The impression of legitimacy enjoyed by chiropractic is too damn high. I was well into my 20s before I ever heard a single word about it being pseudoscience. Walking around (usually on people's fucking spines) calling themselves doctors, I absolutely believed it was just some sub-variety of physiotherapy, which I guess is the point. In the whole universe of alternative medicine, I think that has to be the practice which has most effectively disguised itself as conventional medicine. It's gross.

I find irony that they disregard expert opinions on the things they are experts for (climate scientists for example) but will accept an entire worldview of opinions based on someone being "smart" like the opinion of a software engineer has on philosophy or politics.

Reject the expert on the subject they're an expert on because that makes them "elite" and they were trained to think that was bad, but accept an unfounded opinion of someone who may be smart in an unrelated field because the opinion is "different" so it must be "smart"

I think this is the trap all self assigned internet intellectuals fall into. They parrot opinions and vibes from echo chambers that discredit real science or real reporting and call it enlightenment. This in itself is stupid, but then even more stupid people are drawn in and suddenly we have a big club of geniuses

Just curious, is this chiro actually injecting something into their joints? Or is it like pretend injections, like with that magic gun thing that makes a click but doesn't actually do anything?

how it punishes gender non-conformity

Fit the mold or die. Always the same.

The only reason to root gender in how you were born is to ensure gender roles are as rigid and immutable as possible.

This, this right here, that's the game, that's the whole game. They want to punish transness and then start changing what the definition of trans is.

"Your daughter was wearing pants, and said no when my boy asked her out, that's trans behavior and it's unAmerican, might have to report you to a correction agency if this shit doesn't stop."

Neil deGrasse Tyson and literally anything other than astrophysics

I guees it needs (relevant) inserted?

Yeah, both sides are wrong here.

Dunning-Kruger is bad, but so is credentialism and appeal to authority.

Even Noble Prize winners are surprisingly often affected by this -> wikipedia:Noble disease

There hugs AND kisses people?

I swear I was learning about extra X and Y in high school 20 years ago and that studies (at the time) were showing correlation between different traits displayed by effected people. Just that alone shows incredible gender fluidity.

So where we are, 20 years later, you’d think we’d have a better understanding within society but instead somehow it’s literally regressed since then.

Are there cases that these are none sterile? I know 1/4 of trisomy 21 moms can get pregnant but klinefeld and other gonosomal trisomy were taught being sterile when I last looked.

I would honestly be very surprised if any Republican politicians actually care about sex or gender. I think they're just evil and those are convenient issues to divide the working class. When you don't have popular policy in real issues, you need to make up some fake ones to get people to still support you.

Exactly. They just don't care. They're not necessarily ignorant and participating in good faith.

Is there some third gender that trans people can transition to that I'm unaware of? I'm afraid I don't follow the whole situation all too well sorry. My partner has some transgender family members, but i've never i've seen anyone that isn't male to female or female to male. I guess non binary exists, but doesn't that mean no gender or both?

I'm afraid I don't know much on the subject It's unfortunate.

Fig 1 is a modified emotional change curve applied in learning and business settings. The term "Valley of Despair" is used in both concepts, and it's cool, memorable verbiage, but it shouldn't imply relation between Dunning-Kreuger and the change curve

https://forfengdesigns.com/...

Image description: A modified emotional change curve from Evocon with Y-Axis being "attitude during change process" and X-Axis is time. There are 6 emotional phases described on this chart: 1. Neutral attitude, no knowledge; 2. Initial excitement, motivated; 3. Denial, indifferent, passive, apathy; 4. Resistance, frustration, doubt, anxiety (this phase falls below neutral and is described as "The Valley of Despair"); 5. Exploration, energized, small wins, creative; 6. Commitment, enthusiasm, problem solving, focus, team work.

Yeah, it's really frustrating and quite ironic that pop culture keeps using this obscure scientific reference, that they don't really understand in its intended context, to describe something that really ought be plainly said: that we all have a tendency to overinflate our competence. if anything Dunning-Krueger showed that only the most seasoned experts judge themselves modestly. (and even then we'd likely only find their modesty in that particular area of expertise). it's a commentary on all of us!

But no, people name-drop this research just to dunk on people and feel smugly superior. (and I am glad I agree with the politics of the intellectual in the OP, that means it's okay and I'm a bit more competent too!) ugh. I cringe every time i read someone say Dunning-Krueger.

PS on your first image, whoever failed to put "phd student" at the trough of that curve fucked up

While I know of the proper dunning-kruger effect chart, that still doesn't help me out of the imposter syndrome valley of despair

it is basic biology, ie biology simplified to teach a kid in middle school. the thing is sciences don't stop at middle school level. a lot of university education is about clarifying that things you learned before were simplified to the point that they're practically useless if not outright wrong.

Actually, the science says you will feel regret and will grow to resent that shirt over time. /s

Dunning-Krueger effect is the delusion that you are smarter than a serial killer who stalks teenagers in their nightmares.

"That's doctor Evil. I didn't spend 8 years in evil medical school to be called mister, thank you very much."

I was once the hero now I am the villain

Okay but what is good engagement against "follow the science" aside from "I literally DO the science"? Dr. McCreight offered a point and was met with "nuh uh" so at that point it can hardly be called an argument or debate. Do those fallacies honestly matter at that point when one refuses to engage with tangible points of discussion?

If one hasn't fallen victim to Dunning-Kruger, then they have not advanced their knowledge in any meaningful capacity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome

tldr biology is dice rolls and humans are intersex for no reason sometimes

on a side note one of my friends had this and she only found out when she started transitioning. she is now a trans woman with XX chromosomes. i can only imagine how fucking vindicating it must have felt

De La Chappell syndrome, congenital adrenal hyperplasia, androgen exposure in utero, ovotesticular disorder of of sex development all result in a person with cis male characteristics and in some cases cis male typical genitalia despite having xx chromosomes

Gene expression is not as straightforward as people think. All sorts of weird shit can happen, and that's not even including gene mutations.

https://static.scientificamerican.com/...

This is the best resource I've seen to show things relatively simply.

The TL;DR is that a whole "Y" chromosome isn't exactly responsible for "maleness", the SRY gene is. It's normally on the Y chromosome, but mutations can occur placing that gene onto the X chromosome. Inversely, someone could inherit a Y chromosome without that gene, in which case they would develop with female traits.

It's not considered trans because someone with 46XX plus the SRY gene would develop male genitalia, be identified as male at birth, and likely identify themselves as male. For some types of these conditions, there are plenty of people walking around with no clue that their chromosomes don't match their gender.

Disclaimer: I'm not a geneticist, so i could have explained something a little off.

Maybe she means the exceptions?

Exceptions: While XX and XY are the most common sex chromosome combinations, there are exceptions, such as individuals with variations in their sex chromosomes, such as XXY (Klinefelter syndrome) or XYY.

Outward, their genitals might look like those of the oposite sex.

cis just means your current gender identity is the same that was assigned to you at birth. there are cases where someone has XX chromosomes, but the body develops as male.

I can try. The cis part means the person's naughty bits are aligned with their gender identity. The male is their gender identity. So post-bottom surgery it's perfectly possible. If you use different definitions for concepts though you will have difficulty making it work.

None of this has anything to do with the claimed PhD in genomics though. These are socio-cultural concepts. So they should stick their PhD where it belongs and address the arguments head on instead of trying to argue from authority.

That's gloriously devious

It may as well be astrophysics for some people.

It be an art.

Art has weight that influences the human psyche. Let the man work.

But linguistics is

I never tell people I have a PhD. It's rude, plus I don't have one.

Tbf, they kinda earned the right to brag.

I mean yeah, if you spent 5 years of your life pushing the edge of human understanding on a subject, and a shithead tells you to do the science on your research subject, it's relevant lol

True, but I do think it was warranted in this case.

This is putting confirmation bias to the extreme.

Well you don't know people with PhD that don't tell you they have one

Sometimes they don't tell you and just quietly update all of their usernames...

How do you know someone has a PhD?

When it becomes acutely relevant, they'll politely let you know, and then you can become annoyed at them about it.

Thinking about it, that exact thing also applies to other 'how do you know someone is/has/does [...]' as well.

Funny enough, my boss has a PhD in Evolutionary Biology. She never tells people because they start referring to her as Doctor, and she hates that. I don't think I've actually ever heard her bring it up on her own.

..why shouldn't they?

There's a bunch of them, but one more common example is Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome.

It's also possible to have a non-functional SRY (XY but female), or to be XX with an SRY translocation (XX but male).

Biology is complicated: pretty much anyone who says it only happens one way or is really simple is wrong.

Can I interest you in a logical phallus?

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I think it's sus that a Math Lecturer decides to post an article about philosophy and then doesn't describe any of the steps he took. The article basically just says i did a thing, but doesnt explain what he did/how to reproduce the result... On the other hand, philosophy is a field with many wrong conclusions and the like, so it is believable. But again in my eyes it's not proven, since it's just 'one guy' saying something and not replicated nor reproduced.

Edit after replied comment edit: The second article you linked (actually the first in the post) changes my believe about the dunning-kruger effect. Thank you for sharing!

I mean look at the brainrot in this very thread

Those are two real medical diagnoses - Swyer syndrome or XY gonadal dysgenesis for XY women (occurs in about 1:100000 women) and de la Chapelle syndrome or XX male syndrome for XX men (occurs in about 1:20000 to 1:30000 men)

Here is a NORD report on Swyer syndrome, as well as the original article on de la Chapelle syndrome: 1.https://rarediseases.org/... 2.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1762158/

A person’s biological sex usually refers to their status as female or male depending on their chromosomes, reproductive organs, and other characteristics. Chromosomes are tightly packed DNA, or molecules that contain the genetic instructions for the development and functioning of all living things. Humans typically have forty-six chromosomes. Two of those are sex chromosomes that contain instructions for the development and functioning of characteristics related to biological sex, such as reproductive organs. There are two kinds of human sex chromosomes, X and Y. Individuals identified as males tend to have one X and one Y chromosome, while those identified as females tend to have two X chromosomes. However, other people are born with other chromosome combinations, such as XXY, that lead them to develop a mix of characteristics. People who fit that description are often referred to as intersex, a category for people whose bodies do not conform with stereotypical expectations of males or females at birth.

Taken from here

Evidence seems pretty strong to me.

My take is that sex-linked characteristic are grouped together due to prehistoric and historic evolution. Since I dont have a womb my tits would not have been worth the energy cost in an ancestral environment. Therefore, they are not coded in my DNA and I have to dose to maintain them.

There are people who are different, that is a fact.

Some folks are given "PhD", others are kidnapped and sent to concentration camps. Is the education system legitimate, or corrupted by authority?

Yes, they can; for example, when the SRY1 gene is transferred to the X chromosome, they can get pregnant.

He’s referring to medical conditions where XY people are born female or XX people are born male.

Except that she has the relevant expertise, and therefore this does not apply.

If we analyse it critically, there are six questions we can ask:

Expertise: How credible is the authority as a expert source?
Field: Is the authority an expert in a field relevant to the assertion?
Opinion: What does the authority assert that implies the assertion?
Trustworthiness: Is the expert personally reliable as a source?
Consistency: Is the assertion consistent with what other experts assert?
Backup evidence: Is the expert's assertion based on evidence?

And on these regards we can say: she is credible, an expert in said field of genomics, and asserts that XX can be cis men too and vice versa; and she indeed is trustworthy, her assertions being consistent. Plenty of evidence to look it up.

Countries besides the US exist, y'know? Where getting a master's degree does not require you to go into debt and you're usually employed by the university as a TA while pursuing a PhD?

They are not saying that the X chromosome mutates to Y, but rather saying that XY doesn't define the sex. For example, some people with XY are born with female genitalia and look female their whole lives. Sometimes they don't find out they are XY until trying to have kids and are unable to. It isn't like the X changes to Y over time. That isn't possible.

thee are only 2 atoms in the universe: hydrogen (74%) and helium (24%). so you're either a Hydrogen, a Helium or have a syndrome

I found the one with Dunning-Kruger! Do I win a prize???

XY it’s man, XX it’s woman, nothing will ever change that…

I think it's really funny you left out the exact intersex conditions that disprove your point, Swyer syndrome and de la Chapelle syndrome.

You are either a man, a woman, or you have a syndrome

So someone with de la Chapelle syndrome is neither a man nor a woman but has a syndrome? 'Man' and 'woman' are social categories and syndrome is not, so this makes no sense. Also I doubt you'd be able to spot the 'syndrome' in a group of men.

It’s a delusion to believe that you can change your biological sex during your lifetime.

This is a strawman I see repeated a lot. I've never seen trans advocates claim this, only opponents. Even then I would still argue that it is true to some extent. Sex is not just chromosomes (as proven by the two conditions I linked above). It's made up of many different characteristics and you can change some of them, e.g. with hormone replacement therapy, which changes some secondary sex characteristics. Or even just gynecomastia does it too.

For people who are interested in what the actual science says about this topic I recommend Forrest Valkai's new Sex and Sensibility video (warning, it's long).

Edit:

And no, you won’t change speech, you are a man and a he, a woman and a she. That’s it, you can get as angry as you want, nothing will ever change that.

Language is completely made up and changes all the time. But you're claiming it will never change again?

You're a sad transphobic loser. Have fun being banned. I'll personally find and report the rest of your alts to make sure you're banned from all of Lemmy forever.