Crabs in a barrel
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dingleberry -9 points 3 years ago
It's what mainlaind Taiwan started with.
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BanthaFood 24 points 3 years ago
"Communism is when the government does stuff." -The wandering spirit of the head of a very real University
vis4valentine -56 points 3 years ago
No. But focusing on supporting one single app instead of the platform is not sustainable for the platform. This meme is just a reminder to support the platform as well.
ShustOne 42 points 3 years ago
I haven't seen a single call to action to donate to Lemmy other than the static sidebar on desktop. Something like that would be far more helpful than complaining about previous Sync users continuing to donate to Sync. Nothing is being taken from Lemmy, Sync already had a big user base and is bringing many of them over here thanks to the app. Let's call to action to them to donate to instances instead of complaining.
devnull406 2 points 2 years ago
Accurate. I used Sync for Reddit until they were forced out. I then switched to Sync for Lemmy for the familiar interface, the ease of setup, etc. Sync literally brought me to Lemmy.
Since then I looked around and still prefer this app. On a side note: why does the UI for Voyager on Android look like some old version of iOS?
Hate all you want but Sync being popular is a good thing for Lemmy adoption.
WiildFiire 9 points 3 years ago
Would you have ever posted something like this is sync didn't come out? Why didn't you post something like this before sync came out?
collegefurtrader 9 points 3 years ago
Who are you speaking of? How many users are on sync versus all the others?
gkd 19 points 3 years ago
Yea this is the thing I keep saying. Who cares about if you're paying $20 for an app if that's what you want to do. Just remember to help out the instances who are running things to make that app work. I think a lot of people realize this and that's great, but I'm sure some people also don't. So, instead of circlejerking about Sync being $20, it would have been better for make one or two posts days ago with that reminder and leave it be. Instead, we see the circlejerk continuing days later.
ethLabsAlpha 7 points 3 years ago
A new platform like Lemmy needs to establish trust and reliability for a certain time period before it can expect people to give back something. Something that the Sync developer has established already for a decade now.
Assuming that Lemmy continues to flourish well, I will be perfectly happy to donate to Lemmy, in fact I'm quite sure that in the long run I'll donate a lot more to Lemmy than the one time purchase cost of Sync.
Jackcooper 37 points 3 years ago
Sir that's not your $20, that's ops money to decide what you do with it
drekly 17 points 3 years ago
I mean, take that up with Reddit. Hopefully, lemmy doesn't somehow stop people from using apps.
Besides I'm happy to pay for the development costs of him porting the entire thing to use lemmy instead super fast, whilst being really responsive to any issues and questions. Of the 5 apps on my phone, sync feels the best to me so I'm cool supporting it.
MiDaBa 129 points 3 years ago
I saw an earlier post that showed Lemmy's recent rapid growth followed by a plateau and then slight decline. My feeling is that there is a very LOUD minority of Lemmy users that are trying to act as self-anointed gatekeepers and they're bringing the platform down as a direct consequence. It makes the platform look petty and small to new and existing users alike. If the top posts are continually about shaming other users then this platform isn't going to last. Let's focus on building communities and having interesting conversations rather than one upping each other.
JackbyDev 16 points 3 years ago
When Sync lauched it was all anyone was talking about. I don't see the memes for and against Sync as people actually upset I just think it is the meta topic of the week. Like when beans were a meme following the "how can I not poop for three days?"
RickRussell_CA 5 points 3 years ago
The Poop Warrior shall live on in our memories.
Angry_Maple 3 points 3 years ago
Imo when it comes to topics like that, people tend to be able to just brush it off as a silly internet thing.
A silly internet thing is not necessarily equivalent a toxic community. I'm good with annoying posts, but a lot of people are taking other people's personal decisions a little too personally. I find that behaviour more annoying than I ever found the bean posts, tbh.
Why would someone spend their free time somewhere that they feel brings bad aspects to their life? Why would someone want to deal with a lot of negativity over (let's be honest) pretty minor things? Of course some users will get put off by that. It's why some people left Reddit years ago.
GFGJewbacca 2 points 3 years ago
I just wanted to tell you how happy I was to see the Netscape logo as your icon. Brought me back to the old days of the internet.
RustyShackleford 1 point 3 years ago
very LOUD minority
self-anointed gatekeepers
top posts are continually about shaming other users
Crabs in a bucket. No one's allowed to succeed, unless everyone™ does.
Scrithwire 30 points 3 years ago
Same. Dedicated sync for reddit user, now that sync for reddit is dead, I'll follow the sync dev and support him with my Dollars
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STUPIDVIPGUY 92 points 3 years ago
this is dumb, sync is free
crimsdings 30 points 3 years ago
Then how am I using it for free right now ?
Mr_Dr_Oink 25 points 3 years ago
Right, so it's free. With ads. Ads that currently dont work, and even if they did, i still haven't paid for sync, so its free for me.
Also, why do you care if people are using sync or paying for it. How does that affect you personally?
quantenzitrone 6 points 3 years ago
free is considered to mean libre not gratis here
sync is proprietary
nickwitha_k -6 points 3 years ago
Ad-supported software is not free.
RustyShackleford 2 points 3 years ago
"Freemium"
electriccars 16 points 3 years ago
You think Sync users don't also donate? I paid for sync and donated to Lemmy's development. Considering donating to my 2 main instances as well.
AlpacaChariot 15 points 3 years ago
That's literally Reddit's argument against third party apps, the reason a good chunk of Lemmy users left reddit is they disagree with that approach...
Trapping5341 12 points 3 years ago
But it's fine if I cost an app dev their time and instances money and give nothing to no one? Genuine question because I don't understand all the sync hate.
natebluehooves 6 points 3 years ago
My lemmy server is selfhosted (pawb.social), and the running costs are pretty negligible after initial costs.
We get plenty of donations honestly, but that is obviously not universal.
APassenger 1 point 3 years ago
We pay.
You assume.
It's junior level reasoning.
APassenger 1 point 3 years ago
I just said we pay. You seem to think I'm talking about Sync.
I'm not. Technically, I guess I could be talking about both server and sync.
What I've seen on Lemmy is I can say I paid for Sync and donate to the server and someone will need to come along to tell me all of that money should go to Lemmy.
That's too either/or. And it's making Lemmy look... incapable of nuanced thought. Or entitled.
It's not everyone, but it's common enough it looks really odd.
Mr_Dr_Oink 87 points 3 years ago
But im using sync for free.
Why are people so angry about this?
OceanSoap 30 points 3 years ago
The people who are actually angry tend to be FOSS advocates. I think they were assuming Sync would have a FOSS type option for users, and were surprised that wasn't the case.
The rest of us just think it's funny.
I'm a sync user, btw
Mr_Dr_Oink 15 points 3 years ago
Im just happy for the influx of posts commenta and votes since sync launched.
Before it was a good day if a post got 50 upvotes Now its common to see 200+ and theres a ton more comments.
Its improved the experience in my opinion.
FreeLunch 2 points 3 years ago
If you are not paying for Sync you are getting ads. So you are still paying (attention, data, you are the product).
Additionally proprietary software has some long term disadvantages that are not visible at first. This is why one needs to always inform people about it as they do not understand these disadvantages.
The biggest issue is that the owners of the proprietary code can change its course whenever they like it. See for example the Reddit Apollo Dev who would have sold out the community for 10 million dollars:
See his own published audio and the discussion on HN:
CobraChicken 8 points 3 years ago
Hey are you db2 from reddit who used to be into vapes?
CobraChicken 3 points 3 years ago
Oh wow good to see you here! I remember you from the early days when we had less than 6k subs there!
It used to be such a fun, vibrant and exciting hobby and community. It so sad to see how regulations basically strangled the life out of it. It's very nice to see familiar usernames pop up here and there!
MonkeyBusiness -6 points 3 years ago
Gay
kresten 2 points 3 years ago
Honestly. This isn't some centralized platform. Donating at least some of the profits to the people making the app possible seems fitting. While I don't agree with the API pricing of Reddit, I think it's fitting that it should cost something at least, if not only to cover wage for the people working on the API
CobraChicken 3 points 3 years ago
Lead the way please
CobraChicken 61 points 3 years ago
Hey OP why don't you start by sharing your donation receipts to Lemmy?
LambLeeg -21 points 3 years ago
It is not about that. Sync for Lemmy is five times as expensive in comparison to the Reddit version, plus it is a subscription model. Pure evil. I am not even adding that the whole platform is FOSS, but Sync. Pay money to Lemmy if you want, not to a greedy developer of a client. Lemmy has no ads, only donations. Yet, people are buying the "good UI" BS. Develop Lemmy per se, not a proprietary parasite. Or pay to server hosts. No, people pay to someone who has nothing to do with the Lemmy itself.
Sync is literally made off the spyware: https://reddthat.com/comment/1586624
UPD. Couldn't care any less about someone else's feelings. I am pro-facts, these won't take into account how you feel. Actually, no one cares about those
humanplayer2 10 points 3 years ago
plus it is a subscription model.
There is a non-subscription model that also disables the admob tracking.
I am pro-facts
But not nuances, it feels.
APassenger 9 points 3 years ago
That's not just a feeling. They professionally cherry picked facts to try to generate outrage. And threw any context out the window along the way.
I have never seen a website so consistently entitled. It changes my sympathetic view of the left into a need to self reflect and maybe ensure those sympathies get solid, unwavering boundaries.
No one is entitled to other people's stuff. We can credibly argue whether value is flowing to the right places, but that's not what I'm seeing on lemmy in sync-bash posts.
southsamurai 47 points 3 years ago
And this kind of idiocy is why I'm glad there's a user block
spookedbyroaches 39 points 3 years ago
Why would people do this? We want the hughest amount of users we can, and for most people to believe in FOSS or even copyleft philosophy, but this just pushes people away. Just use whatever app you like best and maybe donate to incentivize the app you believe in. But to just relenlessly mock non-FOSS apps only hurts the community and doesn't foster growth.
AlpacaChariot 10 points 3 years ago
You could say it doesn't fosster growth
foggy 33 points 3 years ago
This is such an annoying opinion.
The sync app dev is charging for a product. They know they have a market, albeit narrow. The income will be chunky and consistent.
The Lemmy devs provide a free platform and ask for donations. They know they have a market. It's enormous. The income is gratuity.
Neither party should be surprised about who is raking in how much cash or why. I'm sure they're not.
No user should be confused about why both parties are doing what they're doing. No one should be confused about how it's going for them. But for some reason y'all won't stfu about it.
It's just so asinine.
tja 28 points 3 years ago
Not sure what you are talking about? I did not (yet) pay the 20€ for the ad free version of sync. But I did donate more than double that amount to the lemmy devs. And if my instance would accept donations, I also would have donated there
RickRussell_CA 4 points 3 years ago
Same. I support dessamines on Patreon and I've dropped donations in several other places.
I'll pay for Sync again, eventually. But I'll stick to the ad supported version until it stabilizes.
son_named_bort 28 points 3 years ago
Lemmy users have money?
HobbitFoot 14 points 3 years ago
Yeah, but they don't like to spend it.
nexussapphire 1 point 3 years ago
Just like all the other apps and services that didn't demand anything, I'll donate when I can afford it. It worked for textra, progression workout app, bitwarden, davinchi resolve, and one of the ad blockers for iPad, etc....
The lemmy instance I use and the app I'm currently using will come when I can afford it but not because they withhold features or sell my data to advertisers till I do.
Holzkohlen 22 points 3 years ago
This image is awful. Rich assholes would never allow the pipe to drip.
Pyr_Pressure 22 points 3 years ago
Not sure I would call the dev of sync a rich asshole. It's only one dude and the app is livelihood. He is very responsive to input and very good at what he does. It's a great app. Or it was, for reddit. Currently still some growing pains but impressed how well it is considering it's been only one month.
bighatchester 1 point 3 years ago
Are you saying that every one who pays for sync is an asshole ? I don't even know where to donate if I could right now .
_TK 3 points 3 years ago
Donate to the folks who run the instance you are on. From their own sidebar: https://opencollective.com/mastodonworld, https://patreon.com/mastodonworld. It is not hard to find.
sudostartx 20 points 3 years ago
That developer guy must have gotten very rich if we all 20 Lemmy Sync users bought his app.
I wonder what's the percentage of Sync users vs the rest, seeing how passionate some are about Lemmy, it probably means they are inundating Lemmy developers with donations and just want us to do the same.
justastranger 7 points 3 years ago
Google Play reports 10k+ downloads, probably only a fraction have paid anything
ZarbtheBard 15 points 3 years ago
lmao are you for real, if you don't like it just use one of the other apps or just use it and don't pay for it all of this complaining about it is just pathetic
bunkyprewster 13 points 3 years ago
I've been a long time Sync user and paid for everything he asked when it was Reddit. I'm $5 a month for my instance - startrek.website.
Haven't yet kicked in for Lemmy Sync. I feel good about sending some cash to the dev, but don't love subscriptions and the lifetime payment of $100 is a little too rich for me.
s1ndr0m3 13 points 3 years ago
No. But you have to pay for ad-free. The ultra subscription service is more expensive than it was under reddit Sync. I'm hoping the prices will go down as the app gets more popular. I'm guessing the dev is trying to make up for the lost revenue from shutting down the reddit app.
s1ndr0m3 1 point 3 years ago
I use sync and love it. I used sync for reddit and paid the pro and the ultra subscription. I don't have a problem with the app. I was just clarifying what the payment options were for. I don't know how expensive it is to run an app or the server for the ultra features.
sennalonso1981 12 points 3 years ago
Voyager for the win
APassenger 4 points 3 years ago
No... no sync users donate. They used ALL THEIR MONEYZ to buy the app.
/s just to be sure
mgiuca 10 points 3 years ago
It would be unnecessary if Lemmy's web UI was actually reasonable. As it is, every single time I open the app, I have to log in again, then refresh the page to see anything at all. The news feed is paginated rather than endless scroll. When I press the back button on a comment thread, it takes me back to the page before the one I was looking at, so I lose my place. It's borderline unusable.
So I guess I'll give my ad eyeballs to the app that actually works.
vis4valentine 8 points 3 years ago
every single time I open the app, I have to log in again, then refresh the page to see anything at all
That doesn't happen to me, check your browser.
nostradiel 10 points 3 years ago
Honestly why would I pay so much when I can use Summit for free? I don't mind supporting developers but 20$ is quite pricy. And the other price option are imho nuts. I paid for pro version of Boost for Reddit 4$, that's reasonable, maybe upto 10$. It's just an app for viewing content. It's not groundbreaking program or game.. And if you multiple the price x sales, the developers will make money anyway.
Aristoxene 8 points 3 years ago
Sync is cool,but Jerboa is currently good-enough, while being free as in free beer, to wait until the recently released Infinity for Lemmy are being more robust.
theragu40 8 points 3 years ago
Opinions are opinions. That is yours.
Mine is that I have used Jerboa since I joined Lemmy a couple months ago. It's improved a lot, and even in its latest iteration is nowhere near as polished and nice as sync. It was an easy decision to switch.
lolcatnip 3 points 3 years ago
The latest release of Jerboa keeps crashing on me, totally losing my place. I'm currently posting from Liftoff but I've also been using Connect sometimes, but both of those clients have their own issues.
toastedenough 3 points 3 years ago
Isn't jerboa sorta like the de facto official client?
sounddrill 2 points 3 years ago
Infinity is even better... when it works and doesn't crash
drdalek13 7 points 3 years ago
I used Sync Pro for Reddit (RIP) and loved it, that being said, reddit was full of ads.
Lemmy is not by design, therefore I am sticking with Connect. (Let me know if there is something better, that isn't Sync!)
DNAmaster10 3 points 3 years ago
Obviously my opinion, but infinity for lemmy has worked really great for me so far on Android!
vis4valentine 1 point 3 years ago
IMO, Voyager.
AlmightySnoo 6 points 3 years ago
but, but.. the UX!
h0rnman 20 points 3 years ago
I feel like this is legitimately more true than a lot of people think. Say what you want about the average end user, but UX is a HUGE driver with regard to adoption and user uptake. You can have the best of everything else in your application, but if the UX sucks, folks just aren't going to use it
vitia 3 points 3 years ago
it's the problem with most FOSS app imo. people would like them more if the overall UX was better. most proprietary apps today have shit UX because of monetisation and all the confirm pop ups for data selling, but anyone will still choose proprietary over Foss because of the abysmal UX Foss has
DaBabyAteMaDingo 5 points 3 years ago
I totally agree!
!This comment was possible through Sync. Sync "Why? Because fuck you, that's why"!<
Edit: my old shit posting methods don't work here :'(
BeefDaddySupreme 3 points 3 years ago
I'm using connect for Lemi currently
TeaEndsAcronyms 1 point 3 years ago
Idk, I really like infinity for Lemmy! I'll try it tho :)
papalonian -2 points 3 years ago
That was super epic gamer of you 😎 sure showed him heheheh what will you use your awesome powers for next? Pls no block I want to see your brilliant content 🥺
antony 1 point 3 years ago
I know I'm probably in the minority here but.... I'm a desk jockey.
I don't use Lemmy on a handheld. I didn't use Reddit that way either. The web interface works well enough for me, or rather whatever lemmy.ca uses is good when set to vaporwave-light. Try the different themes, some are better than others.
The pagination though... it's a little short for my taste but I prefer it over doomscrolling.
adolf_hitler -2 points 3 years ago
Please be nice.
SpaceNoodle -5 points 3 years ago
Sync is a 3P app, dipshit.
BanthaFood -5 points 3 years ago
Language
at_an_angle 9 points 3 years ago
English, mother fucker.
Andrew15_5 -5 points 3 years ago
Do you speak it?
!Deadpool reference!<
(Sync haven't changed spoiler syntax yet)
SpaceNoodle -3 points 3 years ago
Grow up.
BanthaFood 0 points 3 years ago
Bro doesn't understand sarcasm...
SpaceNoodle -3 points 3 years ago
No, you certainly don't.
Psythik -20 points 3 years ago
Sync isn't even good. I hate how you have to tap on "exactly" the right spot on a post to see the comments. Drives me insane.
In the meantime I've been alternating between Infinity and Voyager (the APK version). Neither are perfect but at least navigation isn't as finicky. I miss Relay.
SmoothSurfer -32 points 3 years ago
No one is more hated than he who speaks truth
kresten -9 points 3 years ago
That the entire ecosystem is dependent on donations. If this new social media thing is going to work out, we need to divide our donations to all actors involved: developers, instance admins, and thirdparty app developers. It's easy to forget the people behind it
kresten -2 points 3 years ago
That's my thought at least. Donating to all actors involved would be best, but it's easy to give the frontend developer all the love, because the work that's being done behind is less tangible and harder to really see.
SmoothSurfer 1 point 3 years ago
They have no idea what they are down voting. They do it just because it is against sync. You are just stating we should support foss devs. They literally are just bunch of fucking idiots that probably came here just by following others. It would be awesome if they could just fuck off from fediverse and go lurk in reddit.
nightynight 3 points 3 years ago
"Taking advantage" you meant the developers have to inform each other and sync up on one release?
zoe 0 points 3 years ago
just an assumption ( also u guys need to be open for some critique, facking hell! ) but also why his pricing is way more than he used to charge for sync for reddit ? said he would work on the app 'full time': what does that even mean ? would he quit his day job for the app ? would such an app require full time maintenance ? also pricing more than he used to do without sparing any thought for the instance admins kinda fishy: i know that lemmy code is beyond his reach but placing ads on feed is like taking instance owners for fools and shidding on them, at least while pricing leave some room for people so they can donate to instances until something serious is done about it..and please grow some brain cells before responding to this:and no, devs dont need to make each other aware about app release, ape
yoshipunk123456 3 points 3 years ago
my favorite one is and its a fork which would never be able to happen with any proprietary app
png 3 points 3 years ago
I am going to assume you want to know what a fork is. if not, ignore me.
If the sourcecode of a software is publicly available, someone can take that sourcecode and develop it into a different direction than the original software. In this case, a third-partt reddit app called Infinity is being developed into a Lemmy app by someone who is not the original dev.
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