'National divorce': Marjorie Taylor Greene threatens Trump dissenters with secession
2 years ago by CharlesDarwin to c/politics
How about Going to California?
The fact that ya didnt list California Dreamin annoys me.
You could listen to the Beach Boys version.
Two of the worst ones.
Such a lovely choice. /s
California Girls. And I'm not specifying which one
It'll never happen. US Military would never willingly split itself apart, let itself get split apart, or let another nation that it's not allied with have any sort of Army on its equivalent. The 50 states are here to stay.
Never say never. The domestic terrorists/agents of Putin are aching for an actual shooting civil war.
Even a peaceful division of the US would be something they would seriously benefit from. The US permanently divided against itself, each side easy to manipulate into a military conflict against the other. We would have nukes pointed at each other within a decade. It would be like the splitting of India and Pakistan, along with all the accompanying human rights atrocities.
Also how long before an invasion? They’re fascists, fascists don’t sit still while experiencing consequences, they invade
Sherman should have kept burning the traitors.
I doubt it. He can barely run his shit past the civilian government. I'd be surprised if he knows that the UCMJ exists. The brass aren't going to just fall in line, they know what an illegal order is, and what to do when they are given one.
He may manage to be the first POTUS that is ever told by the military that they have no confidence in him, and will refuse to take orders from him.
Maybe. But I also see a lot of trump support within the military. I really don’t think it will be as cut and dry as you say. Especially if he goes through with his prosecuting and removal of every military officer involved in the Afghanistan exit, which to me just seems like a way to pick and choose loyalists in his military.
It's expansive here in the places you may want to live, but seriously... It's worth it. There's also a lot of cheap places that aren't as ideal.
Don't threaten me with a good country.
Can Minnesota come along too? We're basically in Canada here already.
Only if you bring a hot dish.
You folks talk with a Canadian dialect.
that's not… usually what you do win you win. so like… honestly… okay, kick me out, let me be governed by a saner government. also DC is between two blue state so good luck evacuating back to your conservative safe space, dumbass
Predictable. The donvict-humpers supposedly "win", and then get even MORE angry. Why so angry?
I suspect it's because for this brief period of time, anyway, it's hard for them to avoid just how HATED they and their precious golden donvict truly are. They thought they'd "win" and all the normal Americans around them would just disappear. And yet, Karens like Green continue to get confronted by normal people.
The donvict-humpers supposedly “win”, and then get even MORE angry. Why so angry?
Because we've stolen their martyrdom from them by losing.
This is outrageously anecdotal but the trumpers I know were all grins on the day after until they realized we weren’t gonna just get over this and they just labeled themselves. They seem pissy now, and one in my office in particular that used to chat with me about sports is really broken up I don’t want to anymore
They seem pissy now, and one in my office in particular that used to chat with me about sports is really broken up I don’t want to anymore
Yeah, the Professional Left did an entire section about this and they mentioned the case where some husband is completely gobsmacked that his wife filed for divorce.
But yeah, I've seen the same thing and heard about it from others. Lots of quiet interactions about how so and so is a big proponent of donvict; don't invite him/her to {whatever social function}.
The refrain of "yeah, but let's just agree to disagree" - I can see why many people, especially those most at risk thanks to what they wan, are thinking: "YEAH, FUCK THAT. You just voted to harm me, and you want to act like it's just a disagreement?"
Donvict is the only good name for him anybody has come up with. Good job.
Don't threaten me with a good time lady.
Right? The country is split basically 50. This seems like the obvious thing to do.
I wouldnt say that. Left and right leaning people are mixed all over the country. It's not like the civil war when people were geographically located where the states wanted to cecede.
Point is, my comment was a joke. If the U.S. fractures into a bunch of smaller countries, its not going to be a good time for anybody.
It'll be a good time for the richer states once things settle down tbf.
Worse than having a king?
Who knows, maybe we'll get lucky and Trump will choke on a McDonald's big mac and die.
I mean... as long as California takes Colorado and New Mexico with it, I see no real issues with that. We get the economy, the nature, and the nukes.
We'll bring along Oregon and Washington, at least the west halves, and call the country the Collective of American States.
Sounds good to my rainy ears here in Seattle 😎
Lets go for the Fallout 2 version I want to annoy everyone.
I have never seen this version before. This flag makes even less sense than the standard NCR flag.
Its from Fallout 2 and was used in some Fallout New Vegas concept art.
Something that I learned recently makes this flag make absolutely no sense.
The bear on the flag of The Republic of California, is extinct, and has been since the 1920s. Therefore in the Fallout universe, that bear is also extinct. None of them could have mutated into the two headed version. Where the heck did this flag come from?
They still would have had the original California flag; the NCR flag would have been based on it, probably to deliberately harken back to the time before the restructuring of the country into the 13 Commonwealths divided the state in two
Yep. Best Christmas present they could offer.
Do it. Push her harder.
Aren’t the nukes in Montana and the dakotas? Though I’m under the impression we also keep some silos in the rural northeast.
Here is a handy map of some of our nukes as of 2006 https://uploads.fas.org/sites/4/NotebookMap.pdf
But also? The expertise to maintain and build nukes are very much California and New Mexico as that is where the three major NNSA labs and their support facilities are.
Did not expect the distribution to be like that, especially with blue states having nearly as many as red and swing states combined. For anyone curious: Blue state nukes-4324 Red state nukes-2266 Swing state nukes-2454
Washington really surprised me but it makes a lot of sense actually. I knew there were none at Wright patt because you learn that growing up in Dayton, they can’t risk the aliens.
And yeah I knew albequerque is one of the most critical cities for our ability to project nuclear force and that we make and test them in New Mexico and that Colorado is home to norad command. I just had also thought there were some hidden in Appalachia in upstate New York or something or one of the other eastern mountain ranges
Swing states might have voted Trump, but those coward tards would follow the money in a secession situation, so I think the majority and their nukes would be on the sane blue side
About the only thing that would make me happier than to have the entire pacific west coast secede and create a sovereign nation would be for Trump to do it for us so we don't have to fight a war over it. You want us gone? Please, show us the exit, we'll be on our way. No takebacksies.
Iirc one of MA ME electoral votes will go to Trump, ao nlt really no-one
Edit: I'm stupid. MA is Massachusetts which is blue af (every county iirc). Maine is ME
You mean Maine? MA doesn't split.
I am too confidently incorrect sometimes. I'm not from the US, I thought you meant Maine.
I'm hoping for Cascadia.
This made me feel good to think about. And the downsides about why we could never do it are now equally matched and going to happen anyway.
Only issue would be public health stuff, but that requires cooperation across the board.
A known traitor threat against the United States was allowed to run for and be elected president. This country doesn't have laws except for the poor and it certainly doesn't have a functioning system of justice or even government at this point.
Depends.
Protected by the first amendment, one can legally advocate for the dissolution of the Union through bicameral ratification outlined constitutionally by constitutional amendment. To advocate for armed insurrection or violent overthrow of the federal government is sedition and considered quite illegal.
Is it really illegal if the law isn't enforced? Is anything a Republican does illegal anymore?
I've always loved this quote about conservatism:
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition: there must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
- Frank Wilhoit
You're correct. I was wrong. The Constitution would have to be amended to allow for it first.
The United States Constitution does not explicitly provide a method for the dissolution of the union. In fact, the Constitution is quite silent on the topic of secession or dissolution.
However, there are a few relevant provisions and historical precedents that are often cited in discussions about the possibility of dissolution:
Article IV, Section 3, Clause 1: This clause, also known as the "Guarantee Clause," states that the United States shall guarantee to every state a republican form of government. Some argue that this clause implies a constitutional obligation for the federal government to maintain the union and prevent secession.
The Supremacy Clause (Article VI, Clause 2): This clause establishes the Constitution and federal laws as the supreme law of the land, which some interpret as precluding the possibility of secession.
The Civil War and the 14th Amendment: The American Civil War (1861-1865) was fought, in part, over the issue of secession. The 14th Amendment (1868) was ratified in the aftermath of the war and includes language that could be seen as prohibiting secession. Section 3 of the 14th Amendment states that no person who has engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the United States shall be eligible to hold federal or state office.
Texas v. White (1869): In this landmark Supreme Court case, the Court ruled that secession is not permissible under the Constitution. The decision stated that the Constitution looks to an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible states.
While these provisions and precedents suggest that the Constitution does not provide a clear method for dissolution, they do not necessarily rule out the possibility of secession or dissolution entirely. Some argue that secession could be achieved through a constitutional amendment or a negotiated agreement between the federal government and a state or group of states.
It's worth noting that, in practice, the possibility of dissolution is often seen as a highly unlikely and potentially destabilizing event. The United States has a long history of federalism and a strong tradition of national unity, which has generally been maintained through a system of shared power and compromise between the federal government and the states.
5th largest economy on the planet by itself.
Most of the Western states would probably end up joining overall. I dont see Idaho lasting too long being one of the few remaining states that far west for example.
Washington and Oregon are basically Very Northern California.
Blue states pay more in taxes than they receive, and vice versa with red states. We are literally funding them dragging us all backwards.
So they know that Texas doesn't have a GDP high enough to even run all their red catastrophies, right? I'm kidding, I know they don't know. They probably also don't know that CA would be the third largest super power if they ever let us go. Which they won't. At all.
And we pay them more money than we use for ourselves.
Just let us have our fires in peace damnit!
Unfortunately that would cause a Pakistan-Bangladesh situation with a country connected by airlines. Except worse because Illinois, Minnesota, Colorado, and New Mexico would be enclaves in trumpistan
Oh no, please, don't
Marjorie Taylor Dumbfuck here doesn't realize that her state, and in fact all Republican-led states, are solely dependent on blue state generosity in order to continue to exist. I'm sure the blue states would absolutely love for these freeloading welfare states to leave the union, because it would offer an immediate federal surplus that could be better allocated on themselves. It will never happen, because the smart conservatives love having a never-ending money faucet they can gargle when their economic plans fail due to their own ineptitude.
If it weren't mainly a rural vs. urban split, I'd be all for the fascists getting their own country to ruin. But we're too spread out to make it feasible.
Yeah, we'd essentially become three countries - the West, the East, and the No-Go Zone in the middle. Just get us New Mexicans to somewhere decent before all borders close.
😂 oh boy true
Canada could really use an injection of progressive minded people too, sounds like a win-win.
As a Minnesotan. Would love to.
If it weren’t mainly a rural vs. urban split, I
Yeah, we'd have to move them somewhere, perhaps down South.... Make the link around say Virginia... Sounds familiar, but I can't lay my finger on it...
A republican flip flopping on states rights again? I'm shocked.
'We have the right to tell you what to do. You cannot tell us what to do."
Oh look, a broken clock.
How many times do we need to keep this nation "united" at gunpoint before we acknowledge that the science and reason people are incompatible with the supply side Jesus and racial hatred people? We can't stand one another, and time only deepens that division until bloodshed, over and over.
You can't educate those cultures that refuse to be educated or have their children educated. That kind of change, born of desperation and constant struggle inflicted from your own culture's values needs to come from within. The Red States need their Martin Luther "maybe we shouldn't punch ourselves in the face every day" reformation moment, and it isn't rational for those that see beyond their ignorance and superstition be dragged down with them for generations until they get there. Blue states propping them up only prolong comfort in their ignorance.
You can't force cultural evolution or save the willfully ignorant from their own willlfull ignorance from outside on Alabama any more than you can on Afghanistan, all you do is create a common enemy for them, as we continue to experience.
I have held this stance for many years (am not American though), and everytime I proposed it someone from the US told me "Nooo we've had that in the past and we fought a civil war in order to stay together!!! We can't split!" and I think it's like a broken marriage that was never easy to begin with that's just being held together because the parties are too stubborn to say "ok well let's split up". It's an unhealthy relationship.
Honestly, with what I'm genuinely concerned is going to happen, that would probably be preferable. Give everyone some notice, and we can escape the nutjobs by being homeless in California and New York instead of concentrated in camps in Florida and Georgia. I mean, it'll inevitably make the blue state nation more conservative as they blame southern refugees for all their problems, but it'd still be better more than likely
The notice is now. I’m getting out of Ohio for that reason.
[Wearing the US flag as a t-shirt and a pair of pajamas]: "I believe in the UNITED States of America!!!! ..... but I want a divorce"
Greene on Monday described these actions as a threat against Trump's "mandate."
That mandate calls for actions Democratic states must accept, Greene argued, such as the mass deportation of "illegal invaders" and preventing trans children from playing sports.
The funny thing is that MTG is getting less and less of a "mandate" from GA-14 for all of her crap: In 2020 she got 74.6 percent of the vote, in 2022 she got 65.9, and in 2024 she got 64.4. Keep it up Marge.
Yeah, but she mainly represents white supremacist goblins in human forms.
They all swore an oath to equal protection under the law. Funny how they can ignore that mandate
Canada has given the world some of the worst extremists, racists, etc. (Proud Boys being one of the more recent horrible things we've exported)
There's a group that popped up during the convoy called diagolon. They posted this way back which seems like how things would work (a path from Russia to Florida)
They claim it's a joke, but isn't it always just a joke.
Pretty sure BC, VA, and CO are not going along with that.
Once the first (new) secession happens, the rest will flee for one reason. The Republicans are trying to ban porn.
I think it still works if you swap Alberta for BC and exclude VA and CO
Why do these idiots always pick names that just make them sound even dumber?
I mean, "Proud Boys" are obsessed with men hanging out with manly men because something something bros and not being gay.
Then named themselves after a show tune?
New Orleans though. It’s probably the most important port in the country
It's certainly up there - LA and TX have a lot of shipping capacity:
And how long till it's under water with no blue state or blue state taxes to bail it out? Same with Florida. Good riddance to a buncha bad.
Carried by Florida and Louisiana.
The United States has 4 significant maritime features: the Atlantic coast, the pacific coast, the Great Lakes (sometimes called the north coast), and the Mississippi which is a river that is able to stand next to the Amazon and Nile, but is surrounded by arable and hospitable land.
For the Atlantic coast the major ports are largely in the northeast, florida, and Louisiana. They’d be able to build up South Carolina I’m sure, and if they need to can probably build up Alabama and Mississippi. But no real issues because they’d have Florida and New Orleans.
The Pacific coast is California, Oregon, and Washington( with its major ports being some of the bluest cities in the country. Though the non contiguous states are both pacific, but alaska swings and is contrary and Hawaii is blue and in the middle of the ocean. That’s irrelevant though because they’re accessed by air and sea. They get nothing there snd would rely on the Panama Canal.
The Great Lakes are a blue region. Michigan swings, as does Wisconsin, but the bluest part of Ohio aside from Columbus is the northern coastline (obviously especially Cleveland), the bluest region of Indiana is their northern coastline, and every other Great Lakes state is either blue or swing. And thanks to canals the Great Lakes allow for goods to be sent to the ocean, but it’s through the northeast so in a hostile situation Indiana and Ohio are basically landlocked. I imagine because of that Wisconsin and Michigan would go blue. It’s just too advantageous to not (similar to Kentucky and Maryland in the civil war)
The Mississippi is where they’d thrive. Louisiana is a major hit to the blue states here, the Mississippi is one of our country’s best economic features, and they’d be getting most states that border it, which doesn’t matter because they’d also be getting the outlet. The trumpistani economy would more or less be entirely dependent on it. And blockading the Mississippi is not only an obvious thing to do if civil war, it’s something the north did in the last one
Since the House and EC are capped, we should take the excess population that is not being represented and move it around.
They'll get it from Russian and Saudi oligarchs, maybe.
Boise is pretty rad tho
Too bad you guys and Idaho are gonna be New NorCal.
It would be great if Canada could peacefully annex "America" and leave 4th World Dumbfuckistan to themselves.
she would be very surprised if she could read. i wonder who would pay for a lot of walls that would need to be built, though.
As a Californian dont pull that stupid shit, the only reason we are so functional is cause the rural areas are more or less overridden by the urban areas breaking us up would break that.
Lets not fuck around and find out thanks, plus then ya lose Californian nationalism which is part of the reason we are vaguely functional.
I know I'm being pedantic here, but wouldn't that be California Statism, or Californian State Pride?
Edit: Californian State Pride is totally what the LGBTQ+ community should refer to the parades in San Francisco as.
As a southern-ish Texan, I love this idea. Granted, the border-city cartels will probably murder the shit out of me, but I could briefly celebrate Mexican heritage without feeling like a poseur.
They should take them over and then deport all the gringos.
Since when has the US ever cared
I sincerely doubt that Mexico wants them. Cut them loose and let them sink on their own.
Oh, and send DNC themed evacuation busses so that innocents can escape.
Blue states and red states split as per last election map with exceptions that:
Virgina, Illinois, Minnesota can go red... Arizona will go blue.
We take most of the burden for the Mexican border, they should be happy about that, right?
Can the purple states decide whether to stay with mom or dad? Maybe in 2 years when the farmers are all destitute
Fucking do it already, I'm tired of the roller coaster. Let them have their MAGA utopia of Dumbfuckistan and leave the rest of us be to maybe finally start fixing things that have been broken for half a century.
Mmmhmmmm "States rights until they won't go along with our bullshit".
What's going on with MTG right now? Release the results of the congressional investigations, allowing the crooks and paedophiles to be driven out as the cripplingly stupid welfare queen red states seceed to starve as the blue states enter an era of prosperity... Broken clocks and whatnot, I suppose.
Bye, Felicia
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.......yeah, ok. Sounds good.
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