for 100 years

In the words of James Baldwin, "how much time do you want for your progress?"

So you're upset that a moderated forum is being moderated? Lmao.