Lemmy resembles the old reddit experience so well that they even emulate the old reddit server performance

3 years ago by ThisIsJohnny to c/showerthoughts

Ghostalmedia 282 points 3 years ago

The big user experience problem is everyone is getting funneled into Lemmy.world and Lemmy.ml, and they can’t scare fast enough.

But Lemmy is federated. So signup for a smaller instance. You’ll still be able to subscribe and post to communities on other instances.

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kobra 82 points 3 years ago

Ha, I applied to two smaller instances and have heard nothing but radio silence. The smaller instances are of no help if they don’t let anyone in.

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OtakuAltair 82 points 3 years ago

Use and recommend lemm.ee, lemmy.one, and vlemmy.net to others

Seriously, stop recommending large servers when lemmy hasn't been optimized for that yet. The point of decentralization is spreading out and still being connected; let's not waste that advantage.

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bdonvr 32 points 3 years ago path: 0 739569 740236 741294 744923, hotness: undefined, score: 32, children: 0
hemmes 18 points 3 years ago

Where my VLemmy peeps at?!? 🙌

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gooddaytodayhere 9 points 3 years ago

Me!

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sogekingfisher 6 points 3 years ago

👋

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duck1834 3 points 3 years ago

Yo!

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ThatSandwichGuy 2 points 3 years ago

Aussie.zone

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NoRodent 15 points 3 years ago

Ok, but what if the instance I choose just ends suddenly? Do I understand it correctly that on each one I have to create a new account and re-subscribe to all the communities etc,?

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Coelacanth 20 points 3 years ago

That's correct though account migration is planned for some point in the future, or at least noted as a desirable feature by the Devs. Maybe even linking accounts across instances?

Having to resubscribe to all your communities is annoying but I imagine third party apps could streamline that process when they get released/refined.

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OtakuAltair 7 points 3 years ago

Aside from what Coelacanth said, those instances are no more likely to shut down than lemmy.world (I can't recall a Lemmy instance that's not for personal use ever shutting down); they've functioned just fine for years and have even been upgraded for the surge of users too

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Chickerino 6 points 3 years ago

well this just happened with vlemmy.net, i was affected by this and had to manually resubscribe to 50 communities and recreate one, because of this someone made a tool to download your data off of lemmy and upload it to another instance https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim

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favrion 1 point 3 years ago

But isn't this the main website? Why can't I use it?

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OtakuAltair 7 points 3 years ago

There is no 'main' website. It's all connected. People just started joining that because it's big and overloaded it, and now it's having federation and stability issues.

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Ghostalmedia 16 points 3 years ago

Fair point. Tye small one’s Re being hugged to death and aren’t letting any more people in, so people are gravitating towards the juggernauts, and the juggernauts are collapsing under their weight. 

Next couple weeks should be interesting

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HootinNHollerin 12 points 3 years ago
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Ullallulloo 7 points 3 years ago

My instance (civilloquy.com) has open sign-ups. ;)

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Undearius 6 points 3 years ago

When I first joined, I never got a confirmation that my account had been accepted. After a few minutes, I just typed the username and password I used during registration and I was able to log in.

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LemmyKnowsBest 1 point 3 years ago
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myxi 6 points 3 years ago

try mine.

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sab 4 points 3 years ago

I don't want to be locked in with a stelletje Nederlanders zoals ik.

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myxi 2 points 3 years ago

IDK what you meant by "locked with" but there is feddit.uk too.

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LemmyKnowsBest 1 point 3 years ago

Good for you. I'd been trying that for months with no success. Finally .world let me in last week.

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tatterdemalion 5 points 3 years ago

I started on lemmy.ml but it was unusable for the past few days. Today I managed to get into programming.dev pretty quickly and it has been smooth sailing.

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greenteadrinker 5 points 3 years ago

When I applied, I never got a notification that it got approved, but I could post and comment on that instance. So you might have been in a similar situation as me or the admins are still dealing with a large influx of people

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kobra 6 points 3 years ago

Oh wow you're totally right. I was just able to log into one that I had never heard from! Thank you, good call!

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S1L3NT_W01F404 1 point 4 months ago
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xintrik 31 points 3 years ago

Unless it defederates like beehaw keeps doing.

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Jane2187 8 points 3 years ago

What's going on with beehaw? I'm a bit out of the loop.

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lunarshot 45 points 3 years ago

Beehaw is a community that wants to create a specific type of experience for its users, it wants to create a safer space and has stricter rules.

I think it’s personally a non-issue that people get riled up about. They’ve temporarily defederated from lemmy.world because of the large spikes in new users and wanting to have the moderation tools necessary to handle that while keeping their community the way they want it.

There is a subset of new Lemmy users who think this experience needs to be Reddit 2.0, that it needs to be perfect and totally smooth for new users, or else it will fail?

Personally, I don’t agree. I don’t want Lemmy to be Reddit at all. In the last month, I’ve found that I didn’t realize just how bad my Reddit experience had become. I’m okay with the experience being a little rough around the edges here and adjusting together. It has become obvious based on how good my interactions were here. How solid and interesting the content was. I’m not fiending for my specific subreddits, I’m good to move on and find new areas to focus on the internet.

I have a separate account for Beehaw, all the iOS apps already have way way better functionality than the Reddit official app, I can seamlessly switch between accounts. It’s been absolutely amazing to see how much this site and experience has evolved in one month. I’m super excited for the future here.

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GregorGizeh 7 points 3 years ago

One thing I don’t miss is the "culture"… I hope this shift into the fediverse frees comment sections of the endless same dumb low effort puns, and even worse puns in the replies. Or fucking award speeches in comment edits, the same shitty jokes that nobody likes but somehow still perpetuate…

I really look forward to something new

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LachlanUnchained 6 points 3 years ago

I too like the rough around the edges. Little tricks and nuances I’ve picked up. Makes it fun.

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Ghostalmedia 29 points 3 years ago

All in all, they have some of the biggest communities for gay folks, Trans folks, and other minority groups. Lots of trolls from large open instances were shit posting lots of hateful crap in those communities.

The Lemmy’s mod tools are still kind of janky and they couldn’t keep pace with the toxic trolling, so they made the call to defederate from instances like Lemmy.world temporarily, until some new mod tools get built.

All the admins from the defederated instances get it and they all appear to be on the same page.

That said, users got pissed because beehaw has one of the best tech communities. So now people on Lemmy.world don’t have their posts / comments show up in those communities.

Basically, they had two shitty options, and they went with protecting the vulnerable minority.

It’s temporary.

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HobbitFoot 13 points 3 years ago

Beehaw defederated from other instances as users were getting around bans by creating new accounts on those instances. The admins in question are talking about how to address this.

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Dohnakun 2 points 3 years ago

Federating bans?

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cucumberbob 9 points 3 years ago

Post by beehaw admins

Basically, due to the size and open registrations on some large instances, Beehaw admins decided to defederate because they didn’t have the manpower or systems in place to deal with the large volume of content.

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pelespirit 2 points 3 years ago

I think I read that they have 4 people running everything and 2 aren't techy.

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hyperhopper -14 points 3 years ago
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ThoughtGoblin 18 points 3 years ago

Come on, let's be adults about it. Beehaw has always had stricter registration requirements, but didn't defederate until just now. The problem was that they simply don't have the tools needed to moderate such a huge influx of people from uncurated instances and it was interfering with the culture they prided themselves on.

I'm not a member of Beehaw, but I can respect them knowing both what they want to be and when their limited ability to enforce it meant drastic measures to preserve the community. This is one of the good things about federation: they're allowed to do that and we don't need to switch platforms entirely!

Wish everyone luck going forward.

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hyperhopper -34 points 3 years ago

They are overly sensitive special snowflakes that pipi their pampers if anybody that doesn't have 100% the same opinions as them is allowed to use the internet

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xintrik 6 points 3 years ago

Motives aside, the point is one account won't always get you everywhere. Doing a little research before picking a home instance can't hurt.

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sadbehr 29 points 3 years ago

I was on world at first because I thought each instance was its own subreddit, so I went with the one with the most users! After a day and a half I somewhat understand instances now and have switched to a smaller one. Hopefully other reddit refugees will do it too.

Thanks for being so welcoming and patient with us. I'm really glad to be here.

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venusenvy47 6 points 3 years ago

Are you avoiding all interaction with the communities on lemmy.world, also? I'm not clear if I should just avoid using this .world account, or if I should avoid all .world communities to prevent overloading.

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rikudou 8 points 3 years ago

Just the account. If you post to lemmy.world from different instance, it's ok. Though be prepared that users may see your post with a delay depending on the state of lemmy.world.

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sadbehr 6 points 3 years ago

No I'm not avoiding anything at all. I personally switched instances, just to try and ease the load on the .world server while we flooded in here. I'm sure they would appreciate you switching to another one. I found my countries one, a bonus is that it comes with my local communities! Don't be put off by the smaller populated instances.

Also juuussssttt in case you weren't sure, generally speaking you have access to the same content between instances (some are more strict than others and don't allow certain content like NSFW stuff, but they do tell you in advance).

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mykl 26 points 3 years ago

That’s where join-lemmy really missed out. They should have introduced a set of rules like join-mastodon where instances must have at least two admins, a clear code of conduct, and clear rules as to how they manage closedown. That way users would be reasonably safe in picking an instance at random. But they didn’t so everyone should go to safe choices like lemmy.world.

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Corkyskog 5 points 3 years ago

Everyone keeps saying to join the smaller instances, but the reason people aren't is because they are harder to find and usually have application gates thrown up. Because you can't apply through the app, and because I am on mobile, I don't even know how many Instances I applied for and then forgot what the instance was even called by the time they may or may not have approved.

All of this needs to be laid out better from the get-go. Even simply listing a server strain metric or warning (even if it's something admins set themselves) would be useful.

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mykl 1 point 3 years ago

a server strain metric or warning

Ha, that would be really useful in directing the flow especially at times like this.

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notasandwich1948 4 points 3 years ago

I only had luck making an account on my 3rd attempt, on sh.itjust.works

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someguy3 4 points 3 years ago

So signup for a smaller instance

Unless you want to create a community on that instance. You can only create communities in the instance you sign up.

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ShittyKopper 12 points 3 years ago

...so create your community on that instance. Others will still be able to access it just like you're accessing communities elsewhere.

Some instances disallow community creation. That's the only part where this argument has any merit. Otherwise which instance a community is on doesn't really matter.

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someguy3 5 points 3 years ago

Technically it doesn't matter, but I expect communities will take off better in instances better suited to it. I doubt a gaming community on lemmy.ca will become the massive gaming community. I doubt c/Toronto will take off in a UK instance. Etc.

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SeaJ 4 points 3 years ago

I tried getting on both of those for a couple weeks. I could not get through on either. Found lemm.ee and have had zero issues.

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kaba0 3 points 3 years ago

The problem is that it uses WebSockets in a completely braindead way. There is absolutely zero reason to waste server resources on that for every single user. Of course it fails to scale..

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ShittyKopper 2 points 3 years ago

Well you're in luck because Lemmy 0.18 rips out all WebSocket code.

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Ghostalmedia 4 points 3 years ago

Imagine if you registered an email address with gmail, hotmail, and iCloud. You’d have three separate inboxes.

And like email, which is also federated, you don’t need a gmail address to message gmail people, or a hotmail address to message hotmail people. You can signup with one domain / instance, and subscribe to communities from another domain / instance.

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xigbar 2 points 3 years ago

What does it mean to say that Lemmy is federated?

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Strenuous4542 3 points 3 years ago

Its decentralized, so this comment or whatever you post can be hosted on your own server or a community server you trust instead of somewhere like twitter or reddit that rely on a single entity for uptime, ownership whatever.

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Ghostalmedia 3 points 3 years ago

Basically there are many different Lemmy servers. Http://lemmy.world Http://lemmy.ml Http://shit.just.works Etc etc

It doesn’t matter which one you sign up for. Most of them talk to one another. For example. Lemmy.ml people can subscribe to and read Lemmy.world communities.

Lemmy can also talk to other “fediverse” social media platforms like Kbin. You often see a lot of Kbin users in Lemmy comments.

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mrbaby 2 points 3 years ago
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mykl 2 points 3 years ago
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superpretend 1 point 3 years ago

What happens to the communities on lemmy.world and lemmy.ml if they’re no longer around? It seems like the most active communities are mostly on those two instances.

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Ghostalmedia 1 point 3 years ago

A good example is what just happened with beehaw. Beehaw cut ties with lemmy.world temporarily until some new mod tools roll out.

If you were subbed to a beehaw community from lemmy.world, you can still post to that community, but only LW people can see the post. You can use that capability to tell people to migrate away to a new home.

Or, if an instance gets big and valuable, I’m sure their will people champing at the bit to take on the domain and instance if the OG admin wants out.

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Squiglet 1 point 3 years ago

How does that work? Still confused.

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Ghostalmedia 1 point 3 years ago

Basically, in the beehaw example, all of Lemmy.world’s messages to beehaw communities are kind of stuck in an old deprecated beehaw outbox that is not being checked by beehaw. Lemmy.world people can see all the messages sitting in their beehaw outbox, but beehaw ain’t coming to get their mail, and they’re no longer sending mail to Lemmy.world.

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danc4498 1 point 2 years ago

The real magic is that you don’t even have to use Lemmy. You can use Kbin if you like that interface better.

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mykl 0 points 3 years ago
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mykl -1 points 3 years ago
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mykl -2 points 3 years ago

That’s where join-lemmy really missed out. they should have introduced a set of rules like join-mastodon where instances must have at least two admins, a clear code of conduct, and clear rules as to how they manage closedown. That way users would be reasonably safe in picking an instance at random. But they didn’t so everyone should go to safe choices like lemmy.world.

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Spyd3r -7 points 3 years ago
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gonzo0815 5 points 3 years ago

Why don't people like you fuck off to 4chan?

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Spyd3r 0 points 3 years ago
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Spyd3r -7 points 3 years ago
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Spyd3r -7 points 3 years ago
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Rachelhazideas 0 points 3 years ago

Says the one who wants to sanitize the internet so their little feelings don't get hurt when they can't take criticism.

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Spyd3r -8 points 3 years ago
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Spyd3r -9 points 3 years ago
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GregorGizeh 3 points 3 years ago

You’re bitching about safe space snowflakes, meanwhile you are literally looking for a safe space to be a dick

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Spyd3r -12 points 3 years ago
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jeems 12 points 3 years ago

Sounds like you want to go back to your safe space among the snowflakes on /r/conservative

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Nies221 186 points 3 years ago

Still better than the official reddit app.

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ikidd 81 points 3 years ago

Smoke signals would be better than the official app.

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troublecat 32 points 3 years ago

I've considered switching to carrier pigeons

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fullcircle 15 points 3 years ago

Do I have the proposal for you! RFC2549

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Clown_Tempura 9 points 3 years ago

All you need are two tin cans joined by string.

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DonatellaHibachi 4 points 3 years ago

I know some pensioners in my neighbourhood that'd love to talk to you about that.

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Hamartiogonic 3 points 3 years ago

A message in a bottle is easier to use. Also, the maintenance cost is negligible, since the system is powered by renewable wave energy. The only downside is the lag, which can vary from a few days to several centuries.

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henfredemars 16 points 3 years ago

Just not using the app is better than using the app.

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ikidd 16 points 3 years ago

I can't fathom how they bought a good app, put a dev "team" on it for 7 years, and still don't have half the features some neckbeards in their mom's basements without access to the backeng still managed to put into their apps.

What a pack of incompetent fucks.

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henfredemars 3 points 3 years ago

Sounds like they lucked out into an awesome job with no real work required.

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Poe 43 points 3 years ago

A surprisingly low bar

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ThisIsJohnny 10 points 3 years ago

So true.

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AnObscureTenet 157 points 3 years ago

I want to be mad but FFS Reddit had Conde Nast money for most of its shittery so they had NO excuse except incompetence.

At least Fediverse servers are typically Steve's old laptop or some shit so it's understandable.

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ShittyKopper 100 points 3 years ago

It's generally more like "Steve's 10 eur/mo cloud server in which they run ten other things next to Lemmy, which is written by two devs and barely held together by duct tape and prayers"

But that doesn't change the overall point.

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Corkyskog 24 points 3 years ago

it's that cheap? If I spun up an instance and paid less than $150 how many users would I be able to have before it implodes?

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ShittyKopper 29 points 3 years ago

The instance I'm replying from is a 5 eur/mo box from Hetzner.

Your main concerns are gonna be active user count & storage space. Especially if you decide to allow image or god forbid video uploads. Having a bunch of inactive users aren't going to affect costs that much as long as they don't have, like, a milion subscriptions. (If they're all subscribed to the same community things will "deduplicate")

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lukenamop 8 points 3 years ago

Do you have any specific resources or suggestions? I’m a software dev with lots of DigitalOcean experience looking to host my own instance. Also, can you log in to wefwef through your instance, or how do you access everything, specifically on mobile?

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poorlytunedAstring 3 points 3 years ago

What's the learning curve like? That honestly seems like a much bigger hurdle than cost.

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Chobbes 16 points 3 years ago

Only one way to find out ;)

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Chobbes 23 points 3 years ago

On a more serious note... I'm not sure if much has changed since then (probably, things have been moving fast...), but lemmy.world was hosted on about a $150 / mo server:

https://blog.mastodon.world/ https://www.hetzner.com/... (it's the most expensive option here)

That's pretty beefy. You could probably get away with much less for a smaller instance.

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Annoyed_Crabby 3 points 3 years ago

Sounds like a challenge

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AnObscureTenet 21 points 3 years ago

Good point. Who the hell hosts their own server anymore?

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CarbonatedPastaSauce 43 points 3 years ago

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mignochrono 10 points 3 years ago
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mignochrono 6 points 3 years ago

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mignochrono 1 point 3 years ago
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SwallowsDick -2 points 3 years ago

Honestly, it's negligent if a major company does host their own servers at this point. Big cloud server companies specialize in that and can do it better than others, with better guarantees of stability and maintenance. Pretty much the reason people specialize in everything else.

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AnObscureTenet 18 points 3 years ago

What you're saying here is literally a punchline in infosec because of how many breaches are down to incompetent cloud service providers, because said cloud service providers take security about as seriously as the aforementioned c-suite does.

*EDIT No, the c-suite thing doesn't make sense. Shut up. I recast this post and removed a bit. I don't need your approval. I DRIVE A DODGE STRATUS

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s_s 15 points 3 years ago

You will pay, sweetly, for that added uptime, however.

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nikdog 17 points 3 years ago

But I know where OC was coming from, 15-25 years ago it would have been the crap old laptop, the cardboard box server, the DEC PDP-11 the University is still powering for some reason.

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CthuluVoIP 3 points 3 years ago

… the PDP-11 😂

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Corkyskog 1 point 3 years ago

it's that cheap? If I spun up an instance and paid less than $150 how many users would I be able to have before it implodes?

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citable6704 3 points 3 years ago

About tree fiddy

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eu8 12 points 3 years ago

Reddit's database was pretty poorly designed. They designed it to be really flexible so they could make changes easily early on, but it was highly inefficient. I don't know if it's still like that, but the old website's source code is public and it is very inefficient.

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manitcor 140 points 3 years ago

search actually works here.

already better than old reddit.

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rustyfish 3 points 3 years ago

That’s been a shocker, yeah.

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CataclysmZA 125 points 3 years ago

Given the... frankly absurd rate at which people are signing up to servers, and subscribing to other servers, and posting and commenting and upvoting and...

I mean it's getting a bit hairy, and user growth was already following a very steep growth curve. Reddifugees are hugging all instances to death.

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Anders429 12 points 3 years ago

It really is a defining moment for Lemmy. If the devs can't adapt quickly enough to handle the traffic, I doubt many Reddifugees will stick around.

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21racecar12 10 points 3 years ago

Depends what timelines and what types of users were talking about, in my opinion. Users migrating who have contributed good content and/or moderation should have the patience to get through most of the growing pains. Casual users who show up just to browse and maybe up or downvote a few things don’t add a lot of value up front anyway, so the attrition of those users won’t matter too much in the long run. Those types of users will likely be back in the future once the kinks get worked out, or will be replaced by users of the same type. Patience is the game.

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winterayars 5 points 3 years ago

I'm probably here to stay. Maybe not Lemmy specifically, but i've already joined Mastodon once and then bailed and things have only gotten worse since then. It's either this or Tumblr and my Tumblr account is still all jacked. Or maybe Cohost or Pillowfort will start drawing people in? I'd take one of those, too.

But even if i have to run my own Lemmy instance i don't want to go back to some privately owned site that's just going to have the same cycle kill it again

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CataclysmZA 2 points 3 years ago

I'm already seeing vastly improved performance, so I think the worst of the lag from recent updates is behind us.

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MargotRobbie 103 points 3 years ago

It just feels so weird to have big threads with good fresh discussions going on hours after the post.

Not to say there isn't an occasional asshole here and there during this wave, but I don't think reddit has ever felt like this at any point.

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meisme 47 points 3 years ago

It's because sorting comments by "hot" prioritizes new comments more than old comments even taking into account votes. So a 3d old comment with 50 votes might appear below a 2h old comment with 5 votes. Unlike Reddit which just pushes the first comments to the top and anything new will drown in the sea of comments and never surface or be seen.

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MargotRobbie 29 points 3 years ago

That's my guess as well. And the post default sorting by "active" means the top posts usually have a lot more staying power compared to reddit.

Didn't see much here that made me roll my eyes and think:"That made me feel dumber for reading it.", whereas on reddit that's pretty much every big thread.

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troyunrau 3 points 3 years ago

That staying power is a blessing and a curse. Sometimes you're looking for fresh content. Top Hour is marvelous. So is New Comments. :)

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MargotRobbie 2 points 3 years ago

I think it encourages you to seek out other interesting communities when you want to see something different.

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kwot 3 points 3 years ago
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pspat 76 points 3 years ago

Would upvote but I keep getting server-side errors

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klieg2323 62 points 3 years ago

And here I am laughing on my speedy private instance. For real, the best part of Lemmy is if your experience is bad you can hop to a different instance and not miss a post

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Jfqs6m 16 points 3 years ago

Question about this, is it just a speedier general browsing on other instances as well? Or just your local posts?

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klieg2323 38 points 3 years ago

Everything is faster. For the most part, your local instance will download posts and comments for any community you (or anyone else on your instance) is subscribed to. So when you log in, you log into your server and browse the content locally (posts from everywhere) while your server in the background constantly is receiving updates through the ActivityPub protocol.

I literally have no delay in using Lemmy in any way.

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donnachaidh 6 points 3 years ago

What about the "all" stream? Is that also preloaded to the server?

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klieg2323 22 points 3 years ago

The "all" stream would be all of the posts from the combined subs of the users on the instance. So if there's a community nobody is subscribed to, it won't appear on all. This is true of all instances. Many smaller ones will employ bots to crawl Lemmy and sub to communities to give the large instance "all" feeling.

That being said, yeah it's all preloaded onto your local server. There is no difference in speed. Doesn't matter if it's active/subed or new/all they all load the same

I'd highly encourage everyone to find smaller instances and leave lemmy.world for the immediate expats. Find something that aligns with your values. Or if you are technically literate enough host your own instance. If you have an old desktop computer you've already got everything you need.

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BettyWhiteInHD 62 points 3 years ago
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imaginos 18 points 3 years ago

Looks like the app wasn't developed with a scalable architecture from the start, then they strapped some caching out of desperation when users started flocking, and didn't consider the invalidation parameters for private pages correctly.

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BettyWhiteInHD 40 points 3 years ago
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StateMachine 1 point 3 years ago

It's a little bit baffling. It's not like they couldn't have predicted this server load. I know it's tricky to foresee bottlenecks in some situations but them adding caching (a very basic thing for scalability) at the last minute belies a lack of either experience, forethought, or knowledge, I am not sure which.

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SwallowsDick 11 points 3 years ago

I wonder if anyone has been me

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Protonium 11 points 3 years ago

I have been you, SwallowsDick

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Jackolantern 7 points 3 years ago

Holy shit! It there a never tell me the odds community here? This fits like a glove

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NoRodent 6 points 3 years ago

Here's Johnny!

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meisterlix 6 points 3 years ago

Did you report this (on GitHub possibly)? That seems to be a fairly important bug for the devs to get their head around.

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rockettaco37 56 points 3 years ago

It's early days here. Give it some time...

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KidsTryThisAtHome 29 points 3 years ago

It's part of the charm :D

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rockettaco37 3 points 3 years ago

Agreed! Lemmy kinda captures the same sense of excitement and experimentation that the early internet seemed to have.

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corncob 2 points 3 years ago

For real! Seems like everyone jumped ship and expects a flawless integration from Reddit. This tech is relatively new and provided by volunteers. Give it some time!

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rockettaco37 2 points 3 years ago

Especially with the massive influx of users on this instance. I for one am quite happy with the admins and how they're holding up during this. lol

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docmox 54 points 3 years ago

Legit the first thing I noticed. It’s actually not that hard to find the community you’re looking for.

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OctopusKurwa 19 points 3 years ago

Having a hard time finding an active soccer community. The largest one only has a comment or two per post.

I'm looking forward it growing though. r/soccer 2010-2014 was my favourite internet community ever.

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just_some_guy 34 points 3 years ago

Yeah but if you comment then the commenting instantly goes up 33-50%!

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Limes 7 points 3 years ago

c/football is the major one for now but will grow over time as more features are available or widely known.

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someguy3 14 points 3 years ago

Afaik saying c/football is meaningless because there can be a c/football on every instance.

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Limes 3 points 3 years ago

I’m seeing one on Lemmy.world and one on Lemmy.ml when I do a federated search. One has 2000+ members and the other 10. Thought that would be self explanatory, my bad.

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Anders429 4 points 3 years ago

I've been disappointed at how inactive the Rust communities I've seen are. r/rust was the main reason I visited Reddit.

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shoobie 48 points 3 years ago

For those of you who, like me, are coming from Apollo you guys can try wefwef.app. It’s great

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ShrimpsIsBugs 17 points 3 years ago

It's a nice app, but I'm really wondering who came up with that name and why. That's not how you name something if you want it to be successful.

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ShittyKopper 10 points 3 years ago

Perhaps they're not trying to "be successful"?

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Cinner 1 point 3 years ago

It's getting a name change.

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BackStabbath 2 points 3 years ago

I would hope so lol

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damnYouSun 5 points 3 years ago

I know this night sound like a dumb comment, but it's kind of worth thinking about.

Since it isn't an iOS app, they could probably make a version of it which isn't so iOS inspired, because frankly that layout is confusing to anyone who isn't used to it.

I know Apple have a way of doing things, and they're like apps to look a certain way, but if you're not used to it it's not intuitive at all.

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MildManneredPate 7 points 3 years ago

But the point of wefwef is to feel familiar to those who used and are missing Apollo, the most popular iOS app.

There has been a groundswell of Android apps starting up and not a great deal of activity in the iOS-specific space. So, wefwef is welcome for those looking for something that ticks that box.

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nightfury326 3 points 3 years ago

I just put a webpage link to my Lemmy homepage on my Home Screen. I haven't found the ability to comment or anything though, and I'm signed in.

Edit- apparently I was signed out. 🤣

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bug 1 point 3 years ago

Oh yeah, it's a bit all over the place, eh? Looks quite slick though, might give it a go!

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TheNightBird 4 points 3 years ago

Waiting for sync

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DawnOfAnEra 4 points 3 years ago

That looks great, thanks!

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391DFG 3 points 3 years ago

undefined> wefwef.app

where do you get it?

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fredofox 4 points 3 years ago

You pop wefwef.app in the browser which can then be installed as a PWA.

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damnYouSun 2 points 3 years ago

You can also install any Lemmy instance as a PWA as well if you want.

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ProximaChad 1 point 3 years ago

I keep getting “cant load sever data” with this app. Is this just a lemmy thing or an app thing.

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Labotomized 2 points 3 years ago

In one of the posts a couple days ago the developer of wefef stated that the app is getting rate limited by lemmy.world servers because so many people are using it. I think they were trying to resolve it but I am still getting the same issue occasionally. It’s just growing pains of the whole ecosystem & totally expected and normal. I’m happy to be an early adopter of all this stuff and watching it grow and mature will be an exciting adventure!

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Bushwhack 5 points 3 years ago

When does that go into effect? Performance for me is still shit.

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HobbitFoot 25 points 3 years ago

This is the first weekend after the Reddit API was turned off. The influx of Reddit refugees hasn't stopped yet.

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liontigerwings 48 points 3 years ago

To be fair, it worked well right before reddit cut off api access. This will probably happen everytime reddit does something stupid to drive away users. In other words, it could happen every two week based on how spez is lately.

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Canopyflyer 47 points 3 years ago

Does the Narwhal bacon again?

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FilipDaFlippa 23 points 3 years ago

Oh god

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Speculater 21 points 3 years ago

Only at midnight.

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tonystark29 6 points 3 years ago

cries

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cherryryu 4 points 3 years ago

You are my first upvote and this is my first comment

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isthismeta 4 points 3 years ago

Hopefully this turns into something

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wreel 4 points 3 years ago

Nope. I'm trying to hold my poop for three days

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smoll_pp_operator 2 points 3 years ago

Not anymore...

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tonystark29 -1 points 3 years ago
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Xylight 42 points 3 years ago

The instances are volunteer-ran and make no profit, give them some time to iron everything out

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Anonymau5 41 points 3 years ago

I forgive it. It has tremendous potential

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ThisGuysNeverSerious 3 points 3 years ago

This is definitely going to be fun!

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Ricky 41 points 3 years ago

All the old Redditors jumped ship. Let's hope the new redditors and spam bots don't jump ship with them.

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ComplacentGoat 16 points 3 years ago

Unfortunately, if there's any hope of lemmy really taking off, they'll come eventually. All popular sites and services have to deal with it at some point.

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rikudou 12 points 3 years ago

I'd prefer the new redditors to the elitist ones, but well, what can I do.

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EvilCartyen 10 points 3 years ago

I'm afraid you're stuck with elitist pricks like me now :p

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troyunrau 2 points 3 years ago

Meow

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marmo7ade 2 points 3 years ago
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rikudou 3 points 3 years ago

No u.

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Darkwatch00 40 points 3 years ago

It's great to be here. All part of the fun of being apart of something new.

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wwaxwork 39 points 3 years ago

Yeah but these guys aren't trying to make a profit from us and Reddit had venture capital money.

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Reken 38 points 3 years ago

Yeah, every time I try to upvote something, it'll take like 10-15 seconds to register

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Petter1 31 points 3 years ago

You gotta use lemmy.world for the OG experience 😂

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Labotomized 30 points 3 years ago

Not sure if this is meant to be negative or positive but I for one like all the growing pains and issues. It makes the whole experience a little more engaging for me. I really like reading up on what problems are happening and how the teams are working towards solutions. I especially like the technical details that are just a little over my head because it’s fun to learn about!

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henfredemars 24 points 3 years ago

This is definitely a sink-or-swim moment for Lemmy. If this is going to work, this is the chance. Twitter and Reddit are imploding. Users have a reason to try something new and are willing to deal with young, buggy platforms because it's better than the alternative and they needed an Internet home. My upvote taking ten seconds to register is itself the knife's edge of creation, a new birth.

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Labotomized 10 points 3 years ago

Eh, if the issues mean a more focused audience remains part of the platform I’m down for that. I’d rather a smaller group of more dedicated people than an absolutely massive group of people where only the loudest voices are heard.

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rikudou 4 points 3 years ago

If you move to a smaller instance, the issues will go away for you.

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BradleyUffner 3 points 3 years ago

... And get replaced by a whole bunch of new ones!

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rikudou 1 point 3 years ago

Like?

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aslaii 30 points 3 years ago

Ngl. I am having fun.

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nikdog 26 points 3 years ago

The best part of this post, is the segue into the new !showerthoughts community

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Moonwalk 25 points 3 years ago

Laughs in lemm.ee

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Grdtrm 24 points 3 years ago

I'm pretty new to this federation idea, but if I'm on a small instance of Lemmy and browsing c/showerthoughts@lemmy.world, would I still see degraded performance?

Are the instances mirroring the content of the communities hosted in another instance?

(Edit: thanks everyone, your responses are really helpful!)

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CataclysmZA 23 points 3 years ago
  1. Yes, that's how federation works. Your local host may be faster than the instance you are browsing content on, especially if that other instance is getting hugged to death or DDOSed. But even if that is happening, the rest of the Fediverse works just fine.

  2. No, instances are not mirrored. That's probably possible in activitypub (the protocol that Lemmy and similar Fediverse platforms use), but unlikely to happen due to server resources and funding.

Think of it as a bunch of forums on the Internet, where an account made on one forum allows you to comment and see content on other forums, but you don't need a separate account for all of them. Federation somewhat simplifies things, but there are drawbacks that I won't get into here.

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julianwgs 10 points 3 years ago

Not an expert: On site loading no, but on propagating data across the fediverse yes, which is much more subtle. On my instance performance is great!

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hschen 9 points 3 years ago

Comments/posts will federate much slower or even fail if theres alot of load on the other instances. Everything accessed from your instance is already federated and the content is located on your instance by that point, except for images

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ImOnADiet 5 points 3 years ago

There will just be less posts, comments, voting than usual

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HulkSmashBurgers 24 points 3 years ago

If you're on one of the bigger instances (lemmy.world for example) use https://lemmyverse.net/ to pick a smaller, less crowded instanceto call home.

I created an account on reddthat.com earlier today, and it's way less laggy than lemmy.world (my initial instance).

Hopefully in time lemmy gains functionality thatmakis account backup/porting easy so moving instances in nbd.

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Riktastic 21 points 3 years ago

The top three instances a currently overcrowded. I recommend checking out a smaller instance (for example https://laguna.chat).

Smaller instances are still able to access to same content. But it is just a different server that processes the content.

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S_204 20 points 3 years ago

It's slower than reddit ever was.... at least in the 14 years I was there.

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oatscoop 27 points 3 years ago

I joined a smaller instance that more fits my interests, but is still federated with the "popular" ones I like. So far it works great.

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SmokesForBreakfast 16 points 3 years ago

I still haven’t got a clue what this means. Goddamn it.

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meekah 20 points 3 years ago

Lemmy is not one big application like reddit. Instead everyone can download Lemmy and host their own >instance<. Each instance can have their own users, their own communities/subs and admins.

Since Lemmy is part of the >fediverse<, it means that each Lemmy instance can interact with each other, and can even interact with other applications of the fediverse (like mastodon, which is more similar to twitter).

Because everyone can make their own Lemmy instance, it is also possible for bad faith actors to make one. They could create many accounts on their own instance, and try to mess with the other Lemmy instances by either posting a lot of comments, reporting a lot of content, or a number of other things. To prevent that from being an actual issue, each instance has the option to >defederate< other instances. (I am not 100% sure on the following so please correct me if I'm wrong) Defederating means that users of instance A cannot interact with the content or users of instance B, if instance A defederated instance B.

Since the performance of website is dependent on the instance you use, you can try to find another instance with less users and a more stable server. As long as it is not defederated by many other servers it will be effectively be the same experience as being on another instance.

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blindjezebel 5 points 3 years ago

Could I think of the federation as like nations giving each others' citizens a visa, or is that too off the mark to use as a metaphor?

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ProximaChad 4 points 3 years ago

They need to find a way to make this easier to understand. I almost didn’t sign up because it was so confusing. I use to go on reddit for one subreddit and they are not even considering lemmy to host a second community. There’s a different alternative they think has potential. Its a pretty big sub too.

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lom 6 points 3 years ago

Basically instead of just one person hosting all of reddit, it’s now divided into many chunks that can communicate with each other but run separately.

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this 5 points 3 years ago

Think of it like this: imagine if there were 2 reddit websites and users from each website could post, comment, and vote on each others website through their own website. For example, your instance(website) is Lemmy.world. mine is sh.itjust.works. I'm not commenting on lemmy.world, I'm commenting on your comment on a lemmy.world community(subreddit) using my instance(sh.itjust.works) in the same way that if you have a gmail address and I have yahoo we can still send emails to each other. Instances can block other instances as well, which is called defederating, but by default they all cross communicate with one another to deliver a (mostly) shared experience. So if you made an account on another instance, as long as it's not defederated with the ones hosting the communities you subscribe to, you are effectively changing which servers you are using without changing the content you get.

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SmokesForBreakfast 1 point 3 years ago

I think this one made it click for me! Thanks.

I might have been confused by the initial amount of duplicate posts across instances. I’m guessing that could be compared to cross posts across subreddits.

Now if I can engage with different instances from my own instance, why do I need a different user for each instance? Is that in case of instances blocking each other?

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Lethocerus 5 points 3 years ago

I saw this post earlier in my all feed. The picture is a nice infographic that may help understanding.

infographic

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oatscoop 3 points 3 years ago

Lemmy is just the software this website uses. You could download lemmy, install it on your own server, and have your own community -- AKA instance. It would be your website, but running the standardized "lemmy" code/interface.

This instance (website) is federated with the one I made an account on. I can browse communities, read posts, and comment on this lemmy website (lemmy.world) through "my" lemmy website (midwest.social), and vice versa.

"Federated" means two sites running lemmy have that agreement. "Defederated" means they don't allow their users to interact -- you'd have to make an account on each site.

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Taxxor 5 points 3 years ago

and have your own community – AKA instance

The distinction between communities and instances is often poorly displayed in many cases which adds to the general confusion I feel. For example, feedit.de describes itself as "Deutschsprachige(German-speaking) Lemmy Community" and their Logo also states "lemmy community".
But it's not a community, it's an instance. The "subreddits" inside that instance are the communities, so feddit itself shouldn't be called community to avoid confusion.

Edit: Of course there's also more added confusion when we talk about the Fediverse as a whole, where users on /kbin use the terms magazines and articles instead of comunities and posts and they also have different names for likes and dislikes.

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rikudou 2 points 3 years ago

Community is not the same thing as an instance.

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troyunrau 13 points 3 years ago

It's funny seeing famiar usernames, heh.

It's speed largely depends on the instance you're connected to. There's definitely scaling problems going on with some instances.

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circuitfarmer 5 points 3 years ago

Since all the instances are independent, it's going to be very difficult to recreate completely the experience of a corporate behemoth. But it's that independence which also give this platform true freedom and potential longevity, so the tradeoffs seem worth it. It should also be said that the load overall has gone up a lot since reddit just shut off the 3rd party apps officially, so we should see better results moving forward as things equalize after the rush.

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liontigerwings 2 points 3 years ago

you're on lemmy.world which is now the biggest instance and therefore is getting hit the hardest with the reddit exodos. You can either wait it out for lemmy.world to scale their server, or you can try a smaller instance with less load on it. In any case you can still reach the same fediverse regardless which one you choose (with some exception as some instance are blocked or deferated, for example lemmygrad.ml is defederated from a lot of instances due their political POV).

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ouluntoripoliisi 20 points 3 years ago

Well, if its too slow, you can just self-host it.

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FarLine99 16 points 3 years ago

Try lemm.ee instance. It is REALLY fast compared to lemmy.world or sh.itjust.works. And it is also general instance, not some theme-specific.

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jcg 6 points 3 years ago

To be fair, lemm.ee has an entire order of magnitude less monthly users than world. I think it's at the perfect size, actually.

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PatFussy 4 points 3 years ago

Wait i have only been using lemm.ee, are you saying ive been lemming with 1 nut sack stapled to my leg?

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troyunrau 3 points 3 years ago

No. Because of the federated nature of these servers, it just means you have a fast server ;)

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frathiemann 15 points 3 years ago

I would just wish there would be a new Reddit view as well. It is just so annoying having to click on the images to zoom in

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meekah 12 points 3 years ago

I prefer having to click on the image, but I keep wanting to resize it like with RES TT_TT

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Matthew 4 points 3 years ago

I have tried to resize like in RES so many times. lol

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MrSlicer 5 points 3 years ago

What are you using? I'm using connect for lemmy there's an option for card views. Idk if that helps you or not.

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PatFussy 5 points 3 years ago

Gross

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WiseThat 3 points 3 years ago

New reddit crops images that it displays, so you typically had to click on images anyways, though

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liontigerwings 2 points 3 years ago

That's where apps come in. tons of great ones already. I like memmy on iOS so far.

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frathiemann 1 point 3 years ago

My phone runs on GNU/Linux (pinephone pro) so there are not many apps available. I have tried liftoff, but could not get it to compile.

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liontigerwings 2 points 3 years ago

Wefwef.app might be the perfect option for you then. It's a webapp.

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frathiemann 2 points 3 years ago

Awsome. Thank you so much, that is exacty what I was looking for

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Sir_Simon_Spamalot 14 points 3 years ago

Gotta start somewhere...

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Nerii 14 points 3 years ago

Yeah, this is taking me back to 2013 reddit. Really enjoying it here. I'm hoping it continues to walk down this path.

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FlashMobOfOne 14 points 3 years ago

I love that your first instinct after being here just a few hours is to bitch about things. Maybe donate and thank the devs for the free work they're doing so you don't have to deal with the bullshit on Reddit, and then in a month or so when the user influx has calmed down a bit, then you can bitch if you want.

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Strangian 54 points 3 years ago

Damn bro chill, they were making a joke

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Speculater 6 points 3 years ago

No! Anger! Must be mad!

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Strangian 4 points 3 years ago

True, we might’ve escaped reddit but we are still on the internet

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Speculater 1 point 3 years ago
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teuast 49 points 3 years ago

i don't think this was intended as an entirely serious complaint.

personally i'm very impressed with how well it's still running right now despite the influx

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mignochrono 9 points 3 years ago

Yeah on that note how do we help the instances so they can take more load is there like a way to donate or something?

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Blackadder 6 points 3 years ago

Did you think redditors will stop moaning just cause they are in a new place? Bitching is universal as long as three or more people can gather around on some corner of the internet.

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Philolurker 14 points 3 years ago

I even got an error page the first time I tried to load this post. Just like old times! 🥲

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madjo 13 points 3 years ago

That depends on the instance you’re on.

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do_not_pm_me 13 points 3 years ago

Join a smaller instance. That is what I did and I’m having no performance issues now.

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jetsetdorito 13 points 3 years ago

My app erroring out halfway through reading the title

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Anissem 10 points 3 years ago

They even brought over the nobody replies to my comments part. Crazy!

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StarLuigi 1 point 3 years ago

What are you talking about?

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PeculiarBiscuit 10 points 3 years ago

Even the user interface brings back the memory...

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Exosus 9 points 3 years ago

Is that why I need to click to subscribe 5 times having it time out every time?

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Kolanaki 9 points 3 years ago

I expected to see issues with just the offending instance even on another instance account, but hopped onto one of my smaller ones and found this post again much faster because it didn't take forever to load the page and again to load into the comments.

That's pretty dope!

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Briguy24 8 points 3 years ago

Even the servers are method acting

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super_user_do 7 points 3 years ago

Bottom text 🤓

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Virgo 7 points 3 years ago

I’m worried about the search function. Every post ever made?

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Not_Sure 6 points 3 years ago

This is all I want. Just text, nothing more. Just like reddit.compact version that they took away.

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OreganoChampion 6 points 3 years ago

I have been having alright time with my instance, on Lemmy World instances though I have noticed a big delay in posting, I think it might just be Lemmy.World getting hammered

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assassin_aragorn 5 points 3 years ago

Perhaps the final Reddit hug of death?

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drdalek13 6 points 3 years ago

Give em a break! They weren't ready for this lol

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Clevermistakes 5 points 3 years ago

I purposefully avoided the “main” lemmy instances because I thought it would be more in the “fediverse spirit” to contribute to a smaller community, I joined Lemmy.ca as a Canuck.

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TruckBC 4 points 3 years ago

So far our instance is running good and we have plans ready to scale up when needed. Our standard of performance that we will strive to meet at all times is extremely fast.

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nutomic 5 points 3 years ago

Anything to make you feel at home 🥰

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Kristof12 5 points 3 years ago

Like the good old times

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LightDelaBlue 5 points 3 years ago

i still get substribe in peding. it was one week ago.

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Xanis 5 points 3 years ago

Wooow haha. Happy to have this though, regardless of early hiccups. 10 years on Reddit has left a surprisingly sizable hole in my daily routine.

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CataclysmZA 4 points 3 years ago
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Sneckster 4 points 3 years ago

I just wish any of my comments would go through today!!

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rikudou 3 points 3 years ago

Join a smaller instance.

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Sneckster 1 point 3 years ago

I've got a kbin account and thought about maybe trying other instances but over the last week I feel at home on lemmy.world

It's been getting hammered over the last couple of days but as long as Ruud sticks with it I think I will too

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MrSlicer 4 points 3 years ago

Yea I'm having a lot of issues like crashing, and it takes a minute to "send" my post. Is that normal? I'm using "connect for lemmy" on android.

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hazeebabee 3 points 3 years ago

What instance are you signed up for? Lemmy.world and a few of the other biggest servers are pretty overloaded from the reddit influx. Moving to a smaller instance would belp with load times, or give it a few days for your server admin to upgrade it.

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dani6h 1 point 3 years ago

Yeah it happened to me yesterday, and probably on this same message too, it's not awful but hopefully they fix it over time. Crashing hasn't happened though. That could be anything at this early stages, even the phone model lol

Using Connect since jerboa is still very clunky and does crash a lot.

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tebessa 3 points 3 years ago

haha. hopefully we'll also see some posts soon praising the improved server performance, like the good ol' Reddit days.

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pspat 3 points 3 years ago
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lemmy 3 points 3 years ago
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Neirin_D 3 points 3 years ago

I had heard about potential performance issues with larger instances, so I joined feddit.uk since I'm from the UK. We had a bug with sorting by hot but updating to 0.18 fixed it

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CataclysmZA 2 points 3 years ago
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drdalek13 2 points 3 years ago

Give em a break! They weren't ready for this lol

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JargonWagon 1 point 3 years ago
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SRSAutistic 1 point 2 years ago
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Squiglet 1 point 3 years ago

Theres hope

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Squiglet 1 point 3 years ago

Theres hope

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SRSAutistic 0 points 2 years ago
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A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. The most popular seem to be lighthearted clever little truths, hidden in daily life.

Here are some examples to inspire your own showerthoughts:

Rules

  1. All posts must be showerthoughts
  2. The entire showerthought must be in the title
  3. No politics
    • If your topic is in a grey area, please phrase it to emphasize the fascinating aspects, not the dramatic aspects. You can do this by avoiding overly politicized terms such as "capitalism" and "communism". If you must make comparisons, you can say something is different without saying something is better/worse.
    • A good place for politics is c/politicaldiscussion
  4. Posts must be original/unique
  5. Adhere to Lemmy's Code of Conduct and the TOS

If you made it this far, showerthoughts is accepting new mods. This community is generally tame so its not a lot of work, but having a few more mods would help reports get addressed a little sooner.

Whats it like to be a mod? Reports just show up as messages in your Lemmy inbox, and if a different mod has already addressed the report, the message goes away and you never worry about it.

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