Why?

21 hours ago by cm0002 to c/memes

ViatorOmnium 112 points 20 hours ago

They can. There are brands selling durable USB-C cables, I think they cost around 20 Euros each.

For Apple stuff, they will make it durable once their customer base stops being a cult.

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axh 78 points 20 hours ago

'* once the EU will make them

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prettybunnys 18 points 20 hours ago

The cables that degraded that way were because they used a more recyclable product, they moved away from it and it stopped being a problem.

That so many of the Apple frayed outside cables survived despite the outside fraying is funny …

Their cables are now braided by default.

The “hating apple” or better yet “tech tribalism” in general is the real cult

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EliteCloneMike 10 points 19 hours ago

Same goes for Google and the others. They have a tribe or flock or cult. All the tech companies want that or have it to some degree. Though some are more obvious.

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0_o7 6 points 7 hours ago

Funny, Apple mainstreamed tech tribalism. Remember when they were so so butthurt when android entered the scene, that their whole cult started calling them poor people's phone? Their whole schtick was being an expensive status symbol? Suing samsung because their phone was a rectangle? Suing a pear brand logo because theirs was an apple. They had to go so low to green bubble android users to.make them seem like outcasts in group chats for teenagers? Tim Apple's "Buy your mom an iPhone" because they didn't want to support RCS?

You can "achsually" spin it however the fuck you want, Apple is THE tech tribalist cult, that other companies fawn over. Not the smart ones, the dumb and loyal ones who buy expensive shit no matter what.

Fuck all Big Tech. They're only after monopolizing the market for data and profits.

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BestBouclettes -17 points 19 hours ago

Yeah you can criticise Apple on many things, but definitely not in build quality and software support. They're so far ahead of everyone else, it's not even funny.

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Snapz 22 points 17 hours ago

What a ridiculous statement... They are pioneers in planned obsolescence. They literally designed a laptop where all of the heat vented directly onto the vulnerable hinge until the screen eventually failed and an iPhone that couldn't make phone calls until you bought an extra case for it.

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BestBouclettes 4 points 17 hours ago

I'm not saying they're perfect, far from that, personally I despise their stupid marketing and clear cut decisions (the CD drive, the jack, etc.), the repairability is abysmal. They had big flukes and made stupid decisions, like fanless laptops, butterfly keyboards and such.

But an iPhone is supported for 10 years software wise, a MacBook is supported for 7 years. The build quality of pretty much all their products is also generally great with the occasional miss. Not many tech manufacturers come close. Maybe I'm mistaken and I'd be gladly proven wrong.

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prettybunnys -1 points 10 hours ago

You’re literally parroting the same type of tech tribalism bullshit that I’m responding to.

They had a design defect. It happens.

They’ve never sold me a phone that explodes in my pocket though. I guess Samsung also planned that obsolescence?

It’s the “assigning intent” behind a thing that proves the tribalism.

For fucks sake just use the shit you want to use and let other people use the shit they want to use.

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DaddleDew 17 points 19 hours ago

The problem is that you can't go just off of the price because there are shitty brands that will sell the crappy one that will break early for 20 Euros to fool people into thinking they'll last.

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Fmstrat 1 point an hour ago

Exactly. My Aliexpress specials have lasted forever. Buying a "brand" is dumb.

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Pratai 66 points 18 hours ago

People seem to forget how easily phone cords went bad. We had to jiggle them or hold them at weird angles to keep talking.

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stylusmobilus 17 points 14 hours ago

You also bend, move, carry, unplug/replug, use a charge cable a lot more than we did land line phones.

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VAK 5 points 11 hours ago

I don't remember that at all.. Was it before 90s?

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Pratai 2 points 10 hours ago

I don’t think many of those types of phones were made/used in the 90’s.

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VAK 1 point 7 hours ago

Landlines of course were, what are you on about?

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Pratai 2 points 5 hours ago

So…. Look at the picture. See the phone? THOSE WEREN’T MADE IN THE 90’s.

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ramenshaman 52 points 15 hours ago

You can buy a coiled USB-C cable, I have a couple, they're pretty sweet. A company called Cable Matters makes them, they generally make quality stuff

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TheBrideWoreCrimson 1 point 7 hours ago

Finally a counter-example to enshittification.

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tigeruppercut 1 point 6 hours ago

Wouldn't they still fray near the end?

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Leviathan 4 points 5 hours ago

I've bought some good quality ones of these and because the coil pulls on the connection it often causes a kink failure near the connector.

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Diplomjodler3 44 points 20 hours ago

Planned obsolescence is one of the cornerstones of our economic order.

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Atropos 41 points 12 hours ago

Well, think of the data transfer rates. One carries voice, which can be in the kb/s

A lightning cable can carry a few gb/s.

All this extra data weighs down the cable, causing it to fail sooner.

You can solve this problem by switching to light-weight data, or by simply filling your cable with helium to counteract the extra weight!

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Randelung 19 points 12 hours ago

Thanks, Cave Johnson.

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lemmy_get_my_coat 7 points 12 hours ago

He'll get the nerds in the lab to cook something up.

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mojofrododojo 5 points 5 hours ago

Calvin's Dad Explanation Award

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yermaw 1 point an hour ago

extra data weighs down the cable

Does it really? I get that you're taking the piss, and it won't have any significant or even perceptible impact, but seriously does it?

Like it exists, right? I might just be tweaking here.

I'm gonna end up full Steve here if i think about it much longer

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kreskin 39 points 14 hours ago

I'm in tech, I can answer this for OP (on apple's behalf):

Because fuck you, thats why.

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garbagebagel 29 points 18 hours ago

I actually haven't had a cable do this since I stopped buying apple cables. I usually will buy just whatever brand I find and they might stop working eventually, but rarely do they fray like those iPod ones used to.

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VindictiveJudge 16 points 17 hours ago

That's because Apple's cables are designed for aesthetics first and everything else second.

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Axolotl_cpp 1 point an hour ago

Just like all apple products

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Alwaysnownevernotme 15 points 15 hours ago

Better yet don't buy apple products at all.

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lokalhorst -5 points 16 hours ago

But non-Apple cables are not officially supported, right? I think apple can't guarantee that your iPhone works and charges well with an unlicensed cable. Also I don't know if the Apple Repair Shop will accept a phone that has been charged with an unlicensed cable. But what do I know, I am an Android user

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zeb420 7 points 15 hours ago

As long as they have the MFI certification they are officially supported. I’ve been using a non-MFI cable for a while now and it’s never been a problem, even with getting my battery replaced by Apple.

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garbagebagel 2 points 8 hours ago

Oh I just stopped buying apple products altogether after I stopped using iPods. But yeah I have heard that before.

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LodeMike 5 points 15 hours ago

Car manufacturer can't garuntee that the car will drive fine on a road not made by them.

What you said/quoted is a meaningless sentence that just reduces into "bad products are possible to make"

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y0kai 28 points 21 hours ago

must be an apple thing lol i have never had this happen

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MBech 1 point 19 hours ago

I've had it happen with a few Lenovo laptop chargers. Razer mice though, were especially bad at this 10 years ago. Haven't owned a Razer product since then though, but I'd go through 2 cables per year because of this. Haven't lost a single cable since changing to other brands though.

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Murse 2 points 15 hours ago

I think around 2016 is when Razer really went down the toilet. There was a time when they built good quality hardware, but they're just enshittified garbage with a flashy hue cycle now.

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Wildmimic 1 point 12 hours ago

Yeah, USB cables that became defective for me either had a damaged plug in micro-usb times or they had internal breaks after intense and frankly pretty rough use.

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sit 1 point 19 hours ago

Which brands do you say are longlasting?

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y0kai 5 points 18 hours ago

idk basically any USB cable. It's rare that they fail for me in general, though I have a couple that have given out, and I've seen this happen to other people, but I've never had it happen to me.

Perhaps anecdotal, but I try to avoid unplugging by pulling the wire whenever possible and I also try not to bend it near the connector if I'm using it while charging.

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pipe01 25 points 19 hours ago

Pull on the connector instead of the cable and it'll last 3x longer

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atomicbocks 12 points 16 hours ago

Also stop resting it on the cord bend while using it in bed. The number of times I have seen this prevented by a 90° adapter is… at least 3.

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purplemonkeymad 9 points 16 hours ago

While that might be right in some cases, these just had really bad plastic coverings. I had an htc cable made with the same stuff. Without using it just sitting the drawer, it now is cracked all over and the cover is falling apart. Mechanical stress probably would make it break faster, but these cables also just sucked.

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starik 3 points 14 hours ago

Just from oxidation

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TheSlad 24 points 14 hours ago

Because then you would only buy one of them

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piccolo 16 points 14 hours ago

Back in the day, the phone was property of the phone company, so it was in their best interest not having someone come replace the cable.

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JustPlainDave 5 points 14 hours ago

Yeah, but even after then the phone cord was still a buy it for life item and it came for free with the phone. They haven't belonged to the phone company since the 70s at the latest.

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senko 2 points 10 hours ago

No thanks, at that point I'd rather just a buy a third party one of higher quality.

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webghost0101 22 points 10 hours ago

FYI:

Greenpeace pressured apple to stop using PVC in their plastics around 2007

Apple realised they could gain PR while making more money by having customers needing to rebuy new cables.

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Jiral 8 points 6 hours ago

You don't need PVC to create durable cabling.

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webghost0101 4 points 6 hours ago

And give up the opportunity to get applause for planned obedience? That is not how you capitalism.

Its quite telling that ever since apple got forced to use usb-c the quality of their cables made a huge leap. It’s almost like the availability of competing cables is good for innovation or something.

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edinbruh 3 points 5 hours ago

Whats the matter with PVC specifically?

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webghost0101 0 points 4 hours ago

Supposedly greenpeace calls it “the poison plastic” and “the most enviromentally damaging plastic”

Gonna have to ask them for their scientific sources.

Personally i think plastics are fine if the product is actually durable. I take good care of my things. My 15 year old ipad mini is practically mint and if it wasnt for “making it more enviromental” i would still be using its original cable also.

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myyass 2 points 4 hours ago

This is the paradox. I still have old cables from 20+ years ago, the new stuff degrades. At least the woven/braided cables seem like they might last longer.

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boobookittyfrick 12 points 10 hours ago

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BeardededSquidward 11 points 12 hours ago

Forced obsolescence. What better way to make money than cut the cost of making a cable that lasts half as long for twice as much that people need regularly? This is an example baked into the very government as it called for initial light bulbs to only last a certain amount of time so they are replaced more often to "stimulate" the market.

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Lucidlethargy 10 points 18 hours ago

Apple's cables are the absolute worst I've ever owned. They always break.

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KiwiTB 11 points 18 hours ago

This is because the plastic they originally used which was good for this kinda caused cancer, so they had to change to a new plastic for that fascist white they love.... Only problem is the new plastic breaks easily.

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4am 12 points 17 hours ago

“Fascist white”?

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KiwiTB 2 points 7 hours ago

Apple likes things white... Much like....

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python 4 points 17 hours ago

Weird, for me the apple cables are usually the best I can get. But I've never had one of those plastic/silicone cables of theirs, just their braided USB-C ones. They have really good charging speeds and I have yet to break one of them.

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gastroglizzy 9 points 20 hours ago

You own the Apple cable and are responsible for the repairs, Apple sells replacements, so they're built to die and require replacement quickly.

Back in the day, the phone company owned the phone and was responsible for the repairs, so they were built to last.

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SethTaylor 6 points 4 hours ago

I have Sennheiser HD 280 headphones. They have a telephone cord for a wire. So good. So worth it. Cable still going strong after 6 years. And get this... when it breaks? I can replace it. They make spare parts. Saved me a ton of money in the long run

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atomicbocks 6 points 15 hours ago

Just so we are clear, the current iPhone is about a mm thicker than the RJ-11 jack at the end of the phone cord…

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dylanmorgan 4 points 16 hours ago

Because you want it to fit in a small pocket, not take half the space in your backpack.

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TeaWithDani 4 points 14 hours ago

My cellphone doesnt even have the audio quality of an old landline...

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SourDragon 3 points 12 hours ago

What were those cords even made of? Fucking mithril?

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brap 3 points 19 hours ago

Because I'd rather have the cable die than some super-ruggedised cable with the flexibility of a pencil break the port.

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sit 4 points 19 hours ago

You can have both…

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brap 1 point 18 hours ago

Superb, I can break both my phone and the cable at the same time /s

Though tbf I've got stock Apple cables which are years old. I don't get how people do this.

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Malica 3 points 17 hours ago

More shit inside that shouldn't be bent maybe?

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homosapien 5 points 17 hours ago

its braided copper covered in plastic insulation, it's just that apple cables are garbage

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TropicalDingdong 6 points 17 hours ago

My steam deck cables, I could climb mountains with them

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Bebopalouie 2 points 18 hours ago

Profit

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hex123456 2 points 18 hours ago

That old cord had lead in it. Newer regulations require different materials.

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Thorry 4 points 18 hours ago

Also the plastic was made from cancer. Like pure 100% distilled cancer in plastic form.

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SCmSTR 2 points 10 hours ago

I feel like it wouldn't really be that hard to do. Just do the coily cable thing. It's the same reason why springs are coils.

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NathanRanch 2 points 19 hours ago

Those phone cables should be compatible as USB charging cables with some kind of adapter. Gives me an idea

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Widdershins 1 point 18 hours ago

So much shit got into my phone port I started charging wirelessly and never looked back.

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ArcaneSlime 2 points 16 hours ago

I just cleaned mine out with a needle.

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Ensign_Crab 1 point 19 hours ago

One was designed to be rented from the phone company.

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sit 1 point 19 hours ago

💵💵💵

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knacht1 1 point 13 hours ago

Acid in your skin oils is breaking down the plasticizer in the insulation.

Has happened before here, with more than just phone\usb cables.

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thatOneGuy -4 points 13 hours ago

I hate to be that that guy - but a lot of this can be boiled down to careless use. If you pull in the cable to disconnect, you’re eventually going to break it. You’re supposed to pull on the hard plastic part of the connector.

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potustheplant 12 points 13 hours ago

If by "that guy" you mean the guy that didn't understood the comparison, then yes, you're "that guy". We used to mistreat the living shit out of telephone cables and they rarely broke.

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thatOneGuy 1 point 13 hours ago

Oh I understand the comparison - but it begets the question: just how often did you plug and unplug in your RJ11s from your landline phone? Because we’re not really comparing like-for-like here.

I’m also old enough to remember having to do untangle those cords every month or so and they would eventually start crackling whenever you moved, before eventually not working without any obvious signs of physical damage.

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potustheplant 6 points 13 hours ago

Do you have any real world experience with these cables? The material is shit. It gets stiff and brittle with time and ends up breaking regardless of how well you pamper it.

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thatOneGuy 2 points 12 hours ago

Yes, I do? Maybe I did just get lucky - but the lightning cable that came with my 6S just recently died after a decade.

It’s sole purpose was to sit at my computer desk to allow me to charge while working from home, in the end there was no splitting or fraying of the cable - it just stopped charging. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I’ve also still got my Xs and 14 Pro cables, but have largely switched to Qi2 in preparation for upgrading to the 18 Pro.

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BeardededSquidward 2 points 12 hours ago

I had USB cables back in the early days of the tech which lasted years regularly where as the modern ones are designed to break. The point where the cable will bend typically has no reinforcement and is the point of most degradation.

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binarytobis 2 points 8 hours ago

I’ve owned six Apple-made cables, and every single one of them broke like this. The fourth time, I gaslit myself into believing it was my fault, so I babied the cable to an extreme degree to keep it healthy. I only touched the hard plastic, I kept the cable lying in a straight line with no kinks, and I never let any force/heat/sunlight/water touch the cable even a little bit. It still went bad.

I’ve owned dozens of cheap garbage cables I bought at 1/10 the price from many brands, none of them has ever failed.

Anyone who has read or watched Silo will recognize this is because Apple put extreme R&D efforts into making sure their cables fail after an acceptable amount of time to give them plausible deniability in forcing another purchase.

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