Goodbye Youtube and thanks for all the fish

3 years ago by mvilain to c/technology

Youtube let the other shoe drop in their end-stage enshittification this week. Last month, they required you to turn on Youtube History to view the feed of youtube videos recommendations. That seems reasonable, so I did it. But I delete my history every 1 week instead of every 3 months. So they don't get much from my choices. It still did a pretty good job of showing me stuff I was interested in watching.

Then on Oct 1, they threw up a "You're using an Ad Blocker" overlay on videos. I'd use my trusty Overlay Remover plugin to remove the annoying javascript graphic and watch what I wanted. I didn't have to click the X to dismiss the obnoxious page.

Last week, they started placing a timer with the X so you had to wait 5 seconds for the X to appear so you could dismiss blocking graphic.

Today, there was a new graphic. It allowed you to view three videos before you had to turn off your Ad Blocker. I viewed a video 3 times just to see what happens.

Now all I see is this.

Google has out and out made it a violation of their ToS to have an ad blocker to view Youtube. Or you can pay them $$$.

I ban such sites from my systems by replacing their DNS name in my hosts file routed to 127.0.0.1 which means I can't view the site. I have quite a few banned sites now.

mihnt 450 points 3 years ago

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mojo 227 points 3 years ago

Lol it was some Google employee's job for months to work on this anti AdBlock method and uBlock Origin bypasses it like same day

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henfredemars 308 points 3 years ago

Don't assume ineptitude.

I've been in the position of being asked to implement an anti-feature. I made it take as long as possible to drive up the cost and designed it to be trivially bypassable because I'm not motivated to intentionally trash my own project.

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david 132 points 3 years ago

I don't know who you are, or what you write, but thank you.

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AssPennies 113 points 3 years ago

Subterfuge at work, a fun subject to study.

Some of my favorites from a declassified WWII "simple productivity sabotage" manual:

Insist on doing everything through "channels." Never permit short-cuts to be taken in order to expedite decisions.
Make "speeches." Talk as frequently as possible and at great length. Illustrate your "points" by long anecdotes and accounts of personal experiences.
When possible, refer all matters to committees, for "further study and consideration." Attempt to make the committee as large as possible — never less than five.
Bring up irrelevant issues as frequently as possible.
Haggle over precise wordings of communications, minutes, resolutions.
Refer back to matters decided upon at the last meeting and attempt to re-open the question of the advisability of that decision.
Advocate "caution." Be "reasonable" and urge your fellow-conferees to be "reasonable"and avoid haste which might result in embarrassments or difficulties later on.

When I first saw these I was like goddamn, psyops got to my executive director!

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FUBAR 29 points 3 years ago

Sounds like how work is done in large corps

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bearwithastick 18 points 3 years ago

Wow, most of these points just sound like a responsible way to handle all the bullshit requests from employees. I'm not saying make it unnessecarily painful for employees to request changes. However, I currently work at a company that did the "just do it" approach for years, got big with it and now our department needs to clean up the bullshit of many years to get the company up to code with whatever regulations we are under and people still think we can continue working just like that.

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Hamartiogonic 10 points 3 years ago

“Don't order new working materials until your current stocks have been virtually exhausted, so that the slightest delay in filling your order will mean a shutdown.”

See also: lean manufacturing

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slaacaa 8 points 3 years ago

It’s I think the CIA sabotage handbook

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atetulo 2 points 3 years ago

What's funny about this is all of this pretty much comes naturally when you're doing something you don't want to do without a reason to do it.

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Tick_Dracy 1 point 3 years ago

Do you know if there is a book (extensive article) which covers that in detail?

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Mango 1 point 3 years ago

WWII changed their name to BMV I think.

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mojo 7 points 3 years ago

Destroying them from the inside I see

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Scotty_Trees 6 points 3 years ago

Not all heroes wear capes, but you are a godsend!

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freebee 1 point 3 years ago

the prejudice, assuming they don't wear a cape.

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DooDeeDoo 5 points 3 years ago

I always thought if youtube pushes the anti ad policy too hard they risk alienating the tech people who will end up on another platform which will start growing much faster. What they do is come up with half assed ad blocking. So casual people and people on locked systems like iPhone YouTube app are forced to watch ads.

Anyone not bothered by ads or Lacy enough will make Google money by watching ads. So they’re squeezing as much money without going too far. If they wanted to, they could have ads which would be unblock-able.

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AlexWIWA 4 points 3 years ago

Based

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atetulo 1 point 3 years ago

Good guy.

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AlexWIWA 5 points 3 years ago

90% chance the dev knew and didn't care

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actually_a_tomato 1 point 3 years ago

If only they could do the same for Twitch

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mog77a 1 point 3 years ago

Adblock solutions still exist for twitch. I'm using one right now. Never seen a single ultra intrusive pre-roll or full screen ad in months. Banner ads occasionally sneak through.

It does break every now and then for a week or so when twitch updates things, but still infinitely better than sitting through ads.

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mojo 1 point 3 years ago

Which addon do you use because I've tried like all of them. They still manage to get thru

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Zellith 35 points 3 years ago

Ive had to dick around with my adblock settings once every few days lately.

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snooggums 87 points 3 years ago

Firefox + ublock origin = I haven't had to do anything for the last year and stuff just gets blocked with no downsides.

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shamrock 3 points 3 years ago

Yeah this is the way. I honestly forgot they had ads until I pulled a video up on my phone to show a friend the other day.

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praise_idleness 55 points 3 years ago

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Critical_Insight 3 points 3 years ago

to clean a condom*

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sagrotan 28 points 3 years ago

And don't forget to show your appreciation to the people who maintain that whole shebang - of course, only if you're able to. Sending here and there 10 bucks, for example to the Newpipe or libretube team - or to your resident open source adblocker - doesn't hurt, it's only a few clicks and it really makes a difference.

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rain_worl 0 points 2 years ago

ublock origin doesn't accept donations, donate to filter list maintainers instead

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3migo 15 points 3 years ago

How would one do this? I use ublock origin on Firefox, but I've started seeing the same pop-ups on YouTube the last few days and would love to get rid of them.

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ChunkMcHorkle 27 points 3 years ago

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mihnt 8 points 3 years ago

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ChunkMcHorkle 0 points 3 years ago

deleted by creator

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cor315 3 points 3 years ago

We need more people like you in the world.

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3migo 2 points 3 years ago

Sadly it looks like Google/Youtube have now circumvented Ublock again. After implementing the changes you suggested above, it got rid of the pop-ups on Youtube for me for a week, and now they're back and I can't get around them even after updating Ublock. Hopefully Ublock gets around these quickly.

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ChunkMcHorkle 0 points 3 years ago

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rain_worl 0 points 2 years ago

uBO! ublock is unrelated.

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Azzu 2 points 3 years ago

I had that problem as well, I had to make sure I didn't have any other blockers/privacy/enhancer addons that changed YouTube in some way, after that, ublock worked properly again.

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3migo 2 points 3 years ago

Ah, I am also using Sponsorblock. That may be doing it.

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Azzu 2 points 3 years ago

That still works for me. I had to disable "Enhancer for Youtube" and the Firefox-internal "Enhanced tracking protection"

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db2 242 points 3 years ago

But I delete my history every 1 week instead of every 3 months. So they don't get much from my choices.

Implying that deleting them from your view actually deleted them.

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AFreeLarryHoover 129 points 3 years ago

My man thought he was permanently erasing it from history.

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almar_quigley 37 points 3 years ago

Next you’ll tell me cognito mode isn’t keeping my browsing completely private! /s

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luciferofastora 22 points 3 years ago

How can my workplace admin block Pornhub even when I'm using private mode? He shouldn't even be allowed to see what I do privately!

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Kushan 29 points 3 years ago

I mean, this is mostly borne from a fundamental misunderstanding of what "Private Browsing" mode is and was meant to be.

When you open an incognito tab on Chrome, it literally says "Now you can browse privately, and other people who use this device won’t see your activity."

It also says

Your activity might still be visible to:

Websites that you visit

Your employer or school

Your Internet service provider

Fuck using Chrome and I'm not defending Google at all here, but they never once claimed Incognito was anything more than it was.

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troistigrestristes 3 points 3 years ago

If the incognito mode is not keeping your browsing private, imagine the cognitive mode!

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parpol 41 points 3 years ago

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luciferofastora 36 points 3 years ago

Surely they'll actually comply, not be caught in an audit years down the line and given a friendly "Now now, we talked about this: don't get caught breaking the law again!" slap on the wrist for failing to delete and instead further monetising that data?

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dm_me_your_feet 1 point 3 years ago

Under GDPR and DMA, there would be real consequences. Like "being broken up or cease to exist" magnitude of consequences. Why would they risk it for the 1% of users who actually care and set their privacy settings accordingly?

Google doesnt care about you or anyones personal data. They care about the amount they collect. If the most privacy-aware users wrestle back some data and have it deleted, so be it. Google couldnt care less. Users are like cattle to them, as long as the general "data harvest rate" looks okay they wont investigate the odd one out.

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luciferofastora 1 point 3 years ago

Forgive me for being cynical about the odds of those consequences actually being enacted. Giving the courts a weapon for getting such companies in line is one thing, getting the judges to actually fire it another.

A law is only ever as good as its enforcement.

If I'm wrong, of course, I'll be glad to learn that. I've just run out of optimism halfway through adolescence.

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lemming741 -1 points 3 years ago

This isn't some trivial information like your precise location history, this is serious.

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caesar_salad83 8 points 3 years ago

doesn't even matter. what matters is the meta data. if the data from the list say you like science videos with emphasis on electrical engineering, star wars podcasts and mmorpg let's plays - does that data go away apon history deletion. what about meta-meta data. if the meta data puts you on group X that receive content Y, does that go away apon history deletion. and what kind of integration does that get with the rest of the google knowledge about you...

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Grass 5 points 3 years ago

I doubt turning off history truly does what it says either though. I think it was more about avoiding the shitty algo recc's that try to turn everyone's dad and uncle into a far right extremist.

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TwoGems 224 points 3 years ago

All the morons defending a mindless corporation in this thread forgot that Google has far overstepped it's boundaries in general. It got to where it is from harvesting free data from users. And now is initiating a web DRM that will far overstep any boundary seen. If a website decides to adopt it, everyone is screwed.

https://arstechnica.com/...

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BReel 132 points 3 years ago

“You can go ad free with YouTube premium!”

Buys premium

youtube shows ad for paramount plus under my video

Cancels YouTube premium.

So anywho there’s a thing called freetube. Just saying. Idk that it’s a perfect alternative, but it’s at least one step further from googles prying eyes and grubby hands.

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Jordan117 131 points 3 years ago

Tbh, I block ads when I can but have a hard time getting angry about this. YouTube is both incredibly useful and incredibly expensive to operate -- seriously, what other service lets you upload hours of HD video which anyone in the world can access instantly, indefinitely, for free, and at the same scale YT does? It's a peerless engineering marvel and it would be a tragedy if it were to shut down. If seeing some short skippable ads is what it takes to keep that resource viable, that's honestly pretty fair.

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TheRealKuni 76 points 3 years ago

I just pay for YouTube Premium. It gets me YouTube Music, so for slightly more than the cost of Spotify I get music streaming and ad-free YouTube, and the channels I watch on YouTube get more value out of my streaming than if I watched with ads. And far more than if I watched with an adblocker.

Google Play Music was so much better than YouTube Music, unfortunately, but YouTube Music is still usable.

I understand that everyone hates ads. I hate ads, too. But video streaming and content creation aren’t free. I want to support the platform and support the creators whose content I enjoy, and I don’t want ads. So YouTube Premium seems like the easy option.

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Maajmaaj 26 points 3 years ago

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TheRealKuni 12 points 3 years ago

I’ll admit I make good money. I work in software.

But I’ve been paying that since before I was making good money. Again, this is my music streaming platform. I would be paying $10/month to Spotify if I weren’t paying $14/month to YouTube.

(Actually I looked into my subscription while typing this, and I’m still paying the grandfathered price of $9.99/month for YouTube Premium. Pretty sweet, that.)

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Xepher 15 points 3 years ago

FYI, that grandfathered price goes away after December

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NENathaniel 8 points 3 years ago

Not really being reasonable. I don't make much above min wage but buy YT Premium

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possiblylinux127 3 points 3 years ago

Its reasonable for a lot of us

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Infinity13 8 points 3 years ago

AdGuard and Vinegar on safari, uYouPlus from Altstore

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q47tx 6 points 3 years ago

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narwhalperson 4 points 3 years ago

Vivaldi browser just came out for iOS and has Adblock support. So does Firefox focus. Also, invidious/piped is always an option.

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oKtosiTe 3 points 3 years ago

Using AdGuard and Vinegar to use YouTube in Safari, I can’t remember when I last saw an ad. It’s not ideal, but it works well enough.

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coffinwood -2 points 3 years ago

But your "solution" sounds like you don't contribute at all. Especially none of the content creators gets a dime out of your consumption.

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Maajmaaj 2 points 3 years ago

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Rengoku -2 points 3 years ago

If you are broke you are better off using your time outside fediverse or social media to make extra money.

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Maajmaaj 1 point 3 years ago

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knobbysideup 1 point 3 years ago

Ads should be separate from content and not interfere with it. Ad blockers likely wouldn't be a thing if this were followed. Also, ad networks are a security issue. Host them on your own servers with relationships with advertisers if you must have them.

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The_Mixer_Dude 3 points 3 years ago

The way ads are displayed effects how effective they are which in turn effects how valuable they are. More people turning to adblockers reduces the effectiveness of the ads and devalues the advertising method as a whole, more adblockers being used, lower effectiveness. YouTube then has to resort to putting in effort to combat adblockers which itself costs even more, ads have to become more intrusive to retain their value so YouTube can maintain it's own servers and pay it's content creators and it becomes an endless cycle of "fuck you I want your service for free and you are trampling my rights for trying to profit off me using your product". In return all YouTube asks of you to obtain an ad-free video watching session for a month is $4 ($22/month split among 6 users)

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squeakycat 56 points 3 years ago

The tragedy is that the centralized, profit-driven, socially-damaging platform keeps so much value under ransom because the parent company can operate it for so long at a loss.

I get that the platform is a marvel, it's just disappointing that its purpose is tailored to keep eyes watching more ads rather than contribute to society as a whole.

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418teapot 53 points 3 years ago

I would have more sympathy for Youtube if 1. it wasn't the de-facto standard where essentially all video media gets uploaded to (which Youtube itself has done everything in its power to make happen) and 2. the company that owned it didn't also own the most popular phone OS, most popular search engine, most popular email provider, most popular ad network, most popular maps, most popular online office suite, most popular airline booking, 2nd most popular cloud hosting... The list goes on

Until a federated solution like peertube gains more traction I have no problem paying content creators directly via patreon, and do everything in my power to not pay Google a dime. Trust me, they can afford it just fine.

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Traister101 37 points 3 years ago

I only looked into blocking ads sometime around like 2014-2016? I was perfectly fine with them for a very long time, they got more and more invasive and poor quality to the point I looked into blocking them. Haven't gone without an ad blocker ever since. No way in hell am I dealing with the current state of YouTube ads which are drastically worse than what pushed me to start blocking them to begin with.

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AeroLemming 4 points 3 years ago

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Franzia 22 points 3 years ago

What angers me is the capital deciding to control everything. Enshittifying ads, pushing narratives, censoring valuable content. If it were a worse service but with better owners, I'd pay more.

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honey_im_meat_grinding 13 points 3 years ago

Norway, Sweden, Austria, Hungary, Luxembourg, and others have it as part of law that Works Councils get 33% of the seats on the board of directors, and employees are elected to take up those roles. In Slovenia, Germany, and Slovakia, it is as high as 50%. That's the kind of ownership we should demand and then some, where average people get to have a say in what's going on at YouTube. Then maybe we'd get more ethical business decisions and choices we'd be more on board with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/...

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Resonosity 2 points 3 years ago

This reminds me of how certain universities in the US allow space for Student Senate representatives so that the student body directly has influence on the outcomes of the university. Great idea really

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Franzia 1 point 3 years ago

Wow I didn't know. Thanks!

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batmangrundies 18 points 3 years ago

The issue is that ads on YouTube used to be fairly innocuous. Now I get batshit conspiracies pushed, non-stop Aussie gambling ads and so on.

Where I was once happy to sit through some food ads, or some tourism ads to support the platform. I'm not happy being blasted with non-stop, low-quality propoganda.

Granted the $22 family plan for me and my wife has worked well. We both use youtube music extensively as well. It's the only streaming service I pay for, the only other subscription I have is for a VPN.

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AccidentalLemming 16 points 3 years ago

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wildginger 16 points 3 years ago

If google cant afford youtube, they could sell it. But they easily can, so Im not losing sleep over the $2 a week they lose from me.

Or, alternatively, if the ads were reasonable, next to no one would feel any real obligation to block them. But they arent, so why should I be concerned about the sites funding?

Like, google isnt some poor struggling indie dev who cant make ends meet. Im not exactly overflowing with sympathy for their business decisions. Theyre the reason adblock is required for modern internet use.

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Ronnie -6 points 3 years ago

Perhaps ads become more unreasonable because so many people block them that those who do watch them are forced to pick up the slack?

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BeigeAgenda 15 points 3 years ago

No, it's just following the curve, until their metrics show them that people stop watching they reduce the number of ads 10% until next cycle.

They have been using the frog boiling method, and crossed my limit like two years ago, when they went from a 5 second ad each x videos to two ads for every video.

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teamevil 9 points 3 years ago

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Honytawk 8 points 3 years ago

When businesses are required to increase profits by 30% every year to not be seen as a failure, they would increase the ads no matter how many of the users watch them.

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reddig33 15 points 3 years ago

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possiblylinux127 11 points 3 years ago

The problem is that YouTube went from "short skippable ads" to almost all ads. It also is a major invader of privacy.

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laylawashere44 0 points 3 years ago

Reminder that YouTubers control how many ads are on a video and until last year or so you could even host video and have it served to millions with zero ads. Now the minimum is one skippable pre roll but like shit costs money to serve 20 million people an hour log 4k video.

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centof 11 points 3 years ago

I share the same sentiment but I can see why someone might want to not support Youtube in any way because they don't want to support Google's stranglehold on the internet. Unfortunately the correct way to address that problem is sensible regulation. Call me skeptical, but that's not gonna happen anytime soon.

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MysticKetchup 10 points 3 years ago

The amount of ads on YouTube only seems to get more and more invasive over time. And I'd have less of a problem with them if they didn't keep showing me the same ads over and over and over again.
Even with all that, I would pay (subscription wise, not like I haven't rented/bought movies from them) if I actually knew where the money was going. YouTube is surely expensive to operate, but we don't know how much money it costs to actually run it vs how much money is extracted via executives and shareholders.

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fugacity 8 points 3 years ago

If you read around you'll find (perhaps surprisingly to you) that YouTube operates at a loss. So in response to your points:

You can pay to get the ads removed. They make less money off of you when they can't serve you ads, and I'm sure they're trying to operate at less of a loss.
Alphabet is a public company, and it must release certain information about YouTube. Anyways, I'm pretty sure they aren't using the money to directly line the shareholder profits. The reality of it is that it's probably just another arm that Alphabet uses as part of its monopolistic tech deathgrip, so it's not gonna be a straightforward computation. Maybe Disney could be used as a metaphor here?

If you don't wanna pay to support that, I don't exactly blame you. But practically, I don't really agree/expect that YouTube should serve you content (or even more so, people with aggressive adblockers) without you giving something in return. Either you eat ads, you pay for a subscription, or you become the product (unfortunately this last point might be true irregardless).

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MysticKetchup 5 points 3 years ago

Basically every tech company "operates at a loss" because of overzealous growth and money going to their investors/parent company/shareholders. I've never seen a detailed breakdown of any tech company's financials released publicly, so I doubt there's any way to prove this one way or another.

They make less money off of you when they can't serve you ads

Genuinely I'd be interested in seeing a source for this since every metric I've seen from third parties is that ad free purchases gives them waaaaaay more money per user compared to the tiny RPU from ads. But maybe Google being its own ad provider changes that

But practically, I don't really agree/expect that YouTube should serve you content (or even more so, people with aggressive adblockers) without you giving something in return.

Never said I was owed anything by them, just that I have no moral or ethical qualms continuing to use adblock on a giant corporation

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makyo 4 points 3 years ago

Where do you read that Youtube is operating at a loss? The last article I can find mentioning that is from something like 10 years ago.

In the last few years they have split Youtube income out of the overall income and it's not like they aren't making money with it - roughly $7B in the last report I can find.

Let's not forget that the strategy of operating at a loss is arguably anticompetitive and monopolistic - not every company has the luxury of doing that, making it extremely difficult to compete against them. Seems pretty clear, with the incessant ads, that they've accomplished the first step in that and are rounding the corner to extracting capital from their users now. So they're not exactly a benevolent actor in this either.

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fugacity 8 points 3 years ago

Just like a few of the other posts, I honestly don't get it. If they can't sell your data and can't serve you ads, then why would they want to spend money serving you for free? There's so many people complaining how YouTube has a monopoly and how it's not even that hard to run, but I seriously doubt these people. Transcoding video and distributing it worldwide while having automated moderation is not easy or cheap. If there were serious contenders in the space people would have moved on, and I don't think it's just the network effect that keeps YouTube as a dominant player here.

People despise ads, but then they want content for free. They use adblockers to bypass a primary revenue source for a website, then go all surprised Pikachu face when that website doesn't welcome them. And then they get upset that they don't want to be the product despite not willing to be a source of ad revenue. I'm willing to pay for YouTube premium (and other subscription models to get rid of ads), but a lot of people aren't. And honestly, I really would rather those people simply leave the site. It would lower operating costs for YouTube (I don't expect my subscription fees to go down but maybe their engineers will have more free time to work on features besides adblocker-blocking), and more people on different sites would lead to more competition.

If you aren't willing to eat ads, and you aren't willing to be the product, and you aren't willing to pay a subscription, then why do you think you're entitled to content?

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ChunkMcHorkle 13 points 3 years ago

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neblem 0 points 3 years ago

YouTube still pays creators pretty high comparatively (55% of ad revenue according to https://www.businessinsider.com/...). You are simply getting a service (hosted, searchable, collection of the largest collection of web videos in an extremely nice interface) that costs money even outside of the creator's cost. For creators they are allowing that 45% cut of ad revenue to get access to the YouTube audience, paid hosting that simply works, nice creator tools, etc.

You can state that it's a valueless thing that anyone could replicate, but the evidence is that there aren't many alternatives that do better. Today we do have things like PeerTube (which I think all creators should consider selfhosting with ads/subscriptions and federating the free stuff after a delay) and joining creator owned video services like Nebula (which could be made even better with federation). Unfortunately, with both you run into the discoverability problem, something creators and their audiences are paying to solve when you are hosting on YouTube.

I'd take your argument further back on the sourcing of getting content to you - why should you pay for internet service when it's the content of the videos you watch not the wires that deliver it that have value? If you hacked around your neighbors WIFI to get some free network access, you could zero-cost get something you might not necessarily want to budget for, and you get quite a nice service out of it. Why shouldn't that be okay when you still Patreon the creators of your videos given your reasoning about YouTube providing no value?

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ChunkMcHorkle 0 points 3 years ago

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lemmyvore 9 points 3 years ago

I honestly don't get it. If they can't sell your data and can't serve you ads, then why would they want to spend money serving you for free?

They shouldn't. If they can't figure out how to make money with it they should close it down. If they insist on thinking about it as a product and it doesn't make money, it's a product that doesn't make sense and should not exist. If the only way you can make people use your product is by giving it away, what does that tell you about it?

They could lock down the platform behind paywall but they don't want to do that. They want to have their cake and eat it too. They want all the free videos being uploaded but they don't like all the free viewers. Unfortunately they go hand in hand.

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NeoNachtwaechter 5 points 3 years ago

[...] you aren't willing to pay a subscription, then why do you think you're entitled to content?

You CANNOT pay for your content there, even if you want to.

Has it never occurred to you that YouTube gets all their content FOR FREE?

You can only pay to make Google even richer. That's all your money can do there. Nothing else.

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fugacity 6 points 3 years ago

Perhaps YouTube gets all their content for free, but it certainly isn't free to transcode video, host it reliably, and distribute it while moderating it (given how bad Twitter is right now I'm sure they have a decent number of measures in place, even if they aren't even "good" at it). And if it was remotely easy, believe me, there would be a lot of competition in this space.

Yes, I make Alphabet x dollars richer (or really, I make YouTube operate at a slightly lesser cost) every month by paying a subscription. And actually, I'm okay with it. A tiny cut of it goes to content creators and I get a nice piece of tech. And I support the branch of Alphabet that has technology that I think is incredibly useful and beneficial. If there's a content creator that I like especially then I'll support them directly.

The reality of it is that things cannot be free. Or at least it seems that way, because we have not been able to provide a free video hosting service that doesn't take advantage of its content creators or consumers.

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NeoNachtwaechter -5 points 3 years ago

Yes, I make Alphabet x dollars richer

A tiny cut of it goes to content creators

No. That was my point. Don't you know their business model? The creators get a tiny share of the paid ads on their video, and they get nothing at all if there are no ads playing on their video. They can never get a share from your payment.

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piekay -2 points 3 years ago

I totally agree. I am a Youtube Premium user for this exact reason. No ads means less financial incentive to track me (I remember a statistic where one user was worth 4cents per year, could be wrong about the exact number though). In a perfect world we would habe monetization networks instead of ad networks, on a pay per view or subscription model instead of ads. This would not only make the companies more money, but also reduce the incentive for them to track you (I would even claim that unnecessary tracking would hurt their business).

We can either have a free (as in no costs) or a free (as in liberty) internet, not both

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stardust 11 points 3 years ago

They are still tracking you though. Removing ads is a reason to pay for YouTube premium, but it's not to get less tracking. Less tracking is not the selling point or service offered by YouTube premium.

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piekay 1 point 3 years ago

That’s because they still have a financial incentive to do so: Google doesn’t offer a fully paid version of their service

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fugacity 0 points 3 years ago

They're definitely still tracking their premium users, I agree. But my counterpoint is, what business, online or not, doesn't track me? If I go out and buy something at a retail store I'm gonna bet my ass I'm being tracked. If I don't want to be tracked, then I should be making sure information I consider to be sensitive is not being exposed. If there is no reasonable expectation to privacy in the public, then I think it's fit that there's no reasonable expectation to privacy when I'm surfing the internet.

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Carnelian -2 points 3 years ago

If you aren't willing to eat ads, and you aren't willing to be the product, and you aren't willing to pay a subscription, then why do you think you're entitled to content?

You’re overthinking things. I click one button once and I never see ads, for years at a time without needing to tweak it at all. This is also completely free to set up and completely legal.

The fact of the matter is that this technology exists, and they can do nothing to stop it. Despite this, they continue to rely on the ad supported model. Curious, no?

then why would they want to spend money serving you for free?

Because if I post a link to a video and as a result someone sees an ad —or better, signs up for premium—then boom, they just made a profit. There is of course a critical threshold of adblockers where this no longer works but we’re not near it yet so they won’t change their revenue model.

Note: I am not taking a moral high ground here, just pointing out how it works. Yes, you are subsidizing me, thanks for that.

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fugacity 3 points 3 years ago

Well, the devil is in the details. People like you, who has actually figured out how to use an adblocker properly for YouTube, and me, who is willing to actually pay for YouTube premium (you're welcome for the subsidy), surely form a small proportion of the actual number of YouTube content consumers.

Maybe I'm wrong, but my view is that the majority of users just want to watch videos without having ads and they aren't willing to devote time (for adblockers) or money (for subscription services) and are completely ignorant that they are the product regardless. And those users act like they are entitled to content and that leaving YouTube is somehow significant to the big picture.

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icepuncher69 6 points 3 years ago

No ofence but if thats your pov on the situation (a very valid one btw) you would be better of subscribing to youtube premium. You suport them directly, and dont really get the short end of the stick on mobile like evryone else that isnt paying or isnt a power user. They still colect your data incluiding browsing and watching habits, but you wont get bombarded with terrible ads and get some nice perks as a plus.

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Critical_Insight 5 points 3 years ago

Agreed. I'll fuck around with the workarounds for as long as they work but once YouTube truly manages to make adblocking a complete headache I'll just switch to a Indian ip-address and buy a cheap premium. I've been watching tens of thousands of hours of ad-free content on that site for as long as it has existed. I can't, with a straight face, complain about the fact that they would like to make some money from it too.

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Jordan117 1 point 3 years ago

I'll just switch to a Indian ip-address and buy a cheap premium

I've thought about doing this, but worry about it fucking up my recommendations, which I'm actually pretty happy with. Do you know if that's an issue?

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Critical_Insight 3 points 3 years ago

I don't know, but I doubt it's an issue. Your recommendations are probably mostly based on your watch history and not location.

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coffinwood 1 point 3 years ago

Look at all the free image / video services that either never took off or went bust. Especially streaming is quite expensive and isolating only this single aspect of Youtube - cost to operate: what do people expect? Everybody wants few to no ads at all and no subscription either.

As I said, I don't want to even touch any other topic here like Youtube's (perceived) quality or their (spicy) business decisions. If you don't like the product, don't use it. There is no right to free consumption of entertainment videos. Imagine paying for a taxi like you (don't) pay for Youtube.

And if you know better, start your own platform.

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Engywuck 1 point 3 years ago

I think we attribute different meanings to the word "tragedy". Stuff such as tutorials and documentaries (and, you know, books...) have existed well before YouTube was even conceived and will exist after it disappears, not taking into account that 90% of YouTube is just clickbaity videos with the stupid "surprised face" thumbnail anyway. YouTube is given too much credit for what it is and it is frankly overrated as a source of reliable information.

The real tragedy is the unhealthy addiction to YouTube of such a huge amount of people seem to have developed.

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BReel 1 point 3 years ago

My problem is that I paid for YouTube premium, for “an ad free experience” in their words. Then I immediately had an ad for paramount plus embedded under my video.

So I canceled and they can go fk themselves. I was willing to support them directly, but they straight up lied about what I was buying from them.

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MonkderZweite 0 points 3 years ago

LBRY does.

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SmoothIsFast 122 points 3 years ago

So, stop using Chrome ffs, ublock and Firefox have zero issues

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jenniebuckley 89 points 3 years ago

YouTube: starts putting 2, sometimes even 3 ads that are often unskippable before and in the middle of 10 minute videos

Also YouTube: Why are people using adblockers?

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CrypticFawn 89 points 3 years ago

If you're on PC use Firefox with uBlock Origin.

For Android, Im personally using Libretube but using mobile Firefox with uBlock Origin also works.

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CapitanStrider 86 points 3 years ago

Ublock Origin literally works fine for youtube. If you ever receive a warning like this just clear your cache and refresh your filters.

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hunt4peas 82 points 3 years ago

PC: Install Firefox. Then install these extensions: Sponsorblock for YouTube, Enhancer for YouTube, uBlock Origins with all the filters turned on except the language filters (you can use them if you wish) and Return YouTube Dislike. Keep uBlock Filters updated by checking for filter updates once a day.

Android: There's Revanced. I use pre-built apks along with Vanced MicroG from RVX Lite in Telegram.

Android TV: Install SmartTubeNext.

Enjoy.

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Comfortably_Wet 79 points 3 years ago

Just to let you know, if you use uBlock you can expect it to adapt to this new shenanigan pretty quickly. Also I think €120/year are ridiciously overpriced. Ask me about €30/year and I might consider it for a second.

To be honest, I wouldn't mind ads on Youtube if they were less per hour and less obnoxious. But no, every 12 second video now has an ad leading to it.

Not to mention, if I would pay for every single Video service the usual 8-15€ I would pay like €1000 per year and THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Give me "pretty much everything" for €100 per year and we can talk. My offer stands.

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AlexisFR 76 points 3 years ago

You don't have a choice.

Also Ublock Origin on Firefox already bypass this.

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dynamojoe 74 points 3 years ago

When they take out uBlock Origin, they take me out as well.

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spudwart 53 points 3 years ago

If only peertube had the same culture as Lemmy and Mastodon.

But it feels like, imo, Peertube has fallen to the same pitfalls as other YouTube alternatives. 99% of vids I see on Peertube instances are far-right conspiracy theory videos among other obviously abhorrent content that would otherwise be banned on youtube.

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Rukmer 47 points 3 years ago

Newpipe is still working great, I haven't used an official interface in like 3 years.

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Polar 39 points 3 years ago

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WheatleyInc 34 points 3 years ago

They're begging for a direct competitor.

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K3zi4 34 points 3 years ago

Firefox + ublock origin is the way forward.

However, as a teacher, my school IT system default browser is chrome, and adverts on YT videos when you're trying to teach a lesson can really suck all the momentum and attention from the class.

Chrome allows you to save javascript as a bookmark URL called bookmarklets. I'm not so clued up on java, but I found this code that zips through the adverts super quickly. Someone can probably improve on this;

javascript: var v = document.querySelector('video'); var t = 16; v.playbackRate = parseFloat(t)

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pewgar_seemsimandroid 33 points 3 years ago

ublock, revanced, newpipe and more

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Metal_Zealot 32 points 3 years ago

Ohhhh how I wish my favorite youtubers would create their own Peertube instances...
They'd have complete control of their own content, and any donations could go directly to them.

I know it's kind of a pipe dream, but let me dream dammit.

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WhipTheLlama 31 points 3 years ago

I hate ads as much as anyone and have been blocking them for almost as long as ad blockers have existed. I still acknowledge the fact that ads are the primary revenue source for a lot of things on the Internet, and I selectively enable them for content I want to pay for.

How do you think Youtube is supposed to survive without ads or subscriptions? When they puts ads on their site, the unsaid agreement is that you exchange your ad views for their service.

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MonkderZweite 31 points 3 years ago

Route to 0.0.0.0 instead, localhost gives a delay while zero just fails.

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locuester 31 points 3 years ago

I enjoy watching YouTube with no ads so I bought premium. I actually bought the family one and share it with 4 others. Personally, I find it to be a great deal.

I also pay for extra storage (even tho I have a nas) because it’s convenient to have.

I’m a pirate at heart, have a 3k movie library on Plex and use nefarious to queue download, and I’m a long time crypto nut so I understand privacy and sticking it to the man.

But I also find great quality of life improvements by simply paying fair prices for good content 🤷‍♂️

It’s a fun hobby to try and dodge ads and steal and stick it to these companies. But really can be time consuming and gets old (it did at least for me when I got old).

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Tangent5280 29 points 3 years ago

I haven't seen so many shills in one place since the Russian special military operation began.

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viralJ 28 points 3 years ago

The new word for "whitelisted" is "allowlisted"?

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ahah 27 points 3 years ago

ublock origin + Firefox still works. try open ublock origin dashboard > Filter lists then click the purge all cachess button

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ICastFist 26 points 3 years ago

If you're on a browser, use invidious - https://api.invidious.io/

If you're on android, use NewPipe - https://f-droid.org/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/

Fuck google with the entire alphabet and their graveyard of ideas

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nucleative 24 points 3 years ago

Ad blockers are an existential threat to Google. They are - at the core - an ad company.

RIP

And nothing was lost...

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lath 24 points 3 years ago

uBlock Origin is quite apt in not showing any of that. I am thankful for the creator's attentiveness.

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buzz86us 23 points 3 years ago

I've literally never gotten any message like that I've been using a blocker forever.

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Adalast 22 points 3 years ago

Script blocking > Ad Blocking. Block all of the tracking scripts, all of the ad-aware stuff, disable redirects and scripts embedded in the ad frames, bypass script-based paywalls, etc. It is a pain in the ass to go to a new site and have to figure out who the 20 domains are that are trying to load scripts, but finding those tracking fuckers and hitting "distrust" is so satisfying. I swear that any ads I do see are so all over the map because nobody knows who the hell I am and I like it that way.

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lud 22 points 3 years ago

How does one quit YouTube?

There is just so much stuff on there and no alternative.

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chemical_cutthroat 22 points 3 years ago

I'll play devil's advocate here... Ads pay revenue. Revenue pays for the service. The service pays content creators. I'm not saying Youtube is perfect, but adblocking, or using alternate front ends, hurts the content creators first. Youtube Premium gets rid of the ads, pays the content creators more, and gets you a spotify-type music streaming service as well. I'm not trying to shill, but the deal is pretty fair, it's only $3 more than spotify, and you get 0 ads on youtube as a bonus. If you really don't want to see and you don't want to pay for it, then please, don't use the service. Youtube still gets data from you, even if you block ads. You want to hurt them, then do it the right way. Blocking ads hurts the creators more than anyone else.

Edit: Every day I am reminded of how many people believe they are owed everything for free.

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Zellith 47 points 3 years ago

I'll start giving a shit about youtubes bottom line when youtube starts caring about the creators bottom lines. Youtube fucks creators so god damn hard.

Just look at this for example' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-QtwGfILTo

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chemical_cutthroat 11 points 3 years ago

Jesus Christ, man. I said Youtube isn't perfect. It's a fucking corp. They should burn the board of directors at the stake. HOWEVER, creators still rely on payment from them.

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Fades 11 points 3 years ago

And???????? Nobody owes anybody a fucking ad view. If you like the channel there are many ways to support most if not all.

Patreon, other donation venues, shit even fucking memberships on or off YT. You say you aren’t shilling yet you desperately want their ad campaigns to continue pushing forward?

You don’t have to give YT any data, look at Piped and other alts

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SuperSpruce 8 points 3 years ago

And the creators know how Google could pull the rug at any moment. This is why they also have sponsorships, which is a more stable revenue stream not dictated by Google's greedy whims.

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NENathaniel 1 point 3 years ago

Okay it's clearly imperfect but I don't see other similar platforms doing any better (most are doing much worse, e.g TikTok/Twitch)

A decentralized alternative would be nice but, I don't see many ad-block users out here donating their own $ to these projects

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Honytawk 0 points 3 years ago

That is because Google just buys up any competition they can.

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BolexForSoup 18 points 3 years ago

hurts the content creators first

Ehhhh I’m not so sure. Adblockers don’t stop on-air reads, for starters. I’m not saying you’re entirely wrong but I’m also not sure it’s impacting the creators as much as it impacts YouTube’s vacuuming our telemetry data.

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Nougat 6 points 3 years ago

Adblockers don’t stop on-air reads, for starters.

And you know what? I watch on-air reads, when they're good. Simon Whistler does a great job, so does Aging Wheels, and Jay Foreman, and a bunch of others. You want me to watch an ad, all you have to do is make it entertaining. That's clearly possible, because some people do it.

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chemical_cutthroat 5 points 3 years ago

That's where everyone gets ad data wrong. Youtube doesn't really care if you watch an ad or not. The ad buyers do, and so Youtube keeps them happy by doing things like disallowing adblockers, but Youtube doesn't give a shit about BolexForSoup. Your age, your sex, your location, and the last time you upgraded the Macbook you are logging onto their site with, that's what they want to know. They want to sell your data, not you. They will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to the pile and sell the whole pile. No one will care who you are. You are the product, and Youtube just needs to make sure your ingredient label is correct.

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ripcord 6 points 3 years ago

They charge ad buyers per imoression. They care if you see and especially if you click on the ad.

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BolexForSoup 5 points 3 years ago

Exactly. And I like to keep it as opaque as possible! If a creator does an ad read, I watch it. Idgaf.

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Gargleblaster 4 points 3 years ago

Look at what you're defending.

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chemical_cutthroat 6 points 3 years ago

I'm not defending anything, I'm stating fact.

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snooggums 11 points 3 years ago

I liked youtube more back when it was random personally created videos, not 'creators' making commercial content pretending to be run out of someone's basement.

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stardust 6 points 3 years ago

Yeah, my favorite YouTube content has been the type that are just random uploads from people who don't even post frequently or ever again, and just sharing something because they thought it was cool along the vein of reddit and lemmy. So doesn't have that whole artificial production vibe and intentionally lengthened videos with begs for likes and so on, since there was no monetization motive to begin with.

Crappy thing is that those type of videos are suppressed and hidden by the algorithm that pushes the big channels to the top in searches. YouTube really pushes the personality/influencer driven content for obvious reasons, but it's why I haven't really fallen into the YouTube hole of endlessly watching it.

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Neve8028 3 points 3 years ago

There's still an enormous amount of great content on youtube. You don't need to watch the commercial shit.

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snooggums 1 point 3 years ago

I know, but there is more crap to filter out and fewer opportunities to stumble across little gems.

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Honytawk 3 points 3 years ago

That is just because there is a whole of a lot more content.

There are even more little gems out there now than we did before.

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Neve8028 1 point 3 years ago

Idk I never had issues with that. My recommendations are pretty good and relevant generally.

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insomniac_lemon 5 points 3 years ago

I would say that ads like YT's are the kind that pushed adblockers into being popular. Well, that and redundant/audio/popups ads that are annoying. Sometimes I turn off the adblocker and generally it's an immediate mistake.

I know it wouldn't be a large portion of content (though having control over the final look could widen the appeal), but I think Google could've gotten vector content supported in HTML5 spec (in collaboration with software, and maybe some kind of automated conversion to hybrid video) and thus supported on YT. It can be significantly less data for high-fidelity visuals, and unlike rendered video it's the same data for 720p as it'd be for someone with a 16K monitor or whatever in 20+ years from now.

Actually reducing costs in this manner would probably be too generous to competitors, just as Flash being killed off was good for YT. AV1 does help, but is still likely a big resource cost to store/serve at 4K+ (or just in general) not to mention re-encoding hardware and knowledge needed.

Kinda just like how WEBGL tech didn't actually include a container format (the reason why so much Flash content was easily archived by normal people) as it does not benefit content hosts to allow downloads (even if it'd lower cost of repeat viewings particularly by users who don't actually provide the host with revenue).

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Fades 4 points 3 years ago

This is why you don’t use YouTube at all and use Piped or similar services.

Fuck YT and fuck their strong-arming ad bullshit.

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wildginger 3 points 3 years ago

Youtube gets free content that it has full rights to use however it likes. Google takes that free content and uses it everywhere on the internet, to make fistfuls of cash. The ads are just bonus garnish.

I really dont care about youtubes bonus garnish, no matter how hard you "totally arent shilling, guys!"

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Dax87 0 points 3 years ago

yousay free but none of the operations and technology that support the possibility to even receive and globally distribute that content along with the plethora of features are free, nor free to run.

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wildginger 0 points 3 years ago

Oh no, what?? Youtube has to pay to keep the thousands of free hours of content it harvests daily??? Oh gosh, why didnt you say so? God forbid there be upkeep costs for being given content worth literally millions of dollars in entertainment value, production cost, and overall manhours absolutely scott free!

Oh side note, did you know of all the areas of tech, data compression and storage have progressed as one of the fastest? You can fit a terrabyte and more into a card the side of your pinkie, with no loss of quality or information.

Gee wizz, I wonder if the largest company on the internet who makes money not really by running ads but actually by scraping and selling user data knows about that?

Crocodile tears, dude. No one gives a shit about the upkeep costs, google will happily pay the pennies it costs to maintain in exchange for more user data patterns they can sell. The ads are a garnish to buff out the yearly portfolio.

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Dax87 0 points 3 years ago

You should educate yourself on the topic. theres really more to it than "how much storage can fit on an sd card." operating at the size and scope of youtubes database and userbase really is a challenge and considering how smoothly youtube runs for the most part isnt "pennies" worth of operating cost

Plus, its already known from their earnings reports that youtubes profit mostly comes from ads

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Draugr 1 point 3 years ago

Its not free. They harvest your data and sell that. Ad revenue is secondary. And all of this is ran by the most powerful company in history. Adblock doesnt even put a dent in Google's profits. And content creators? Ad revenue is basically dead now that YT is pushing for child friendly content. And they make millions in corporate deals and have patreons and direct donations in addition to being able to work a stable job in addition to making videos.

This isnt being "owed" anything. Im already paying with my privacy.

And even if I wasnt already paying, fuck Google. Evil company that more than deserves loosing the $0.02 my ad viewership would have earned.

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atetulo 1 point 3 years ago

Every day I am reminded of how many people believe they are owed everything for free.

Not really. Youtube is already profitable. They're trying to test if people's standards are low enough for them to make even more profit.

The fact you think this equates to 'owed everything for free' just shows me what a proud rube you are.

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chemical_cutthroat -1 points 3 years ago

Fuck off.

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atetulo 1 point 3 years ago

I guess it's true what Mark Twain said. It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he's been fooled.

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chemical_cutthroat -1 points 3 years ago

It’s easier to fool a man than to convince him he’s been fooled.

And it's easier to believe an idiom is true if you believe someone famous said it. I think Wayne Gretzky came up with that one. Maybe it was Micheal Scott.

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Iceman 0 points 3 years ago

You're expresing the most common opinion in the thread. Your not a devils advocate especially when you start to whine openly about replies that have differing opinion than your own.

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chemical_cutthroat 1 point 3 years ago

No one is whining. Second, I said I was playing devil's advocate because no one else had responded yet, and I was responding directly to OP.

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ChunkMcHorkle 0 points 3 years ago

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Etterra 21 points 3 years ago

NewPipe on Android works to block that shit just fine. As for Firefox, adblockers still work just fine. Once again, good luck Google lol

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Rolder 21 points 3 years ago

Odd, I have uBlock Origin and it’s blocking the ads without any pop ups or angry messages

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jabathekek 21 points 3 years ago

I just tried it out, watched three videos (one was 49 minutes) and nothing. I use Firefox with NoScript and U-Block (also Enhancer for Youtube, but I doubt that's relevant). I wouldn't have know this was happening if no one posted about it.

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Critical_Insight 20 points 3 years ago

I got this notification today for the first time. I cleared the catche on my filter lists and it seems to have solved the issue - for now.

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TechAnon 20 points 3 years ago

Hear me out: Google makes money by selling ads. People who buy from those ads don't have an adblocker installed. People who are intelligent enough to block ads wouldn't buy from them anyway. If Google allows it to be too easy to block ads then their model collapses. I'm ok with jumping through a couple hoops to continue to block and Google doesn't lose anything while I get to still watch the content I like without wasting anyone's time. It's to Google's benefit to serve videos to only people who will actually buy that crap anyway. If Google or anyone wants to sell to me, they simply have to make a great product. If they do, I'll see it in use for it's intended purpose and buy it. For example, I didn't have to watch any ads to buy a Nintendo Switch years ago...

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SocialMediaRefugee 20 points 3 years ago

You WILL watch the Grammarly and Liberty Mutual ads. Just like the movie scene in A Clockwork Orange.

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sic_semper_tyrannis 19 points 3 years ago

Try using FreeTube

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scarabic 19 points 3 years ago

Or you can pay them $$$

I use it between half an hour and two hours every day. And I can afford it. So this is what I do. It’s worth far more than Netflix to me.

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linearchaos 19 points 3 years ago

I see a lot of people saying X and Y are safe. Eventually nothing will be safe. All they have to do is require login to view content. Make login require CC or SMS then enforce a ratio of content played over time.

Price wise, they're just insane. It's all B-Rate content for more then the price of any other streaming service.

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dangblingus 18 points 3 years ago

You don't know how to use ublock origin so you're abandoning the most useful and entertaining platform on the entire internet?

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flossdaily 17 points 3 years ago

I use YouTube for tutorials, education, and entertainment all the time. And YouTube music is how I listen to all my music.

I've been paying for the YouTube premium version for my family since day one.

Recently they took away my grandfathered-in pricing. It really costs me a ton of money.

But I remember that I'm keeping ads off my screens, my parents' screens, and my kids screens... And we all use YouTube music all the time.... So...

Yeah, a lot of money, but honestly, probably the best subscription I have.

I could never go back to ads.

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vitor_sk0n 17 points 3 years ago

What country are you from? I use Ublock Origin + Malwarebytes on MS Edge and haven't seen any warning like that

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Prethoryn 16 points 3 years ago

I either pay to use the app or I get ads that pay for the platform to continue being used but I don't want to see the ads so my ad blocker blocks the ads.

A company is going to continue making revenue. I don't know why anyone is shocked by a company that makes ads changing a site to ask you to view more ads. Genuinely baffled that users waste their time complaining about something a big trillion dollar company owns and actively runs changing their platform to continue making them trillions of dollars then getting on here and going, "take that Google I am fed up."

Meanwhile, I have just been paying for YouTube premium with no ads supporting the content creators I love and moving on with my life.

EDIT: These comments are why Lemmy isn't growing.

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TheSanSabaSongbird 16 points 3 years ago

It should be "So long YouTube and thanks for all the fish." Goddammit!

If you're going to borrow from Douglas Adams, at least get it right.

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uis 16 points 3 years ago

This calls for DEFCON enshittification talk

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Swarfega 15 points 3 years ago

I dual boot and in Windows they are blocking me now. In Linux, I am not seeing the message. So it's not IP based. I run Firefox in both instances.

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Omega_Haxors 15 points 3 years ago

The enshitification of youtube is complete. Nothing stopping them from just upping the rate and duration of ads to the stratosphere.

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cypherpunks 14 points 3 years ago

i've still never seen this message outside of a screenshot; ublock origin in firefox (including tor browser, just need to hit the new circuit button sometimes) still works fine as of today. and so does yt-dlp.

the fact that some ad blockers are seeing this is a bad sign though :(

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MonkderZweite 14 points 3 years ago

Copy URL, alt+F2, mpv 'paste URL'.

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Sleestak_Chaka 14 points 3 years ago

I use FreeTube on my desktop and Newpipe on my GrapheneOS Pixel 7, I don't see any ads or graphic overlays. The family uses AppleTV and the YouTube app is a horrible experience with the amount of ads, even for a 3 minute video. Future project is to look into Pihole or something to block ads at the router level.

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Maddie47 14 points 3 years ago

I use SmartTubeNext on a Fire TV and it works fine.

It even skips over in-video ads.

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jjjalljs 14 points 3 years ago

Sometimes I forget people like watch YouTube on purpose. I pretty much exclusively use it for music that's not on Bandcamp, short clips of old shows, and the occasional guide for something that's too visual to be described well in words.

Old man out of the loop, yells at clouds.

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Boiglenoight 13 points 3 years ago

Is it enshittification, or how the Internet should work for commercial services? Youtube isn't publicly funded. You either pay for the product or become it in exchange for use.

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JackbyDev 13 points 3 years ago

Web ads are ableist.

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zepheriths 13 points 3 years ago

I will let you know but I haven't have issues with ad blocker on PC yet

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sin_free_for_00_days 12 points 3 years ago

As soon as I have to see ads, I'm gone. Not mad, I get the business need for them. It's just not worth it for me. Most of my actual subscriptions are through a rss reader, and that effectively blocks all but the sponsorblock ones. For which I have sponsorblock.

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Amends1782 12 points 3 years ago

Use Invidious while it still exists as a project I'm a fan of the yewtu.be instance. Pretty reliable. The Piped project is good as well. Don't even use the YouTube domain at all, hate giving them analytics and site usage info nevermind ads

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Jikal 12 points 3 years ago

I finally bit the bullet and switched from Chrome to Firefox last night after they flagged my adblock for YouTube as malware and forcefully disabled it. Fuck that noise.

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simonced 12 points 3 years ago

Here is my take on this.

First, I am with OP on this, but with mild counter points:

I block ads because they are intrusive, contain scam and viruses
I don't want to pay YT because I am already the product, and my trust is long gone about them saying they respect my privacy
"Hosting is expensive" is what we hear left and right but...
- letting people upload many hours long is not what YT was supposed to be,
- 4K vids and up are huge, so is HDR, do we really need such fat video files/streams? I don't...
- for those who need 2000inch TV size quality, yeah, they want to charge those.
I would be OK to pay, but google will rise the price eventually and it feels like changing a contrcat I signed to begin with and I dan't agree with that. (price raising reason are the previous points above, I am not concerned by those and I don't see why I should pay that much)
I am a google pixel user, google already got some of my money anyway, which I am happy with.

In the same vein, I wait Netflix to raise their price again (I bit the bullet twice) but there won't be a third time.
Same for Spotify.

Those services should realize they are not essential, just bare useful, and should be priced as such.

Just my 2cts.

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Kepabar 12 points 3 years ago

Hasn't happened to me yet, but I know it will.

Sucks; but to be honest most of the YouTube things I watch have been moving off YouTube for awhile anyway.

First Reddit, now YouTube. This year is a year of change for my Internet habits.

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NENathaniel 5 points 3 years ago

The bullshit Reddit & Spez pulled is a lot worse than forcing ads on YT imo

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BolexForSoup 2 points 3 years ago

I’ll only use YouTube so long as freetube is still operational.

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mynona 2 points 3 years ago

Funny you mention it but some of the highlight videos I've been following for years have moved off YouTube this year. I've been using the site less because of that. From what the creators of the videos say, they're getting hit constantly with bogus copyright claims and YouTube does nothing to protect their content.

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Ashelyn 12 points 3 years ago

Something I don't think anyone is talking about is that, if this is now considered a ToS violation, Google will probably decide at some point to start banning accounts over it. Oh, you use adblock? Now your email, Drive documents, and photos are gone.

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DuncanIdaho 11 points 3 years ago

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Professorozone 11 points 3 years ago

Thank you for mentioning the overlay blocker. Never heard of it. I was just on YouTube today and haven't seen this. Are you in the US? I feared this day would come. Not sure what I'll do.

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EvilLootbox 11 points 3 years ago

FYI if you delete your watch history, then watch one video, you can pause it again and get a proper homepage. Just don't clear that one video. I just clicked on a DJ set from someone I liked three weeks ago as that one video and it hasn't broken again since.

I switched to Firefox a few years ago when Chrome started forcing HDCP, my uBlock hasn't been affected at all in the most recent changes.

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ngn 11 points 3 years ago

just use frontends like invidious - for mobile there are tons of apps for these frontends, i recommend newpipe if you dont care about shitty recommendations

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Fredselfish 10 points 3 years ago

YouTube is straight up evil. We need an alternative solution.

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Chozo 15 points 3 years ago

Any alternative that hopes to last will need to be a paid service.

At which point, it's not really an alternative at all anymore.

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parpol 7 points 3 years ago

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NENathaniel 3 points 3 years ago

If only even 5% of people were actually going to donate

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pewgar_seemsimandroid 1 point 3 years ago

i donate very tiny amounts

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Deemo 9 points 3 years ago

Silly question if you don't mind me asking, when you got the pop up:

Which browser/adblocker where you using (also did you use any custom filters)?
What device are you watching youtube on when you saw the block (windows, macos, ios, android, linux)?
Where are you located? (like which country)

I never saw these popups just curious.

Also my setups using a web browser (no issues):

(Mac OS Soma) Firefox Stable with ublock origen stock filters
(iPadOS 17) with adguard safari content blocker stock filters

Setups with third part clients (no issues):

Revanced android
Smarttube (Fire TV)
YTLitePlus (iPadOS)

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Destraight 9 points 3 years ago

My Ublocker works fine, and I have never seen this message come up

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ryannathans 9 points 3 years ago

Use an alternative front end like https://piped.video

You may want to try various instances (in preferences) as the main one has been under a lot of load

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histy 8 points 3 years ago

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WhateverWorks 8 points 3 years ago

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FeelThePower 8 points 3 years ago

you can use ReHike to get the 2017 layout back which does not have this issue, combined with uBlock origin.

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zwaetschgeraeuber 8 points 3 years ago

tbf i changed my mind recently as i paid for spotify but had yt vrevanced and st next. but after thinking about it, i switched the family subscription from spotify to youtube premium as it has both youtube and music while 5 out of 350 songs are missing for the same fucking price.

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Kualk 8 points 3 years ago

I stopped using YouTube at least 3 years ago. When they changed discovery algorithm to show me the same videos.

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Grant_M 7 points 3 years ago

You have to build a sub list with FreeTube, but it's well worth it. There's an import from youtube feature, but I haven't been successful in making it work.

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possiblylinux127 7 points 3 years ago

You could just start using a frontend like the rest of us

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skymtf 7 points 3 years ago

honestly at this point I don't even understand using the normal youtube front end anymore. I have been using piped as my youtube app on my phone for a while, and I think it's time I switch frontends. What sucks is video is one of the few things we don't have a decent way of federating right now just due to the sheer volume of disk space required.

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arokan 7 points 3 years ago

AdGuard with Firefox still works for me, I hope it stays that way.

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isotope 6 points 3 years ago

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mesamunefire 6 points 3 years ago

peertube is pretty great....just sayin.

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nyakojiru 6 points 3 years ago

I’m still surprised what platforms make money WITH the content that USERS make , charge or restrict USERS view. It’s kinda crazy model that people accepted for so many years. For one side this is good because it will make users to reconsider what they do and how they corporations make money from it. Google money model has a date of death.

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Smokeydope 5 points 3 years ago

good for you to go to such lengths to get their crap out of your life. I suggest odysee/lbry and various peertube instances

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knobbysideup 5 points 3 years ago

They could always make actual relationships with advertisers and host ads on their own site. And make it not interfere with the content itself. Difficult concept, I know.

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Tischkante 5 points 3 years ago

YouTube messed up by not being a paid only service first and later offering an advertisement supported free tier. That way around, they'd be celebrated.

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Usernameblankface 5 points 3 years ago

I just got this for the first time today. I was able to dismiss it and go on to watch ad blocked YouTube on Firefox, but I wonder how much longer this will be an option. Nebula and Curiosity Stream are looking really good right now.

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SasquatchBanana 5 points 3 years ago

What browser was this on?

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DoucheBagMcSwag 5 points 3 years ago

So with this known…when do you think YouTube will start banning accounts or giving out account strikes?

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dynamo 5 points 3 years ago

fish? what fish?

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Heavybell 4 points 3 years ago

Wait, what's Youtube History?

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desmosthenes 4 points 3 years ago

oh no think of the children - piped bot - run!

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superduperenigma 4 points 3 years ago

Last month, they required you to turn on Youtube History to view the feed of youtube videos recommendations

I see this as an absolute win!

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0Xero0 4 points 3 years ago

I just got this popup today too, but only in Brave, it doesn't show up in Firefox and LibreWolf at all and I use uBlock Origin for all of them. Looks like it's just a Chromium thing. I mainly use Firefox anyway, I only use Brave as a music player at work because I have too many FF tabs opened in 3 windows already.

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Selkie210 4 points 3 years ago

Is there anyway to block ads if you are watching YouTube on consoles/ps5/xbox?

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IndefiniteBen 3 points 3 years ago

Hopefully I don't get this! I only started using an ad blocker on YouTube in the last year or so when the amount of ads became too much.

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kzhe 3 points 3 years ago

You weren't on Piped or Invidious already? /hj

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Xylight 3 points 3 years ago

While I believe that this may be a hostile decision, it was inevitable. A lot of YouTube's revenue comes from ads. Use piped or something

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Reverendender 3 points 3 years ago

It’s working perfectly in Safari, loaded up with ad blockers and Vinegar. I’m streaming ad-free tropical 4k jungle sounds from my Mac Mini as we speak.

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Hovenko 3 points 3 years ago

SOLUTION:

just right click on the message and 'block element' :D

or paste this to your filters: www.youtube.com##tp-yt-paper-dialog.ytd-popup-container.style-scope www.youtube.com##.opened

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jimmydoreisalefty 3 points 3 years ago

Use alternative yt front ends? YT Vanced, PipePipe, YMusic, and so on...

Firefox with exentions or on PC?

I have not seen any of this on my end, my IP does get blocked though, I just change it.

I wonder how they are rolling it out.

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Alimentar 5 points 3 years ago

I reckon they're rolling it out bit by bit. So as to not upset everyone at once. Though I feel there'll be a work around anyway.

This will just get us to take that one extra step. I know so many people that have never heard of ad block! And this is going to affect those that will stop at ad blocking extensions and give up when that doesn't work.

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Fades 4 points 3 years ago

Exactly. Meanwhile in this post there are people begging others to turn off Adblock and sub to YT premium for creators sake lmao

As if handing Google your money helps creators, nobody owes anyone a damn ad view let alone multiple unskipables

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jimmydoreisalefty 2 points 3 years ago

True.

Many will help the people they like with donations and other ways instead of helping Alphabet (google) and the like.

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possiblylinux127 2 points 3 years ago

I'd honestly get on board with services like nebula assuming they had support for third party clients.

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RalphFurley 4 points 3 years ago

Thanks to this comment I discovered F-Droid and downloaded PipePipe

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jimmydoreisalefty 1 point 3 years ago

You are welcome!

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Maddie47 2 points 3 years ago

Love a good Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy reference.

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Mio 2 points 3 years ago

If there was no browser workaround i wound use a third party client and possibly selfhost it for family. Hard to get away from Youtube itself. I wonder how many % of the users actually use any adblockinf tool

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Send_me_nude_girls 2 points 3 years ago

Once everyone views the ads, the view per ads value will drop and become worth less, no creator will ever get more money. As if YouTube will miss out and pass down their revenue to the small people, lol.

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Epzillon 2 points 3 years ago

After the History changes I switched to Grayjay.

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kilorat 2 points 3 years ago

I can't make it show that message. I tried both Chrome and Firefox with ublock. Do I need to use a different adblock to even see these warnings from youtube? I would like to verify this is true before sharing this information.

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fortniteplaya 2 points 3 years ago

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Annoyed_Crabby 2 points 3 years ago

Is there a reasom paying them is so bad? I can spit on Reddit because they basically freeloading from user generated content(or stolen content) and strongarm everyone into working for them, but at least Youtube allow their content creator to monetize their content, even though they sometime ban one stuff but not the other(one veritasium video got demonetized due to containing suicide in the story), so paying to remove ads in both youtube and music is kinda a win for me, so i'm not entirely sure why the hostility on this.

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frozencat 2 points 3 years ago

i wanna move to odysee but idk if there'd be any memes there

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LazaroFilm 1 point 3 years ago

On iOS I use uYou Plus loaded with SideStore. No ads, you can save videos and more.

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minemodapk 1 point 2 years ago

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kzhe 1 point 3 years ago

But I delete my history every 1 week instead of every 3 months. So they don't get much from my choices. It still did a pretty good job of showing me stuff I was interested in watching.

Why are you not using a Piped or Invidious instance?

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glowing_hans 1 point 2 years ago

this will be hard. google owns the most popular video-sharing website …

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Sprite 1 point 3 years ago

Ohh, I got that warning on Adblock Plus on Firefox just now as well. Gonna move back to uBlock and hope it works.

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dangblingus 1 point 3 years ago

Does YT recognize if you're using pihole?

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Prethoryn 1 point 3 years ago

YouTube: "Goodbye user we just got a new premium subscriber, thanks for all the fish."

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Heisenburner 1 point 3 years ago

I tried to watch a stream uploaded on YouTube and they put adrolls every 5 minutes, for a 3+ hour video. It was unwatchable. Sucks that pretty much every site is fucking over its users lately. Maybe it's a sign I should just get away from the internet for a while.

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itscozydownhere 1 point 3 years ago

Vinegar for Safari still works fine, it changes the player with a pure html5 one

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Clipboards 1 point 3 years ago

I have no idea how i'd replace YouTube in my life - sites like Reddit are one thing, but there is no current viable analogue to YouTube. Premium is pretty cheap for what it is - happy I made the decision to subscribe years ago

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notatoad 0 points 3 years ago

the battle between ad-blockers and ad-blocker-blockers is eternal. adblockers will adapt.

if i block ads, it's only fair that google tries to block my blocking of their ads. calling this "enshittification" is silly, they didn't make their product worse they just are doing a better job of enforcing the rule that's always been there.

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Porka_911 -1 points 3 years ago

As a premium subscriber for many years, I and my family really get value. I do pay in UAH though.

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h3rm17 -2 points 3 years ago

Sponsorblock. You are welcome.

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Guster -2 points 3 years ago

I mean, it makes sense no? They are a business after all. Why wouldn't they try to enforce their ads? I personally don't watch YT that much but why not just pay up if you need ad free experience? The content on YouTube is good because creators get paid well from ads

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Pressforcry -4 points 3 years ago

https://revanced.net/ (Android)

For windows or linux just use Brave browser.

No more ads, no more adblock detection.

You're welcome.

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Mango -5 points 3 years ago

Fuck them creators.

It's their choice to use the platform that abuses them and everyone else and their doing it because they're spineless in the face of that money crowd.

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drahardja -7 points 3 years ago

Here’s an interesting idea: pay for what you consume. We can argue whether ads or a YouTube Premium are a fair price, but I don’t think you’d have a moral or legal leg to stand on if your argument is that Google must provide you with hosting and streaming for free.

You are consuming resources on Google’s computers. I think they have a right to ask for payment.

To me, the ad tracking industry is completely out of control, and I’m not going to disable my ad blocker. So I signed up for YouTube Premium.

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LWJanniesRCucks -7 points 3 years ago

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deur -8 points 3 years ago

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cjthomp -9 points 3 years ago

Serving 4k video is not free.

If you refuse to pay for Premium and refuse to be served ads, what do you expect to happen? You're a freeloader.

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j4k3 -11 points 3 years ago

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TheRealKuni 18 points 3 years ago

Ads are illegal bullshit. I use a whitelist firewall not an ad blocker. Any company that can not host their entire service at a single address is no different than a business selling you stuff then telling you to go pick it up on the other side of town. Forcing people to connect to 3rd party sites is the most criminal bullshit possible. That is like the grocery store saying you can't get in the store unless you go to McDonald's and wait in line first. You don't have to purchase, you just need to wait in line or you can't get inside. Alphabet should be broken up. Not google, not YouTube, ALPHABET should have everything split up for antitrust

Oh boy. This reads like the deranged ravings of Methany from her trailer porch.

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j4k3 -13 points 3 years ago

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TheRealKuni 15 points 3 years ago

And you are the reason I am getting off Lemmy, for people that make uncalled for useless gaslight comments like this. This community has gone to absolute shit over the last two weeks.

I don’t think you know what the word “gaslight” means. It can join the list that includes “illegal” and “criminal” from your previous post.

Sorry the internet isn’t just people who agree with you on everything. I hope you find the bubble you’re looking for, I guess? Or that you grow up a bit.

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j4k3 -11 points 3 years ago

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Ottomateeverything 8 points 3 years ago

Any company that can not host their entire service at a single address

So like... Basically every website?

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DaPorkchop_ 1 point 3 years ago

Wait until they hear about DNS root servers

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Chozo 8 points 3 years ago

Ads are illegal bullshit.

I mean... they're not.

Any company that can not host their entire service at a single address is no different than a business selling you stuff then telling you to go pick it up on the other side of town.

That's just not how the internet works, though. And would actually break almost all address-based ad blocking, as well.

People who don't understand the internet shouldn't be giving advice on how it should operate.

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j4k3 -4 points 3 years ago

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Chozo 7 points 3 years ago

It is how a honest business works

Nope, it's how the internet works. At all.

If that means most of the internet does not work fine, I’ll keep my money.

YouTube isn't taking your money in the first place, though. Unless you're paying for Premium, in which case ads aren't really a concern then.

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SCB -13 points 3 years ago

Ads for YouTube keeps YouTube free and YouTube being free is good for everyone

Sorry you have to watch a 30 second grammarly ad every 45 minutes or whatever.

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somape9743 -16 points 3 years ago

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