Kids are short-circuiting their school-issued Chromebooks for TikTok clout

a year ago by return2ozma to c/technology

One participant is reportedly facing criminal charges in juvenile court.
ExtantHuman 142 points a year ago

I don't get it. I was never this stupid as a kid.

Edit: thank you for explaining to me that many of you were that stupid. I guess I never hung around any of you.

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WhiteRice 73 points a year ago

Are you sure? Kids are pretty stupid.

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ExtantHuman 55 points a year ago

I never intentionally destroyed expensive electronics to "try to impress" anyone in real life, let alone online (although that didn't quite exist yet).

So, yeah, I'm sure.

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mic_check_one_two 33 points a year ago

My buddy stuck a paper clip in an electrical socket while we were in the cafeteria. Because his cousin had told him it would shoot sparks across the room. All it did was make him scream real loud, then the power to half of the cafeteria went out when the breaker blew.

Another friend “accidentally” stapled his homework to his hand, to try and get out of going to music class. Apparently his plan was to ham it up and go to the nurse instead. The teacher laughed, called him an idiot, and sent him to music class with a band-aid.

Kids have always been fucking stupid. The only difference is that now every kid has an internet-connected camera in their pocket, so their stupidity is more visible.

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steal_your_face 8 points a year ago

In second grade I remember a kid stapled his tongue lol

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peregrin5 28 points a year ago

When I was a kid schools didn't have expensive electronics to destroy. But we sure drew a ton of penises in expensive textbooks.

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Ulrich 8 points a year ago

Those textbooks cost pennies. It's the licenses that were expensive.

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peregrin5 37 points a year ago

I used to be a teacher in the 2010s. I remember boys having this ghost pepper challenge they would do that would put them in literal tears.

I never stopped them. Some just have to learn through experience that being an idiot to impress your buds isn't going to result in a good time for you.

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paraphrand 28 points a year ago

That’s, like, a normal logical one. It’s actually food, it’s spicy. It makes sense to compete to see who can handle the spicy food. This is independently invented every day.

Stealing faucets from public bathrooms? That’s not a normal logical one. That’s a devious lick, and something invented to be highly memetic and propelled by a highly optimized algorithm that incentivizes recency, novelty, and dopamine hacking. It even effectively had a brand name!

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sem 5 points a year ago

How about pooping on top of the toilet reservoir?

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SatyrSack 14 points a year ago

My kid calls it an "upper decker"

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AA5B 2 points a year ago

That’s actually harming someone, at least the janitor but it’s a hygiene issue and potential disease source. Yes it’s a stupid teenage prank but it does actual harm to someone else. Not cool (plus i don’t get why this would be funny: I’d groups it with the crayon eater and glue huffer , possibly complain to the school about special kids that need more assistance)

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Bezier 9 points a year ago

Eating a spicy pepper is just harmless fun. I'd join in that activity today.

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catloaf 4 points a year ago

Yeah, but some of that stuff isn't just a spicy pepper. One kid died because of extreme capsaicin revealing a heart issue: https://www.nbcnews.com/...

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WizardofFrobozz 12 points a year ago

I don’t think anyone should be living their lives in fear of being killed by zestiness

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AA5B 4 points a year ago

If he died because playing soccer revealed a heart issue, would you ban soccer? At some point you need to stop overthinking all possible edge cases, stop attempting to pad yourself from all possible danger

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AA5B 4 points a year ago

I defend that one, it’s just challenging yourself, no harm to anyone else or any property, almost no danger of medical harm. What’s the harm in letting them embarrass themselves for the right to claim they did something others couldn’t?

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peregrin5 3 points a year ago

That's why I let them do it. If it would have harmed them seriously or someone else I would have stopped it. But still doesn't make it less stupid. They put themselves in legit pain due to peer pressure.

If anything it served a good lesson so they might be less likely to succumb to peer pressure on things which may cause real harm in the future.

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AA5B 3 points a year ago

If so, I never learned that lesson. When I first heard about the one chip challenge, I was seriously tempted to challenge my teens to see if they could beat me

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gradual 1 point a year ago

I've done something similar and it was completely harmless and only served as good entertainment for everyone involved.

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sexy_peach 12 points a year ago

I was pretty stupid

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sugar_in_your_tea 7 points a year ago

Same, but I had classmates who were.

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paraphrand 6 points a year ago

You didn’t have the same social and monetary incentives TikTok provides.

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AA5B 4 points a year ago

Most of us were differently stupid, only because we didn’t have access to other people’s stupid ideas.

My worst moment of stupidity was lighting off fireworks in a barn full of dry hay. That could have gone so much worse than just ruining some cheap disposable electronics

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Grandwolf319 2 points a year ago

Some of my shenanigans definitely involved breaking electronics

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gradual 1 point a year ago

Same. To me, messing with a computer seemed like a great way to be on the hook for destruction of school property.

(That said, I did once disable the USB inputs for a computer in the BIOS so the keyboard and mouse would stop working, as a practical joke.)

I guess I never hung around any of you.

Lol, good point. I often forget how I was put in advanced classes at an early age with other students who performed well. I need to consider that more in my adult life, that most of the adults I'm encountering were the people in the regular classes.

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Landless2029 1 point a year ago

Ditto. I grew up helping fix VCR by replacing displaced bands and gears. I knew to be careful not the let the magic smoke come out. Bad genie!

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rabber -11 points a year ago

I was. When the bell would ring and the halls were hectic I would put popcorn in the communal microwave and put like 20 min and leave and sometimes nobody would notice till it catches fire

I almost burned down the school a couple times

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ExtantHuman 14 points a year ago

Hopefully you're less of a piece of shit now

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rabber 1 point a year ago

Woah

Dude I was like 12 and severely bullied haha I'm a grown up now with a mortgage and a job

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jabathekek 6 points a year ago

I feel you. I suppose a lot of people can't imagine what it was like.

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ExtantHuman 0 points a year ago

Dude, Sounds like you were old enough to understand that almost burning down your school intentionally, multiple times, was bad. Bullies or not. I'm not sure why you're taken aback by someone thinking a little arsonist in training isn't a good kid.

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AA5B 2 points a year ago

I was a victim of this prank in college. We were on a road trip, sleeping in a lounge at another school and were awakened by a fire alarm. Somehow while we were sleeping a toaster with broken spring appeared on a table, filled with bread we didn’t have. The room filled with smoke, the entire dorm was evacuated, the fire department came.

After the fact, I realized I was probably explaining the situation to the perpetrators, but I don’t know if my annoyance at stupid prank was still amusing. They did keep straight faces.

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hal_5700X 100 points a year ago

TikTok is poison for the mind.

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sheogorath 14 points a year ago

It literally shrinks your brain with excessive usage.

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DarkWinterNights 71 points a year ago

Nearly 20 years ago, I was in a computer programming class surrounded by clunky towers and desktops.

Suddenly, a loud popping, then one of the machines starts belching smoke like a budget fog machine. The kid using it is calmly moved to another station while the prof investigates.

Fifteen minutes later - pop. Smoke again.

Turns out the kid was jamming a paperclip into the power supply like he was playing Operation: Arson Edition.

That was his last day.

On the bright side, computers are a lot cheaper now - and kids are still dumb. So, maybe progress?

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muusemuuse 21 points a year ago

This seems like something they should have engineered out of a product primarily used by schoolchildren.

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itsprobablyfine 9 points a year ago

Engineer out the electricity?

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muusemuuse -1 points a year ago

You can design something to survive pin shorting.

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BigPotato 2 points a year ago

They said 20 years ago. We literally had 'use a paperclip to turn on the computer on the test bench' as the standard practice. Designing things for people to do them wrong was very much not the style at the time.

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mhague 13 points a year ago

I have the same memory, except the teacher would just pop his head out from the office and tell us to knock it off. Someone managed to draw a giant line of Axe spray across the electronics desk/counter things and made a massive fireball. Nobody really got in trouble in that class.

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echodot 2 points a year ago

My cousin partially set his bedroom on fire doing something very similar with the foil from chewing gum. This was in the 1980s though so no one really cared, I'm pretty sure he just got shouted at.

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unphazed 2 points a year ago

We just pulled stupid pranks, like setting a repeating function with sound at the highest frequency in BASIC and locking the machines... on all the computers.

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Norin 68 points a year ago

Youthful rebellion transcends technology.

Is there much difference between this and, say, using a pen to drill a hole in your desk?

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SaltSong 60 points a year ago

Desks are cheaper, and the hole only slightly impairs functionality.

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TryingToActHuman 46 points a year ago

I'm not so sure about cheaper. A quick google search shows the desks I used in school are priced around $400-$600 depending on type (different subjects had different desks), whereas the Chromebooks are around $250. I definitely agree with your second point, though.

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SaltSong 26 points a year ago

Huh. Never realized chromebooks were priced that low.

Thanks for the correction.

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TryingToActHuman 17 points a year ago

Chromebooks are designed to be cheap and disposable. I've seen some as low as ~$100. That doesn't mean you can't get some very expensive ones, but since they basically only allow you to use Google and a select few apps from the play store, I don't know why the expensive ones exist.

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AA5B 2 points a year ago

They are very cheap. We had to buy them ourselves for our kids, which at least gave choices. We settled n $400 because for the cost of the cheapest piece of shit laptop, we could get a high end Chromebook that ran circles around it: faster, much more durable, much lighter, multiple times battery life

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IllNess 3 points a year ago

i don't know much about school desk but I can get a nice standing desk for $600. That is nuts.

Also I wonder if they sell replacement parts.

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GoatTnder 18 points a year ago

Industrial strength furniture that can withstand decades of abuse is not cheap.

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TryingToActHuman 4 points a year ago

I'm sure the schools don't pay that much for the desks (or the Chromebooks) since they buy in bulk -- those are just the prices I could find for single units. I was more trying to show the difference in price, rather than exactly how much the schools spend.

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TriflingToad 2 points a year ago

Also, most school laptops are old. Someone did this at my school and got charged (iirc) $175 since it was the really old kind

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dave 1 point a year ago

its cheap when you consider the desk could still be fully functional 100 years from now. good luck getting a chromebook to last even a quarter of that

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FreedomAdvocate -2 points a year ago

What sort of hole were you drilling in a desk with a pen in order to completely render the desk unusable?

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ililiililiililiilili 8 points a year ago

They also don't release magic smoke. All my homies hate vandalizing desks.

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IMongoose 14 points a year ago

Pen is less likely to start a fire and or create toxic smoke.

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slaneesh_is_right 9 points a year ago

We did it for the love of the game and not to impress strangers

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magic_smoke 2 points a year ago

Bullshit you did it to impress the other nosepickers, same reason these kids are doing it.

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sugar_in_your_tea 4 points a year ago

Yup, the nose pickers just moved online.

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LainTrain 8 points a year ago

I've never done that either. The fuck? did you eat paint as a kid?

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hoch 2 points a year ago

Drilling a hole in your desk doesn't lead to cancer.

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kami 1 point a year ago

Thank you, it's relieving to see that some people don't fall for the "kids today" bullshit

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Bezier 60 points a year ago

Aren't the families responsible for the damages?

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JaymesRS 38 points a year ago

Yes they are. These 9th graders are feral though. That realization would require forethought.

Some of these kids should have been sent out to cut trail for a year between HS and Middle School.

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mean_bean279 13 points a year ago

This is highly dependent on the state and even the areas within a state. Here in California for instance we have the Williams Act which lays out a ton of guidance. Some of which impact students paying for things at schools. Some districts in the state view Williams Act and 1:1 Chromebook deployments as being something that the student/parents aren’t responsible for paying for even when they purposefully damage it. This can change though from region to region in the state based on how a districts legal team and its board chooses to read the law since no one so far (at least as far as I was last aware and I work in edtech) has pushed to see where it stops or starts. I’ve worked for districts that were on separate ends of that spectrum and even in the district that made parents pay for damages we still would give them a replacement and not charge them since it was added to a “tab” and only if they wanted transcripts did they have to pay.

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JaymesRS 2 points a year ago

That's fair. In my district your insurance is covered if you qualify for assistance, but intentional damage isn't included in insurance.

In my school we will still replace the Chromebook though (barring admin or district saying otherwise), and the financial impact will be fought by others at the district level. It's above my pay grade.

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Warehouse 6 points a year ago

What does "cut trail" mean in this context? Do you mean literally going to walking trails and maintaining them? Is there precident for that?

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JaymesRS 11 points a year ago

That was what I was referring to. I was being a bit hyperbolic, but a year in national service (beyond just the military) to do community service and gain skills in general not a new proposal. Pete Buttigieg suggested it after HS as part of his candidacy during the 2020 democratic primary.

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AA5B 5 points a year ago

I was having a similar conversation with my teen - out hiking and wondering how the trails were built and maintained. We talked scouting service projects and all the way back to the WPA, but have no actual info. The park is a hill so there are several rough stone stairways up to the ridge trail. They probably last years but do need attention

Occasionally you see online ideas about a year of service for every new adult and this would be a good option

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macaw_dean_settle -1 points a year ago

*Junior High

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JaymesRS 1 point a year ago

In the states I've lived in, Junior High and Middle school are both synonymous with grades 6-8

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user224 59 points a year ago

the so-called Chromebook Challenge includes students sticking things into Chromebook ports to short-circuit the system.

I am rather surprised that works. I thought any modern device would have overload protection in place. I think I even remember accidentally tripping it on some device, but it would just reset after reboot.
I also tried to see the max output current of my previous phone this way. Load it up till the protection trips. Result: Stable up to 2.1A, tripped at 2.5A.

Oh, yeah. A Xiaomi phone charger I have also shuts down if I either overload it or immediately load it near max rating rather than gradually increase the load.

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TerHu 20 points a year ago

once put usb-c in a usb-a port and my desktop pc performed an immediate reboot without any permanent harm…

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Retro_unlimited 14 points a year ago

Maybe they are poking a hole in the lithium battery

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vext01 4 points a year ago

People used to do this in the UK with their ZX spectrums.

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chunes 56 points a year ago

I wish we lived in a world where they're doing it because they don't want locked-down toys issued by an evil corporation. But of course that's not the reason.

P.S. proprietary software should be illegal in education. Full stop.

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jj4211 24 points a year ago

I suppose the question would be the alternative.

Note the devices actively discouraging offline save is a huge asset to schools, since kids screw up a lot, forget their devices and need loaners to get through a day and such. Extra bonus if the device can't be too fun, to avoid them being overly used at home and get broken more.So Chromebook is desirable because they suck so much.

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ipkpjersi 13 points a year ago

I was thinking of buying a Chromebook for travelling cause it's cheap. I was very close to buying one, but someone told me about the world of used ThinkPads. I ended up buying a used ThinkPad with an AMD R7 4750U and I am so glad I did. It can run literally every game I want lol

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AA5B 5 points a year ago

It depends on your use case. A same cost Chromebook would be much lighter, faster with the things it can do, and over ten hour battery life. As always, a lot depends on cost: a school districts bulk $50 buy will always be horrible but you can get a much nicer “high end” Chromebook for a couple hundred

I don’t game much and considered a Chromebook for basic travel use, but went with a tablet.

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ipkpjersi 3 points a year ago

faster with the things it can do

What do you mean by this? Surely you don't mean actual performance, right?

I don't game a ton but having the performance to be able to do so is really nice IMO. The battery life is great as well (like 6+ hours depending on what you do etc), and being able to put any OS I want on it is huge too. I also like how durable it is too.

I feel like if I got a tablet, I'd want a keyboard, and then a mouse too. That'd still be best for portability though, most likely, but it's kind of nice having a full laptop experience.

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SpookyBogMonster 1 point a year ago

I adore my T-480! I put Linux Mint on it, and it does everything I need it to do, with basically no fuss, and no garbage from Microsoft or Google

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gradual 1 point a year ago

P.S. proprietary software should be illegal in education. Full stop.

🙌

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A_Random_Idiot 54 points a year ago

I remain utterly convinced that Tiktok is nothing but a chinese psyop experiment to see how far they can manipulate people into actions that would otherwise be prevented by our brains screaming in self preservation.

Has there ever been a "good" trend on tiktok? Every week its just another destructive thing that gullible idiots are being tricked into doing.

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RangerJosey 25 points a year ago

Soon as Chump took office the moderation flipped. It was open and handled well. Now if you call a corrupt politician an asshole you get a violation.

Talk about Palestine get a violation. Critical of the Chump regime get a violation.

Chow somehow inserted himself fully up Chumps ass on like Jan 22. TT hasn't been the same since.

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finitebanjo 2 points a year ago

TikTok always favored Trump because China always favored Trump and TikTok is operated by Chinese Military directly out of Chinese servers which also store location data, contacts, text message history, and photo library of every device which has ever installed TikTok.

It's a weapon to be used against the US now and since always.

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pirat 6 points a year ago

[...] TikTok is operated by Chinese Military directly out of Chinese servers which also store location data, contacts, text message history, and photo library of every device which has ever installed TikTok.

It wouldn't surprise me, but can you point me to a trustworthy source confirming that claim? Also, does the TikTok app refuse to work without those permissions granted (Location, Contacts, SMS, Photos and videos)?

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finitebanjo 4 points a year ago

Years ago it was reported on by Internet 2.0 which was shared by news organizations such as Huffington Post. Additionally there was this guy on Reddit 5 years ago who decompiled the app and shared all the results on a subreddit made specifically for it LINK HERE and he claims that the app is literally more malware-like data collection than actual video playing app, like the amount of install data is mostly just the data collection tools.

There were also House of Representatives intelligence briefings that went public but god those things are hard to sit through and read.

If TikTok didn't want these stories swept under the rug and if there wasn't truth to these stories they could have sued these people for defamation. But they didn't, implying they would have lost the case handily and looked bad for it.

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Anti_Iridium 0 points a year ago

But at the very least, why wouldn't the Chinese government do what they think can get away with?

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endeavor 18 points a year ago
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dajoho 6 points a year ago
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Iceman 1 point a year ago

Yeah, this is yous lemmitors being conspiracy poisoned by the internet.

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A_Random_Idiot -2 points a year ago

back in our day, our stupid wasnt malicious mass destruction or food tampering.

It was actual stupid shit, like trying to jump over your friend as he raced towards you on his bike, or falling off a roof, Shit that only hurt yourself, if anyone. Wasnt breaking and entering and destroying shit so people in the next town over would think you were cool. We were stupid, but we werent that stupid.

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endeavor 3 points a year ago
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T156 14 points a year ago

People have just been doing dumb things for reputation since forever. We had the cinnamon challenge back in our day.

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A_Random_Idiot 3 points a year ago

yeah, the cinnamon challenge was dumb.. but it didnt involve mass destruction, psychotic behavor, or contaminating food\ in stores.

So its hardly comparable.

Also it wasnt Tiktok. Predates it, significantly.

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MS06Borjarnon -5 points a year ago
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JackbyDev 10 points a year ago

Has there ever been a "good" trend on tiktok?

The ice bucket challenge was making rounds again. But there's basically infinite harmless trends that nobody thinks of. The 100 men versus 1 gorilla thing is a trend and unless somebody jumps in a gorilla pen for Harambe 2.0 it's been harmless.

Reminder that the ice bucket challenge is something that raises awareness and funds for ALS research.

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A_Random_Idiot -3 points a year ago

My question was "was there ever a good trend from tiktok"

Icebucket challenge was from before tiktok existed.

So kinda proving my point.

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JackbyDev 3 points a year ago

I know, but it's recently began again on TikTok after years of being a pretty dead trend.

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surewhynotlem 6 points a year ago

I agree. I was exposed to a lot of leftist content on tiktok and it's made me want to protest. Good thing you explained that it's stupid.

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finitebanjo 8 points a year ago

TBF TikTok wants the US Government to fail regardless of who is in office at the time.

It's like that meme from flippanarchy the other day.

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SpookyBogMonster 4 points a year ago

Sees teenagers doing dumb shit, like they have since literally forever

"Is this a plot by the despotic orientals?!"

Fucking listen to yourself. I'm not on TikTok. I just don't care for vertical short-form video as a concept. But even I can tell you that not every TikTok trend is teenagers being destructive idiots.

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A_Random_Idiot -3 points a year ago

oh wow the .ml user is getting super offended over criticism of china/russia.

how original

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SpookyBogMonster -2 points a year ago

Russia isn't even a part of this discussion. I'm honestly more offended by your opinions of teenagers.

But that aside, it's not about "defending" these States. It's that your tone is dripping with orientalist racism

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CMonster -2 points a year ago

Olympic level stretching

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A_Random_Idiot -5 points a year ago

Sure buddy.

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grahamja 1 point a year ago

It's curated to cause problems, I wouldn't believe anything otherwise. Douyin which is the Chinese version shows completely different content, including government narratives. Tiktok is straight brain rot, and I believe it's curated to encourage poor behavior in users outside of China.

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lowered_lifted 1 point a year ago

Accurate username

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MS06Borjarnon -1 points a year ago
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KeenFlame 1 point a year ago

Yeah because usa needs help destroying their youth

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gradual -2 points a year ago

Obligatory "China hate" comment missing the forest for the trees.

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veeesix 41 points a year ago

It’d be a crying shame if the students were required to complete the school year with physical books and a notebook.

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ButteredMonkey 18 points a year ago

Normally that's exactly what they would do if enough students destroyed their computers to blow through the loaners. The frustrating thing is this is happening right when schools are set to do state testing and state testing is mostly online now. This requires every student in the building to have a device at the same time. Normally all the loaners would be for kids who forgot theirs that day.

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deathbird 1 point a year ago

Kids were doing dumb shit like this before there was a TikYik to put it on.

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jabathekek 35 points a year ago

Perhaps it's more like "Kids short-circuiting school issued chromebooks because of excessive surveillance."

...but probably not (or at least, not entirely) because many kids are dumb.

source: was a dumb kid.

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terminhell 26 points a year ago

Nah, before Chromebooks we'd vandalize the text books and desk.

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SplashJackson 19 points a year ago

I would take the balls from mice

And also computer mice

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Warehouse 6 points a year ago

Which also meant that they had to seal them in...
Which means that you couldn't clean them out when they got dirty.
Fun times.

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FreedomAdvocate -20 points a year ago

Excessive surveillance? It’s school property lol

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DarkDarkHouse 20 points a year ago

It's school property with a camera and microphone in their homes lol

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jabathekek 6 points a year ago

Recording everything just in case they're cheating lol

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FreedomAdvocate -8 points a year ago

You’re assuming that they’re ones that leave the school property. You’re also assuming that they are constantly recording audio and video, which being chromebooks we know they’re most likely not since they’re low spec low storage devices since they’re cloud based.

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Dozzi92 6 points a year ago

This is also assuming there's some mastermind at the school compiling all this data versus some teacher working essentially a second job dealing with broken chromebooks every day because kids are irresponsible. Suggeating this is anything but good old fashioned vandalism of school property is ludicrous, but it's also an expected conclusion for here on Lemmy. Some of the comments in this thread are seriously unhinged.

To sum it up, kids are dumb and always have been and it's nothing more than that.

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TriflingToad 3 points a year ago

Hi there, I'm currently in highschool. You don't understand how school laptops work. There was a court case where a school laptop was recording from a child's home - it actually happened.

Also when you shut the screen it doesn't turn off all the way. I've had times where I shut the screen, out it in my bag and 45 minutes later on my Bluetooth headphones I'll head the windows notification sound.

And just for clarity, do I personally believe that they are spying with audio/video? probably not tbh.
Do they track EVERYTHING you do on the laptop? yes. Very obviously yes.

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nomy 3 points a year ago path: 0 16956672 16959571 16960028 16960393 16969836, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
FireWire400 24 points a year ago

Google didn’t respond to Ars Technica’s request for comment.

To be fair, I don't really see why they should. Chances are they didn't factor in that level of stupidity when designing those things.

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dual_sport_dork 8 points a year ago

It makes sense that they wouldn't have anything to comment anyway. Google themselves don't actually manufacture most Chromebooks, they only provide the OS. I imagine the majority of the mass of Chromebooks in the world by weight are actually designed and made by Lenovo, Asus, Dell, HP, etc. Even the Google branded ones are manufactured by someone else under contract.

It'd be like demanding Microsoft explain to the news why your Dell caught fire simply because it had Windows installed on it.

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FireWire400 3 points a year ago

That's another thing I was wondering about; Google used to design their own Chromebooks, but those always were the premium options and way too expensive for school use.

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jpablo68 21 points a year ago

How about the "graduate from highschool challenge"?

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echodot 2 points a year ago

Felony conviction any % speed run.

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KelvarIW 21 points a year ago
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Wildfire0Straggler3 20 points a year ago

Fuck chromebooks anyways, Google shouldn't be allowed to steal so much information about our youth directly from the devices they use at school. They should be using laptops with Linux installed on them, preferably Pop!OS to preserve the kids privacy.

I don't condone damaging school property, although I think it's a lesser evil to Google's privacy practices on Chromebooks.

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pineapplelover 5 points a year ago

I agree but I'm not sure why specifically popos though

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Wildfire0Straggler3 1 point a year ago

Pop!OS is an Ubuntu-based Linux distribution featuring a custom GNOME desktop.

It is designed to have a minimal amount of clutter on the desktop without distractions in order to allow the user to focus on work.

This distro was also designed with security and privacy in mind.

So students can more easily focus on their work while also being more secure and private while using an easy to use interface, I know it's not the only one but its a good one!

https://system76.com/pop/security/

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pineapplelover 5 points a year ago

Linux mint or something fedora based are also good choices. Lots of flavors out here in the linux world.

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paraphrand 4 points a year ago

Yeah, no worry about the lithium fires. Fuck those chromebooks.

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trash 2 points a year ago

I'm with you, but that's not the reason these kids are doing this. It's because they are idiots.

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gradual 1 point a year ago

They should be using Debian, the universal operating system.

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Wildfire0Straggler3 1 point a year ago

Debian works too, it really doesn't matter as long as its not windows and google Chromebook crap.

Linux distros aren't all made the same, but they're all pretty much the same in spirit. Tux is universal.

I personally think that Pop!OS is a user friendly distro that would be an easy introduction to Linux for students while also focusing on privacy and security with less clutter.

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potentiallynotfelix 18 points a year ago

Not even that bad, they are learning about electricity in a hands-on manner. USB standards protect against short circuits so this is over exaggerated heavily.

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KeenFlame 12 points a year ago

Fucking a computer with scissors is a way to perhaps die and/or burn down buildings, I don't think they learn shit

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ProfHillbilly 18 points a year ago
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xor 3 points a year ago
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unphazed 2 points a year ago

I searched and the first time ever received a message about tiktok protection, etc. They are censoring apparently.

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Cocopanda 3 points a year ago
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midori_matcha 17 points a year ago

Why throw the kids in the slammer? So they can eventually come back out as hardened criminals and contribute to the recidivism statistics, further circling society down the drain because they were betrayed by the corporations that injected their explosive products into our tax-funded school systems? They should give the TikTok kids full STEM scholarships for exposing these dangerous design flaws!

Hold the Chromebook manufacturer liable for the unsafe hardware design flaw with no overcurrent protection, hold the school liable for recklessly issuing these dangerous laptops that cheaped out on safety features, and hold Google liable for neglecting power handling in their Chromebook software! Get the CPSC on the phone and get every single Flamebook recalled across the nation!

It's outrageous, egregious, preposterous!

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Jankatarch 9 points a year ago

But how else will google sell overpriced computers to schools despite lack of funding and force children to growing up with google products?

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KuroiKaze 2 points a year ago

Isn't the entire premise of Chromebooks is that they are extremely cheap compared to having actual laptops or iPads?

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sunzu2 2 points a year ago
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frostysauce 17 points a year ago

Parents and psychiatrists have been trying to wrap their heads around how some of the more dangerous Internet trends take off, especially among kids.

Kids are dumb and they do dumb things. There's not really that much to wrap one's head around.

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RedAggroBest 10 points a year ago

And it's not even like Internet trends are a new thing. TikTok has simply offered a platform that's extra predatory about it.

I can imagine that TikTok has been for Internet trends, to what slot machines did for gambling.

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dual_sport_dork 14 points a year ago

Yeah, like, first time?

The presentation has changed slightly but the content is much the same. Back in the good old days I was a moderator on Totse forums (the original, but its web bulletin board incarnation and not when it was a BBS) and we literally had an entire subforum just titled "Bad Ideas." This was where things got launched, torched, smoked, blown up, stolen, scammed, or otherwise mutilated. Or at the very least all of the above talked about, at length. All of this with an strong implicit suggestion to try it yourself. Most of the kiddos did not actually have the means to pull of what they claimed they did but the ones who could and more importantly had the means to prove it were celebrities. Usually only for a short time, for various reasons.

The early Internet was basically just a repository for bickering about Star Trek, low grade porn, plans for how to build potato cannons, or schemes involving smoking dried banana peels. An immense amount of stupidity has always been there to be found, because the place was and is full of teenagers and teenagers are stupid.

I sure was, when I was one.

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Initiateofthevoid 7 points a year ago
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RedAggroBest 1 point a year ago

To be more specific than mobile apps, sports betting apps are so insanely predatory

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guyoverthere123 17 points a year ago

the worst part is expecting kids to learn about computers using a fucking Chromebook.

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CalipherJones 11 points a year ago

They're not learning. They're being implanted into Googles software as a service model. Get the kids on Gmail when they're young and they'll never use anything else.

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echodot 3 points a year ago

Yeah and then they enter the workforce and find that everyone uses outlook. Despite all of Google's attempts I don't know any businesses that actually use g suite mostly because Microsoft bundle O365 with everything these days so there's no point business is going out and buying a second licence for software they essentially already have.

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gradual 2 points a year ago

Yep.

Same shit happened when conditioning students to use "PowerPoint" for science fairs.

The indoctrination starts young.

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the_crotch 4 points a year ago

Chromebooks aren't replacing computer classes. They're replacing textbooks and mimeographed handouts for a variety of classes. Most of that stuff is web based now, and Chromebooks are cheap so they're the perfect tool for the job.

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echodot 3 points a year ago

We're going to have a whole generation of kids pretty soon that are going to be entering the workforce and they're barely going to be able to operate a mouse and keyboard. Although it's not really the Chromebook at fault this started with the damn iPads. Why were schools issuing iPads to students anyway, they have the absolute worst possible UX for note-taking.

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ZILtoid1991 2 points a year ago

That's like if you taught the next generation of carpenters using Fisher-Price toy tools (all sponsored by Fisher-Price, by paying huge campaign money to the politician).

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ulterno 16 points a year ago

So you mean there are laptop USB ports out there without current limiters?
I would want to check my PC's ports, but I am not filthy rich, so I'll just assume stuff is not current limited.

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Ryick 16 points a year ago

If this were an unbiased and honest article; then it would read “Kids are short-circuiting their school-issued Chromebooks for social clout.” The subtle message, in this article, is TikTok = bad, which is illogical because events such as this will occur regardless of platform or even lack of a platform. It will ALWAYS happen. The question is how to mitigate these events as much as possible, because it’s impossible to completely eradicate “kids doing X for social clout.” It’s a part of learning and being human.

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TowardsTheFuture 23 points a year ago

Yes but without tik tok this is a kid or two being stupid and charged a couple hundred at one school. I think we had 3 kids today at school destroy their laptops.

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Ryick -9 points a year ago

You can replace TikTok with any social media platform. That’s why this argument is illogical in that it blames TikTok.

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paraphrand 27 points a year ago

I don’t remember Friendster causing mayhem like this.

Lemmy seems to not be spreading challenges either.

You have a point, but TikTok has a unique power in this moment.

And if the students did see it on TikTok, then it’s factual, specific, reporting.

TikTok is at the forefront of designing algorithms that optimize for this sort of situation. Reddit isn’t. YouTube does not appear to be. They have their own issues, but it’s not exactly this sort of optimization.

VRChat is another social network not optimized around incentivizing this mimicking and reposting behavior.

Snapchat is not built around this sort of algorithm either.

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Ryick -8 points a year ago

If it had happened on Friendster; then it would have been because of the specific user(s) creating and posting such content, not because of the platform. To say platform = bad because a user or users post negatively affecting content is a sweeping generalization which does not reflect reality, meaning that the negative connotation of TikTok = bad is still incorrect. The users which created and posted such content, in this case, are to blame.

If students see such content on social media; then the first thought should not be: platform bad; it should be: who posted it, and for what reason(s).

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Ulrich 2 points a year ago

But it's not happening on any social media platform. These sorts of "challenges" and trends seem to happen almost exclusively on TikTok, for whatever reason.

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w3dd1e 4 points a year ago

Yeah, could have been called “kids are learning how circuits work thanks to TikTok trend” and suddenly the story has a whole other meaning

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ephrin 15 points a year ago

Just got a notification about this from my kids school district in Northern CA.

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rottingleaf 15 points a year ago

Well, maybe a school-issued computer should be designed differently than a consumer device.

Maybe such things should be considered beforehand.

In industrial ergonomics you are supposed to, ideally, present a worker with a few buttons with abundantly clear results of pressing them and no forbidden combinations leading to unexpected\undefined\dangerous results.

Kids sticking things into what's given to them are not an unexpected event. I'd say kids doing that are better than kids not doing that. And if it's expected, then this is almost entrapment.

Oh, oh, OH, you can't just put a consumer device with a web browser with Google and MS and Apple shit into schools then? No kickbacks from those companies? So fucking sad.

Forcing a kid to wear around a centrally managed device with a microphone and a camera makes me want to vomit. That should be illegal as many other things. It's a disgusting world.

These should be military-level (by resilience to attempts to throw them out of the window, sink them in the water, overheat them and so on) devices with something like FreeDOS+OpenGEM. That's by far enough to run school programs. If you think it's not, then you are possessed by collective delusions, that's a thing in crowd psychology, so drink a glass of water, listen to cars\birds, look at the sky and answer which fundamentally new tasks you need to solve as compared to having year 1999 Internet (as in open a static webpage, follow links, send forms), WordPerfect and Basic. Especially at school.

We use axes, knives, hammers and screwdrivers and other stuff to do things, more or less as they existed 300 years ago, when we are not professionals, who of course use power tools.

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ILoveUnions 15 points a year ago

That's not cheap. Schools can't afford that. The kids know better.

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Jankatarch -1 points a year ago

Chromebooks are much more expensive than normal computers.

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ILoveUnions 1 point a year ago

A Chromebook for school kids costs around $200 when I was in school 5 years ago... A normal computer would cost closer to 500

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Jankatarch 1 point a year ago

Chromebooks are cheap compared to average laptop but still expensive compared to identical laptops with same components.

So I should have said overcharged instead of expensive.

2GB ram chromebooks you can find on ebay are an exception as they are not getting any more updates soon.

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gradual -1 points a year ago

A normal computer would cost closer to 500

Wrong.

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rottingleaf -3 points a year ago

That can be as cheap as Chromebook. Expenses at reliability are partially redeemed by no need for such complexity and computing power.

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ILoveUnions 2 points a year ago

Chromebooks that schools use don't have any computing power to speak of. There's none to lose

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rottingleaf 1 point a year ago

Compared to a machine good enough to run TIE Fighter and not more - they do. Should remove that difference.

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AA5B 3 points a year ago

Arguably they already do take physical abuse into account, by focussing on cheap replacements

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gradual 2 points a year ago

with something like FreeDOS+OpenGEM.

Sigh. Watching windows users try to make sense of the computing world is always cringe.

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rottingleaf 0 points a year ago

I'm not a Windows user. Unix-likes are also too complex for most tasks.

And your tone evokes suspicion that you've switched to Linux not so long ago and think that brings authority. Nah. It's just an OS. Its users are as qualified as Windows users. When you'll be able to explain to me how an IP packet passes through the networking stack, or something like that, then maybe. At least how virtual memory works, or swapping, or syscalls, or process scheduling.

OK, admittedly I don't remember shit of any of that.

Just - wanting something more minimal doesn't mean I'm ignorant of Unices.

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nomy 0 points a year ago

Unsure why this has downvotes and not more conversation, it's not that hot of a take and downvotes don't mean anything here.

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angstylittlecatboy 2 points a year ago

It's maybe not that hot a take to lifelong nerds who grew up with the Apple II and are disconnected from how kids use computers in schools in the 21st century.

"School computers should be more durable and run Linux" isn't that hot a take. FreeDOS???? WTF?

Not to mention that he basically called everyone who disagrees with him stupid.

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LovableSidekick 13 points a year ago

Sadly, this makes me miss when people pretended to slip and fall at the grocery store so they could throw milk jugs in the air and make a mess.

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gradual 1 point a year ago

lol

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RogueBanana 13 points a year ago

Wouldn't the port get shutdown/disabled if you try to overload it?

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clutchtwopointzero 9 points a year ago
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KeenFlame 1 point a year ago

Yes, this can basically only happen by puncturing the battery

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Fleur_ 12 points a year ago

Man I'm so sorry to my highschool Chromebook. They gave me that shit in yr seven and I was incapable of keeping things in one piece at that age. I think every key had been taken off by the end of the year and there were several holes in the outer casing.

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TomMasz 11 points a year ago

Behold the next generation of voters.

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Telorand 6 points a year ago

It's how the US got Trump. The "Trump Train" was a meme, first.

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Wanderer 10 points a year ago

Man I feel like a large part of the internet is out of reach.

Why have I got to sign up for tiktok just to watch this happen?

Shit like this used to be easily finable on google or something. Now I can't seem to find shit. All I get get in news articles about it.

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gradual 4 points a year ago

Looks good to investors when they say "this many accounts use this platform."

It's all a part of conditioning people to accept more and more abuse so rich people can get richer.

They don't want people with standards. They want people with Stockholm Syndrome.

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tempest 1 point a year ago

Let me give you a bit of the outside of the story as well.

For sure tiktok and meta and Google want you in their walled Garden for all the obvious reasons. However, and it's gotten even worse as of late, if you have any kind of computationally expensive but desirable content/data the crawlers/scrapers/scripters will pummel your site. Despite how annoying you find the captchas and bot detection a computer doesn't give too shits about it and at this point they basically serve as a rate limit or effort to make your content too computationally expensive to scrape and be worth it.

While accounts don't necessarily solve this problem they do help as another impediment.

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Corn 1 point a year ago

That's generally a good thing, those kids don't need their bullshit going viral outside of tiktok. Give it 3 months for Instagram to pick up 5% of it, and then FB can pick up 5% of that.

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Wanderer 1 point a year ago

Yea but if I want to find something I want to be able to find it.

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Corn 1 point a year ago

Eh, I kinda like the ephemeral nature of most tiktoks, having things go viral within a group of like 10,000 people, to the extent that if you're tangentially connected to the group, you and everyone you know has seen it, but nobody outside that group ever sees and it vanishes into the ether like a month later makes it a little more personal.

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cubism_pitta 10 points a year ago

Chromebooks are absolute garbage.

Most computers I have used over the last 15 years will disable USB power if you short out the port (working with electronics you tend to replicate the "sticking scissors into a USB port" with some regularity)

Pencil lead I am sure causes other issues though... it gets red hot and melts eventually

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Imgonnatrythis 7 points a year ago

Is there a better option schools should be buying at a similar price point?

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cubism_pitta 3 points a year ago

I would ask what value chromebooks add to education?

We are not teaching kids to do anything with them other than consume Google and Adobe services.

It’s no better than schools were when I was in school where we used windows and mainly learned to consume Microsoft products.

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Imgonnatrythis 2 points a year ago

I'm not entirely sure, but I found having easy access to a computer helped me with school work. I imagine these level the field a bit since perhaps not all kids have easy access to computers otherwise?

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AA5B 2 points a year ago

Welcome fellow codger. Back in my day we had books made from real paper and we loved in. Handing in an assignment meant writing by hand in actual paper and physically handing it to the teacher.

Everything is online. My kids have had very few physical textbooks in years. “Writing a paper” means typing into a n online document. “Handing in” an assignment means dropping some sort of file into an online folder. It’s not really a matter of learning anything, but that school resources are all online and every student needs access.

Also the online services are all “free”. Yeah they might be exploited by advertising but no kid pays and no kid is locked into a commercial vendor (Google at least doesn’t charge)

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throwawayacc0430 2 points a year ago
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Rentlar 8 points a year ago

When I was a middle schooler I definitely wanted to see what would happen from messing around with things like that would be like...

But I also wasn't inundated by short form videos trying it out and encouraging me to do it myself also as part of a trend...

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aTun 7 points a year ago

I thought system will turn off USB port if notice current over draw. Look like I am wrong.

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A_Random_Idiot 8 points a year ago

What i saw they were shorting the charging ports, not the USB slots.

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AA5B 2 points a year ago

Both ports the same. Two girls, one port? Killing two birds with one port?

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A_Random_Idiot 6 points a year ago

Lots of chromebooks have bog standard barrel jack plugs.

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asudox 6 points a year ago

What does "clout" mean?

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MaggiWuerze 18 points a year ago

Another word for fame

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sem 12 points a year ago

Also reputation

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AA5B 2 points a year ago

Aura

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asudox 5 points a year ago

Thanks

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throwawayacc0430 2 points a year ago
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tonyn 4 points a year ago

Net Cred

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catloaf 3 points a year ago path: 0 16956520 16961747, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 2
asudox 4 points a year ago

Nope.

It's the first time I've seen this word.

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gradual 1 point a year ago

It's definitely slang.

I honestly envy this person for not being exposed to it.

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ccdfa 3 points a year ago

Yeah basically it's like good aura

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LainTrain 6 points a year ago

We live in hell

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const_void 5 points a year ago

Good. Less spyware machines in the world.

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SnotFlickerman 5 points a year ago

Just gotta get some of that Magic Smoke.

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Guns0rWeD13 3 points a year ago

r/kidsarefuckingstupid

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venusaur 2 points a year ago

These kids know they’re gonna be replaced by tech and they’re fighting back

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pulsewidth 8 points a year ago

The ones that are dumb enough to do this won't be getting jobs to be replaced anyway.

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macaw_dean_settle 0 points a year ago

Good, chromebooks suck.

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poopkins 2 points a year ago

What do you suggest children use instead?

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