TRUMP GUILTY ON ALL 34 COUNTS

2 years ago by TheDudeV2 to c/news

The 12 New Yorkers have reached a unanimous decision in the first criminal trial of a former US president.
LEDZeppelin 673 points 2 years ago

Now watch the Republican Party of “Law and Order”nominate a convicted felon to be the next president

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iAmTheTot 283 points 2 years ago

You have to understand that this isn't ironic to them. To them, this was not a legitimate trial and trumped up charges, if you'll pardon the pun.

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ashok36 128 points 2 years ago

The guy behind me that watches fox news all day because "he needs something to help him focus" immediately started spouting fox talking points as soon as the verdict was read. My younger coworkers were like, "no way, that's crazy" to all his bs. I just had to say, "no that's not true. I read the jury instructions and they don't say that." He moved onto insisting there was no evidence and Cohen perjured himself and at that point I was already on my way out the door.

He's Gen x, a landlord, new York exile, classic gabagool. Ugh.

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gregorum 94 points 2 years ago

Maybe the phrase “trumped up charges” will have new meaning after today

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thisbenzingring 77 points 2 years ago

It's like when you're guilty of 34 felonies but still pretend you're innocent to scam idiots

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Gigasser 30 points 2 years ago

An image for your enjoyment

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bitchkat 24 points 2 years ago

You could say his lawyers really trumped the case.

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shovingleopardnsfw 46 points 2 years ago

All the other kids with the trumped up charges better run better run faster than my verdicts

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psycho_driver 26 points 2 years ago

I'm hoping the "playing the trump card" will morph into meaning you're a lying, cheating piece of trash that should be taken outside and tarred and feathered.

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newthrowaway20 10 points 2 years ago

Trumped up charges, meaning lots and lots of verifiable and provable charges.

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ImADifferentBird 51 points 2 years ago

That's because his supporters worship him as a new messiah and cannot conceive of him having actually committed a crime. Or they don't care if he did or not.

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Neato 30 points 2 years ago

To his supporters there isn't a legitimate trial.

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Soundhole 24 points 2 years ago

I think you're right, none of this matters to them.They have their judges in place and everything is set up for Jan 6 II, Coup Boogaloo (but this time it will be 'legal').

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SeabassDan 4 points 2 years ago

pardon

heh

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Randelung 2 points 2 years ago

Heh, pardon.

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CasualPenguin 79 points 2 years ago

Don't forget their party of "family values" and "religious morals" candidate who slept with a porn star while his wife was recovering from giving birth to their child

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credo 74 points 2 years ago

They were locker room felonies.

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modifier 32 points 2 years ago

You know, on balance though, I think I'm glad that being a convicted felon doesn't preclude one from being elected president. I've gone back and forth on it a lot, but I think it is for the best.

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bloodfart 465 points 2 years ago

To find out what rules he broke for each guilty verdict, search “trump rule 34”

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TropicalDingdong 455 points 2 years ago

Count #1: Guilty

Count #2: Guilty

Count #3: Guilty

Count #4: Guilty

Count #5: Guilty

Count #6: Guilty

Count #7: Guilty

Count #8: Guilty

Count #9: Guilty

Count #10: Guilty

Count #11: Guilty

Count #12: Guilty

Count #13: Guilty

Count #14: Guilty

Count #15: Guilty

Count #16: Guilty

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DirkMcCallahan 428 points 2 years ago

When the GOP sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are convicted felons.

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Ioughttamow 327 points 2 years ago

Can’t do the time, don’t do the crime. Get fucked you piece of shit

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pearsaltchocolatebar 272 points 2 years ago

I have doubts he will do any time.

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Ioughttamow 136 points 2 years ago

I can dream. I guess there’s some consolation to his mind slowly becoming his prison. If anyone deserves dementia, it’s this traitor

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HonkTonkWoman 92 points 2 years ago

Asshole kept comparing himself to Capone…

Let’s give him what he wants!

Sentence his ass to 11 years & a roaring case of neurosyphilis.

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Boozilla 36 points 2 years ago
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Chocrates 17 points 2 years ago

Each count has a maximum of 1 - 4 years of prison apparently. Usually that is served concurrently, but he is technically a first time felon so I doubt he is going to do any time at all.

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Case 2 points 2 years ago

Something tells me the latter has already occurred.

Those spirochetes are leaving hole like a cork screw in his brain.

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StaySquared -1 points 2 years ago

It's.. 4 years maximum.

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khannie 36 points 2 years ago

I happened to be in my mother's house when she called me to look at it live and there was zero mention on CNN of whether or not he would serve time over it. Sentencing in July.

Anyone know likelihood of jail time?

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TropicalDingdong 69 points 2 years ago

Cohen got jail time for this crime.

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AFKBRBChocolate 69 points 2 years ago

This needs to be brought up every damned time this subject comes up. Cohen served time for the exact same crime - so what argument is there that Trump shouldn't?

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Buffalox 34 points 2 years ago

100%, how is this not more significant when people guess whether or not Trump will serve time? Cohen got jail time for this, and he turned himself in, and cooperated.

Trump did nothing redeeming, and he was the guy giving the orders, how is it even conceivable that Trump should be punished less?

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disguy_ovahea 12 points 2 years ago

He did not. Cohen pleaded guilty to 5 counts of tax evasion (class B felony), one count of making false statements to a federally insured bank (class C felony), one count of causing an unlawful corporate contribution (class D felony) , one count of making an excessive campaign contribution (class D felony).

https://www.justice.gov/...

Trump was convicted of 34 counts of falsifying business records (class E felony).

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ricecake 30 points 2 years ago

If one is being objective and not paying attention to his former job or publicity, he's a first time offender convicted of non-violent offenses with a business footprint that makes him low risk for probation violation.
He would also place a burden on the penal system if incarcerated, and his current state of having round the clock law enforcement presence further lowers the likelihood that he goes to prison.

On the flip side, he has done a lot to actively antagonize the person who will be mostly in charge of his fate, and he's got a good month to build a body of evidence that says he'll immediately disrespect probation.

So almost certainly not, but it's not as close to zero as you would expect for a former president.

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AFKBRBChocolate 35 points 2 years ago

Cohen got prison time for the same exact crime, also a first offense. To my mind, being a former president should make them hold to to a higher standard, not a lesser one.

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fine_sandy_bottom 3 points 2 years ago

What about the risk of recidivism though?

Pretty clear that he will do exactly the same thing again.

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timewarp -2 points 2 years ago
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sanguinepar 17 points 2 years ago

Slim chance. It's his first offence (first conviction anyway) and a non violent crime. Can't see the judge jailing him, especially given the logistics involved with the Secret Service having to protect him.

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mosiacmango 60 points 2 years ago

Cohen served time for this exact same crime in the exact same state. I think he was sentenced to 3 years and did 1.5 due to covid early release. That was also his first felony.

It's fully possible he gets jail time.

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Montagge 20 points 2 years ago

Maybe convicted ex presidents shouldn't get secret service protection

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thirteene 13 points 2 years ago

My understanding is that we will see an appeal before sentencing on July 11th. If that is not successful, then he will get anything from a slap on the wrist to jail time. Sentencing is likely going to hinge on if he remains the lead Republican candidate. Jail time is going to have a lot of custom rules and exeptions that we are unprepared for; primarily secret secret protection.

https://www.cbc.ca/... conviction section

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Skullgrid 4 points 2 years ago

Sentencing is likely going to hinge on if he remains the lead Republican candidate

AFAIK no one is left

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snooggums 3 points 2 years ago

Sentencing is likely going to hinge on if he remains the lead Republican candidate.

While you are probably right, that is fucking stupid.

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pearsaltchocolatebar 3 points 2 years ago

I mean, SS protection should be pretty easy if he's locked in an 8x10 cell.

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timewarp -1 points 2 years ago
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Chocrates 12 points 2 years ago

Npr reporter said that each count has a maximum of 1 - 4 years in jail but usually served concurrently and the judge apparently already made a comment about jail time is not a guarantee or something. I am betting another useless fine and maybe some probation.

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dhork 11 points 2 years ago

Don't underestimate the effect of "maybe some probation". Having to check in with some probation officer on a regular basis (and probably pee in a cup each time, I'm not sure whether NY mandates that) will be super humiliating for him. Plus, I bet that the period on probation will be much longer than any prison sentence, and will extend through the election.

Plus, in the event he still wins, I doubt NYC really cares. They will keep making him pee in that cup until his probation is over.

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SulaymanF 1 point 2 years ago

I’d bet against your claim. He’s remorseless and antagonizing the judge with so many comments and contempt charges. I’m expecting a Martha Stewart sentence of 5 months (sort of low end of range of jail sentences, so the judge can show he’s being fair), maybe suspended until appeals.

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Ioughttamow 4 points 2 years ago

I’m not counting on jail time (though I can dream!). Just parroting an oft used law and order conservative catchphrase

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Burstar 2 points 2 years ago

He could simply get parole, but if he does get any Jail time it will be delayed until his defence team have exhausted their appeals. Definitely won't see jail before the election sadly.

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NuXCOM_90Percent -4 points 2 years ago

Basically zero. Even if it wasn't a political/social crisis to put him in prison, he is a white guy who did a non-violent crime.

The most he would get would be house arrest. Which he would instantly violate.

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dragontamer 13 points 2 years ago

What, like Martha Stewart?

White pepo go to jail all the time, even elderly, grandmotherly types.

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SupraMario 8 points 2 years ago

He won't, rules for me and you, not for the ruling class.

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Maggoty 2 points 2 years ago

They already let him leave. He's not setting foot in a blue state again either ever, or until after he takes office. Depending on the election.

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StaySquared 0 points 2 years ago

I imagine that if the judge puts him in jail, preventing him from being elected as president, there's going to be a lot of shtf. And by a lot, I mean across the entire country.

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wolfpack86 1 point 2 years ago

Sentence him to two months to be served from November 15 to January 15.

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retrospectology 0 points 2 years ago

Maybe not, but it still sets a nice precedent that there is no magical spall-trap that will be spring if we convict a former president of crimes.

Now it just needs to be done for something he did in office.

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lettruthout 55 points 2 years ago

Some other Lemmy commenter suggested community service instead of jail time.
There's something very appealing about the prospect of Trump, in a high-vis vest, picking up trash along the side of the freeway.

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kofe 29 points 2 years ago

Yes, the sentencing ranges from probation to 4 years in prison. Given this is his first conviction and he's a former president, I assume probation will be given. Though, he's still under a gag order afaik...so if he violates that or probation somehow, maybe brief house arrest?

I definitely want pictures of him picking up trash with the secret service hanging around, at the very least

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lightnsfw 15 points 2 years ago

He's already violated the gag order like 15 times and nothing's happened.

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trbleclef 5 points 2 years ago

Is that 4 years per count or what?

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baggachipz 2 points 2 years ago

No. Up to 4 years TOTAL. What a joke

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catloaf 1 point 2 years ago

Yes, each count is an individual felony.

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psoul 1 point 2 years ago

From Four Seasons Total Landscaping to the side of the freeway. I hope they find Rudy to send with him.

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timewarp 0 points 2 years ago
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Num10ck 5 points 2 years ago

he would turn it into a publicity stunt fiasco

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captainlezbian 2 points 2 years ago

Ok but while the secret service would hate jail for him, that’s something they literally have 0 capacity to protect him during

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venusaur 12 points 2 years ago

Says he’ll likely just pay a fine. “Can afford the fine, can do the crime” is more like it.

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randon31415 4 points 2 years ago

|Get fucked!

Rule of 34 charges.

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sudo42 318 points 2 years ago

An earlier article said the Trump team was hoping for a hung jury.

Guilty all 34 counts.

Certainly was a hung jury. Hung like a horse!

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sanguinepar 224 points 2 years ago

Holy shit.

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disguy_ovahea 140 points 2 years ago

In NY, even if he’s sentenced to prison, it’s up to the judge’s discretion whether he has to report to prison while awaiting appeal…and we all know he’s going to appeal.

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Neato 97 points 2 years ago

Well here's hoping this judge is tired enough of Trump's shit.

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Semi_Hemi_Demigod 63 points 2 years ago

Something something historic trial something decorum something tradition and that's why he'll walk free.

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Aphelion 36 points 2 years ago
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ameancow 0 points 2 years ago
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IphtashuFitz 14 points 2 years ago

I really wonder if the judge will call out Trumps behavior, the multiple gag order violations, etc. and use all that to justify a harsher sentence. One can only hope…

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cyborganism 25 points 2 years ago

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randomaccount43543 24 points 2 years ago

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khannie 24 points 2 years ago

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Nurse_Robot 23 points 2 years ago

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Dave 16 points 2 years ago

He was a former president. The prosecution would never have gone to trial without a watertight case.

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sanguinepar 5 points 2 years ago

Sure, but I still didn't expect the jury to be unanimous and especially not on all counts. Glad they were though :-)

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GiddyGap -1 points 2 years ago

He'll appeal.

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suction 1 point 2 years ago

Doesn’t mean he’ll get what he wants though

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stevedidwhat_infosec 176 points 2 years ago

LOCK HIM UP

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Gullible 157 points 2 years ago
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Zorsith 156 points 2 years ago

For more details, google "trump ruling 34"

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ryan213 153 points 2 years ago

Do you guys think this matters to his voters/supporters?

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NeptuneOrbit 209 points 2 years ago

Some undecideds, sure. It only takes ten thousand voters in a couple swing states to change the outcome.

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TropicalDingdong 55 points 2 years ago

I mean, that could have been the difference in the 2016 election.

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dudinax 70 points 2 years ago

Remember when Clinton lost the election because the FBI didn't find anything on her assistant's laptop?

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TropicalDingdong 73 points 2 years ago

I mean she could have spent a weekend in Michigan. That was an unforced error.

She could have addressed her relationship with Goldman Sachs, and all the other banks that fucked over the entirety of the American people during the housing crisis that she earned millions upon millions giving "speeches" to.

She could have made an olive branch to the progressive caucus.

She could have not said "Sit down and shut up" to BLM activists.

There are a lot of things she could have done.

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barsquid 4 points 2 years ago

Voters decided against her for mishandling classified documents, right? So these same voters, who think things through with consistency and integrity, will decide against someone who stole boxes of documents and got CIA agents killed selling state secrets to Russia, right?

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samus12345 0 points 2 years ago

Trying to run for president while having two X chromosomes was a massive error on her part as well.

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kibiz0r 45 points 2 years ago

It blows my mind that anyone can still be undecided in 2024.

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LibertyLizard 13 points 2 years ago

Lot of people don’t pay any attention to politics. Yes, even in this climate.

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AmidFuror 74 points 2 years ago

Everyone talks about his base as an unmoving monolith. But to get elected, he needs more than his base. He needs the fence sitters. Many of these people may be very ill informed about all the corruption in his original administration and his business dealings. This result will make a big difference to them because it's simple to understand. He's a convicted felon.

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khannie 27 points 2 years ago

34 times no less.

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fine_sandy_bottom 4 points 2 years ago

This. There's a lot of components to his base.

This is not a good outcome for his campaign.

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sanguinepar 46 points 2 years ago

To many of them, no. To some who would have voted for him, maybe yes.

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TropicalDingdong 25 points 2 years ago

I'm making a called shot of a drop into the 40's for July's polling.

He wont' drop below 25%, ever. That's his core. They may never support another candidate again.

However, dropping to high 30's low 40's only puts Trump back to par with Biden. Hardly a W, but at lease Biden would be back in the running.

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Semi_Hemi_Demigod 15 points 2 years ago

They may never support another candidate again.

Don't do that. Don't give me hope.

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TropicalDingdong 12 points 2 years ago

I mean it in a "There are still people who think gamestop is going to be a billion dollar stock" manner.

See: https://lemmy.world/c/gamestopstock

Cult/ Cargo cult level "They will never support another candidate again" is what I mean. They'll write him in. They'll have wild conspiracy theories. Not need to push. It will happen it on its own.

I would guess its around 25-30% of Republican voters. Its the conspiracy theory mind-set cutting backwards against those that seed it. There is no undoing this.

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nickhammes 11 points 2 years ago

I suspect some people will mental gymnastics themselves into thinking this isn't a serious crime, and stipulating an abstract 'serious crime' yields more extreme results than we'll see as a result of this verdict.

But a few percentage point swing in a few key states is enough to ensure a Biden victory, so it may be enough.

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kandoh 3 points 2 years ago

The fact of the matter is for a lot of white Americans it's either support the republican nominee or those scary minorities will take over. To them, a white criminal is preferable to what they see as guliable saps at best or race traitors at worst.

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eestileib 3 points 2 years ago

That's before Facebook and Fox News kicks in though.

They can rewrite people's brains.

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kromem 1 point 2 years ago

The end of the article after discussing the failure of the impeachment of Clinton to actually change polls despite a difference in the hypothetical poll question before it occurred:

“It’s possible for people to say a conviction would change their minds, but when/if [a conviction] happens, it’s possible (even likely) that it won’t matter at all."

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foggy 29 points 2 years ago

I think "all 34 counts" is more meaningful than 33 out 34 or anything less.

Any truly room temperature IQ folks out there can maybe see the light. Maybe.

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Classy 9 points 2 years ago

Or they see it as "See? The courts are obviously corrupted. Not even one count was innocent? There's no way he committed THAT much crime."

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nbailey 21 points 2 years ago

Anecdotal… we drove through rural Ohio a few weeks ago. In several hours of travel we only saw ONE trump sign. The same place in 2016 or 2020 would have been full of them. Regardless of the impact of this, the enthusiasm is dead. There might be “maga guys” on Twitter but they’re largely disengaged in real life.

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Daze 13 points 2 years ago

Can confirm the other way around; Saw one sign in all of Iowa. None in Nebraska. It was pleasant aside from all the Jesus/Abortion signage lol

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dual_sport_dork 10 points 2 years ago

I rode the MABDR last week which for me involves traveling through a wide swath of rural Pennsylvania. Nearly all of the Trump paraphernalia is gone from people's yards. I used to see hundreds of Trump signs and flags, confederate flags, the works. Now there are only a few dedicated nutters left. They know who they are.

  1. The Stan Clark Military Books store on 30 west of Gettysburg that has a massive "Don't Blame Us, We Voted For Trump/Pence" sign (notably, still including Pence!) right out front of their business. Here it is on Street View. As an extra slap in the face, this is right on the edge of the Gettysburg battlefield and memorial.
  2. The twerp in Biglerville who has his tiny front yard fenced off with chicken wire and used to have a life sized Trump mannequin in his lawn dressed up in propaganda T-shirts all the time. I thought for sure he moved since all was subdued there for a few months last year, but now he's got all kinds of Trump and alt-right flags all over his lawn and porch. His place was looking comparatively tame last year.
  3. The marquee on what I assume is the old bank building in Red Lion which has a marquee on it that reads "If Biden is the answer, how stupid was the question?" Street View link here.. The sides of it read "Frauds of 2020" and "Pause for enlightenment."
  4. The guy on 896 just south of Ninepoints with the giant "Trump Not Bought Or Sold" sign (except by the Russians, of course). He has another massive sign next to it with some anti-Biden thing on it but I can't remember what it says offhand. Alas, his Street View photo was apparently taken in 2019 which was before the signs went up.

The remainder of these dillweeds seem to be... curiously silent compared to previously. It's kind of weird.

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kandoh 8 points 2 years ago

If you sneak into their safe spaces online you can definitely tell they are unmotivated compared to 4-8 years ago.

They liked Trump because he bullied others publicly. They don't want to side with the guy currently getting bullied, goes against their survival instinct.

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negativenull 4 points 2 years ago

I was just in South Arkansas for a few days, and only saw one flag, and no bumper stickers for trump

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captainlezbian 3 points 2 years ago

I drove there a few hours ago and saw like 4. But that’s definitely less than even last year

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Juvyn00b 2 points 2 years ago

All the people in my development that had them up still have the signs from 2020 going strong... It's still pretty split from talking with neighbors. One person near me is in business selling heavy equipment and they're looking forward to trump because they feel they sell more equipment when republicans are in office. I guess that's a viewpoint.... For sure.

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Zaktor 6 points 2 years ago

Wait... But Biden passed a massive infrastructure law. There's a lot of people who could feel like he didn't really do anything to improve their economic outlook, but a guy who sells heavy equipment shouldn't be one of them.

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afraid_of_zombies 4 points 2 years ago

Happened to me. We got one of those contracts and I got a pretty respectable raise

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Boozilla 20 points 2 years ago
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eestileib 10 points 2 years ago

Swing voters either dgaf about Gaza or are in favor of what Israel is doing. Gaza hurts Biden with his base.

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barsquid 8 points 2 years ago

Anyone who gives a shit about Gaza probably should try to ensure the country doesn't elect a Muslim Ban guy who wants to accelerate the genocide and deport anyone protesting it.

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suction 4 points 2 years ago

Fuck off to Nick Fuentes then.

FYI: Those leftists are right wing trolls under a false flag, exactly like those “Biden takes 100% blame for Israel’s every action” guys. They come from /pol and Telegram.

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someguy3 14 points 2 years ago path: 0 10355833 10356889, hotness: undefined, score: 14, children: 1
afraid_of_zombies -1 points 2 years ago

I wonder how many of those 1 in 6 just want the fighting to stop instead of caring about either side.

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ulkesh 10 points 2 years ago

This matters to intelligent, educated, and critically-thinking people. So, no, it doesn’t matter to his sycophants.

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Empricorn 8 points 2 years ago

Doubt it, but I don't care. They are basically a cult at this point, no rational thought.

This matters to everyone else. And it could keep him from being president again.

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return2ozma 6 points 2 years ago

It emboldens his supporters because they believe the "deep state", "witch hunt", "Democrats paid off the jury" etc according to social media now.

I could see Biden dropping out of the debate also saying "I don't debate felons".

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macarthur_park 25 points 2 years ago

I doubt Biden would use this as an excuse to drop out of the debate. His campaign thinks the debate will help him more than Trump, and they’re probably right. Outside of his diehard supporters and people keeping up with politics, most voters haven’t heard Trump speak at length since the end of his presidency. The debate is an opportunity to remind them how fucking weird he is.

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Stovetop 5 points 2 years ago
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ameancow 4 points 2 years ago
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baggachipz -1 points 2 years ago

I wish you were right. I live in Trumpistan and this will only make people like him more. The only way we can stop this madness is actually have him in an actual jail. Even then I’m not so sure.

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suction 2 points 2 years ago

They can only vote once. At least until Trump wins because from then on we’ll have elections Russia-style.

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cactusupyourbutt 3 points 2 years ago

matter to them? yeah of course

Im expecting another insurrection soon..

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suction 2 points 2 years ago

Maybe this time the government will send riot police instead of doormen

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suction 2 points 2 years ago

Does it matter if it matters to them? They are beyond the pale since years.

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BurningnnTree 1 point 2 years ago

I think this will only strengthen his core supporters because they'll view him as a martyr. It might push away some people on the fence. But I think the martyrdom angle and the increased media spotlight could pull some people back in. Personally I think it probably won't make a difference overall. All publicity is good publicity.

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RagnarokOnline 10 points 2 years ago

Martyrs gotta die

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yarr 1 point 2 years ago

Some of them yes, some of them no.

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samus12345 1 point 2 years ago

Not many, but perhaps enough to make a difference in the handful of swing states.

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jonne -1 points 2 years ago

Nope, it's just going to be more proof that he's the guy to take on the 'deep state' and so on in their minds.

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Cold_Brew_Enema -1 points 2 years ago

Nah. I could see this actually being a positive to his brain-dead supporters.

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itsgroundhogdayagain -4 points 2 years ago
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TheDudeV2 10 points 2 years ago

That isn't true though. Most convicted felons can't vote, but they can run for office.

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cowfodder 10 points 2 years ago

Except they can. Can't vote depending on the crime and the state, but can totally hold office.

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TropicalDingdong 0 points 2 years ago

Pretty sure felons can't vote in Florida.

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Kaboom -9 points 2 years ago

It emboldens them because he already painted himself the victim, the outsider. He literally called it a witch hunt.

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Jakdracula 138 points 2 years ago

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nyctre 116 points 2 years ago

Holy crap... Did you guys read the bottom bit about Georgia voters?

"Another man Bob, playing with his bluegrass band outside a café, was more sure. He wanted a positive outcome for Donald Trump and said a conviction would not change his mind. What would?

“If he was convicted of murder, I'd be like that's not a guy I want to go for!” "

Not surprised, tbh, but I still find it ridiculous to read.

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3volver 112 points 2 years ago

Good now that he's a convicted felon he can't run for president just like you can't vote, right? ...right? Fuck this system.

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archomrade 105 points 2 years ago

I'll personally donate $100 to the DNC (i'm poor leave me alone) if Hilary goes to every campaign stop chanting 'lock him up'

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Willie 104 points 2 years ago

Ready for nothing to happen?

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dohpaz42 127 points 2 years ago

To be fair, I’d never thought he’d get this far. So maybe, just maybe, at least in an alternate universe, justice will actually be served. 🤞

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proudblond 17 points 2 years ago

I was about to ask if I could be transferred to that alternate universe, but maybe I’d actually like to be transferred to one where 2016 went drastically differently.

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LilDumpy 11 points 2 years ago

You are allowed, but in that universe you must actually PokémonGO to the polls.

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ulkesh 4 points 2 years ago

Please, no. Nope. No. NO!

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Grandwolf319 4 points 2 years ago

If only we didn’t shoot that gorilla…

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dohpaz42 1 point 2 years ago

Have you seen the directors cut of butterfly effect? Yeah, I’d like that ending in my alternate universe.

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RampantParanoia2365 1 point 2 years ago

Yeah that sounds easier.

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Wrench 1 point 2 years ago

We are the alternate universe that's stupidly fucked up.

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KrankyKong 19 points 2 years ago

The article says that a fine is more likely than prison time. So he'll sell a few more hats, collect some donations from his base, and be good to go.

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samus12345 5 points 2 years ago

Best case scenario, it takes money that could have been spent on his campaign away.

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Bumblefumble 2 points 2 years ago

Well, he's not paying until the appeals process is over, which presumably will go way into the next presidential term.

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samus12345 2 points 2 years ago

Ah, good point. So, it just takes away money from rubes.

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fine_sandy_bottom 5 points 2 years ago

I feel silly to have to say this but you're fucking kidding me right?

My justice bones lasted all of 10 minutes.

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Dkarma 2 points 2 years ago

On a 34 felony count conviction?

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suction 1 point 2 years ago

Everything that needed to happen already happened.

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Yerbouti 0 points 2 years ago
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mrmhm 0 points 2 years ago

This is going to get punted through appeals and yeah, nothing of substance is going to happen

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MoonJellyfish 101 points 2 years ago

I'm googling "Trump rule 34" but can't find anything related to his trial. Can you link some relevant article?

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FlyingSquid 101 points 2 years ago

Wait... this thread hasn't been Rikered yet? Just the other one? That gets fixed now.

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randon31415 99 points 2 years ago

Trump's civil trials: Half a billion in fines, lost ability to do business in New York.

Trump's Jan 6 Federal case: stuck with SCOTUS deciding on presidential immunity by looking at polls in September.

Trump's Stolent document case: postponed until an inept judge can figure out how to have a trial where one of the exhibits is "stolen plans to assassinat all current world leaders: CIA, do not distribute" without all world leaders catching wind.

Trump's Georga interference case: Trying to get the other 10 defendants guilty before going after Trump

This was the only case that could have given him prison time before the election. Let's see the judge screw it up.

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DontRedditMyLemmy 99 points 2 years ago

In a row? Try not to commit any more felonies on your way to the parking lot!

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Jakdracula 86 points 2 years ago

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LordOfLocksley 84 points 2 years ago

This is only going to be considered by the swing voters come the election.

Die hard Trumpers will double down. Die hard Republicans would never vote for a Democrat, so better a felon than a Liberal. Die hard Democrats would never have voted for him anyway.

People who flip between the two parties now have another thing to consider when casting their votes, and only their internal compass will direct them to Trump or Biden

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moon 83 points 2 years ago

Sweet, but let me know when anything actually comes of it.

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Juice 83 points 2 years ago

I think the best we can hope for is house arrest, which would still be really good since he couldn't campaign. I doubt he will go to prison even though it would be amazing and hilarious to see him in those paper thin orange prison jump suits. He could be roommates with Nicholas Tartaglione, but I can only get so optimistic

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catloaf 72 points 2 years ago

Sentencing isn't until July 11th, and he's still going to appeal. I don't have high hopes for seeing him in prison before the election.

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BigMacHole 70 points 2 years ago

I'm a Pro Life Law And Order Republican who DEFENDS MASS SHOOTERS like Kyle Rittenhouse and I FULLY SUPPORT CONVICTED CRIMINAL DONALD J TRUMP!

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Wahots 67 points 2 years ago path: 0 10358170, hotness: undefined, score: 67, children: 0
Rekorse 62 points 2 years ago

Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene blasted the "SHAM trial" on X. "You don't see this level of corruption in a banana republic", she wrote, directing people to a Trump fundraiser.

I don't know I've seen such a direct example of, " I'm saying this so that you will give us money", as this in a while.

Why are people so happy to be part of a scam? What do they expect their money will do? Is it a metric republicans use to compare to each other? 🤷

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chemical_cutthroat 55 points 2 years ago

I have never read a headline that connected with me on such a deeply visceral level.

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Zipitydew 12 points 2 years ago

Kissenger finally dying was close. Probably be similar for me when Cheney, Gingrich and McConnell go too.

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chemical_cutthroat 5 points 2 years ago

When McConnell bites it, I'm walking out of the kitchen at work and into the bar and buying everyone a round, along with myself. That will truly be a day of celebration.

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Akasazh 1 point 2 years ago

For me that was when Ruth Bader Ginsberg died in the last year of Trump's presidency, what an awful day.

This headline heals s tiny bit of that wound.

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Nfamwap 54 points 2 years ago

I am so happy

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hoss 3 points 2 years ago

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FlyingSquid 52 points 2 years ago

The whole front page of c/news is going to be just this story, isn't it?

I'm not complaining, I'm just saying...

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JowlesMcGee 34 points 2 years ago

Expect to see memes about it too in other communities. This'll be the front page of most fediverse instances in some fashion for the rest of the day I imagine

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Semi-Hemi-Demigod 31 points 2 years ago

The top post in music is Alice Cooper's "Guilty"

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TachyonTele 5 points 2 years ago

The front page of All was filled with it immediately lol

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djsoren19 48 points 2 years ago

What happens to the jury now? I almost wonder if they need something equivalent to witness protection, or at a bare minimum some protection from the state of New York. MAGA is a terrorist organization that preaches swift, bloody retribution against dissidents. I don't know if basic juror anonymity will be enough to protect all of them.

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DoctorButts 47 points 2 years ago

Sentencing on July 11

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khannie 15 points 2 years ago

The whole flippin' world will be watching that live.

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samus12345 4 points 2 years ago

It'll be some fines that he'll pay for by grifting his cult.

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Teal 8 points 2 years ago

And watch me break 'em with the 7, 7-11, 7-11, 7, even back do’ lil joe.

Folks…

Today was a good day.

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Blackmist 41 points 2 years ago

Anyone expecting much more than a small fine that he won't pay anyway, followed by him pardoning himself in January?

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BurnSquirrel 36 points 2 years ago

I FELL TO MY KNEES IN THE BASS PRO SHOP PARKING LOT!

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anticurrent 34 points 2 years ago

How will republicans react to this ? is civil unrest brewing up ?

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gex 32 points 2 years ago

The average US president has been convicted of 0.73 felonies

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Semi-Hemi-Demigod 31 points 2 years ago

Well that didn't take long.

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Glowstick 28 points 2 years ago

Same thing happened with his other trials. A fast verdict from the jury means the case was completely air-tight solid to the jurors. He was so clearly guilty that there was nothing to even discuss

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Wahots 10 points 2 years ago

They still discussed it for 10 hours. That's a pretty decent amount of time. And requested transcripts from previous portions of the trial, too.

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Glowstick 9 points 2 years ago

True, but it's still quite quick. In fact IMO having a few hours of deliberation is probably a good thing for the country, because now they can't say the verdict came back so quickly that it proves it must've been rigged. I'm sure they'll still say it was rigged anyway, but they won't be able to point to a 5 minute deliberation as supposed evidence

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distantsounds 31 points 2 years ago

Today is a good day

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ripcord 1 point 2 years ago

Absolutely.

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UmeU 28 points 2 years ago

Wake me up when this piece of shit is dead or in prison.

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ZealousSealion 28 points 2 years ago

This stinks! Oh sorry, I'm on the toilet. The verdict is actually quite welcome.

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TachyonTele 27 points 2 years ago

We can start calling him 34 now.

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AirDevil 26 points 2 years ago

My favorite part about the aftermath of this is that Convicted Felon Trump won't be able to vote for himself in the election 🥰

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 24 points 2 years ago

34 down, 58 to go?

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Darkard 24 points 2 years ago

I wonder if he will try to run, wouldn't that be funny

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Churbleyimyam 23 points 2 years ago

Enough power to make the law having broken the law, and enough incompetence to have not covered your tracks.

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chumbalumber 23 points 2 years ago

Poggers moment

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veniasilente 22 points 2 years ago

Pfff the only thing achieved so far is speaking that he's guilty. Of (of all things) not disclosing payment for sex. No prison, no drop from the ballot, so far nothing that's actually useful.

I think that the best immediate thing that will come from this will be Trump rule 34 fanart. Or, who knows, I might be mistaken already...

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bradorsomething 22 points 2 years ago

I’m hoping for 30 days in jail starting after the republican nomination.

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chronicledmonocle 18 points 2 years ago

So glad to see he finally achieved his dreams of winning the popular vote.

He should go out and celebrate this victory. Maybe he could buy himself a new suit. I hear prison orange is in style at the moment.

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gibmiser 16 points 2 years ago

Get fucked fraudster!

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Aurenkin 15 points 2 years ago

You're guilty all the same

Too sick to be ashamed

You want to point your finger

But there's no one else to blame

There's no one else to blame

Guilty all the same

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Baphomet_The_Blasphemer 15 points 2 years ago

I'm predicting the sentence right now... maximum fine of $170k, no jail time, and probably some form of probation... yay for justice.

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Eyck_of_denesle 14 points 2 years ago

Arrest this thug

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Sunnydmess 14 points 2 years ago

Does this mean he can't vote for himself in Florida?

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Tier1BuildABear 14 points 2 years ago

So what does this mean for Trump, does he go to jail? Have to pay some money? Can he still run for president?

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cabron_offsets 13 points 2 years ago
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Jentu 13 points 2 years ago

Finally, I can pop this bottle of Veuve I bought in 2018!

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squirrelwithnut 13 points 2 years ago

Sadly "justice has prevailed" is a little premature, because he probably won't do any time and will just have to pay a fine; and probably a mediocre one at that. Justice would be him serving the rest of his life in prison, but that probably won't happen.

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randint 13 points 2 years ago

Cool! Does this mean he'll be barred from presidency?

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BCarter 12 points 2 years ago

celebrations are in order!

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Suavevillain 12 points 2 years ago

Trump cultists literally boot lick the law all day until they get a result they don't like. Rare good news in America lol.

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chronicledmonocle 12 points 2 years ago
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HotsauceHurricane 11 points 2 years ago

GOOD

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Bluefalcon 11 points 2 years ago

Now we wait for the supreme court to save him. If they do, what are we burning down first? Taking all suggestions.

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iAvicenna 11 points 2 years ago

give him a good slap on the wrist USA

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Fades 9 points 2 years ago

Where the doubters at now?

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zcd 9 points 2 years ago

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BonesOfTheMoon 9 points 2 years ago

Est shit orange rapist. Enjoy jail.

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ColeSloth 9 points 2 years ago

But in July when he's sentenced....will the judge throw him in prison while trumpet appeals?

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halykthered 8 points 2 years ago

I can't wait to see him in a wheelchair and on oxygen when he appeals for compassionate release.

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dezmd 8 points 2 years ago

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cyborganism 8 points 2 years ago

Can he appeal or was the the final trial?

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ricecake 19 points 2 years ago

He can appeal, but he is still a convicted felon. He will be sentenced before any appeal can happen. He will most likely get probation, which isn't a lot but also comes with a lot more indignity then he is likely used to, and can carry a significant amount of bad optics during an election cycle.
As in, probation officer can enter his house without warning any time of day, deny his ability to travel out of state, random drug tests and unannounced workplace visits. Even just stipulating that he must report to their office every week would have a very visible impact on his campaign.

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AngryishHumanoid 8 points 2 years ago

Oh God please let them drug test him sooner rather than later...

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MutilationWave 1 point 2 years ago

This would be the first drug test in the history of drug tests that I support.

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Skullgrid 7 points 2 years ago

As in, probation officer can enter his house without warning any time of day, deny his ability to travel out of state, random drug tests and unannounced workplace visits.

I mean yeah, but do you think this will happen to him?

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ricecake 6 points 2 years ago

Honestly? I think a probation officer is likely to be picked for seniority in his case, for the purposes of making the new York justice system appear more, frankly, funded than it really is. I don't think the political pressure on that officer is likely to be the same as the political pressure on someone like a judge. Their pressure will be to make the department look good.
That will inevitably be interpreted as professional, courteous and unbiased.
I don't think he'll be drug tested, but I do think he'll have at least one off hours home visit that is coincidentally picked up by the media, and they'll find a reason to deny some request until additional concessions are made.
At some point someone will say that as far as they're concerned, the former president is just another individual under their supervision who's being treated just like any other. It's not true, but it requires some indignity to happen to be plausible, just because everyone is watching.

Enough so that no one says they're obviously just weak, since that makes them look bad, but nothing so much as to make people say "wow, they're actually awful, we need to fix the system".

Alternatively the system assigns someone at random who more than likely power tips a little and takes advantage of the opportunity to abuse a rich person just because they can. Probably not though, since that requires a different level of institutional incompetence.

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ripcord 2 points 2 years ago

Hmmm I hadn't thought about the impact of probation monitoring, and that's a happy thought.

Is it possible his terms of probation could be effectively no monitoring, though?

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ricecake 3 points 2 years ago

Yes. The system is designed to allow the probation officer a lot of leeway in how they enforce things.
Usually the system is petty and difficult to work with, but it's not obligated to be.
They could say something like a biweekly phone call and a call before traveling out of state is all that's required.

Unlikely though, since blatant deference makes them look bad, and opens up whichever political appointee or elected official that sits above the probation system to an easily justifiable replacement.

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cyborganism 1 point 2 years ago

Hahaha man. I would love it if that were to happen, but come on. Let's be realist.

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ricecake 1 point 2 years ago

I mean, probation is the "slap on the wrist" punishment.
There's an actual possibility of him going to prison. That's not a hypothetical, or even unrealistic. Cohen served prison time for this same act, and he pled guilty and agreed to testify.

Trump is unlikely to go to prison due to the politics of the situation, but it's not impossible. If he doesn't go to prison, the only other punishment is probation, which carries with it things like travel restrictions. Those aren't negotiable. They're unlikely to deny his requests, but he would actually have to make the request, and check in with his court appointed probation officer at least by phone on a regular basis, or that officer can just send him to jail for non-compliance. A home inspection is standard procedure, and the officer doesn't need anyone's permission to do it.

If the judge that Trump has continuously attacked decides that Trump, who has shown zero signs of remorse or contrition for his crimes, deserves leniency then I see no reason to expect that the terms of his leniency would be exceptionally lenient, to say nothing of "in open defiance of the minimums of what's required of probation".

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AIhasUse 12 points 2 years ago

He can and will appeal.

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sanguinepar 7 points 2 years ago

He can appeal, and he almost certainly will do.

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dohpaz42 4 points 2 years ago

You can always* appeal a court verdict. So, no, this most certainly was not the final decision.

* The one exception that I’m aware of is that you cannot appeal a SCOTUS decision.

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Death_Equity 3 points 2 years ago

He can appeal all the way to the Supreme Court. There is a fairly long process to make that happen, conventionally.

He will appeal, but the path that takes is anybody's guess.

He still does have a few other court cases that need to be settled and it is unlikely he can motion to dismiss on malicious prosecution(his snowball chance in hell option) on the pending cases and petition for USSC review at the same time.

His legitimate only chance at getting out of the noose is to be elected and pardon himself before he has to turn himself over into custody.

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Ranvier 12 points 2 years ago

Regardless of whether or not a president pardoning themself is possible, he can't pardon himself of new york state crimes. Governor Hochul/executive clemency bureau are the only ones that could do that.

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ripcord 7 points 2 years ago

*To the state supreme court.

And as mentioned, he has no pardon authority here unless he gets elected governor of New York.

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Neato 4 points 2 years ago

Don't people that are sentenced to prison but appeal still serve until the appeals are done? I don't have faith he'll be sentenced to prison but whatever he gets should be in effect unless one of his appeals goes through right?

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aphlamingphoenix 1 point 2 years ago

IANAL, but I believe that is up to the judge's discretion, as is the sentence itself.

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crusa187 7 points 2 years ago

Ladies and gentlemen and nbs - we got him!!!

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Sam_Bass 7 points 2 years ago

Still not doing any jail time. Bet.

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greyhathero 6 points 2 years ago

This makes me happy.

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yarr 6 points 2 years ago

Verdict delivered,
Donald Trump guilty on all 34;
Consequences loom.

$130,000 hidden,
Stormy Daniels silenced then;
A hush money plot.

"Politically biased,"
Trump claims the trial fixed;
Denies any wrongdoing.

Legal team appeals,
Sentencing scheduled for July;
Trump's fate hangs in balance.

136 years possible,
Yet, will justice be served?
The world watches and wonders.

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TheGiantKorean 6 points 2 years ago
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Spider89 6 points 2 years ago

Just opended Jerboa.

Am happy.

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NocturnalMorning 6 points 2 years ago

Now that's not a headline I thought I'd read today

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A_Random_Idiot 5 points 2 years ago

I just hope it sticks through the inevitable appeal.

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Tixanou 4 points 2 years ago

Google "trump rule 34" for more information!

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zcd 4 points 2 years ago

This has been the worst conviction in the history of convictions, maybe ever

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kersploosh 4 points 2 years ago

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Bezzelbob 4 points 2 years ago

Yk it's bad when the British get involved 💀💀

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gabereal 4 points 2 years ago

So at what point does he lose the right to vote? Is it when he is found guilty of a felony, or does it happen at sentencing?

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xc2215x 3 points 2 years ago

So awesome to see.

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bmsok 3 points 2 years ago

Nothing says winning like losing so hard.

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credo 3 points 2 years ago

Please make the first two pages of my lemmy variations on this headline.

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mightyfoolish 3 points 2 years ago

July 11th cannot come soon enough. Lock him up!

🧱 🧱 🧱

🧱 🍊 🧱

🧱 🧱 🧱

🎉 🎉 🎉

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rsuri 2 points 2 years ago

Nothing's gonna happen. He's just gonna make up some new "ex president/presidential candidate immunity" that prevents some category of person that includes him from going to prison even for state crimes, and his various federal court nominees will see to it that it's tied up indefinitely.

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cheese_greater 2 points 2 years ago

Bigliest gviltor

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drunkpostdisaster 2 points 2 years ago

I want to see some facebook posts RN

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aesthelete 2 points 2 years ago

🍾🥂

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vga 2 points 2 years ago
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RampantParanoia2365 2 points 2 years ago

Truth Trumps Trump, Trumpeted Thursday.

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Churbleyimyam 2 points 2 years ago

it is what it is. nobody believes in the system anymore anyway. thanks for the spectacle i guess

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BigDaddySlim 2 points 2 years ago

Get rekt oversized oompa loompa

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nifty 1 point 2 years ago

Someone please tell me these decisions don’t have a chance to be undone in appeals court

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DudeImMacGyver 1 point 2 years ago
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pete_the_cat 1 point 2 years ago

This is so beautiful

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iturnedintoanewt 1 point 2 years ago
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Snapz 0 points 2 years ago

Who he definitely paid to get an abortion that he had a sycophant take the heat for.

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Maggoty 0 points 2 years ago

According to ABC it's a max sentence of 20 years. I wonder if NY can charge the secret service room and board for guarding him in prison?

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icdmize -2 points 2 years ago

He did everything right and they indicted him.

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venusaur -2 points 2 years ago

So he’ll pay a fine and still be allowed to run for president and potentially win. The rich prevail again. Go watch the Jynx if you’re a masochist.

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Krudler -5 points 2 years ago

I knew Reddit went down for a reason.

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TokenBoomer -6 points 2 years ago

And his poll numbers will go up…

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Bezzelbob -18 points 2 years ago

There's hundreds of pedophiles and rapists in office... why did they stop at trump?

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goddard -23 points 2 years ago

Sad, our country has come to this.

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masquenox -39 points 2 years ago

Popping some popcorn to watch all the liberals realize that Trump won't see a day in prison over this...

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BilboBargains -42 points 2 years ago

Does anyone take this verdict seriously? This is the same criminal justice system that locks up the poor, vulnerable and ethnic minorities. They have criminalised whistleblowers and other truth tellers. They are enslaving ordinary people. The laws they use are often racist. The CIA are assassinating people and subverting nation states with total impunity from this same criminal justice system.

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StaySquared -44 points 2 years ago
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