WATCH: Furious Residents Surround ICE Agents Trying to Arrest Mom Clinging to Baby

a year ago by kingshrubb to c/news

An ICE operation spiraled into chaos in Worcester, Massachusetts street after agents detained a woman as she clung to her baby—without showing a warrant.
UnderpantsWeevil 251 points a year ago

without showing a warrant

I'm so tired of the legalist caveat, implying a Trump judge rubber stamping warrants for these gestapo shits would have made kidnapping and torturing a woman and her infant child acceptable.

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mrmacduggan 146 points a year ago

But it does highlight that any random brute could put on a mask and do this with no authorization whatsoever. It's a fundamental human-rights and rule-of-law breakdown to fail to present a warrant. I agree that a warrant doesn't ethically make the arrests anything short of monstrous, though. That kind of legalist can suck eggs.

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mdd 44 points a year ago

But it does highlight that any random brute could put on a mask and do this with no authorization whatsoever

I believe this a part of the plan.

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refurbishedrefurbisher 20 points a year ago

We also need to stop using the word "arrest" when it comes to ICE. As you said, these are kidnappings.

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zqps 19 points a year ago

The war for ethics has been lost decades ago. Legality is fickle and often unjust but it's all that people have at this point.

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UnderpantsWeevil 2 points a year ago

It isn't. The modern law is a fig leaf over naked plutocracy and apartheid.

It's what we have in the same way a knife in your back is something you have

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zqps 4 points a year ago

And yet people would rather hold on to a terrible status quo than risk it. Especially in times of desperation, and as long as they're aware things could be worse (for them personally).

It's the big catch-22 of modern civics and political engagement. Terrible conditions make many people look towards the systems and rulers that bring about those terrible conditions.

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Stamau123 241 points a year ago

The woman’s teen daughter was left holding the woman’s baby and stood in front of the car in an apparent attempt to stop it. After handing the child to another person, she allegedly kicked the car—and was also reportedly arrested on four charges, including child endangerment. Police have not disclosed what happened to the baby afterward.

fuck you

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gAlienLifeform 105 points a year ago

Yeah, police have a ton of latitude when they decide who to press which charges on and who they just let go with warnings or whatever, choosing to throw child endangerment at this girl is just straight up trolling

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Stamau123 70 points a year ago

Like getting blood on a uniform and getting 'assaulting an officer' added

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arrow74 45 points a year ago

And the mayor had the audacity to say they don't agree with what ICE did.

That's great, but maybe get your police force to stop enabling their actions.

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Cethin 29 points a year ago

Even better, have your police force enforce the damn law. Arrest these men when they try to kidnap people without a warrant.

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AI_toothbrush 22 points a year ago

Yeah i think she was the one endangering the child not the fucking trump SS agents

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seaplant 5 points a year ago

It's a classic cop routine:

  • Step 1: do some violence
  • Step 2: realize it looks kinda bad, look around and arrest somebody else for what they just did
  • Step 3: profit (time and a half for their trouble)
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parody 5 points a year ago

1: always be on lookout for slightest challenge to authority

2: arrest whoever possible

Obviously we’ve seen videos where the opposite is true too, not an absolutist, but ya def the MO for many

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Formfiller 5 points a year ago

Pure evil.

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kreskin 216 points a year ago

“We don’t have to show you anything,” one agent reportedly shot back when asked for ID or a warrant.

Actually, yea. You do. Or its just assault and kidnapping. Official paperwork is not privileged or secret. That idiot should be fired along with his chain of command.

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FanciestPants 85 points a year ago

Helpful neighbor: "No, I'm with ICE and I'm arresting you motherfuckers."

*We all get to pretend to be ICE or whatever the fuck if there's no requirement to prove who you are

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Gigasser 6 points a year ago

I'm surprised armed plainclothes and or tactically dressed leftist groups, who's goal is to specifically protect accused immigrants, haven't popped up.

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T00l_shed 37 points a year ago

Actually, yea. You do

For now.

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Wilco 54 points a year ago

No. They do no matter what. Once they tread on the Fourth the grumblings about resistance, rebellion, or revolt become a legal defense of our Constitutional rights. These people immediately get "promoted" and become a demest8c threat to the Constitution. It would then become open hunting season on ICE, with defending the Constitution becoming the legal defense. The only reason it hasn't happened yet is because ICE is targeting weak willed areas. They are moving fast and they also happen to be getting a large percentage of illegals with only occasional "mistakes".

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Fedizen 42 points a year ago

We don't know if they're actually getting any "illegals"

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rumba 29 points a year ago

There's a court case right now. He's suing the ability of federal judges to make essentially precedence matter.

If he wins this case in the Supreme Court, All executive orders are law until they are challenged in court, and if one person wins a judgment, It will have zero effect on other like cases.

So the playbook is he writes an executive order that ice doesn't need to show warrants, ice doesn't show warrant, each individual that is f***** over by this executive order has to take it to court individually, assuming they're not already in a South American prison.

We're a couple of judgments away from absolute dictatorship.

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floofloof 22 points a year ago

It's also reported that Trump's people are working on suspending habeas corpus. This would remove your right to challenge your arbitrary imprisonment in court. So they will be able to disappear anyone, forever, with no reason and no legal recourse. Effectively Trump will then be an absolute dictator.

https://www.pbs.org/...

Habeas corpus (/ˈheɪbiəs ˈkɔːrpəs/ ⓘ; from Medieval Latin, lit. 'you should have the body') is a legal procedure by which a report can be made to a court alleging the unlawful detention or imprisonment of an individual, and requesting that the court order the individual's custodian (usually a prison official) to bring the prisoner to court, to determine whether their detention is lawful. Relief, when available, is generally governed by equitable principles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus

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Wilco 13 points a year ago

They can make whatever laws they want. This is a constitutional matter. It can only be changed by a 2/3s majority vote of the house and senate.

ICE can say they don't need a warrant. Fuck them up if they don't have one ... a warrant is required.

The president can say ICE doesnt need a warrant ... fuck him, he doesn't have the authority ... they do.

The Supreme Court can say ICE doesnt need a warrant ... fuck them, they do not have the authority ... a warrant is still needed.

Source: The Constitution

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AlecSadler 25 points a year ago

Am I allowed to shoot in self defense if this happens in a stand your ground state?

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Cethin 21 points a year ago

Yes. Will the court decide in your favor? Who knows, but I'd wager probably not. It's better to try it and find out then let this happen though, or probably a better idea would be to get out ASAP and try to become a ghost if possible. Eventually this won't be tolerated, but people need to see others stand up before they will usually.

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Revan343 1 point a year ago

Legally, absolutely, but they'll kill you for it anyways

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ILikeBoobies 18 points a year ago path: 0 16959115 16961775, hotness: undefined, score: 18, children: 1
witten 47 points a year ago
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KMAMURI 11 points a year ago

Fired? This guy will be promoted. Shake your head. Fight back.

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Modern_medicine_isnt 6 points a year ago

I'm curious. Do they have toshow it to bystanders? To the person they are arresting sure. And I would think to family of that person... but maybe not. I doubt they have to show it to randos on the street. But, I think it is safe to assume they didn't have it. Even if they did, thier history means they have blown any credibility on that front. As for ID. I do wonder about that. Anyone know the actual laws?

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HubertManne 4 points a year ago

If they are expecting you to follow some sort of directive they do.

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Modern_medicine_isnt 2 points a year ago

Certainly not. A cop can direct you to get out of a car without a warrant, and you are required to comply. And plenty of even simpler situations.

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HubertManne 4 points a year ago

not if they don't identify themselves. If they don't they are not a cop. If some dude says pull over from a rolled up window you totally do not have to and if you are pulled over you can ask their badge number and name and to see it. This chain is not about warrants but about them identitifying themselves.

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ininewcrow 152 points a year ago

Big, strong, well trained men in tactical gear pushing, threatening and arresting women and children ..... and they wouldn't go into any actual threatening situations to deal with actual violent crimes.

Bunch of cowards going after the weakest in society ..... classic yellow bellied fascism.

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puddinghelmet 56 points a year ago

Looks like Germany during the 1940s, when people were also dragged from their homes. Good luck y'all

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whoisearth 26 points a year ago

Reporting in from Poland (Canada). We are so fucked I don't think enough people realize it yet.

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OutlierBlue 27 points a year ago

Yep, fascism has to have an in-group and an out-group. As they work through the groups of immigrants, trans people, Democrats, etc they need to find new ones to persecute. They'll work through their own undesirables and then they're coming for us.

It's just like Nazi Germany in the 30s. It didn't take long for Hitler to turn his eyes on Poland.

He will come for us. His talks of the 51st state are not a joke or a bluff. People are not taking it seriously enough.

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LogicalFallacy 5 points a year ago

I hope Canada nukes D.C. to protect themselves.

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Carmakazi 12 points a year ago

well trained

They are well trained in thuggery and how to evade legal consequences. 80% of cops wouldn't know discipline or acting through adversity if it knocked their teeth out, and the 20% that do learned it in the military.

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Jiggle_Physics 4 points a year ago

They def meant they are well trained in violence

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Generic_Idiot 120 points a year ago

So when you all gonna use all those guns you buy to defend yourself

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Warl0k3 39 points a year ago

The people opposed to ICE aren't the ones that buy the guns.

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NotBillMurray 48 points a year ago

I don't think that's correct. Plenty of us on the left have firearms, we just don't make it our entire personality.

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Warl0k3 14 points a year ago path: 0 16963732 16965844 16968024 16969604, hotness: undefined, score: 14, children: 2
MDCCCLV 4 points a year ago

That only measures people that record it. You don't need any paperwork, other than a written receipt that you keep, submitted to the government in a lot of states if you buy from a person and not a store.

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pirategonzo 16 points a year ago

That has been changing. We’re not buying them as fast but we’re buying them.

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Warl0k3 3 points a year ago

Do you have a source for that? I've been digging around some looking for information but other than the national exit polls (which removed the question more than a decade ago I guess?) I can't find any credible studies on it. It would be reassuring (well, kind of...) were you right, but anecdotal evidence and all that

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pirategonzo 2 points a year ago

I don’t have a source, just personal experience. We’ve started a shooting club for fun. When we started it in 2019 it was 5 of us like minded folks. We now have many members, club purchased land with ranges, and 3 of the members opened their own gun store.

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Generic_Idiot 7 points a year ago

That’s a shame

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StonerCowboy 4 points a year ago

You are wholefully incorrect. There is a lot of people on both sides that own guns. America has more guns then it has people. Sooooo no.

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Warl0k3 11 points a year ago path: 0 16963732 16965844 16968780 16969734, hotness: undefined, score: 11, children: 4
StonerCowboy -6 points a year ago

Ok dude some bright examples there you got.

💩🤡

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KMAMURI -10 points a year ago

What a cop out. Every citizen has the same access. For years you have had very good reason to arm and train yourselves. Your country is where it is because you all refuse to fight for it. Rather blame everything you can.

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Cryophilia 5 points a year ago

Every citizen has the same access

sad California noises

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antimongo 3 points a year ago

While California does have a lot more regulation around guns, I don’t think it’s necessary prohibitive. As much as the right claims it is.

We’ve got a written test, takes all of 20 minutes, not difficult if you have common sense and all the questions are online.

Then you have to demonstrate to the salesman that you can safely operate the firearm (load and unload). I’d hope someone purchasing a firearm would be capable of this.

Finally there’s the 10 day cooldown period. So you can’t walk out same day with the gun. I do think this one is kinda annoying. It totally makes sense for your first gun, but why do I have to wait every time?

The rest just comes down to model and configuration availability. Restricted to the handgun roster, but there’s still a decent amount available. Restricted to 10 round magazines, I don’t like this one either. And generally restricted to featureless shotguns and rifles.

But if you wanted to, you could go today and start the purchase of a featureless AR15-style rifle with a detachable 10 round magazine. And you’d pick it up 10 days from now. So I don't think it’s extremely prohibitive.

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Warl0k3 2 points a year ago

Mmmhm.

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nulluser 114 points a year ago

“We don’t have to show you anything,” one agent reportedly shot back when asked for ID or a warrant.

“The crowd was unruly,” police said in a statement, claiming several individuals “put their hands on federal agents and Worcester officers.”

There's no reason to believe that they're federal agents if they refuse to show ID. And there's no law against putting your hands on gang members kidnapping one of your neighbors while impersonating federal agents. These dipshits are out of control and fucking stupid.

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Mister_Hangman 44 points a year ago

I’m just pleading for them to do this to the wrong set of people who take 2A seriously.

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jellygoose 22 points a year ago

Extremely surprising that it didn’t happen yet.

Liberals in America should be arming themselves and stockpiling ammo.

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parody 5 points a year ago

Without civil asset forfeiture and wasteful budgets, would be hard to militarize as much as many US departments

They’ve been playing Military Police for years now. Good news of course is the dozens of joints they’ve taken off our streets!

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aceshigh 21 points a year ago

But that’s interesting in of itself. They’re not going after gang members or violent offenders, they’re going for non violent/dangerous people.

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tocopherol 14 points a year ago

I was in several protests that were violently suppressed by police in the US, using tear gas, flash bangs, beatings etc. After threats and fascist violence, groups of armed leftists joined in more frequently. For whatever reason I can't recall the police attacking while they were there. Like the IDF killing children, they only want defenseless victims.

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xenomor 5 points a year ago
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CeeBee_Eh 19 points a year ago

There's no reason to believe that they're federal agents if they refuse to show ID.

This is what I don't understand. What's then to prevent literally anyone else claiming to be from some other agency to intervene and say they can't take the person away? And then claim they don't need to show ID?

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Litebit 6 points a year ago

people should start impersonating as ICE and start arresting ICE agents.

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CeeBee_Eh 4 points a year ago

This isn't even a joke. And I think this might actually happen at some point.

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WorldsDumbestMan 3 points a year ago

They won't listen to reason. Only a good beatdown will convince them.

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thedruid 111 points a year ago

If you are ICE, fuck you. You should be ashamed. Your parents should be ashamed

If you are someone who stands by while these cosplayers are kidnapping and torturing people, then you deserve your place in hell

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arrow74 19 points a year ago

And to the police that showed up to arrest their neighbors and enable ICE I hope hell is real because you deserve worse

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Ledericas 7 points a year ago

thats why they are wearing masks, so they dont get doxxed.

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SassyRamen 101 points a year ago

So kidnapping and the police are in on it?

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TachyonTele 57 points a year ago

In some cities they are working with ICE, yes.
You can search for which cities formally have an agreement with ICE here:

https://themarkup.org/...

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Ledericas 8 points a year ago

look at those wussies hiding thier faces, dont want to get doxxed.

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peregrin5 95 points a year ago

Can't wait till people start shooting ICE and the police on sight because they were pushed too far.

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Jerb322 67 points a year ago

I'm genuinely surprised it hasn't happened yet. They're probably staying out of the most sketchy neighborhoods.

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Initiateofthevoid 38 points a year ago
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catloaf 33 points a year ago

This is exactly it. They're specifically targeting people they know can't or won't fight back, like literal kids with cancer.

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peregrin5 27 points a year ago

The best way is if everyone arms themselves. Then if the incident happens, several people shoot and immediately run. Plan your escape before shooting.

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BrianTheeBiscuiteer 10 points a year ago

It really seems like they're hitting blue states hardest and where gun ownership is less common.

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WizardofFrobozz -11 points a year ago

It’s almost like the “left” in the US shouldn’t have leaned on anti-2nd amendment rhetoric for 30 years.

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tonywu 5 points a year ago

2nd amendment doesn’t mean everyone should be allowed to own an automatic rifle. There is nuance here, please think.

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Cethin 2 points a year ago

I know you said rhetoric, not actual 2A, but I will continue to say this every time I see it, this is not what 2A is for. It's clearly for militias defending the state against an enemy army. It's been mutilated into self defence stuff, but there's nothing even approaching that there.

However, 9A does protect this right, since it has long been held by the people. Regardless, the reasoning doesn't matter. People should be armed and train in operation and safe handling/storage/maintenance of their weapon, just in case it's needed.

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Goretantath 21 points a year ago

I mean, they are supporting nazis, so they are nazis themselves. And the only good nazi is a dead nazi so...

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parody 2 points a year ago

Can’t wait till martial law? Fascist in Chief salivates like he did over Ivanka in that TV interview

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shawn1122 62 points a year ago

How does America have so many cowards willing to do this job?

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piefood 54 points a year ago

I've known plenty of them. They sign up specifically because they want to do this job. Rember the dumb bullies from school? Imagine what happens when they grow up.

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octopus_ink 24 points a year ago

Are you kidding me? Think of every maga you've seen with aggressive, hateful, pro-Trump anti-biden anti-immigration signs and such in their yards and on the back of their cars.

Every one of them with any kind of prior training and probably thousands upon thousands more without would punch their mother in the face for the chance to be given a badge and paycheck to get rid of brown people.

They are probably turning down 10x more people than they could even consider hiring.

The US is full of bigots and white supremacists, and it's more visible now than at any time in my nearly six decades of life.

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shawn1122 7 points a year ago

I don't engage with them being outside the US but we do have a 'Maple MAGA' here which is similar.

Terrifying to hear that there are many in the US that are eager to do this type of work.

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octopus_ink 5 points a year ago

Yeah I've been a little surprised to hear that there are similar types up there, I don't know why - I suppose it's human nature.

What I've seen in recent years here has shaken and changed me.

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shawn1122 7 points a year ago

Unfortunately, many Western countries are inching towards fascism due to failed neoloberal policies and rising antiimmigrant sentiment.

Canada and Australia were able to at least delay it in their most recent elections.

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Goretantath 14 points a year ago

They are too stupid and horrible to hold a real job so as long as they get paid they dont care..

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WizardofFrobozz 7 points a year ago

And also so many cowards unwilling to do the OTHER job.

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Jerb322 3 points a year ago

They're a bunch of psychopaths.

Edit:spelling

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xenomor 57 points a year ago

These ice agents deserve to be targeted. Yes, I am advocating violence against agents like this.

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interested_party 18 points a year ago

I fully agree. With the lack of respect for the law I don't understand why there aren't uprisings and riots in the streets by now!

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KittyKalledKarma 17 points a year ago

Americans are being scarily apathetic to full takeover of fascism happening there. The constitution is already nullified if judges, mayor's and those decrying fascism and authoritarianism are being locked away.. the night is dark. They should be going by now but alas.

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rustydomino 5 points a year ago

They’re not federal agents. At best they’ve been deputized. Even that’s probably overstating their legal status.

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Ledericas 7 points a year ago

thats why they are wearing mask, so its harder to retaliate against them, people should consider pulling thier masks off.

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KingPorkChop 55 points a year ago

Maybe installing a government run by neo-Nazis was a bad idea?

Why aren't Americans shooting at ICE agents. It's that what the 2nd amendment was for?

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Lucky_777 17 points a year ago

Right, but if you start shooting, then you're 100% dead, and for what? A 10pm news blip? Defend yourself, but dont commit suicide for nothing. Organize and resist.

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KingPorkChop 6 points a year ago

You're going to "organize and resist" while the USA quietly slips into an authoritative regime.

Then it will be too late.

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Lucky_777 7 points a year ago

Dying for nothing doesn't help the cause either. What do you suggest? Start killing ICE agents on site? How long do you really think you would last?

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KingPorkChop 2 points a year ago

Dying for nothing doesn’t help the cause either.

Is it for nothing?

The USA is a failing country right now. It won't be coming back from this without intervention.

Protests will not fix the problem because the people in charge don't care about the laws. They're on course to start rounding up people they don't like and shipping them off to black sites. They're already talking about arresting democrats.

The USA is currently fucked and unless you can ramp up your actions against the current regime, it's lost.

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AreaSIX -2 points a year ago

Where are all those brave Americans chastising the cowardly Russians for not standing up to Putin's bullshit? What happened? I thought you were all armed to the teeth, and brave as fuck? But now somehow everyone suddenly has become so damn sensible in assessing the threats to themselves personally. I wonder what changed. No longer gong ho about revolution when it comes with personal costs, are we? Who would've thought...

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burgerpocalyse 8 points a year ago
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KingPorkChop -1 points a year ago

Sending Americans off to south American death camps is cool though, right?

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the_crotch 9 points a year ago

If this article is any indication clearly some people are against that as well

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fibojoly -5 points a year ago

You're right. That's extremely hard to believe.

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puddinghelmet 54 points a year ago

Looks like nazi germany

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5714 11 points a year ago

MAGA is the movement, GOP is the party and ICE is the goon squad. Deportation apparatus is operational. Media cooptation, military buildup and foreign bullying is incomplete, but underway. All in all, their evil campaign still lacks scale and foresight, but they're getting there. Opposition so far is not much more than the eye movement of the deer in the headlights.

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JeeBaiChow 11 points a year ago

Just another day in this version of America. Wonder how those protest non-votes feel now.

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NikkiDimes 4 points a year ago

Probably still something something genocide supporters

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JeeBaiChow 3 points a year ago

I see it. Avoid genocide by becoming literal nazis? Nazis probably didn't call it genocide either.

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Lumiluz 9 points a year ago

With enough time, people around the world won't be comparing things to Nazi Germany anymore, but instead to Trumpian America

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Etterra 51 points a year ago

They should have attacked the ICE gestapo agents.

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LogicalFallacy 24 points a year ago

That's next.

Those who abjure violence can do so only because others are committing violence on their behalf.

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pleasegoaway 5 points a year ago

Melt the ICE.

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StonerCowboy 51 points a year ago

Soooo those 2nd amendment rights are a joke? Guns were bought just to show off at the range and with buddies?

Trump and his cronies are gonna get your guns its not a matter of if but when.

Rise the fuck up.

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paperazzi 31 points a year ago

Trump doesn't need to come after guns. It's pretty obvious at this point that nobody is using them or ever will. Americans may talk tough about guns but they aren't a threat to the fascists.

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StonerCowboy 13 points a year ago

Right, but he's dismantling the constitution piece by piece its coming, not a matter of if but when

There has to be millions like me out there that are willing to fight I refuse to believe 200+ million Americans are gonna roll over.

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pedicularis 8 points a year ago

I concur. Any portion of society that would have the will of resistance has been convinced that only fascists have guns therefore it's the fascists that have all the guns.

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tocopherol 5 points a year ago

Basically all the leftists I know support gun ownership, there are many chapters of Socialist Rifle Associations and John Brown Gun Clubs across the country. Democrats talk about gun control but pretty much every demographic in the US loves guns still. They just aren't sufficiently organized yet to be effective against this stuff, and most people still have a lot to lose that it's hard to make the first serious acts of resistance.

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BrianTheeBiscuiteer 50 points a year ago

There needs to be a citizens APB tool so when this happens people can swarm the scene and block them from leaving or backup entering.

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Lumiluz 6 points a year ago

Hmmm, good idea. Maybe I'll call it "Melt"

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mjhelto 1 point a year ago

Nah, that's what we call the tool of resistance AFTER the peaceful action gets escalated to violence. Maybe H.A.M. (is that an acronym?) radio operators could help setup a system to facilitate the use the communication and education for setup. Keep in mind that the FCC has control of radio bands and frequency in the US.

Not sure what a you would call the equipment of the communication system.

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BrianTheeBiscuiteer 6 points a year ago

Not sure if this is sarcasm. HAM can be part of the solution but I don't know if the technology is nearly as easy to use or accessible as a cellphone. Phones do have drawbacks of course, like tracking, but the Signal for one, does have an API so you could potentially use its network for messaging.

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tatterdemalion 2 points a year ago

AntifAlert

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RabbitBBQ 49 points a year ago

So they build an infrastructure, hire a lot of people, get the legal cover they need, deport millions...

Then they have this whole process ready to go with no immigrants left to deport.

Do you think it all gets shut down? Detention centers closed, ICE agents fired, etc?

Or will they feed the new machine with other groups? LGBT? Muslims? Political opponents?

Just food for thought.

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BigDanishGuy 30 points a year ago

In a different part of the world, about 90 years ago, dealing with undesirable people started with prototyping the framework on the weakest individuals.

People with mental disabilities would be shipped to the other end of the country, and there be gassed. Those gassings were in some cases proof of concept for the use of various gasses later on.

I do see the similarities. But I don't believe that the US administration is actively exterminating immigrants. But "at least they're not genocidal" is a pretty low fucking bar to clear. And I'm not sure that we've seen it all yet.

If I was living in the US, I'd get out ASAP. I mean sell my house, even at loss, and GTFO. If being latino with a knuckle tattoo will get you shipped to an El Salvadorian torture prison, what will happen when you post a comment about Trumpaloompa?

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itslilith 16 points a year ago

Hitler's original plan was to deport all the Jews. Extermination then came as a matter of practicability. Don't let it fool you, this absolutely checks out, they're laying the groundwork for genocide.

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ziggurat 7 points a year ago

When did the German population learn about the gassing?

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pulsewidth 9 points a year ago

Many of them literally called it the German equivalent of 'fake news' after Hitler spent many years persecuting the independent press, which he and Himmler would smear with the derogative term 'Lügenpresse'.

One of the many reasons that Eisenhower forced Germans from towns nearby to tour the camps, and had army documenters and media film the camps to later force adult German citizens to watch while under occupation. Many of them simply chose to believe the obvious lies, and ignore all the evidence they'd seen - it was easier than the awful truth.

https://archivesfoundation.org/...

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simsalabim 7 points a year ago
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brewery 48 points a year ago

They won. They got exactly what they wanted, plus anybody who tried to intervene got arrested along the way. From the headline I thought it would be more like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZcoXdZeabA . There's still massive problems here and our version of ICE have got away with a lot but thankfully nowhere near this stage

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finitebanjo 40 points a year ago

It's better that we're all arrested rather than do nothing but watch.

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brewery 22 points a year ago

I completely agree and think you can't arrest everyone but I don't see that happening though. Look at the numbers on the street. If more people surrounded them so they could not physically leave, it might be different. What I see is a few brave people trying to stop them and not succeeding, and everyone else staying inside or filming from afar

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Alph4d0g 26 points a year ago

There were more than 25 people on the scene protesting and asking for warrants etc. this was on very scant notice. I'd call that pretty decent turnout. Then there was a much larger march down the streets of Worcester. Read some of the independent reports. They corroborate and tell an aligned narrative.

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StonerCowboy -1 points a year ago

That's why guns exists and your right to use them also exists. The 2nd amendment has never been more important then now....last time it was in the 1860s....

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WhiskyTangoFoxtrot 17 points a year ago

But what if they made Internet posts about guillotines while they watched?

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Alaik 6 points a year ago

Yep cause the moment they arrest everyone the leeches will die like every other fucking parasite without a host.

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barneypiccolo 12 points a year ago

It's a start. People see others standing up, so they will, too, and it will grow. Eventually we will reach a tipping point.

We should praise the act of defiance, without regard for the outcome. They won this time, but not without a fight. Soon they will have a fight every time. Then they will have to choise between escalating, or finding a new strategy. Either way, they are being forced to react involuntarily.

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perestroika 47 points a year ago
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prole 40 points a year ago

The one story I read had the person doing those things leaving their phone at home and wearing things to shield their face. Some of the stories I've heard also include the main character putting a small rock in their shoe in order to alter their gait to avoid potential detection based on it.

Cool stories...

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lemmylump 40 points a year ago path: 0 16969617, hotness: undefined, score: 40, children: 0
inclementimmigrant 38 points a year ago

Also arrested was Ashley Spring, a Worcester School Committee candidate and local resident, who police say pushed officers and threw an “unknown liquid” on them.

At least someone in the group stood up to them. If there's a go fund me I'll definitely donate.

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finitebanjo -21 points a year ago

She deserves donations a thousand times more than that Mangione fuckface.

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Lumiluz 8 points a year ago

Fuck off narc troll.

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Horsey 37 points a year ago

For context, this is in Worcester, MA. Fairly Democrat and progressive area. It’s not like this was happening in Ohio or Nebraska.

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skuzz 22 points a year ago
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iridebikes 17 points a year ago

20k new ICE agents on the way too. Now all the gravy SEAL cosplayers can join up and hurt immigrants. Brown Shirts mobilizing. Authoritarian apparatus is gaining momentum.

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Goodmorningsunshine 35 points a year ago

Man fuck what that orange fucking pile of shit turned my country into. I hope he dies bleeding from the eyeballs.

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Cocopanda 35 points a year ago
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PunkRockSportsFan 55 points a year ago

Citizen sabotage was taught by the CIA as an effective way for insurgents in a country we wanted to topple to hurt their defensive and warmaking power.

The best tactic in this regard; incompetence.

Just get a job where you help them. But be bad at it.

Lose papers. Email things backwards. Leave messes. Pour the wrong chemicals in the wrong thing. Send messages on Monday instead of Friday. Spoil supplies by making them wet and letting them rot.

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pyre 19 points a year ago

add journalists and random civilians to military operation group chats

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AnUnusualRelic 8 points a year ago

Isn't that a little too obvious though?

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valkyrieangela 10 points a year ago

Good thing the enemy has already done half the work in this regard

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AnalogNotDigital 6 points a year ago

A man of culture I see.

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parody 4 points a year ago

Start seeding your social media history with MAGA five years ago (they’re smart enough to check that right, they only care about loyalty—forget competence)

Also be bad enough and presumably you’re a terrorist like a Tesla protestor (naughty naughty, only domestic terrorists don’t support Elron)

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Warl0k3 17 points a year ago

So um... what're you gonna do with the thermite?

No seriously, I used to do aluminothermic welding, trust me when I say it's an extremely frustrating substance to use. And on top of that, it is incredibly conspicuous. Unless you both know what you're doing and what you're doing can only be done by introducing a huge thermal mass (for example, screwing up a precision bearing surface on a piece of equipment. Note that you can't really cut through material with thermite without using a burnout mold), there are way better ways to accomplish the task. It's just not a great choice, and everything a theoretical citizen resistance would feasibly be doing could be done better, faster and safer (for you) with either some gasoline or bolt cutters...

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Im_old 1 point a year ago

I don't doubt your expertise and knowledge on the subject, but from veritasium videos on this I would have thought that putting it in a medium size clay flower pot (the ones with a hole at the bottom) and placing it on the car engine hood, it would probably not be a nice outcome for the car. Not total it, but it's not driving away anyway. A can of gasoline is less logistically complicated (just one item, way easier to ignite) but it's also bigger to carry around.

I'm just a person who watched too much youtube videos though.

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Warl0k3 2 points a year ago

... Just put the gasoline in a smaller container.

Really though, thermite will mess up a car (quite a bit less than you'd expect from how spectacular it is) but keep in mind that while you're standing around trying to ignite that magnesium strip, there's a bunch of ICE officers who don't want their car burned up. Dumping a jar of gas in the rain gutter and tossing in a lighter takes way less time (and will probably have a much larger effect) than thermite, and nobody can just knock it off the car while it's burning. Plus it's much easier to have a plausible excuse for owning a jar of gasoline than it is bags of powdered aluminum.

You're not wrong that it would work, it's just not going to work as well as the alternatives.

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Im_old 2 points a year ago

Yeah you're right an all points, I didn't think about the rain drain.

Keep safe out there!

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KMAMURI 12 points a year ago

It's way simpler than that. Gather styrofoam, rags and glass bottles from the alleyways. Get you some gasoline. The rest is known well. All you need is a shopping cart and a container to hold gas. If you have doubts watch news footage of the citizen response in Ukraine to Russian invasion.

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mriswith 6 points a year ago path: 0 16962769 16964103, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 0
5714 3 points a year ago

What would've been much more useful in this situation is tactics like sticking together (to not be so easily picked out)

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ipkpjersi 32 points a year ago

This is Trump's America.

Notice how she speaks perfect English. This is clearly someone who doesn't belong in the US /s

What a fucking joke of a country.

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nichos 4 points a year ago

Speaking English isn't a requirement to be in the country.

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BreakerSwitch 9 points a year ago

Tell that to the long haul truckers being arrested for not speaking English.

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Lucky_777 6 points a year ago

Yet

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ipkpjersi 4 points a year ago

It's not a requirement but it's a good indication that she's been in the country for a long time, it's not like she just snuck in illegally from her home country. That was my point.

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antisocialite 31 points a year ago

There's close up footage you should watch because it's madness. They throw the teen girl on the ground and assault a bunch of people.

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FahrenheitGhost 27 points a year ago

This is not okay, and it is not a product of the legal system. When the system fails the people, it's up to the people to deny the system its power. Good on those neighbors getting involved and pushing back.

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iowagneiss 27 points a year ago

Man I hope that when this is over, these thugs are hunted to the end of their existence and imprisoned, no matter their age. They should be treated like we treat Nazis of old. "Just following orders" shouldn't fly.

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in4apenny 11 points a year ago

They should be treated like we treat Nazis of old.

Hide them in Argentina while giving them top positions at NASA and the CIA?

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frozenpopsicle 24 points a year ago

Pigs! Fucking... Fuck! Fuck!! Everyday with this shit!

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MeThisGuy 5 points a year ago

🎵 I'm glad to not be an american, from sea to shining sea 🎵

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Doctor_Satan 24 points a year ago

This won't stop until the job becomes too dangerous for them to do.

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AlecSadler 21 points a year ago

This reminds me of V for Vendetta

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runner_g 28 points a year ago

A people should not be afraid of it's government, a government should be afraid of it's people.

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kent_eh 3 points a year ago

And when the government isn't afraid of the people, what then?

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catloaf 2 points a year ago

You make them afraid.

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kent_eh 1 point a year ago

I'll believe it when I see it.

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Cryophilia 6 points a year ago

Don't get me wrong, I loved that movie. But when I grew up a bit I realized that in the pivotal moment, the military would ABSOLUTELY have gunned down that crowd of people wearing masks. It's happened before, a lot.

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AlecSadler 4 points a year ago

Sadly, you're not wrong :(

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AreaSIX 2 points a year ago

They had the same situation in Iran 1979 for example, and the military refused direct orders from the king to fire on the crowds. However, Iran had a conscript military and not the 'professional' thuggery of the modern US volunteer military.

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Maeve 21 points a year ago

Mayor Joseph Petty called the incident “devastating”: “As someone who prides themselves on leading a welcoming city, I am devastated to hear about the separation of a family, especially with Mother’s Day around the corner. The fear of ICE tearing a family apart is the worst nightmare of so many in our city.”

Mayor makes a phone call to the DA, then.

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BrianTheeBiscuiteer 16 points a year ago

City Police were on the scene and instead of stopping the kidnapping by ICE they subdued citizens trying to stop it. Get fucked Mayor Petty.

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kreskin 13 points a year ago

Mayor should stop talking about his feelings and get off his tail and do something about it.

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NocturnalMorning 20 points a year ago

These idiot gestapo are going encounter people with guns one of these days and wish they had just stayed home.

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theacharnian 17 points a year ago

And is the mayor's office and the district attorney's office inundated with calls from their constituents demanding accountability for the behaviour of the local police here? Are there locally elected officials being shouted at by their constituents into taking action to thwart, delay, frustrate ICE operations?

"A republic IF YOU CAN KEEP IT"

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mechoman444 17 points a year ago

That's the ticket! Mob justice! Time to show that the general public and more importantly neighborhoods aren't going to take this tyrannical crap!

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Stalinwolf 17 points a year ago

Fuck 'em up!

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C1pher 16 points a year ago

With how many people open carry this is dangerous. If they continue to literally KIDNAP people on the streets, somebody will get shot eventually.

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thr0w4w4y2 9 points a year ago

people have been saying this for weeks. 0 incidents so far.

Seems like gun owners are A-OK with this going on.

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innermachine 5 points a year ago

I just moved out of mass a year ago I used to live 15 mins from Worcester where this happened. Just last year they passed a bunch of crazy gun laws so if u didn't already have firearms your not getting much in that state these days ...

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WorldsDumbestMan 13 points a year ago

Just never look at the YouTube comments. They are HEAVILY botted.

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QueenFern 13 points a year ago

Fuck them up. Let's hope it gets worse for these gestapo fucks. Take heads.

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Xbeam 13 points a year ago

Fuck the Mayor too. Your city is not welcoming when you run a police force that supports this.

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catloaf 9 points a year ago

And the governor. She's supporting this, for some fucking reason (jk, it's because she's a conservative democrat).

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imposedsensation 13 points a year ago

What's to stop residents from doing a citizen's arrest of these thugs who fail to properly identify and show a warrant? They're bound to be shot by a good guy with a gun soon...

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kevin2107 3 points a year ago

Tome to arm yourself america

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NotJohnSmith 2 points a year ago

It could have been conjecture but I read on her a few days back that an executive order had absolved ICE from needing to show a warrant, maybe even ID.

I understand that's a massive erosion of American people's constitution but, well, colour me shocked!

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Litebit 3 points a year ago

hmm if there is no need to show warrant or ID then everyone can impersonate as ICE easily.

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BigBenis 11 points a year ago

"To Serve and Protect..."

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FreeHat 9 points a year ago

MA state leaders are cowards, they know the cops support Trump and gladly lie to us about it

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BlairMtnWarrior 8 points a year ago

It's only a matter of time before something like this turns into a Haymarket Square

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assassinatedbyCIA 8 points a year ago

Based

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ArchmageAzor 7 points a year ago

How many cases were there where there were no furious residents?

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Buffalox 7 points a year ago

Oh boy, USA sure is an interesting country.

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pineapplelover 6 points a year ago

Land of the free babyt

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idriss 3 points a year ago

My wife was making a case to visit the US as tourists. Now I am sue as hell I will never set foot there.

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Buffalox 3 points a year ago

Under the current circumstances I wouldn't dream of setting foot there, even if I was invited.

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iAvicenna 7 points a year ago

“put their hands on federal agents and Worcester officers.”

They put their disgusting little hands on the officers, they deserve to be shot!

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Revan343 5 points a year ago

The officers do, indeed, deserve to be shot.

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parody 6 points a year ago

Do these come in bulletproof

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yarr 3 points a year ago

Cursed cameraman. I've seen steadier shots from a schooner in a 35 foot wave.

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SereneSadie -9 points a year ago

Fuck ACAB nonsense. But also, fuck ICE. Beat them to a pulp.

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AreaSIX 4 points a year ago

Commenting "fuck ACAB nonsense" on a post that clearly demonstrates ACAB is kinda wild. Did you not read how the local PD enabled the ICE thugs by arresting people for "laying hands on federal agents"? Those Cs aren't Bs?

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