WATCH: Furious Residents Surround ICE Agents Trying to Arrest Mom Clinging to Baby
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But it does highlight that any random brute could put on a mask and do this with no authorization whatsoever. It's a fundamental human-rights and rule-of-law breakdown to fail to present a warrant. I agree that a warrant doesn't ethically make the arrests anything short of monstrous, though. That kind of legalist can suck eggs.
We also need to stop using the word "arrest" when it comes to ICE. As you said, these are kidnappings.
It isn't. The modern law is a fig leaf over naked plutocracy and apartheid.
It's what we have in the same way a knife in your back is something you have
And yet people would rather hold on to a terrible status quo than risk it. Especially in times of desperation, and as long as they're aware things could be worse (for them personally).
It's the big catch-22 of modern civics and political engagement. Terrible conditions make many people look towards the systems and rulers that bring about those terrible conditions.
The woman’s teen daughter was left holding the woman’s baby and stood in front of the car in an apparent attempt to stop it. After handing the child to another person, she allegedly kicked the car—and was also reportedly arrested on four charges, including child endangerment. Police have not disclosed what happened to the baby afterward.
fuck you
Yeah, police have a ton of latitude when they decide who to press which charges on and who they just let go with warnings or whatever, choosing to throw child endangerment at this girl is just straight up trolling
Yeah i think she was the one endangering the child not the fucking trump SS agents
It's a classic cop routine:
1: always be on lookout for slightest challenge to authority
2: arrest whoever possible
Obviously we’ve seen videos where the opposite is true too, not an absolutist, but ya def the MO for many
Pure evil.
“We don’t have to show you anything,” one agent reportedly shot back when asked for ID or a warrant.
Actually, yea. You do. Or its just assault and kidnapping. Official paperwork is not privileged or secret. That idiot should be fired along with his chain of command.
Helpful neighbor: "No, I'm with ICE and I'm arresting you motherfuckers."
*We all get to pretend to be ICE or whatever the fuck if there's no requirement to prove who you are
No. They do no matter what. Once they tread on the Fourth the grumblings about resistance, rebellion, or revolt become a legal defense of our Constitutional rights. These people immediately get "promoted" and become a demest8c threat to the Constitution. It would then become open hunting season on ICE, with defending the Constitution becoming the legal defense. The only reason it hasn't happened yet is because ICE is targeting weak willed areas. They are moving fast and they also happen to be getting a large percentage of illegals with only occasional "mistakes".
There's a court case right now. He's suing the ability of federal judges to make essentially precedence matter.
If he wins this case in the Supreme Court, All executive orders are law until they are challenged in court, and if one person wins a judgment, It will have zero effect on other like cases.
So the playbook is he writes an executive order that ice doesn't need to show warrants, ice doesn't show warrant, each individual that is f***** over by this executive order has to take it to court individually, assuming they're not already in a South American prison.
We're a couple of judgments away from absolute dictatorship.
It's also reported that Trump's people are working on suspending habeas corpus. This would remove your right to challenge your arbitrary imprisonment in court. So they will be able to disappear anyone, forever, with no reason and no legal recourse. Effectively Trump will then be an absolute dictator.
Habeas corpus (/ˈheɪbiəs ˈkɔːrpəs/ ⓘ; from Medieval Latin, lit. 'you should have the body') is a legal procedure by which a report can be made to a court alleging the unlawful detention or imprisonment of an individual, and requesting that the court order the individual's custodian (usually a prison official) to bring the prisoner to court, to determine whether their detention is lawful. Relief, when available, is generally governed by equitable principles.
They can make whatever laws they want. This is a constitutional matter. It can only be changed by a 2/3s majority vote of the house and senate.
ICE can say they don't need a warrant. Fuck them up if they don't have one ... a warrant is required.
The president can say ICE doesnt need a warrant ... fuck him, he doesn't have the authority ... they do.
The Supreme Court can say ICE doesnt need a warrant ... fuck them, they do not have the authority ... a warrant is still needed.
Source: The Constitution
Am I allowed to shoot in self defense if this happens in a stand your ground state?
Yes. Will the court decide in your favor? Who knows, but I'd wager probably not. It's better to try it and find out then let this happen though, or probably a better idea would be to get out ASAP and try to become a ghost if possible. Eventually this won't be tolerated, but people need to see others stand up before they will usually.
Actually no. https://newrepublic.com/...
Civil liberties have already been suspended
I'm curious. Do they have toshow it to bystanders? To the person they are arresting sure. And I would think to family of that person... but maybe not. I doubt they have to show it to randos on the street. But, I think it is safe to assume they didn't have it. Even if they did, thier history means they have blown any credibility on that front. As for ID. I do wonder about that. Anyone know the actual laws?
If they are expecting you to follow some sort of directive they do.
Certainly not. A cop can direct you to get out of a car without a warrant, and you are required to comply. And plenty of even simpler situations.
not if they don't identify themselves. If they don't they are not a cop. If some dude says pull over from a rolled up window you totally do not have to and if you are pulled over you can ask their badge number and name and to see it. This chain is not about warrants but about them identitifying themselves.
Big, strong, well trained men in tactical gear pushing, threatening and arresting women and children ..... and they wouldn't go into any actual threatening situations to deal with actual violent crimes.
Bunch of cowards going after the weakest in society ..... classic yellow bellied fascism.
Looks like Germany during the 1940s, when people were also dragged from their homes. Good luck y'all
Reporting in from Poland (Canada). We are so fucked I don't think enough people realize it yet.
Yep, fascism has to have an in-group and an out-group. As they work through the groups of immigrants, trans people, Democrats, etc they need to find new ones to persecute. They'll work through their own undesirables and then they're coming for us.
It's just like Nazi Germany in the 30s. It didn't take long for Hitler to turn his eyes on Poland.
He will come for us. His talks of the 51st state are not a joke or a bluff. People are not taking it seriously enough.
I hope Canada nukes D.C. to protect themselves.
well trained
They are well trained in thuggery and how to evade legal consequences. 80% of cops wouldn't know discipline or acting through adversity if it knocked their teeth out, and the 20% that do learned it in the military.
They def meant they are well trained in violence
So when you all gonna use all those guns you buy to defend yourself
I don't think that's correct. Plenty of us on the left have firearms, we just don't make it our entire personality.
I'd very much like to see a similar study done more currently, but I can't turn one up from my halfhearted looking around.
That only measures people that record it. You don't need any paperwork, other than a written receipt that you keep, submitted to the government in a lot of states if you buy from a person and not a store.
That has been changing. We’re not buying them as fast but we’re buying them.
Do you have a source for that? I've been digging around some looking for information but other than the national exit polls (which removed the question more than a decade ago I guess?) I can't find any credible studies on it. It would be reassuring (well, kind of...) were you right, but anecdotal evidence and all that
I don’t have a source, just personal experience. We’ve started a shooting club for fun. When we started it in 2019 it was 5 of us like minded folks. We now have many members, club purchased land with ranges, and 3 of the members opened their own gun store.
That’s a shame
You are wholefully incorrect. There is a lot of people on both sides that own guns. America has more guns then it has people. Sooooo no.
America also has more cows than it has people, and lego is the largest tire manufacturer in the world. While true that some liberals also own guns, for example I am a liberal and I own a gun, I'm not sure how it's relevant beyond that (admittedly) situationally self-evident truth. Gun culture is centered around, and the vast majority of firearms are owned by, conservatives.
Ok dude some bright examples there you got.
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What a cop out. Every citizen has the same access. For years you have had very good reason to arm and train yourselves. Your country is where it is because you all refuse to fight for it. Rather blame everything you can.
Every citizen has the same access
sad California noises
While California does have a lot more regulation around guns, I don’t think it’s necessary prohibitive. As much as the right claims it is.
We’ve got a written test, takes all of 20 minutes, not difficult if you have common sense and all the questions are online.
Then you have to demonstrate to the salesman that you can safely operate the firearm (load and unload). I’d hope someone purchasing a firearm would be capable of this.
Finally there’s the 10 day cooldown period. So you can’t walk out same day with the gun. I do think this one is kinda annoying. It totally makes sense for your first gun, but why do I have to wait every time?
The rest just comes down to model and configuration availability. Restricted to the handgun roster, but there’s still a decent amount available. Restricted to 10 round magazines, I don’t like this one either. And generally restricted to featureless shotguns and rifles.
But if you wanted to, you could go today and start the purchase of a featureless AR15-style rifle with a detachable 10 round magazine. And you’d pick it up 10 days from now. So I don't think it’s extremely prohibitive.
“We don’t have to show you anything,” one agent reportedly shot back when asked for ID or a warrant.
“The crowd was unruly,” police said in a statement, claiming several individuals “put their hands on federal agents and Worcester officers.”
There's no reason to believe that they're federal agents if they refuse to show ID. And there's no law against putting your hands on gang members kidnapping one of your neighbors while impersonating federal agents. These dipshits are out of control and fucking stupid.
I’m just pleading for them to do this to the wrong set of people who take 2A seriously.
Extremely surprising that it didn’t happen yet.
Liberals in America should be arming themselves and stockpiling ammo.
Without civil asset forfeiture and wasteful budgets, would be hard to militarize as much as many US departments
They’ve been playing Military Police for years now. Good news of course is the dozens of joints they’ve taken off our streets!
I was in several protests that were violently suppressed by police in the US, using tear gas, flash bangs, beatings etc. After threats and fascist violence, groups of armed leftists joined in more frequently. For whatever reason I can't recall the police attacking while they were there. Like the IDF killing children, they only want defenseless victims.
There's no reason to believe that they're federal agents if they refuse to show ID.
This is what I don't understand. What's then to prevent literally anyone else claiming to be from some other agency to intervene and say they can't take the person away? And then claim they don't need to show ID?
They won't listen to reason. Only a good beatdown will convince them.
If you are ICE, fuck you. You should be ashamed. Your parents should be ashamed
If you are someone who stands by while these cosplayers are kidnapping and torturing people, then you deserve your place in hell
So kidnapping and the police are in on it?
In some cities they are working with ICE, yes.
You can search for which cities formally have an agreement with ICE here:
It really seems like they're hitting blue states hardest and where gun ownership is less common.
It’s almost like the “left” in the US shouldn’t have leaned on anti-2nd amendment rhetoric for 30 years.
I know you said rhetoric, not actual 2A, but I will continue to say this every time I see it, this is not what 2A is for. It's clearly for militias defending the state against an enemy army. It's been mutilated into self defence stuff, but there's nothing even approaching that there.
However, 9A does protect this right, since it has long been held by the people. Regardless, the reasoning doesn't matter. People should be armed and train in operation and safe handling/storage/maintenance of their weapon, just in case it's needed.
I mean, they are supporting nazis, so they are nazis themselves. And the only good nazi is a dead nazi so...
Are you kidding me? Think of every maga you've seen with aggressive, hateful, pro-Trump anti-biden anti-immigration signs and such in their yards and on the back of their cars.
Every one of them with any kind of prior training and probably thousands upon thousands more without would punch their mother in the face for the chance to be given a badge and paycheck to get rid of brown people.
They are probably turning down 10x more people than they could even consider hiring.
The US is full of bigots and white supremacists, and it's more visible now than at any time in my nearly six decades of life.
I don't engage with them being outside the US but we do have a 'Maple MAGA' here which is similar.
Terrifying to hear that there are many in the US that are eager to do this type of work.
Yeah I've been a little surprised to hear that there are similar types up there, I don't know why - I suppose it's human nature.
What I've seen in recent years here has shaken and changed me.
Unfortunately, many Western countries are inching towards fascism due to failed neoloberal policies and rising antiimmigrant sentiment.
Canada and Australia were able to at least delay it in their most recent elections.
They are too stupid and horrible to hold a real job so as long as they get paid they dont care..
And also so many cowards unwilling to do the OTHER job.
I fully agree. With the lack of respect for the law I don't understand why there aren't uprisings and riots in the streets by now!
Americans are being scarily apathetic to full takeover of fascism happening there. The constitution is already nullified if judges, mayor's and those decrying fascism and authoritarianism are being locked away.. the night is dark. They should be going by now but alas.
They’re not federal agents. At best they’ve been deputized. Even that’s probably overstating their legal status.
Maybe installing a government run by neo-Nazis was a bad idea?
Why aren't Americans shooting at ICE agents. It's that what the 2nd amendment was for?
You're going to "organize and resist" while the USA quietly slips into an authoritative regime.
Then it will be too late.
Dying for nothing doesn’t help the cause either.
Is it for nothing?
The USA is a failing country right now. It won't be coming back from this without intervention.
Protests will not fix the problem because the people in charge don't care about the laws. They're on course to start rounding up people they don't like and shipping them off to black sites. They're already talking about arresting democrats.
The USA is currently fucked and unless you can ramp up your actions against the current regime, it's lost.
Where are all those brave Americans chastising the cowardly Russians for not standing up to Putin's bullshit? What happened? I thought you were all armed to the teeth, and brave as fuck? But now somehow everyone suddenly has become so damn sensible in assessing the threats to themselves personally. I wonder what changed. No longer gong ho about revolution when it comes with personal costs, are we? Who would've thought...
Sending Americans off to south American death camps is cool though, right?
If this article is any indication clearly some people are against that as well
Looks like nazi germany
MAGA is the movement, GOP is the party and ICE is the goon squad. Deportation apparatus is operational. Media cooptation, military buildup and foreign bullying is incomplete, but underway. All in all, their evil campaign still lacks scale and foresight, but they're getting there. Opposition so far is not much more than the eye movement of the deer in the headlights.
Just another day in this version of America. Wonder how those protest non-votes feel now.
Probably still something something genocide supporters
I see it. Avoid genocide by becoming literal nazis? Nazis probably didn't call it genocide either.
That's next.
Those who abjure violence can do so only because others are committing violence on their behalf.
Melt the ICE.
Soooo those 2nd amendment rights are a joke? Guns were bought just to show off at the range and with buddies?
Trump and his cronies are gonna get your guns its not a matter of if but when.
Rise the fuck up.
Right, but he's dismantling the constitution piece by piece its coming, not a matter of if but when
There has to be millions like me out there that are willing to fight I refuse to believe 200+ million Americans are gonna roll over.
I concur. Any portion of society that would have the will of resistance has been convinced that only fascists have guns therefore it's the fascists that have all the guns.
Basically all the leftists I know support gun ownership, there are many chapters of Socialist Rifle Associations and John Brown Gun Clubs across the country. Democrats talk about gun control but pretty much every demographic in the US loves guns still. They just aren't sufficiently organized yet to be effective against this stuff, and most people still have a lot to lose that it's hard to make the first serious acts of resistance.
There needs to be a citizens APB tool so when this happens people can swarm the scene and block them from leaving or backup entering.
Nah, that's what we call the tool of resistance AFTER the peaceful action gets escalated to violence. Maybe H.A.M. (is that an acronym?) radio operators could help setup a system to facilitate the use the communication and education for setup. Keep in mind that the FCC has control of radio bands and frequency in the US.
Not sure what a you would call the equipment of the communication system.
Not sure if this is sarcasm. HAM can be part of the solution but I don't know if the technology is nearly as easy to use or accessible as a cellphone. Phones do have drawbacks of course, like tracking, but the Signal for one, does have an API so you could potentially use its network for messaging.
AntifAlert
So they build an infrastructure, hire a lot of people, get the legal cover they need, deport millions...
Then they have this whole process ready to go with no immigrants left to deport.
Do you think it all gets shut down? Detention centers closed, ICE agents fired, etc?
Or will they feed the new machine with other groups? LGBT? Muslims? Political opponents?
Just food for thought.
In a different part of the world, about 90 years ago, dealing with undesirable people started with prototyping the framework on the weakest individuals.
People with mental disabilities would be shipped to the other end of the country, and there be gassed. Those gassings were in some cases proof of concept for the use of various gasses later on.
I do see the similarities. But I don't believe that the US administration is actively exterminating immigrants. But "at least they're not genocidal" is a pretty low fucking bar to clear. And I'm not sure that we've seen it all yet.
If I was living in the US, I'd get out ASAP. I mean sell my house, even at loss, and GTFO. If being latino with a knuckle tattoo will get you shipped to an El Salvadorian torture prison, what will happen when you post a comment about Trumpaloompa?
Hitler's original plan was to deport all the Jews. Extermination then came as a matter of practicability. Don't let it fool you, this absolutely checks out, they're laying the groundwork for genocide.
Many of them literally called it the German equivalent of 'fake news' after Hitler spent many years persecuting the independent press, which he and Himmler would smear with the derogative term 'Lügenpresse'.
One of the many reasons that Eisenhower forced Germans from towns nearby to tour the camps, and had army documenters and media film the camps to later force adult German citizens to watch while under occupation. Many of them simply chose to believe the obvious lies, and ignore all the evidence they'd seen - it was easier than the awful truth.
They won. They got exactly what they wanted, plus anybody who tried to intervene got arrested along the way. From the headline I thought it would be more like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZcoXdZeabA . There's still massive problems here and our version of ICE have got away with a lot but thankfully nowhere near this stage
It's better that we're all arrested rather than do nothing but watch.
I completely agree and think you can't arrest everyone but I don't see that happening though. Look at the numbers on the street. If more people surrounded them so they could not physically leave, it might be different. What I see is a few brave people trying to stop them and not succeeding, and everyone else staying inside or filming from afar
There were more than 25 people on the scene protesting and asking for warrants etc. this was on very scant notice. I'd call that pretty decent turnout. Then there was a much larger march down the streets of Worcester. Read some of the independent reports. They corroborate and tell an aligned narrative.
That's why guns exists and your right to use them also exists. The 2nd amendment has never been more important then now....last time it was in the 1860s....
But what if they made Internet posts about guillotines while they watched?
It's a start. People see others standing up, so they will, too, and it will grow. Eventually we will reach a tipping point.
We should praise the act of defiance, without regard for the outcome. They won this time, but not without a fight. Soon they will have a fight every time. Then they will have to choise between escalating, or finding a new strategy. Either way, they are being forced to react involuntarily.
The one story I read had the person doing those things leaving their phone at home and wearing things to shield their face. Some of the stories I've heard also include the main character putting a small rock in their shoe in order to alter their gait to avoid potential detection based on it.
Cool stories...
Joseph Petty call and write the mayor and demand all charges dropped and these people released.
https://www.worcesterma.gov/mayor
Do not stop.
Also arrested was Ashley Spring, a Worcester School Committee candidate and local resident, who police say pushed officers and threw an “unknown liquid” on them.
At least someone in the group stood up to them. If there's a go fund me I'll definitely donate.
She deserves donations a thousand times more than that Mangione fuckface.
20k new ICE agents on the way too. Now all the gravy SEAL cosplayers can join up and hurt immigrants. Brown Shirts mobilizing. Authoritarian apparatus is gaining momentum.
Man fuck what that orange fucking pile of shit turned my country into. I hope he dies bleeding from the eyeballs.
Citizen sabotage was taught by the CIA as an effective way for insurgents in a country we wanted to topple to hurt their defensive and warmaking power.
The best tactic in this regard; incompetence.
Just get a job where you help them. But be bad at it.
Lose papers. Email things backwards. Leave messes. Pour the wrong chemicals in the wrong thing. Send messages on Monday instead of Friday. Spoil supplies by making them wet and letting them rot.
Isn't that a little too obvious though?
Good thing the enemy has already done half the work in this regard
A man of culture I see.
Start seeding your social media history with MAGA five years ago (they’re smart enough to check that right, they only care about loyalty—forget competence)
Also be bad enough and presumably you’re a terrorist like a Tesla protestor (naughty naughty, only domestic terrorists don’t support Elron)
So um... what're you gonna do with the thermite?
No seriously, I used to do aluminothermic welding, trust me when I say it's an extremely frustrating substance to use. And on top of that, it is incredibly conspicuous. Unless you both know what you're doing and what you're doing can only be done by introducing a huge thermal mass (for example, screwing up a precision bearing surface on a piece of equipment. Note that you can't really cut through material with thermite without using a burnout mold), there are way better ways to accomplish the task. It's just not a great choice, and everything a theoretical citizen resistance would feasibly be doing could be done better, faster and safer (for you) with either some gasoline or bolt cutters...
I don't doubt your expertise and knowledge on the subject, but from veritasium videos on this I would have thought that putting it in a medium size clay flower pot (the ones with a hole at the bottom) and placing it on the car engine hood, it would probably not be a nice outcome for the car. Not total it, but it's not driving away anyway. A can of gasoline is less logistically complicated (just one item, way easier to ignite) but it's also bigger to carry around.
I'm just a person who watched too much youtube videos though.
... Just put the gasoline in a smaller container.
Really though, thermite will mess up a car (quite a bit less than you'd expect from how spectacular it is) but keep in mind that while you're standing around trying to ignite that magnesium strip, there's a bunch of ICE officers who don't want their car burned up. Dumping a jar of gas in the rain gutter and tossing in a lighter takes way less time (and will probably have a much larger effect) than thermite, and nobody can just knock it off the car while it's burning. Plus it's much easier to have a plausible excuse for owning a jar of gasoline than it is bags of powdered aluminum.
You're not wrong that it would work, it's just not going to work as well as the alternatives.
It's way simpler than that. Gather styrofoam, rags and glass bottles from the alleyways. Get you some gasoline. The rest is known well. All you need is a shopping cart and a container to hold gas. If you have doubts watch news footage of the citizen response in Ukraine to Russian invasion.
Tell that to the long haul truckers being arrested for not speaking English.
There's close up footage you should watch because it's madness. They throw the teen girl on the ground and assault a bunch of people.
This is not okay, and it is not a product of the legal system. When the system fails the people, it's up to the people to deny the system its power. Good on those neighbors getting involved and pushing back.
Man I hope that when this is over, these thugs are hunted to the end of their existence and imprisoned, no matter their age. They should be treated like we treat Nazis of old. "Just following orders" shouldn't fly.
Pigs! Fucking... Fuck! Fuck!! Everyday with this shit!
This won't stop until the job becomes too dangerous for them to do.
This reminds me of V for Vendetta
Don't get me wrong, I loved that movie. But when I grew up a bit I realized that in the pivotal moment, the military would ABSOLUTELY have gunned down that crowd of people wearing masks. It's happened before, a lot.
Sadly, you're not wrong :(
They had the same situation in Iran 1979 for example, and the military refused direct orders from the king to fire on the crowds. However, Iran had a conscript military and not the 'professional' thuggery of the modern US volunteer military.
Mayor Joseph Petty called the incident “devastating”: “As someone who prides themselves on leading a welcoming city, I am devastated to hear about the separation of a family, especially with Mother’s Day around the corner. The fear of ICE tearing a family apart is the worst nightmare of so many in our city.”
Mayor makes a phone call to the DA, then.
City Police were on the scene and instead of stopping the kidnapping by ICE they subdued citizens trying to stop it. Get fucked Mayor Petty.
These idiot gestapo are going encounter people with guns one of these days and wish they had just stayed home.
And is the mayor's office and the district attorney's office inundated with calls from their constituents demanding accountability for the behaviour of the local police here? Are there locally elected officials being shouted at by their constituents into taking action to thwart, delay, frustrate ICE operations?
"A republic IF YOU CAN KEEP IT"
That's the ticket! Mob justice! Time to show that the general public and more importantly neighborhoods aren't going to take this tyrannical crap!
Fuck 'em up!
people have been saying this for weeks. 0 incidents so far.
Seems like gun owners are A-OK with this going on.
I just moved out of mass a year ago I used to live 15 mins from Worcester where this happened. Just last year they passed a bunch of crazy gun laws so if u didn't already have firearms your not getting much in that state these days ...
Just never look at the YouTube comments. They are HEAVILY botted.
What's to stop residents from doing a citizen's arrest of these thugs who fail to properly identify and show a warrant? They're bound to be shot by a good guy with a gun soon...
It could have been conjecture but I read on her a few days back that an executive order had absolved ICE from needing to show a warrant, maybe even ID.
I understand that's a massive erosion of American people's constitution but, well, colour me shocked!
It's only a matter of time before something like this turns into a Haymarket Square
Based
How many cases were there where there were no furious residents?
Land of the free babyt
Fuck ACAB nonsense. But also, fuck ICE. Beat them to a pulp.
Commenting "fuck ACAB nonsense" on a post that clearly demonstrates ACAB is kinda wild. Did you not read how the local PD enabled the ICE thugs by arresting people for "laying hands on federal agents"? Those Cs aren't Bs?
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I'm so tired of the legalist caveat, implying a Trump judge rubber stamping warrants for these gestapo shits would have made kidnapping and torturing a woman and her infant child acceptable.
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