This is a reminder to lemmy users, that this new meta expriement will use the ActivityPub protocol, meaning that it can interact with other lemmy instances, please urge your lemmy instance admins to de-federate from this crap as soon as it launches!

Data this app collects: yes.

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Yeah, he's a big fan of access. May as well just make an extra category marked "everything".

Isn't that just...everything?

Like is there anything they aren't requesting?

Don't forget to report it inside Play Store. All of these permissions are not required, thus the app is breaking store rules.

I run a pair of PiHole instances for DNS on my home network, and I periodically check the logs and look up blocked domains that I don't recognize. Every single time, it's a service that provides telemetry for mobile apps. It's insane how much data apps try to collect.

I'm asking myself how people can accept these conditions. There is a huge work of education on privacy to be done.

I bet they said something like "we don't use most of that information, we just need access in case we add a new feature in the future that uses it". And then it'll come out that they've always been using it, and it's been associated with your identifying info. And then their server will be hacked (because the admin password was "meta123") and the all the info will leak. The modern internet sucks.

Well if you download a Facebook owned app you should expect this.

Zuck wants to know your location

Why do all of Zucc companies terms and conditions have this air of desperation and grubbiness about them? 😂

No other services feel as slimy even though they're all doing mostly the same things.

Meta feels like you're interacting with a drug addicted stalker following you home

Do not trust apps like this. Facebook mined this shit without any warning originally.

They could have saved time by just saying "Everything"

Crazy thought, but people don't need Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, any Twitter replacement, etc. I.e. ya'll don't need 'social media'.

Lol not sure why people are surprised

Anyone know Meta's track record with data?

It's got to be great if they ask for all this /s

What "Other Data"?! Want my fuckin horoscope Zuck? How about the results of my last rectal exam? fuckin hell

It's gratifying seeing this because usually when I see these kinds of worrying data permissions it's because a service I really want or need is being held hostage until I agree to this false choice and I have to start figuring out whether there's some way around this or if I'm going to have to embarrassingly explain to someone why I can't use this service they expected me to sign up to.

But then I see this and it's for something I'd never want to sign up to anyway and it's just like a list of dodged bullets. 😎 So nice to just laugh at their bullshit.

Fuck off Zuck you fucking weirdo

so what is the difference from Spyware and meta's services

Why does Zuck want to know the browser histories of people on the internet? 😳

Lol fuck that, I’ll stick with mastodon

If the general public was just aware of how much privacy they lose by downloading these apps, companies like Meta would never be able to get away with stuff like this.

Seems reasonable. Where do I put in my social security number and mother's maiden name?

That's a big nope from me lmao. Mastadon seems to have alot of the important accounts I follow from Twitter. Liking it so far, no algorithm playing with your feed, no corporate advertising (unless you subscribe to it), no blue checks spreading insane conspiracies.

So, what do they not collect?

Are people really going to sign up for another Meta site? I'm sure as shit not. I finally deleted my Facebook account a couple weeks back, and I'm feelin' free!

So just everything then.

It's missing something first born son I think.

I've said it here before and I will say it again: Facebook and Google's entire approach to ads from data is based on an incorrect assumption of using enough data to build a profile on a person to predict what they are going to be interested in, when if you stop and think about it, it doesn't make any sense: people's needs will always change with circumstances at the time, ex. no amount of data in the world will help you predict whether I'll want a burger or Thai food for lunch tomorrow even if you do the digital equivalent of creeping on me outside my window and digging through my trash can. If you want to know what people want to buy, why not ask them?

Unfortunately, they've deluded themselves for more than a decade with the lie, so now the rest of the world also think that internet ads by them actually works.

I'm not going to rag too hard on Facebook here because most thing has been said by others already, but I will say that since literally every single one of their social media product took the same approach of maximize data to sell things, why is it that they are all losing people and their most successful place at selling things is actually Facebook Marketplace?

Well, that's a big nope....

Don't allow Zuck and the billionaire anti-democracy tech bros into Federation.

why does need health and fitness? does not make sense but is excessively harvesting data

This. We're all bashing on reddit but the reason why I went to reddit and then here was to take a break from meta-owned social media. They don't only take and sell our data, they also exploit small businesses and creatives by making them pay or post several times a day for "visibility" (translation: not to be shadowbanned) without providing anything back.

Not defending this, but isn't this basically also what Instagram (and every other mainstream social media app) takes? Doesn't make it right obviously but considering 99% of users for this thing are coming from Instagram/Facebook in the first place Meta already knows everything about them anyway.

so basically everything they can get from you?

This app will know whether or not you're circumcised

If you have instagram installed you almost certainly already grant all of this.

Click on “see details” link and scroll endlessly through it all.

On android you can take away all permissions though and it still works fortunately. On my phone i didn't give it one single permission. Or is there some way to gather sensitive data anyway for the app?

Is there anything left where they don’t want any permission? Ooof

There's some fediverse Instagram clone instances known as pixelfied and plemora, check out fediverse.info

When Instagram replacement on Fediverse? Fediverse also needs youtube replacement. Lets go all the way and hit these greedy mfers where it hurts. Unfortunetly my dev skills are poor, but I can offer moral support.

What the hell is “sensitive info”

i don't know why anyone would want to go from something as bad as twitter to a Facebook owned twitter

Can anyone explain how these are different from the data Meta already collects from its Facebook, Instagram, and Messenger users? I've been slowly moving my online presence away from Meta products, but I feel like Threads isn't going to do much better than BlueSky, or Hive, or Post, or even our beloved Mastodon.

I know meta is shit anyways, but what is the idea behind their Twitter competitor, like what is their selling point?

This is why I ditched Facebook many years ago. The first time they started to change their TOS and privacy stuff I noped out.

Sensitive Info, Health Data? õÔ

People complain about Lemmy's privacy policy, but... I mean... gestures

User: So how many permissions does your app need?

Threads: Yes!

They misspelled their service, should be: threats (to your privacy).

Meta knows they can’t fix their terrible privacy record so they might as well milk it.

Is that.. all of them??? Lmao

Financial Info, Identifiers, Sensitive Info... Woudn't it be easier just to give them my wallet and passport.

Sadly people will still jump there. It will eventually overtake Mastodon in numbers because people are dependent on the convenience of walled gardens.

Meta is sickening. You have to have it for promoting events, artists and such, but it’s toxic and needs to be replaced.

As a music artist, I don’t know how to avoid platforms like Instagram and such while still promoting my art.

1 permission short of asking for the soul of your first born...

Health and Fitness

Dude I have a step counting app that doesn't even need that shit. It just goes off the gyro. Definitely have no reason to be giving a social media app access to that shit.

Nah thanks. I´m happy in mastodon and lemmy. Also already have whatsapp, instagram and facebook don't need any other app from meta.

No, this is the data they would like to collect from those foolish enough to grant it.

Can I post here from this instance?

edit: cool

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99% of apps are just a data miner placed in front of a website.

Does it want a semen sample too? Christ.

They're the same as for Facebook and Instagram and since this one is perhaps most geared towards existing Instagram users, there won't be much more data given because you've probably already done it.

Because this information is very valuable to advertisers who want to target to customer base. If Meta sells them the users who happen to be X, Y, and Z and also happen to be searching recently for a similar product, Boom they’ve got themselves a likely customer. Much easier than advertising to the masses and hoping 0.1% will bite.

It’s all about discreet money making. The advertisers and Meta only care about how to make money off you.

Absolutely laughable that all these corporate dumbasses are tripping over themselves to explain why their platform is more user friendly but even with near unlimited resources to build a decent product Meta et al still can't figure out a way to justify their existence without quantifying and selling their users' private behaviors

What else could be „other data“ if the rest is basically everything ? o_o

do they also need nude pictures of me?, or with the blood type and a medical history is enough

Seriously I am already struggling to get meta out of my life enough to sign in to a new service with them.

To this day I have refused to download messenger for mobile since "needing it" is totally bullshit since you can just hit "view desktop site" in Chrome mobile. Won't ever get this bs either.

oh.... I saw a meme about this and thought it was just a joke.

What not even call logs? Lame

I was somewhat optimistic about this app given that they were embracing federation, felt like an important milestone like when AOL had to stick a full featured web browser in their app. But this is just gross. Don't want to be a data slut for Zuck.

"sensitive information" I think...a good chunk of this is already sensitive information what else do you want T.T

Yeah I'm gonna say no thanks.

Dont have Instagram or Facebook won't be getting this either.

Where do I sign?!

The unfortunate bit is that most people still on Instagram/FB won't care and will happily use it.

Can't Musk and Zuck just fight instead?

Sad that it’s even allowed. And how many people will “agree” to this without thinking twice about what it means.

Hackers/script kiddies must be having a heck of a party right now.

How invasive is this really when compared to the first party Twitter app?

Nope the fuck out of there

It's a perfectly named app. They're pulling on the thread of privacy protection until it's all undone.

I cant believe apps tracking user data this much can even be allowed on app stores

Think it is missing: Your first born child

Hmm no.

Thanks but no thanks

On iOS at least, a lot of these (location, contact info, health & fitness, etc), you can deny access to via a popup prompt when the app tries to access them.

It’s a Meta app though so at a bare minimum it’s absolutely going to track the heck out of how you use the app.

Twitter has the same amount of required permissions tho. Of course it collects a lot more data than any fediverse application or site but for proprietary software its about average

So, all that isn't even enough, "other info" is needed too? This honestly will just get every single thing they can get of ya.

Is the app out already? Or is this just the App Privacy dashboard for Instagram??

To play devils advocate, is it possible these permissions are just placeholders until the app is actually released?

Basically like Instagram

Is it out? I can’t find it. (Not that I would actually use it lol)

Yuck.

So just everything then.

Man, it really looks like a lot when you stack it like that!

They’ll create a shadow profile for you without you needing to download this app or use their service.

I wonder if this will change the current ToS for Facebook and regular IG

Wow, that's crazy. So "in your face" that they want EVERYTHING

Hmm no.

That’s a no for me dawg

I'm sure they are missing some data.

this is completely terrifying.

Health & fitness?? tan seme??

Bruh I thought this was the dick size edit again at first before looking further lmao

Yikers

Yeah... hard pass for me there 🤔

Absolutely laughable that all these corporate dumbasses are tripping over themselves to explain how their corporate platform is more user friendly but even with near unlimited technical resources to build a decent product Meta still can't resist the allure of quantifying and selling every element of the human existance

😟 Shiettt, do I have to delete my Instagram account? I only use it to stay "connected" to old friends. What about using the Instander app which is what I use to access Instagram? Is it still the same privacy invasion?

That seems overly permissive...

Well, this is a screenshots from iPhone as far as I can see. So, this user has been f-up already anyway.

I would prefer not to.

What does that even mean? Sensitive data? Other data could include basically anything anyway.

Seems a bit excessive.

There's some fediverse Instagram clone instances known as pixelfied and plemora, check out fediverse.info

But how else will they know what to sell you? Won't someone think of the poor advertisers?!

I deleted Facebook over ten years ago, and I told everyone I work with that it was about shit like this. Nobody cared. To this day, I have nothing but contempt for those folks. I don't work there any longer, and I don't regret losing touch with those people... Some people just want to watch their own world burn.

Gross

I bet they r just being lazy and can get away with it. Wasn't going to use it anyway.

That seems reasonable. I think I’ll throw in my social security number and DNA sample for good measure… just in case they need it.

L Oh Fucking L. Horrifying that people will just give all this information to a company that already has class action lawsuits against it for data mishandling, without even giving it a second thought. People are dumb.

I feel seek watching that screenshot

Jesus Christ Zuck. It looks like a lizard is running a mammalian study

Yea, well, it‘s Meta, so what would you expect…

Yay, another sword to fall onto.

Seriously, I'm curious how it goes. Meta can pour an insane amount of money into this, but that didn't work for the Metaverse. People already use IG as a Twitter replacement anyway, and Twitter itself just left a lot of people in a bad taste in their mouth.

So I would predict this doesn't have much of a place anywhere, but who knows.

It is how they make money - data. Crazy

That's insane. Wait... we're the product... makes sense.

I’m actually excited about Threads because it supposedly uses ActivityPub. I know all my non-techie friends are going to use it and I should be able to participate from my self-hosted Mastodon instance.

It's a lot of Info but knowing it's planning on using the Fediverse is pretty cool, Glad that everyone should be able to use there own platform / application that they prefer using. Sure a lot of people might end up using Threads due to it being 'Main Stream' but if people on things such as Lemmy & Masterdon can access all the features that Threads and other platforms are wanting to add in, then I see this as a win.

I have a request to any mods/admins/instance owners reading this:

You might get some mileage by putting sticky posts up, ideally in as many communities as possible, warning users about using Meta's app. Make it so every time a Meta user comes and checks us out, they're reminded, over and over, that Meta is spying on them. Repetition gets the message into people's brains!

"Did you know Meta's app watches and times your doomscrolling, and phones home to Meta to tell them which stories caught your eye? It records everything you type, even what you go back and delete, and sends that home to Big Brother. Consider using a spyware-free app, here's where you can get them..."

Please be kind and understanding that the advertiser's are also people, they need to eat and make money, this is the only way they have to survive...

As much as I dislike Zuck, Mastodon will not scale to millions of users. Normies need their thing too. I don't use Twitter but I do like to view Twitter-like posts for news. If BlueSky or Threads go mainstream, that's good for normies.

yeah, that's why i'm making another account on Threads. i'm super excited for Threads though. large social networks are good for some things that Mastodon/Lemmy/etc will never be good at, by design.

if i had to pick a single platform to use, it'd be Mastodon. but i don't have to pick a single platform.

Wow. I know people are talking a bit about the privacy concerns here on Lemmy, but enterprise social media is something else entirely...

I wouldn't trust Facebook with my Nintendo friend code, let alone all this