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The cables that degraded that way were because they used a more recyclable product, they moved away from it and it stopped being a problem.
That so many of the Apple frayed outside cables survived despite the outside fraying is funny …

Their cables are now braided by default.
The “hating apple” or better yet “tech tribalism” in general is the real cult
Same goes for Google and the others. They have a tribe or flock or cult. All the tech companies want that or have it to some degree. Though some are more obvious.
Funny, Apple mainstreamed tech tribalism. Remember when they were so so butthurt when android entered the scene, that their whole cult started calling them poor people's phone? Their whole schtick was being an expensive status symbol? Suing samsung because their phone was a rectangle? Suing a pear brand logo because theirs was an apple. They had to go so low to green bubble android users to.make them seem like outcasts in group chats for teenagers? Tim Apple's "Buy your mom an iPhone" because they didn't want to support RCS?
You can "achsually" spin it however the fuck you want, Apple is THE tech tribalist cult, that other companies fawn over. Not the smart ones, the dumb and loyal ones who buy expensive shit no matter what.
Fuck all Big Tech. They're only after monopolizing the market for data and profits.
Yeah you can criticise Apple on many things, but definitely not in build quality and software support. They're so far ahead of everyone else, it's not even funny.
What a ridiculous statement... They are pioneers in planned obsolescence. They literally designed a laptop where all of the heat vented directly onto the vulnerable hinge until the screen eventually failed and an iPhone that couldn't make phone calls until you bought an extra case for it.
I'm not saying they're perfect, far from that, personally I despise their stupid marketing and clear cut decisions (the CD drive, the jack, etc.), the repairability is abysmal. They had big flukes and made stupid decisions, like fanless laptops, butterfly keyboards and such.
But an iPhone is supported for 10 years software wise, a MacBook is supported for 7 years. The build quality of pretty much all their products is also generally great with the occasional miss. Not many tech manufacturers come close. Maybe I'm mistaken and I'd be gladly proven wrong.
You’re literally parroting the same type of tech tribalism bullshit that I’m responding to.
They had a design defect. It happens.
They’ve never sold me a phone that explodes in my pocket though. I guess Samsung also planned that obsolescence?
It’s the “assigning intent” behind a thing that proves the tribalism.
For fucks sake just use the shit you want to use and let other people use the shit they want to use.
The problem is that you can't go just off of the price because there are shitty brands that will sell the crappy one that will break early for 20 Euros to fool people into thinking they'll last.
You also bend, move, carry, unplug/replug, use a charge cable a lot more than we did land line phones.
You can buy a coiled USB-C cable, I have a couple, they're pretty sweet. A company called Cable Matters makes them, they generally make quality stuff

Finally a counter-example to enshittification.
Wouldn't they still fray near the end?
Planned obsolescence is one of the cornerstones of our economic order.
Well, think of the data transfer rates. One carries voice, which can be in the kb/s
A lightning cable can carry a few gb/s.
All this extra data weighs down the cable, causing it to fail sooner.
You can solve this problem by switching to light-weight data, or by simply filling your cable with helium to counteract the extra weight!
He'll get the nerds in the lab to cook something up.
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extra data weighs down the cable
Does it really? I get that you're taking the piss, and it won't have any significant or even perceptible impact, but seriously does it?
Like it exists, right? I might just be tweaking here.
I'm gonna end up full Steve here if i think about it much longer
I actually haven't had a cable do this since I stopped buying apple cables. I usually will buy just whatever brand I find and they might stop working eventually, but rarely do they fray like those iPod ones used to.
That's because Apple's cables are designed for aesthetics first and everything else second.
Just like all apple products
Better yet don't buy apple products at all.
But non-Apple cables are not officially supported, right? I think apple can't guarantee that your iPhone works and charges well with an unlicensed cable. Also I don't know if the Apple Repair Shop will accept a phone that has been charged with an unlicensed cable. But what do I know, I am an Android user
As long as they have the MFI certification they are officially supported. I’ve been using a non-MFI cable for a while now and it’s never been a problem, even with getting my battery replaced by Apple.
Oh I just stopped buying apple products altogether after I stopped using iPods. But yeah I have heard that before.
Car manufacturer can't garuntee that the car will drive fine on a road not made by them.
What you said/quoted is a meaningless sentence that just reduces into "bad products are possible to make"
I've had it happen with a few Lenovo laptop chargers. Razer mice though, were especially bad at this 10 years ago. Haven't owned a Razer product since then though, but I'd go through 2 cables per year because of this. Haven't lost a single cable since changing to other brands though.
idk basically any USB cable. It's rare that they fail for me in general, though I have a couple that have given out, and I've seen this happen to other people, but I've never had it happen to me.
Perhaps anecdotal, but I try to avoid unplugging by pulling the wire whenever possible and I also try not to bend it near the connector if I'm using it while charging.
Also stop resting it on the cord bend while using it in bed. The number of times I have seen this prevented by a 90° adapter is… at least 3.
While that might be right in some cases, these just had really bad plastic coverings. I had an htc cable made with the same stuff. Without using it just sitting the drawer, it now is cracked all over and the cover is falling apart. Mechanical stress probably would make it break faster, but these cables also just sucked.
Yeah, but even after then the phone cord was still a buy it for life item and it came for free with the phone. They haven't belonged to the phone company since the 70s at the latest.
FYI:
Greenpeace pressured apple to stop using PVC in their plastics around 2007
Apple realised they could gain PR while making more money by having customers needing to rebuy new cables.
And give up the opportunity to get applause for planned obedience? That is not how you capitalism.
Its quite telling that ever since apple got forced to use usb-c the quality of their cables made a huge leap. It’s almost like the availability of competing cables is good for innovation or something.
Supposedly greenpeace calls it “the poison plastic” and “the most enviromentally damaging plastic”
Gonna have to ask them for their scientific sources.
Personally i think plastics are fine if the product is actually durable. I take good care of my things. My 15 year old ipad mini is practically mint and if it wasnt for “making it more enviromental” i would still be using its original cable also.

Forced obsolescence. What better way to make money than cut the cost of making a cable that lasts half as long for twice as much that people need regularly? This is an example baked into the very government as it called for initial light bulbs to only last a certain amount of time so they are replaced more often to "stimulate" the market.
Apple's cables are the absolute worst I've ever owned. They always break.
This is because the plastic they originally used which was good for this kinda caused cancer, so they had to change to a new plastic for that fascist white they love.... Only problem is the new plastic breaks easily.
Weird, for me the apple cables are usually the best I can get. But I've never had one of those plastic/silicone cables of theirs, just their braided USB-C ones. They have really good charging speeds and I have yet to break one of them.
You own the Apple cable and are responsible for the repairs, Apple sells replacements, so they're built to die and require replacement quickly.
Back in the day, the phone company owned the phone and was responsible for the repairs, so they were built to last.
I have Sennheiser HD 280 headphones. They have a telephone cord for a wire. So good. So worth it. Cable still going strong after 6 years. And get this... when it breaks? I can replace it. They make spare parts. Saved me a ton of money in the long run
Just so we are clear, the current iPhone is about a mm thicker than the RJ-11 jack at the end of the phone cord…
Because you want it to fit in a small pocket, not take half the space in your backpack.
My cellphone doesnt even have the audio quality of an old landline...
What were those cords even made of? Fucking mithril?
its braided copper covered in plastic insulation, it's just that apple cables are garbage
My steam deck cables, I could climb mountains with them
Profit
Those phone cables should be compatible as USB charging cables with some kind of adapter. Gives me an idea
So much shit got into my phone port I started charging wirelessly and never looked back.
I just cleaned mine out with a needle.
One was designed to be rented from the phone company.
I hate to be that that guy - but a lot of this can be boiled down to careless use. If you pull in the cable to disconnect, you’re eventually going to break it. You’re supposed to pull on the hard plastic part of the connector.
If by "that guy" you mean the guy that didn't understood the comparison, then yes, you're "that guy". We used to mistreat the living shit out of telephone cables and they rarely broke.
Oh I understand the comparison - but it begets the question: just how often did you plug and unplug in your RJ11s from your landline phone? Because we’re not really comparing like-for-like here.
I’m also old enough to remember having to do untangle those cords every month or so and they would eventually start crackling whenever you moved, before eventually not working without any obvious signs of physical damage.
Do you have any real world experience with these cables? The material is shit. It gets stiff and brittle with time and ends up breaking regardless of how well you pamper it.
Yes, I do? Maybe I did just get lucky - but the lightning cable that came with my 6S just recently died after a decade.
It’s sole purpose was to sit at my computer desk to allow me to charge while working from home, in the end there was no splitting or fraying of the cable - it just stopped charging. 🤷🏻♂️
I’ve also still got my Xs and 14 Pro cables, but have largely switched to Qi2 in preparation for upgrading to the 18 Pro.
I had USB cables back in the early days of the tech which lasted years regularly where as the modern ones are designed to break. The point where the cable will bend typically has no reinforcement and is the point of most degradation.
I’ve owned six Apple-made cables, and every single one of them broke like this. The fourth time, I gaslit myself into believing it was my fault, so I babied the cable to an extreme degree to keep it healthy. I only touched the hard plastic, I kept the cable lying in a straight line with no kinks, and I never let any force/heat/sunlight/water touch the cable even a little bit. It still went bad.
I’ve owned dozens of cheap garbage cables I bought at 1/10 the price from many brands, none of them has ever failed.
Anyone who has read or watched Silo will recognize this is because Apple put extreme R&D efforts into making sure their cables fail after an acceptable amount of time to give them plausible deniability in forcing another purchase.
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They can. There are brands selling durable USB-C cables, I think they cost around 20 Euros each.
For Apple stuff, they will make it durable once their customer base stops being a cult.
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