a.k.a. the 90–9–1 principle. Does the Fediverse follow this rule, or are there more creators here as early adopters? Are you a creator, a participator or a lurker?
1% rule: 1% of users actively create new content, while the other 99% only lurk.
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a.k.a. the 90–9–1 principle. Does the Fediverse follow this rule, or are there more creators here as early adopters? Are you a creator, a participator or a lurker?
Yep. Lurker here. In the sense that I upvote but don’t post or create content. I am just not witty enough to make a joke or creative enough to write a long winded content. But I do what I do and I think it’s alright.
The nice thing about this right now is that you don't need to feel witty or creative to post stuff as long as it fits the community you're in. There aren't enough people to compete with for posts to get attention, that's the main attraction to smaller social media environments: you feel like you matter more.
Yep, with low quantity of posts and how Lemmy sorts by default, just commenting random shit on posts you like is helping.
I'd wager most posters also just repost content rather than make original content. I post often to c/undertale_deltarune but it's just fanart made by others (with credit of course). And I think it goes without saying that most memes are just reposts.
God, the rare few times i put any time and effort into making something it would just get shit on. Lol
In a threaded site like Reddit or Lemmy, one liners and higher effort comments can coexist. I enjoyed the joking around, sing alongs, even the puns. Then you keep scrolling or collapse the thread and you can get to the more serious replies.
As long as the comments are in good faith or good fun and try to add something, I approve of them.
It was the bad faith stuff, people trying to compete in the victim Olympics (not saying that victims shouldn't speak up, I mean the people who are just looking for the next thing to be offended about), and attention whoring that I didn't like. Also the people obsessed with tying every conversation back to what group of people they hate or their political position or the political position they hate. Though I guess on the bright side, those ones did make me feel better about the possibility the world will end soon.
I felt the same on reddit. So far lemmy seems more positive
I dunno, the bar is already pretty high. Your content has to be at least as interesting as beans to stand a chance.
I am a talentless fool posting nonsense, don't let your lack of wit or creativity hold you back!
Exactly. Just fart into the wind like the rest of us.
You don't have to be any of those things. Post what you want where you think it should go. I post all the time.
Post pics, post questions. Post news articles. Long as your posting. But comments count to me any to.
On reddit I mostly just upvoted stuff and commented on posts every now and then, but here I'm trying to talk more. Even created a niche community. Coming up with the words to speak about something is difficult, specially as a I'm not an English native speaker, but it's worth it to help lemmy grow
I was like that on Reddit, but that was partly because it’s SO heavily trafficked and there are so many comments within any given post that you either have to be in at the start or make a popular post to have any effect upon discussion. And by “discussion” I mean more using a loudspeaker: there’s little meaningful back and forth, just presentations.
Smaller communities allow for more forum-like interaction.
There were even those graphs showing the common times posts that stay at the top were written for different subreddits, but it was usually the time people were waking up in the US.
I gotta pee
I'm sorry sir, but based on this post activity I'm going to need you to turn in your lurker badge immediately.
Are you a lurker if you comment?
I sure hope not lol
I'll lurk on your content.
I think commenting or even voting counts as participating. In my view, lurking means 0% participation.
My cat acts like she is the 1%
Full time lurker. Part time commenter. No time creator.
I admit it: I'm a lurker 99% of the time. I do partake in the up- and downvoting though.
I'm primarily a lurker. I've been trying to be better about participating lately because I'd like to help the fediverse grow and be a meaningful online meeting place.
Also guilty. I guess the first step was admitting I had a problem. But I’m working on it. One reply at a time.
Musicalcactus is a good name!
You might say it was a sharp choice.
I lead a mostly boring life. And the interesting parts would invade more privacy more than I care to expose. I'd love to post content. But I know better than to let too much of myself out. I already expose too much as is, but it can be worse. And nothing good comes from that.
Lol same, I don't have any AITA/relationship advice/TIFU stories ready to go. I don't make enough waves to post to most things. I was actually trying to think of questions for asklemmy because it's all a bit dead but I don't want to know anything! XD
I'm a lurker. Because idk what to say most of the time
i wondered about that too, though people seem to be finding the communities and federation seems to be doing its job. it's nice seeing users from other servers actively participating. only time will tell whether it's sustainable but i think slow and steady growth is a-ok for real community building
From a lifetime of small message boards It's easier to drive engagement in smaller groups. If there's less overall exhaustion with the basics in any niche, splitting the new members is a good way to keep differentiated material. Also growing communities can end up boxing out their regulars. It might be hard to get started, but the small communities tend to be resilient at some point, they just migrate service to service.
Most of the people who moved here were especially motivated to overcome the barriers to entry to, so I'm not sure the numbers still hold.
Oh my gosh, reddit was bad about that, r/crappydesign is an archive of mild mistakes rather than really funny errors like you see in reddit's 'top' sorting or the YT videos condencing (or not) the content to the best of the best. Id rather crappy design be 30 amazing posts than 3000 eh ones (also: see dead internet theory)
Major lurker. Usually don't even comment. Trying to comment more here, though.
I 99% lurk, 9% participate, and 1% post.
I dont mean to be a lurker but i have nothing interesting to post. All the juicy stuff in my life is stuff that id rather not make pubic.
The question seems to imply that this ratio is problematic, but it is in fact fine.
There this sense now that “being a creator” has intrinsic value, but this value is an artifact of platforms that exploit its users creations. So much so that we now have an immense amount of low quality fast food grade, in fact toxic, content. Content pollution.
So, whatever the ratio is. If you want to post post, if you want to comment comment, if you want to lurk lurk.
As long as we are all enjoying the experience, who cares?
Fair, but for lemmy to truly take off, people need to be actively posting and commenting. If people don't have interest in that, lurkers won't come.
I will post as I find communities that align with my interests. I comment where I feel I have something to say. I will lurk elsewhere.
I'm trying my hardest. I've never created a sub but now I'm creating communities, making add-ons and trying to post. Freedom here of corporate interests is awfully nice. The fediverse is expanding but we're already seeing contracting due to the influx in early June... we definitely had community sprawl. However that was expected. Many communities are doing great! It's great to see!!!
Trust me, I have zero worth to post anyways. And even if I did, someone else would have posted it well before I had chance.
Not to mention my views are often not agreed with (GIF is pronounced with a hard G and I will die on this hill!).
I only say something if I have something to say. And the larger platform gets, the harder it gets to be heard.
I'm almost always a lurker, but I feel like there's a difference when it comes to how participation occurs in fediverse communities versus the majority of mainstream social media platforms. It seems that many people here are genuinely interested in creating a space for quality discussion and healthy communities which motivates me to interact, whereas it's hard to feel like anything you come across is organically presented to you on platforms that are profit driven that aim to be as addicting as possible. All forms of social media have issues imo but this is it in one of the most accessible and least gameified, corpritizied forms
I'm mostly a lurker, pretty rarely commenting and posting even less, but I'm trying to be more active on lemmy. I just don't feel like I ever have anything interesting to contribute to any discussion.
I was def a lurker on reddit. Here I have been trying to post and comment where I can. I don't create art or anything like that, so my submission are mostly memes, discussions in niche instances, and a news article here and there.
Variants include the 1–9–90 rule (sometimes 90–9–1 principle or the 89:10:1 ratio),[1] which states that in a collaborative website such as a wiki, 90% of the participants of a community only consume content, 9% of the participants change or update content, and 1% of the participants add content.
I've heard mods say it's like that on Reddit: 1% create posts, 9% comment on posts, and the rest lurk. Many people have suggested that the people most likely to leave Reddit because of the recent issues are in that 10% of posters and commentators.
Many people have suggested that the people most likely to leave Reddit because of the recent issues are in that 10% of posters and commentators.
yes, this is my question! i feel like it is creators/participators are the most likely to see the red flags early and do something about it.
Not only that, but the website or app might be fine if all you do is scroll through posts occasionally. If you're on the site a lot and really active in creating content, it's a lot less adequate.
The new Reddit site was awful if you like browsing and making comments. It really made it apparent that they didn't want people spending their time doing that and just wanted you to move on to the next post.
For me, the discussion was the whole point of a site like Reddit. I'd get disappointed after clicking and reading an article from another source and realized there was no comment thread to look at because I didn't get there from Reddit because I always looked forward to the high quality and insightful things people had to say about it (which was kinda sarcastic regarding Reddit, though there were certainly gemstones in the rough, but might work here).
Oh and I guess that shows that I'm not really a "creator" since I just realized I could have posted those articles myself to the site if they weren't already there. 🤷
Yeah, in similar to you. In all honesty, I was also a little disappointed when I saw an interesting article posted on Reddit that I had an opinion on, but there were already thousands of comments. I always figured no one would ever get to mine, so there was no point in making one.
I also wasn't much for posting new content, but I've been trying to do that some here to help things grow.
Hmm on Reddit I mostly lurked, but on Lemmy, I actually made a community, so I quickly went from a lurker to a mod. And since the community had to have some kind of content, I had to post and be more active in replying.
Good job! People like you will really help this place grow.
I've historically been a lurker because I'm too lazy to comment most of the time. However, I've been trying to participate on Lemmy more than I did on Reddit in an effort to boost the fediverse and really turn this into the Reddit replacement that I want it to be.
Folks want to see an active community.
Look at you, getting us antisocial lurkers to reply. You clever girl, you. ;)
I'll start actually posting things when my favorite communities jump ship from Reddit. Until then I'll just lurk while occasionally commenting.
r/Imaginarymaps.
mine was !sbubby@reddit.com
I comment a lot more here than Reddit
Mostly a lurker. Can't think of things that I want to post, yet I love every piece of information that Lemmy (or better said, lemmings) offers. Will try to change that, at least through comments
FInally, something I'm in the 1% of.
There's some irony in all the comments that participate in this thread by posting "lurker"
I'm a creator on certain instances and participator/lurker in some others. I'm mostly posting events happening in my city. Discussion is sparse right now but I figure it's better to have sparse conversation than NO conversation.
Vancouver!
Just a lurker for now
All I can say is I am grateful there are fewer users on Lemmy. It's nothing like Reddit. There's less garbage to sort through. So, one percent of a smaller user population definitely makes a difference in my Lemmy life. I lurk less here than I did on Reddit, mostly because I don't have to scroll through crap as much. There's still crap, just less crap.
I'd wager early adopters tend to be more active. Probably it has something to do with the size of the community too, you don't feel like you're being drown in the noice and most people don't have that "I need my voice to be heard" impulse (I have to be fair) which drives people to actively participate in something like Reddit-size when they don't have anything particularly insightful to say.
Yeah, I rarely say anything when plenty of others are already talking. Makes rl pretty sucky when you become unwelcomed because you aren't engaging like everyone else. dies in introvert
Well, according to data from https://the-federation.info, 26.8% of Fediverse user accounts have commented or posted something in the last month. I'm not sure if I completely trust this wide-reaching dataset but it's something. Lemmy overall at its peak had 18.5% until a flood of bot accounts with no activity appeared on some open-signup servers, now it's at 3%.
Lemmy.world is sitting at 27% active user ratio, beehaw.org at 34.7%, lemmy.ca at 32.3%, lemmy.ml at 12%, sh.itjust.works at 19.2%
I only make a post or make content when I feel like something I want to make is worth it or has a point to make. Most the stuff I want to post or make has also already been done so I don't want to clog stuff up with what is a worse version of the original.
Was always a lurker on Reddit, now I’m an instance admin lol so I sort of have to comment and post often.
It feels way more a community on Lemmy though so I’m much more active than I ever was on Reddit I love it!
Similar thing with me. I wasn’t strictly a lurker, but I also never created a sub, for example — everything already kinda existed.
Here, I’ve started several communities and am trying to grow those. Plus it sometimes feels like it’s up to me to post/comment stuff that would’ve been already on Reddit by the time I got there.
And for now at least, I like kbin’s vibe better than whichever one Reddit had for the past few years. So we’ll see how it goes :)
It feels a lot more active here than in reddit at least. In reddit it was common to have posts with 5k+ upvotes and less than 100 comments.
Was a lurker before I came to lemmy, trying to change that! I just don't think of things to say.
I create stuff but I’m too afraid to share it with people online because no one wants have someone’s YouTube video shoved at them. Except I also tend to write long, pointless comments like this one, so I guess I am a creator.
Hey, I posted one whole cat picture. I'm a contributor.
I think there is a bit of a trend with social websites where initially a large amount of the original active user-base is involved in content creation, but whether through gradual growth or an "eternal September" event (I have seen both first-hand), a large influx of users generally attracts more consumers than producers. Right now I think the Fediverse is still fairly niche despite how long it has been around for, so we have a larger share of creators compared to consumers. I try and participate in making stuff where I can :)
I think right now, there are relatively more creators and contributors. The platform is still pretty new and I think most of us here want to see the platform succeed.
I basically never posted anything back on reddit and I would comment sparingly. I have definitely tried to increase my contribution to help prevent things from being empty.
I have even taken to posting articles in !linux_gaming@lemmy.world, which is now starting to see more contribution from other users, especially after 1 July.
I always lurked on Reddit because literally anything even remotely funny or relevant that could possibly be said is already instantly posted by 1000 people within seconds by the reddit hive mind. But yeah I post on kbin a lot more than reddit. Getting more into lemmy today bc kbin doesn't have any apps 💁
Consider the rise in bots would artificially inflate those usage figures
I’m a light participator. I’m looking for a community to call home, but I’m not highly social, so I don’t comment a ton. Maybe once I find the right communities to subscribe to, but for now I mostly browse all looking for new appealing communities, and comment where it might add value.
I have been way more active on Lemmy than I ever was on "the other place". And I wasn't entirely inactive there either, it was just mostly constrained to niche subs. Here I'm just commenting everywhere and relatively often.
I’ve been a long time lurker on other social media platforms, but I’ve started to try and contribute more since I’d like to see communities I like succeed. Maybe then I can go back to lurking
I am mostly lurking because I need to take the time to better understand the visibility of voting and commenting. Not that I want to be a jerk and get away with it, I've just seen bits and pieces about how user actions are not as obfuscated as they were on reddit, and I want to understand what that means in practice
It depends on the platform. For YouTube that's definitely true, but not for Instagram, Twitter, Reddit, Mastodon, Lemmy or Threads. If It's easier to create content for those platforms, users will create content for those platforms.
I'm primarily a lurker. Back on Reddit I'd create posts here and there, but I'd mostly contribute to discussion fairly often. I only had around like 28k karma from comments over the course of 11 years, so I wasn't super prolific by any means.
I miss how big the community was on Reddit at times. I'm still trying to figure Lemmy out. Trying to figure out how to make the instances work on the app can be frustrating, but I really hope to see Lemmy grow into a proper competitor and become more polished and robust. I like it so far, it shows promise.
I‘m a particilurker xD
I 100% lurk. In fact this is my first comment even though I've been using it since the time that other site started their BS with the api fees.
It's sad I have to state which site I'm talking about when I say "other site started their BS"
I just comment. I'm not a creator. I also don't appreciate people reposting stale content. It was so obnoxious on Reddit. So I don't want to be one of those posters either.
Which apps are you using? I use Liftoff and have four instances added that I regularly browse, but I'm only logged in to two (because I only have accounts on those two). I haven't had problems browsing or sharing content on the instances I'm not logged into on this app and the links open in browsers just fine without a login wall for people I share with.
I’m on Memmy and have never seen a login page through it. I do see the you’re not logged in warning on new communities on instances I’ve never been to before, but that is rarely the situation. I see more of that if I’m on the computer using the browser, but even that is getting less each time.
Ahhh, gotcha, I'm on Android and originally started with Jerboa before moving to Liftoff so I haven't gotten to try those apps yet. Yeah, that is a weird user-experience design and I'd agree they should try to change that, allowing lurking and easy sharing is an overall more pro-user design that respects our choices to try a platform before giving more info to it.
You can see content without an account. Unless it's NSFW, I guess.
Oh. I'm mainly using the browser for pretty much everything.
I think Memmy, an iOS client that released just today or yesterday, allows you to.
I think the 1% rule is true of large communities, but less so with small ones. It takes effort to find and join Lemmy, Mastodon and others, and use them, so only the most enthusiastic join at first. As it grows, the 1% rule will be even more apparent.
I don't understand why people say it takes effort to join lemmy/mastodon. The signup here was easier than Instagram or Twitter.
I signed up yesterday. You still have to use the browser.
Contributor and participator, but struggling to find niche's
I am the cat in this image.
Can you find the cat? Maybe circle the cat and re-up to a comment to help your Lemmie friends.

This sub stands out on Reddit for me, but I have no idea where it's content comes from. I actually found it via a Digg RSS link...
So I remain largely a lurker.
I'm a participator. I leave a comment every now and than. Maybe a post once a month or so.
I tend to mostly just participate by adding comments. But occasionally a create a new post/thread. So I'd say that I'm personally 85% lurk, 14% comment, 1% create/post. I tend to post in more specialized/niche forums versus the big communities. Those have lots of content already.
I'm trying to comment more but posting... lol I probably don't have that much to contribute.
I've been very post-y and very commentish since I got here. I did most of the posting in the sub I modded on reddit, and it's the same over here. I guess it would be fair to say I've been equally engaged on both platforms. (I'm only posting here now, tho.)
Do comments count? You're welcome.
I'm definitely more of a lurker, but I'm trying to be active in commenting at least. As for posting, I just don't have much to post about tbh.
Same here, I always think that I have nothing new to add to the conversation, as someone else already said it.
Not yet and as the early adopters we should contribute as much as we can while at the same time being careful not to post low quality or repetitive things.
The platform will naturally mature if it is fit to do so.
I find myself attempting to refrence reddit community names as it was the culture to link places by subreddit
I guess ill use lemmy syntax for that !ihadastroke
Yeah I suck. And the content that I used to provide on Reddit that I thought was valuable to share was just nitpicked into oblivion. It really was a toxic place.
Yes it’s night and day and I hope that it stays that way :)
Mostly Lurking as I try and learn the new space, as I get more comfortable I plan on engaging more with the community
I used to be a lurker. People can change.
Commenting a lot more here like I used to in forum days. Most of the threads I read I post in.
I tried to make a post yesterday but it stalled out.
The reason I comment more now is because I want to participate and I'm taking 'the internet' less seriously. This isn't real life.
I mean think of Hollywood or sports. Most people don't do those things but they do consume it.
I used to lurk. Still do, but used to too.
I posted carrots
Do comments count as content? If not, I think that percentage is a bit flawed, because I've read cool discussions here
I've never created a subreddit but created a magazine here! Scoping for content to help build our new home. I just figure that if you ditched reddit you're kinda obligated to pitch in on the new space, idk.
Even if you don't create a magazine, just share something interesting once in a while?
I don't think I'll ever create content, but I'm happy to try and comment on the stuff you guys create. Thats probably the most I'm capable of.
first day here, and it's too early to predict in which direction this will take off. i am hoping to create and post content around day-to-day happenings.
I hardly ever posted on Reddit but I would comment about as much as here. I'm trying to be the change I want to see in the world, so I'm posting a bit more.on the kbin.social NYC magazine (aka community). If you like or are interested in NYC, please visit and poat/comment!
It's Zipf's law, there's no reason to think Lemmy follows a different distribution.
OK, I won't lie, I hear this all the time but I'm not convinced it's true.
Are there any real statistics on it which account for bit accounts? Like, if reddit claimed that 99% of its users don't make content, my immediate thought would be "how many users are real people and how many are bots?"
Part of the reason is internet commentators are so mean to each other, and many of us users don’t want to be judged by someone? (Although extreme echo chamber is also a bad thing)
Finally, I'm a one percenter.
For all the lurkers out there, just comment something, nobody's gonna judge you.
What's the percent that comments?
I think OP is counting commenting as being a "participator". I pretty much followed the 90-9-1 rule with my 11 year reddit account (90% lurk, 9% comment, 1% post) and likely will do the same here. I was always very diligent up/downvoting things based on value and reporting violations at reddit though, which I think gets calculated into their engagement metrics, unlike at Lemmy if I am not mistaken.
Commenting should be considered contribution.
People use reddit (and hopefully Lemmy) and not just a news aggrigator because people value the comments and discourse on content as much or sometimes more than the content itself. (Granted - this may be subject specific)
Well, I've never posted (yet), but commented a few times. More than on reddit, certainly! But overall, I do think that rule is going to hold. It creeps up all over the place. At this stage, I think it is just human nature at work and, as such, almost inevitable.
I'd say partway between participator and lurker. Sometimes I just don't really have a lot to say.
That's what I'm struggling with too. I was far more likely to reply than post top level comments on posts. Something I need to push past.
1% rule: most people lurk, do you??
Me: 😶🌫️
I'm a lurker. Sometimes a participator. Rarely a creator.
And the .1% who create good content get 99% of the shit/harassment form the lurkers and the .9% who create shitty content.
Definitely participator, but I have some ideas for contributing some day. I just don't want to share other stuff that's online, I'd rather share my research into a given topic and what conclusions I drew that might help people. I want to publish works here, not really other stuff on the internet.
Not sure if Lemmy is the place for that though, given how it's a link aggregator. People posted their works on Reddit so I'd say it's good enough to post stuff like that here
I was a lurker/participator on reddit but am more active on Lemmy -- I created community !ultralight@lemmy.world
A jack of all trades, but master of none
Please come to https://lemmy.world/c/frogs!
I‘m a participator I guess, I tend to comment random thoughts. I don‘t think I do it much more on here than on Reddit, the excitement of a new thing has worn off and now it feels about the same level of engagement.
Reddit has spoiled me😭
I don't think I have anything of value to post but I try to comment at least.
Do cat & beer pics = "creator"? That's me.
very cool! i bike commute myself and after some thru hikes i've tried to get rid of a lot of my stuff, with only some effectiveness. it's better to not buy it in the first place. do you know where you're moving to?
by creator do you mean shitposter?
Surely a participator. I try to make usefula nd interesting comments. I will post when I have something worth saying/doing.
But, I'm not making memes or whatever constantly.
I would like to put together a bit for a sub, but I haven't made the time yet.
I'm part of the 10%.
I think because it's a rather new platform for many people, they behave differently. Some are getting used to Lemmy and are not posting as much, while some are more enthusiastic.
Overall I'd say it will be pretty much the same in the long run
Mostly lurker and sometimes participator.
En français https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A8gle_du_1_%25
Très intéressant.
I used to almost never post on reddit, but on here I have been posting OC content, commenting and I have even created a community (https://lemmy.world/c/cancer)
Is there a way we can measure this? I’m genuinely curious what the numbers are.
I would have thought there’s a disproportionately larger number of creators here than other sites as I feel like it’s the creators that were more impacted by Reddit’s api changes than the lurkers… but seeing all the “I’m a lurker” comments in this thread makes me question that hypothesis.
The last days i was more of a lurker because i have a lot of stuff to do. But when i have more time i plan to visit a lost place that i could not find with searches. I only found that because two of my friends ignored each other. I think at some time they did it for fun but it really annoyed me.
Except that i cant find anything about it it is not very interesting. More like 3 old floors and a room where they meet. The floors are not even in different directions.
Upvoting lurker.
Someone make a Unreal Engine lemstance and I'll shit post everyday about blueprints being the future of programming and how nanite still doesn't work with translucent materials
I comment am I important now 😭
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I'm a lurker, but I'm going to try to participation more.
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