Does anyone drink instant coffee anymore?
3 years ago by BarqsHasBite to c/nostupidquestions
For some reason I think of it as an older concept. Now Starbucks and coffee chains are popular.
Seinfeld on instant coffee https://youtu.be/uDrh5pujB9I?si=VdlVEREjMTNd2Bs7
Highlighting carlcook's advice:
dissolve in cold water, ONLY THEN add hot water. The rationale behind it is that aromatics evaporate too quickly when the instant powder is infused with too/boiling hot water.
I get the worst nausea whenever I drink something from a k cup machine. Nobody ever cleans their machine and the ingredients are questionable.
Yum, hot infected plastic
Ha, true in essence. But in practice that's a big machine. So does it taste different?
Actually now that I think about it, those still have grinds. Instant coffee is supposed to dissolve completely, right?
Instant coffee is actually freeze dried and yes should dissolve completely, while grinds will never just disappear in the water.
But then there's that.
A couple of weeks ago we went abroad and asked a friend of mine to watch our apartment because I had flowers that needed pollinating. In exchange he could stay at the apartment. Since he's a Ukrainian refugee who has to share a room with a questionable dude he gladly took me up on that offer.
Now, we are coffee snobs, my husband's youtube history is full of James Hoffmann. So we have a manual espresso press at home, a hand filter, a french press, two moka pots, and a senseo pad machine (for guests; our filter machine just broke).
When we came home, we found a can of instant coffee. Jacobs, to be precise, and everything in Ukrainian. Dude brought his instant coffee to our coffee infested place. Knowing that he has been here for a while and drinks a lot of coffee, I asked him how did this can last him so long. He got it imported. He freaking imported Ukrainian Jacobs instant coffee into Germany.
And then we start reading the can's text a bit more profoundly. It is a mix of normal instant coffee, i.e. freeze dried, with a bit of finely ground coffee mixed in. It does not dissolve completely. It takes ages for the grind to settle to the bottom. I don't know who thought this was a good idea. I don't know what the purpose is supposed to be. But they advertise it heavily on the package.
Also, I tried a cup and it does taste like shit but to each their own.
Tldr: instant coffee usually is freeze dried coffee that will dissolve completely but there are some unholy products designed by questionable people that contain real grind coffee for no reason.
Can you elaborate ?
It's supposed to be pressurised hot water through grinds, like espresso.
Nespresso machines are definitely pressurized and temp controlled. Keurig, less so.
I read something somewhere once (great source, right?) regarding Keurig temps, and they weren’t consistent or optimal. And the pressure is more like a hose with an attachment as opposed to a pressure washer.
Some K cups will empty out when you use them, too. From what I’ve run into, that’s typically the fancy flavor ones. But some are just coffee grounds that get a suboptimal water flow at suboptimal temps going through them.
Someone can correct me on what I’m remembering though.
Starbucks tried to modernize it with these little packets a few years back, under the name “Via”. The older brands still exist too, such as Nescafé, which, as a Nestle product, I assume is made from the blood of indigenous people.
The production actually is pretty cool really. They basically brew giant vats of coffee and then freeze dry it into a powder that can be easily rehydrated.
i bet the blood of indigenous people would taste better... not that im condoning such an aberration.
When you drink the coffee, you can really taste the iron deficiency.
The biggest difference is that starbucks via doesn't start with awful coffee.
Starbucks isn't good coffee compared to some fancy pants third wave coffee, but It's not nescafe either.
Freeze drying and rehydrating might not do anything to hurt coffee flavor, but it's not going to make bad coffee suddenly taste good.
I imagine there are tons of office workers, mechanics, construction workers, etc. who are drinking instant because it's impractical or impossible to have a coffee machine at work or in the field. I believe the vast majority of coffee vending machines also use instant coffee behind the scenes, so everyone who's ever gotten a cup of highway rest stop coffee was most likely drinking instant at least once. Ditto with the "cappuccino" machines at every convenience store and gas station on earth.
I carry instant coffee with me when I'm camping, because I can't be bothered to have to carry and more importantly clean any kind of coffee gadget.
I've seen 'em and I've used them in the past. They're a fine solution, but they still require cleaning and a couple of satchels of Taster's Choice or whatever is easier on the KP and also much smaller than a giant coffee syringe. Showing up at the pay-for-pitch in the station wagon is one thing, but usually all my stuff needs to either fit in my panniers or my backback.
There are guys I've hiked with who have them, though. To each their own.
I’m with you on this one, too. I prefer my jet boil and instant coffee (or matcha) compared to an Aeropress.
I interpret your mention of pre-ground beans as an item that is bought, but if you need fresh coffee on the go you can just pre-grind them for yourself and take them with you.
I personally have an electric coffee grinder so my pour over is done in about five minutes, then I let it cool and take it with me in a thermos. Though I also only drink 1, max 2 coffees a day.
Vacuum insulated hot drink containers are a thing, and work very well. That's what field workers use. Who has time or a device to boil water?
Every coffee vending machine I have ever used ground the coffee while you wait. Cappuccino machines are definitely a mix, though.
I just brew in my French press after dinner, pour some into a thermos after it's done, and store the rest in my French press in my fridge. The next day, I pour more into my thermos. I feel even old coffee tastes better than instant, but I understand that's my opinion.
Put a little salt in it! It helps a lot especially with the cheaper brands.
A tiny pinch of salt actually dulls the sharpness of a bitter coffee. Something something chemical reactions when salt mixes with coffee. Try it. It's great!
Based on experimenting with flavours but not this particular one yet, it doesn't hurt to try. Balancing the different flavour groups is an easy way to elevate meals (well, easy once you've calibrated your taste to be able to figure out what's "missing").
Just tried it and I'd say it's a positive difference, though I didn't spend much time searching for the "right" amount. With salt, I find it's better to err on the side of too little. Things tend to be ok with too little salt and yuck with too much.
It's for real. But make it a small pinch. You don't actually want to taste salt.
You do you I guess but... surely a good cup of proper coffee tastes less-shit and has more caffeine?
I drink both instant and real.
I drink french-press rocket fuel in the morning, a strong cap at lunchtime on office days, and I wouldn't compromise on either.
But afternoons at home, or in the evening... I dunno, it's just too much drama. I want something in the background that isn't going to make any demands on my attention. It's the equivalent of watching garbage TV at the end of a long day. You don't want hard-hitting incisive social commentary, you just want a couple episodes of Ow, My Balls.
I've found a brand that doesn't taste like toner; it's not real coffee, just Brown Drink. But it's entirely acceptable Brown Drink, and it does what I need it for.
What brand is it?
https://huckleberryroasters.com/...
That is legitimately good instant coffee. Given the price, I'd hope so. I take that camping.
It's Australian, so probably not much use to you, but this
You're right, I can't even access the site outside of Australia. However, if I'm ever in Australia - I'll look it up!
Huh, that's fucked up. Why the hell would a cheap-ass supermarket geoblock?
Fwiw, it's the equivalent to store brand premium instant coffee granules. Costco, walmart or aldi may have something similar.
Same. French press for work, instant for home where I don't know how long I can keep a given activity going.
It's a bit more common in the UK. Everybody's got 230v electric kettles practically in every room (/s) so having coffee that just takes hot water has extra appeal. I'm also lead to believe that their instant coffee is a bit better quality than what is common in the US.
this is so odd for me to read. instant coffee is treated like literal dirt over here. so the idea theres a good kind of drinkable dirt sounds hilarious.
UK here, and yeah, this is my experience.
I'll drink instant most days (right now in fact) and proper coffee when we have guests or if I'm not pushed for time.
Quality of instant varies wildly, but there's at least a few versions that are very decent indeed IMO.
I love coffee. I am a coffee snob. Instant coffee is easy to pack and travel with. If you have access to hot water it's still coffee which is better than nothing. If you don't have access to hot water then it's a tastier caffeine pill.
When camping, never otherwise.
I do. Almost always. And there are three main reasons for it.
(A) Hassle free prep. Hot water and stirrer, bam!
(B) No waste/by-products (e.g. filter, brewed coffee granules residue, blah blah) - so much less carbon footprint.
(C) A cup of instant coffee has slightly less caffeine content than the same cup of freshly brewed coffee. Good for me, because I have been a caffeine-addict, and trying to cut down now.
So I always try to go for Freeze-dried instant coffee ( especially Colombian, like Juan Valdez ), and not the Spray-dried shit.
Edit : I thank max and the OP for enlightening me about the instant coffee manufacture process. It surely appear that Instant coffee has a lot more environmental impact than simple ground coffee because of more processes involved. I have always consumed instant coffee, but were totally ignorant on this part. Dumb of me.
Thanks to the people directing me to the right way, and I will strike out my second point above.
so much less carbon footprint.
Bad news for you.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/...
Instant coffee has >2 times higher impacts and costs than ground coffee.
Based on the functional unit of 1 tonne of coffee produced, instant coffee has higher impacts and costs than ground coffee for both system boundaries because it requires double the amount of green coffee beans and 7–11 times more energy.
(B) No waste/by-products (e.g. filter, brewed coffee granules residue, blah blah) - so much less carbon footprint.
Not sure how you come to this conclusion. The waste is the same (if not more), just ends up somewhere else. Also, you're adding a whole extra process (freeze drying) requiring extra energy, and water needs to be boiled twice (during brewing and at home).
One of the best feelings in the world is a morning hike up the mountains, reaching a stopping soot and boiling some hot water for some tea/coffee.
Absolutely!
It’s portable, stores well, takes nothing more than a mug and hot water to make, and takes no longer to make than it does to heat the water.
Sure, I prefer good drip coffee or an espresso-based drink, but I travel a lot and often hotel room coffee sucks. Sometimes a decent insta-coffee works great to get you out the door.
I was recently on holiday where most of the other guests in our hotel were 50-70 year old Germans.
The breakfast buffet at our hotel had a large scale coffee maker which could do some surprisingly good freshly ground coffee. What it could also do is spit instant coffee into your mug and pour hot water on top.
In two weeks I never saw someone (other than me) draw anything but fucking instant coffee from that thing.
But why??
If only I knew...
It's too fast! Where you goin at that speed?
I like drinking really good coffee as much as I can, but I do not look down on a cup of instant from time to time. I have a jar at home for if I run out, and it's often the only option while traveling.
Coffee is coffee, and I like coffee.
I still do. Most of my coffee consumption is instant, but I am not particular about coffee so long it doesn't taste bad.
I do. Juan Valdez tastes amazing.
I used to because I am single and it didn't seem economical to brew a pot for one cup. Then I found out about the "4 cup" machines like the ones they put in hotel rooms.
Mr Coffee single cup machine, makes hot or iced, 1 cup at a time, its awesome! no more stupid pods
Same. Instant in the morning and a normal one with grounding beans in the afternoon.
Revenue in the Instant Coffee market amounts to US$30.3bn in 2023. The market is expected to grow annually by 5.03% (CAGR 2023-2028).
In global comparison, most revenue is generated in Japan (US$4,741m in 2023).
In relation to total population figures, per person revenues of US$3.95 are generated in 2023.
In the Instant Coffee market, volume is expected to amount to 1.6bn kg by 2028. The market for Instant Coffee market is expected to show a volume growth of 3.5% in 2024.
The average volume per person in the Instant Coffee market is expected to amount to 0.19kg in 2023.
I feel like it's 2 different market segments.
Starbuck and othes fancy coffee shop I am in town, look for clean toilets and wifi so I'd pay 10 € to get them
Instant I am camping, (and sometimes indoor without coffee machine) and want a coffee
In the UK it's still very common for people to have instant coffee at home. Companies will sometimes have their own fancy coffee maker (e.g. Nespresso) but not always.
Unless you work in tech, then the offices have £5k Italian espresso machines that only five people know how to operate.
Solely.
It's kinda like asking "why don't more Americans own electric kettles?".
UK: Kettle for tea. US: Coffee maker for coffee.
We generally drink more tea than coffee and so kettles became the norm. Some people do own their own coffee makers or cafetieres but it's less common. One is a nation coffee-drinkers and the other tea drinkers. Each has settled into using different machines and therefore different products.
I don't mind instant coffee and there are so many options. I get hired if I drink the same thing all the time. So some weeks I drink cold brew, some weeks I drink instant coffee, some week I drink iced and some weeks I drink tea. I alternate between different sources of caffeine pretty much every other week.
At night when the espresso machine is too loud
I did the same for a long time. Now I find the histamine bomb from instant coffee just makes me feel terrible so I grind coffee with a hand mill and use an aeropress if I'm making a cup in the middle of the night.
histamine bomb
Is this a you thing or have I not been drinking coffee long enough? Is there a science behind it but I don't understand? I just googled and found a bunch of stuff about coffee having histamine but most of the sites are less than authoritative. The NCBI article I found (I only skimmed a little) seemed non coffee specific but interesting. Gonna save to read later.
It's a me thing but it's fairly common in Europe as well. I've had histamine issues since my 20s but they got much worse in my late 30s so I'm careful about which coffees I drink now. Chocolate gets me too so I don't eat much of it anymore. Both reactions are much worse during allergy season when my histamine is already high, during the winter I tolerate both much better.
Like, not asking for medical advice but does taking antihistamines help? I've just been on monteleukast recently and also started drinking coffee recently. I'm curious if it's something worth bringing up with my MD next visit. I live in a pollen bowl tho so I'm not sure it has anything to do with the coffee my nasals were just kinda clogged for 10 years before I did anything about it.
I used to avoid instant coffee until I read this somewhere and tried it. It definitely changed my coffee game. The rationale behind it is that aromatics evaporate too quickly when the instant powder is infused with too/boiling hot water.
When you dissolve instant coffee directly into hot water, the amylum contained in the granules hardens, creating a powdery taste and consistency. By mixing the granules with cold water first, they dissolve more gently once introduced to hot water.
I found this technique makes for a richer and more flavourful coffee experience. Allegedly also because aromatics evaporate slower.
Ducks, now I have to try...
I only use it to make Dalgona coffee. Basically a tablespoon of crystals, tablespoon of sugar, tablespoon of boiling water. Whip it until its a really thick foam, almost like shaving cream, then you put it over some milk, ideally also lightly sweetened as the foam ends up really bitter without a shitton of sugar which I don't prefer to use.
put it over some milk?
oh. 'dalgona', I see.
Weird auto correct. Dalgona
You add MORE sugar after the tablespoon of sugar you already added???
My husband does. Nescafe. Though I make coffee each morning in a moka pot, fresh ground. He likes the instant coffee (and likes it much earlier than I make coffee).
I like coffee but not enough to like bad coffee.
I like it just fine. Used to drink it all the time at my old job. My current job actually has coffee in the break room as a perk, so now I drink that. It's still basic Folgers or whatever, but it's fine. Not every coffee needs to be fancy. Sometimes I just want a cup of joe.
Only when I'm backpacking in the wilderness, otherwise, it's fresh ground for me!
Starbucks and coffee chains are, you know, nowhere near my house, for one thing. How am I going to have coffee in the morning if I have to first leave my house and get a bus to where the coffee shop is, then get the bus home again and then go to work, or whatever?
Further, those places are EXPENSIVE AS HECC. The sort of people that can afford to buy coffee at those places every day sure do have it real nice.
For the rest of us, we make our coffee at home, and sometimes if we're lucky we get the cheap "real" grounds instead of the instant powder, haha
Huh, I've only used espresso powder for that, not instant coffee.
Espresso powder definitely has a better coffee flavor and I'd use that if allowed but instant still works well for quick work and light flavors. Always have some on hand for camping :)
I'm thinking about making coffee ice cream and I was going to make a coffee reduction for that flavor (I experiment a lot. If it doesn't work I still have ice cream) but this sounds like a much better idea.
In the army we used to get a pack of instant coffee with the afternoon meal. We rarely wanted to shit ourselves later in the bush, so, no. We'd save it for whomever was fucked with guard shift that night.
Please understand there is no hot water at night; no real water supply at all. We do not traipse about the boonies looking for a stream, nor do we make a fire so it can be seen for miles. We even hide the pips on our wristwatch.
Not since bush coffee have I had instant coffee. And if I die without having instant coffee again - even properly prepared - it will be too soon.
I keep it to make dalgona
What's dalgona?
Dalgona coffee is made by mixing equal parts of instant coffee, granulated sugar, and hot water. Here's a recipe on how to make it!
That looks awesome!
I remember back when I drank coffee, one little joint in town did espresso with sweetened condensed milk, which was how I started moving into just espresso... Good times, bad habits!
You can make a very nice (and strong) Dalgona with Cafe Bustelo instant coffee
Wow, that looks tasty!
I hadn't heard of this. Looks like they're using sugar to make that thick consistency. One recipe says 1tbsp coffee 1tbsp sugar 1tbsp hot water. That's a hard no from me.
It's not always about cost but convenience.
Got hot water? Add instant coffee and you're done.
And you can make hot water with just about anything. Most people use a microwave, I'm sure. But you could use a stovetop or hot plate, a camp fire, or even a tin cup over a Zippo if you really had to.
Dealing with coffee grinds got annoying. It’s also one of my first grocery store purchases when traveling.
Bonus points for instant iced coffee.
I’m a pour over die hard but have you tried aeropress? You can make a single cup very quickly and easily.
Pour over doesn't seem that popular in Australia. I mean I know it's a thing but I've never seen it or heard of anyone drinking it.
Here the at-home-coffee options go instant > french press > mocha pot > pods > espresso machine.
Where would pour over fit in here?
Not really, you can make "strong" coffee using any method.
I'm asking about the overall quality. On a scale of swill-drinker to intolerable-coffee-snob, who uses pour over ?
Yes, you do need the $40 brewer. And it’s best with fresh ground coffee so I’d recommend a burr grinder, but whatever pour over grind you use would work. https://aeropress.com
Don't you need their filters also ?
I don't drink coffee at all but I do live outside of the US. I have noticed that in MANY places in the world, instant coffee is the norm. It's not normal to see coffee beans in the grocery store at all really where I am now. I would have to go to a more upscale place or to a specialty spot to find whole or ground coffee.
Isn't that basically what a Keurig pod is? I think more people use instant coffee now than they did before those things existed. As much as Starbucks is popular, I still think most people make their own coffee at home.
My wife prefers it. It's fine with sweet creamer.
My father-in-law prefers it. I have pretty good coffee here at the house, not excellent, but pretty good 2nd wave stuff. He hates it and wants Folger's crystals. I use it when backpacking. I'm not carrying beans, a grinder, and an aeropress over a mountain. Fuck that.
Personally, not very much. I’m aware my personal experience doesn’t translate to universal truth, but I only know what it know.
I have a little bit of instant coffee around but it’s mostly for camping.
Day to day, I either drink homemade iced coffee, or regular coffee made in a pour over. Getting the iced coffee ready is as fast as putting some ice in a bottle and pouring the coffee. Even the pour over, which takes maybe 15 minutes total is still faster than the time spent going to a Starbucks, waiting in line, ordering, and waiting for it to be made.
To me, buying coffee is really only going to happen when I’m traveling.
I don't drink instant as my daily coffee, but I do use it for baking and cocktails. When you want coffee flavor in something without the grainy texture of coffee grinds, instant coffee is the best solution because it dissolves entirely. It's great for ice cream, frosting, coffee cake, coffee syrup, or anything else of the sort. I've also found that the quality of instant coffee has improved significantly over the years, so it does actually make a pretty decent cup of coffee in a pinch.
Yo dawg!
Ah yes, I love my coffee flavor coffee with a shot of espresso.
I do occasionally. I'm mindful of my caffeine intake, so if I really want a hot beverage and herbal tea doesn't cut it I can make up a light cup of coffee, or a mix of coffee and cocoa. I usually do this after I've had my coffee for the day or when I'm planning on having my regular coffee later than normal.
I do it when I'm too lazy to make espresso at home. I have some freeze dried quality coffee that mixed with oat milk or vanilla ice cream tastes really good but I also do 3in1 which is delish.
Instant coffee is becoming quite popular again thanks to tiktok. People are sharing many recipes and its big because it's very accessible and can taste good. Also people finally figuring out that there is some special prep involved like not burning the coffee etc.
I don't really get beverages elitism tbh it's all some weird nonsense we put into our water to entertain ourselves.
I do when I can't be arsed otherwise.
On a good day, I slowly simmer oat milk and water in two pans and Aeropress fresh-ground coffee to make something akin to a flat white.
Can't be arsed? Oat milk in a mug in the microwave for 1-2 min and a tablespoon of Medaglia De Oro instant espresso powder.
At least instant coffee makes sense in an economical way: it saves steps and time. what i don't get are filter coffee machines, the coffee they make is always horrendous.
Drinking some right now, try medaglia d'oro Espresso Instant Coffee. I also enjoy a few other brands, it's literally pre brewed coffee and then dehydrated, you can have shitty regular coffee and shitty instant.
I use it, because I have fibromyalgia. So it's easier sometimes to just press the button on the kettle to makes some coffee. When I'm doing well, I always make Turkish coffee, since it feels like it makes me clearer way faster than other coffee does.
Does everyone have a Starbucks in their home? Is everyone on large incomes?
The answer to both is no and no. Buying coffee is expensive and retail is at least a long way away for nearly all people. Instant is instant and cheap it will always have a place.
We keep a little on hand for coffeemergencies. Say the power's out and we don't have any ground, and we either don't want to start the generator just for the coffee grinder or are out of fuel or something. Or we're camping and didn't grind enough before we left. All this assuming we're out of The Good Tea because that'll do in a pinch. I've used it twice.
I have a 10 year old emergency stash.
Umm, is it still good?
As good as the day they bought it, i.e. complete and utter shit
Yep. And that's why it hasn't been touched in 10 years. We grind fresh coffee in this house. And none of that weak Drip shit either. Cappuccino strength only. Stove top moca pot.
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I don't normally drink coffee at all, but my parents still have a coffee maker, so they at least do.
I just go to coffee shops. I live in Seattle ffs (though I prefer the smaller and local shops, their food and coffee is more unique and tastes better, and they usually treat their employees way better than starbucks)
Life is sad, and there are fewer options, when you drink decaf. It's all I can get at work, while the big, sophiscated coffee machine, with all it's flashy buttons, is dedicated to grinding life giving caffeinated beans to the masses.
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