Caption: Taylor Swift, wearing a black turtleneck, holding her dinner.
I'll show her mine if she shows me hers first.
Ah, yes. "It was sarcasm." Trump pulled that last night too.
If you didn't like it then I meant something different and you just didn't get it. Women love that response.
Yeah well played, they got a bunch of millions for promoting politics and they are going to chill in their private jet and buy groceries with it. Have fun today working to death to afford rent and cheap food.
Cool whataboutism
I cannot imagine being this mad about a win over Trump.
A post on the frontpage of lemmy with so many upvotes about a scummy pop celebrity endorsing the red and blue party is a lose for humanity and a win for any billionare or politician.
Not sure I've heard Swift described as "scummy" before.
And if you're so against billionaires and politicians, why are you for the billionaire politician from the party who wants to cut taxes for billionaires, and not the candidate from a working class background who wants to increase taxes for billionaires?
Wow, Trump is having a really bad day.
It’s delightful.
I dunno if Trump can enjoy his skyscraper from prison. With a windowed cell, maybe.
Ah yes the criminal who is soon to be president is going to jail any day now. Just you wait, any day.
Not with that attitude. "Is soon to be"?
Many downvotes but no example.
They "own" a skyscraper in new york and have enough wealth debt to afford have someone else pay for all sort of commodities
You made a few factual errors there, I took the liberty of fixing it
And its Joever.
Was honestly never any doubt Taylor would support Kamala. She is pretty publicly Liberal with a capital L and tends to care about things like autonomy for women and all those crazy things. She probably would have stayed quiet for ticket sales but then the trump campaign deep faked her and...
Said it before and I'll say it again. If you have to fuck with a frothing at the mouth fandom? Go after k-pop before you go after T-swizzle.
Oh. K-pop stans will fuck your shit up and destroy any online infrastructure you have.
Swifties will fuck your shit up, burn down your home with you inside it, and piss on the ashes. All while their parents (and randos who got Swifty pilled by stuff like The Fall Guy) are grooving in the street and waving off hte cops.
She probably would have stayed quiet for ticket sales but then the trump campaign deep faked her and…
She might have done something more subtle like she did with Joe Biden cookies 4 years ago. I agree, in this case she had no choice but to share her opinion loud and clear.
Shit I wouldn’t go after K pop or the Beehive either.
8 believe they call themselves the "Beyhive"
Idk, the recent pic of her chummy day/night out with Brittany Mahomes planted quite a bit of doubt for me. There was a lot of speculation after those pictures released that she'd come out for Kamala, to get ahead of any backlash.
Just being nice to the wife of her boyfriend's buddy, not asking him to turn away from his friends, even if they're fools. As my daughter said, those football guys get hit in the head a lot...
I personally think the company you choose to keep says a lot about you. There's being polite with your partner's friends and then there's being all over someone like a bestie. It's amazing how well her PR machine works that she gets white knighted so much, even on Lemmy. May I remind everyone that she is a billionaire and didn't get to be one accidentally. She's just as bad as the rest of them, she just pays people to make her seem not as threatening, and it's clearly working based on all the free defense she gets on the internet.
She's not your friend. Arguably, she's Brittany Mahome's friend.
Yes. The company she keeps is her boyfriend. Her boyfriend who is a tight end (hee hee) on the same team that Mahomes is a quarterback on. That means he only "looks good" if Mahomes throws to him.
Welcome to being an adult. Yes, there are thresholds where you say "Fuck off, I don't care". But when it can potentially ruin your partner's career to not smile and nod? You act like an adult and smile and nod. And then you go off on them during the car ride home (well... plane ride for T-Swizzle).
Nobody (sane) is going to argue that Taylor is a secret leftist or anything. But she has consistently shown that she cares about LGBTQ+ rights and Womens' Rights (whether as part of her brand or as herself, it doesn't matter) and quietly endorsed Biden. The only question was whether she would stay silent, quietly endorse Kamala, or release a press release. She chose the press release.
But hey, feel free to continue making deranged purity tests that just alienate everyone else. That totally leads to electoral wins and change.
Billionares are money addicts with a mental disorder, they would still lower themself even for 50 dollars. Being endorsed by the establishment is how you become a pop star and how your albums magically top more skilled artists than you.
Couldn't give two shits about all these Pop Star positions. I do delight in this specific one because Trump's campaign fucked with her, and drew a line in the sand with regard to Generative AI bullshit in a campaign.
They deserve all the negative press that comes from this, and much more. I don't care for Taylor Swift, but I like this move.
It's the Hive Mind Stans phenomenon that fascinates me, meme-activated collective action that is a very modern social body.
Some of the stuff BTS ARMY got up to was fantastic and a bit scary. Also large numbers. Very large.
So the Swifties haven't been weaponized yet. But they could be, soon. Having deepfake A.I. impersonation of fans made by fascist followers of a reality TV star be the thing that raises their state of collective power to Ready is just... well, I am living in a Gibson novel.
Look, I am not a billionaire loving guy anymore than some of you are.
But has anyone here considered that Musk has made an impact on the views of young white men (whom also happen to be Republican and Conservative or Proud Boys?
Does it bother us that these men follow a billionaire who doesn't give two shits about them? Yes.
Do I care that Taylor Swift is the opposite of that and encourages young women and men, be it black, gay, trans, etc to be opposite end of that spectrum. Fuck yes, we shouldn't base our views off the rich but has it ever occurred to anyone here that it is using those billionairs to represent and have them be vocal with the power they hold with our views instead?
I will absolutely take Taylor Swift speaking up and saying what she believes in and her giving that voice to 100000+ people whose only voice is heard in a vote if her speaking up also encourages people to say fuck Trump and and Musk and every fucking dumb ass on this post that thinks Taylor speaking out is a bad thing by comparison to it somehow being worse then what they already do with Musk.
Fuckem, fuck billionaires, but God damn keep fucking roasting them TSwiftie.
If I had a platform that millions of people listened to (which I don't), and strongly held beliefs about how the country could be made better for everyone (which I do), why wouldn't I use my platform to share those beliefs? How could I not?
No one MUST obey what either of them says, just like no one would be compelled to obey me in my hypothetical. But I don't really have a problem with any person using whatever platform they've found themselves with to express their own beliefs and desires. I don't think people lose the right to free expression just because they are rich and/or famous and/or powerful.
Edit: And if you piss a lot of people off and lose all your advertisers because your opinions are repugnant and awful - well hey, that's the choice you made.
Ironically, Taylor Swift was, up to this point, trying very hard NOT to use her platform. Just read her post. She's BEGGING the reader not to blindly follow her in voting, and do their own research and make their own choice. She'd said she'd wait until after her tour to endorse a candidate (which would have been after the election 🤣 ), but she says in her post that the AI DeepFake Endorsement she 'made' of Trump compelled her to give up her secret ballot and outright state she's voting for Harris.
Great point and apologies for glossing over that. I guess my reply just blurred into my general opinion about people dismissing or being grumpy about "celebrity" endorsements or political statements.
I hear ya. Yeah, I do agree with 'you shouldn't make a political opinion based on what a celebrity does,' but the reality is that people might waiver until they hear someone they like and trust (like a celebrity) makes a decision. Sad fact of life in this popularity contest we call a political system. ;)
why wouldn't I use my platform to share those beliefs?
I think it's perfectly valid to say "the system that gave me this platform is unfair and I shouldn't have benefited from it to the degree that I have, but I have the platform now so I'm going to use it for good."
It's one of the very few ethical ways to become a billionaire I think. If you sell an album or book for $10, and you're a global sensation, it's reasonable you'll get 100 million people buying it. It just falls on you then to use that money for his good reasons and adequately compensate people who support you. And Swift has generally been really good about that.
I think overall that is very much so the case. This is the exception, not the norm.
every fucking dumb ass on this post that thinks Taylor speaking out is a bad thing by comparison to it somehow being worse then what they already do with Musk.
If your political opinion is swayed by either a pop star or a billionaire, you're kinda a dumb ass. Full stop.
Good thing dumbasses can't vote...
.... what? Are you serious? 80% of voters are dumb asses...
Nvm... I struggle without "/s"
It was sarcasm.
First, thank you for your comment without personal attacks, I'm getting torn up over here, but its me that is getting reported and comments removed for "incivility."
Anyway, what you say is true, but I believe we need to be discerning with respect to our political influences and sources. I don't think it's necessarily wrong to consider the opinions of others (pop star or not), but it should not have the weight to sway our voting one way or the other
If only people were more logical and calm, like men! /s
Your political movement is impotent if it can't seduce. Here's an underrated short tube essay on the political power of bimbos: https://youtu.be/FeRIE6JDhCQ
Maybe he is threatening to force one of his numerous, unloved, kids on her?
Ahh, who are we kidding. He totally thinks that getting dick from a "real man", and having his child, will trad pill her. Cause Elon is much more masculine than her huge, pro-athlete, boyfriend.
Even when read as sarcasm, your original comment is still cringe inducing
He wants to invite her to Epstein island
She's too old for that.
As a...consumer
It's totally the point. The problem is they are running out of "outsider" groups they can demonize effectively so they have turned towards their own potential voters (mainly women).
As much as they want to turn transgender people into the new jews, most people just don't have that much of a problem with them.
IMHO it's harder to demonize a group that might include your son or daughter. Their racism persists because there are no white people who discover that they've actually been black their whole lives.
The constant bullying and insults are entirely unnecessary to their agenda
The constant bullying and insults are the very core of fascist strategy.
Her statement was impeccable. She mentioned the AI generated fake image which appeared three weeks ago. This is the response that had to be made by her. She signed it Childless Cat Lady. Perfect.
Instead of letting Trump pick the time, she picked the time that hurt him the most.
Now the Biden administration needs to follow through and declare election day a federal holiday.
Isn’t that power assigned to Congress?
Average americans and thinking that a national holiday means anything. I've worked the majority of the holidays for the past 10 years. They don't even count for overtime unless the policies (sort of contract) of the employer state they do.
Yes, it happens, but the majority of American workers still had Labor Day off this year.
It would have a measurable impact on voter turnout.
I don't imagine most of her fans are of voting age, but the exposure certainly can't hurt.
I mean...Trump has a 60-something year old retired wrestler, and a 50-something trashrock star for his celebrity endorsements.
One seems more significant than the other, especially for women.
Fun fact: Swift's first album is old enough to vote.
Listen. And understand. Time is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.
Sure, I get that. I'd just like the obvious sane choice to be made more than a celebrity endorsement. Feels pretty shitty that we're at this point.
Taylor is 34 and has been popular for over a decade. There are young fans, but she has millions of fans of voting age
All of my coworkers are Swifties who attend her concerts and constantly play her music. Most of them are in their 30s and 40s. Her audience isn't as young as you'd think, she's been making music for decades now.
Puttin your money where your Kamouth is
But I saw PICTURES that she SUPPORTED Trump! Her LITERALLY SAYING SHE ENDORSES KAMALA is Fake News! Trump would NEVER lie to me!
-Republicans who do their Own Research!
Some folks here really seem to think that her fans don't have any political opinions without her. This is actually as much about her politically engaged fan base wanting her to use her platform for good, than it is about swaying people who might be very young or unsure about voting.
Lots of swifties are millenials who lean left and liberal and some have criticized her in the past for not speaking up or for leaving her views ambiguous in a way that left room for the right to coopt her image. This is not about silly pop fans needing to be told what to think. People aren't ignorant. It's exactly because she's powerful and very wealthy, that it's important for her to use her power to be very clear about where she stands. Especially in light of the ai thing and the Brittany Mahomes weirdness.
obviously a lot of them are engaged, but the US is famously bad at actually voting, so this might make a significant difference in who votes.
I really hope that it does.
damn holy shit, big if true.
Heck yeahh
ideally it should, we saw something similar after kamala harris took over biden.
and some have criticized her in the past for not speaking up or for leaving her views ambiguous in a way that left room for the right to coopt her image.
This seems important to her, especially considering her timing – she mentioned that the right has been circulating deep fakes of her falsely claiming she endorsed trump.
Very doubtful that that's even his real hair at this point.
Let flip some red states swifties
It’s gonna be brutal when she’s one-upped by er … Kid Rock.
No! Wait, Ted Nugent.
Yeah, suck it Swifters.
Instead of posting a screenshot and a link, they posted a broken Instagram embed instead. Come on.
Hey it's a small indie publication cut them some slack.
Nail, here is the coffin.
Friendly reminder - don't stop and go vote.
Nope. Go vote.
Agreed! And go register and plan your vote. Make a plan now. Especially in some states where there's different degrees of voter suppression, you need to take extra steps to make sure you get your vote counted. There's an army of MAGAts and right wing lawyers trying to stop certain voters, kick them off the voter rolls, or make up rules to keep you from voting. Don't let them stop you.
I'm voting BLUE! Won't you?
You relay on people who listen to popstars to vote instead of just making tiktoks about how they vote?
This is not "breaking news" under any circumstances.
Glad she's supporting kamala and using her influence, but that being said the celebrity worship nonsense is silly. Not breaking news.
Well, we are talking about a pop star with absolutely staggering amount of influence and reach, specifically with a young demographic. If she were able to motivate her fan-base to vote, that would be a huge deal.
Edit: Holy shit.
I mean she is probably the most popular pop star in the world, so I think it is breaking news if it helps the disenfranchised youth vote for Kamala over Trump.
Unfortunately celebrity worship is influence, and influence is the key in elections. No influence, no vote. It is power. And the amount of influential power Taylor swift has is absolutely staggering. I wouldn't be surprised if her endorsing kamala brings in tens if not hundreds of thousands of voters to register.
I'm skeptical that the kinds of people that would be swayed to vote for Kamala solely due to Taylor Swifts endorsement, are the kinds of people who see breaking news on NBC.
It's not breaking news, which was my OP LOL. She could probably have the intended effect on tik tok and Twitter.
But still, I don't really care, if it gets more votes against trump I'm all for it.
It ain't breaking news though LOL. Putin launching a nuke is breaking news.
Yeah, the fact that I keep seeing this as breaking, or important, news makes me want to break into a broadcast center and pull a "The Network".
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Cult of personality vs cult of personality.
Yep that's how humans work
Have a downvote with that salty wine
I mean.. one of the most influential people on the planet just endorsed a candidate for President. That is pretty breaking news.
Who would want to talk to a felon and adjudicated rapist? Gross!
Trump’s left brain cell: “Woman no agree with me so she ugly!”
Trump’s right brain cell: “But woman blonde like Ivanka! I want to sex her!”
bzzrtPOP
[system malfunction]
(Second brain cell added for artistic license)
while I personally don't like when people use clout for things like this, some people don't realize how big politically she can be. She outright had governments fighting for show exclusivity just so she would choose their country for people to travel to. Her influences has whole damn governments fighting each other.
There's always something to complain about
Just let her and ja rule decide who's the next president. Why the extra steps?
Because they admire her
She's at least as qualified as one of the candidates to have a perspective, and has an edge because she hasn't bankrupted any casinos, sabotaged a nation's pandemic response, or raped any kids that I know about. Not that qualification is necessary to have or state a perspective.
I strongly question the judgement of anyone who questions the judgement of someone advising voting against Trump.
She's at least as qualified as one of the candidates to have a perspective
Your measure of merit is "relative to shit".
I strongly question the judgement of anyone who questions the judgement of someone advising voting against Trump.
You don't care for facts and reason, only agreement.
That's not a perspective that deserves respect.
It's about sending a message, setting a signal. People should think for themselves, I agree, but come on. Do you ignore all other forms of influence people experience or what weird world do you live in?
You don't have to if you don't want.
But whether you like it or no rich entertainers like Taylor Swift get lots of media and views. Which parleys into influence and bringing attention to a candidate or an idea.
This is the reason why anyone that wants to grow a brand and/or an idea will try to get a celebrity to endorse it.
Edit: This doesn't mean they know more than the average joe it's all about marketing
Probably because they feel aligned with her values and see her success as an indicator that she is smart. Therefore, she is someone worth emulating.
If the majority was logical then we'd have been revolting for the repeal of Glass-Steagall and the passing of the Interstate Branching and Banking Efficiency Act.
I think it's far more important to encourage wisdom than pretend to play whack-a-mole with bank-owned politicians.
What do you think?
Your research is all yours to do, and the choice is yours to make.
Swift quote from the article. She is telling people to make their own decisions, whilst announcing her own choice and making no claims about qualifications. What is wrong with this?
What is wrong with this?
Her reasoning isn't communicated in adequate nuance to earn respect for her perspective. She's chosen what's safe, politic, and popular rather than risk what her conscience should tell her is right.
Why do we care what you think?
I don't recall subscribing to sirderpy's Tucker Carlson questions simulator. Where do I unsubscribe?
She stated in her post a major motivation for her was the fake AI pictures Trump and Co circulated a few weeks ago, so they definitely care. I actually admire that she is simply stating she plans to vote for Harris, rather than outright endorsing her. Swift advises people to be politically informed and to vote. I think that's a pretty good message for anyone to say.
Why? Again it was her motivation for the post?
Because she has a ridiculous number of fans and this may spur some of them to vote that might not have otherwise.
Hopefully she reiterates it shortly before election day to stir people into action.
Do you even know what propaganda is?
You know, like Trump basically fabricating Swift's support though bullshit AI and forcing her hand
Do you even know what propaganda is?
This post: the government giving money to pop artists to make them more famous and to do ads for them, also the government spending millions to advertise in online platforms.
She's an incredible singer and dancer. I've respect for her talent and hard work. If she ever decides to create content for adults and take some risks in composition then I'd probably even enjoy her music.
But, she's targeting adolescents and young adults. I agree that the majority are victims of propaganda and marketing.
This sub is propagating that nonsense. That's not good.
Yet another reason to note vote for that parrot drone of a politician. Ignorant person endorsing an ignorant person.
And when did it become important who a pop star "endorses"? Should it really help sway opinion?
Gtf outta here.
What sort of direct action do you endorse?
Probably some delusional fantasy of revolution
Lol... this is the problem though. My "endorsement" doesn't matter much, and it shouldn't matter to you. I'm a random person on the internet, I hope my endorsement wouldn't sway your opinion. (Facts backed by sources and corroboration is what should should sway opinion, not pop stars and billionaires)
Oh, you respect swift? She has earned your respect? Lol. This million pop star, who you haven't ever met, has earned your respect enough to convince you to vote a certain way?
You don't hear how utterly ridiculous that sounds? Please tell me you understand how ridiculous that sounds...
I'm really trying here... I feel it's a losing battle. I just want yall to use common sense...
Why would I care about your initial criticism but not your proposed course of action? I'm down to collaborate, give me a source.
Lol. Oh, I have opposing opinions, so I am a contrarian asshole? So you would like to silence any contrary opinions and just live in a liberal echo chamber?
I'm not surprised... it's what people do here. Your views are so fragile that you can't handle an opposing view.
I'm doing yall a favor here, I'm trying to expose yall to the other side of the arguments. I want you to understand the scope of things. Don't hate on me brother.
Yes, like a monkey throwing shit exposes the surrounding victims to e coli, you are exposing us to your views. Thank you brother
Lol. Good one.
"The great chorus of democracy"....
Sorry if it just seems like im shitting on opinions, but like this, it's just bad... this "great chorus of democracy" is called an echo chamber. It is a chorus. Everyone is reaffirming each other's opinions with no one able to say contrary without ridicule and insults. No one with opposing views wants to be here because of this. Thus, it turns into an echo chamber.
I don't think most here get out into the real world much because people here think the opinions shared here are shared by everybody... but no, the reinforced opinions here are not litmus test of reality.
I'm sure everyone will have a lot of time to indulge your certainly well-informed and nuanced political opinions.
I'm not inclined to take you up on that offer as it seems very disingenuous. I'm not going to express my political opinions so you and your crew can team up and harass me. I'll give you this, our options for POTUS are pitiful. It nearly makes me sick, considering either as our next president. Having said that, Harris is a weak puppet. Biden was senile puppet. Between the 2 options, it sucks but I think Trump is the better choice. He isn't going to end democracy or destroy America like dissenting voice claim. He'll be in office for 4 years and then be gone. Thank God. Many Conservatives have shamed and disgraced the party by turning into the trump party.
Having said that, everything is going to be fine. With either candidate, there will be ups and down, but we're going survive. America will be fine. Every needs to chill out, we need to quit with all the division and hate, that's what they try to do, they try to divide us. It's hard not to fall into it, I'm a victim of it myself. Anyway, I didn't mean to rant. Let me just say that echo chambers are real and very bad. Like it or not, lemme is an echo chamber, reddit is an echo chamber. The dangerous part is not to understand that one is in an echo chamber. I believe most here don't realize that they are in an echo chamber. Its unhealthy... anyway.. geez. Sorry
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