Rep. Mary Miller loses it over 'a Muslim' speaking in Congress
a year ago by MicroWave to c/politics
Rep. Mary Miller ― a Republican from Illinois who once praised Adolf Hitler ― wrote, edited and ultimately deleted a social media post decrying “a Muslim” speaking in Congress.
“It’s deeply troubling that a Muslim was allowed to lead prayer in the House of Representatives this morning. This should have never been allowed to happen,” she wrote Friday. “American was founded as a Christian nation, and I believe our government should reflect that truth. May God have mercy!”
The man leading the prayer was guest chaplain Giani Singh, a follower of the Sikh faith, not Islam. Miller’s Republican colleague Rep. Jeff Van Drew (N.J.) introduced him as such on Friday.
Don't forget:
The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
-- John Adams
The thing you have to realize is that some words change meaning over time. If you check a dictionary from the time, you'll find that back then "regulated" meant... oh, looks like it meant the exact same thing it means today. Huh, looks like it's meant the same thing since it was taken from Latin. Fancy that.
Thomas Jefferson had his own personally edited version of the Bible that focused on the philosophies and stories in the Bible, and left out the supernatural mythology and fairy tales. There were parts of the religion he liked, but he was clearly uncomfortable with the actual religious parts of it.
And he actually WROTE the founding documents.
TJ was Deist, not Christian.
You might also acquaint yourself with the actual religious beliefs of many founding fathers
It literally says "Congress," of which she is a member.
Every newly elected Congressional Rep and Senator should have to pass a difficult, graduate-level test on the history of the United States, and the Constitution, before being sworn into office. You can't be sworn in until you pass the test. These people are tasked with leading our country. Knowing the basics is the least we can demand of them.
And they won't be paid until they pass either.
I'm with you in your frustration, but this only furthers a class of elites being eligible to govern. The test needs to be at a level that anyone going through compulsory education could pass. Eg 8th grade.
Additionally, I would do the test at candidate registration. There is no pass fail, but the electorate can decide if they're qualified enough (as it's the right of the electorate).
Maybe it doesn't fix it fully but we can directly point to who is a moron, and who voted for said morons.
Valid suggestions. My suggestion was just a starting point, and yours offers some good adjustments. I worry the educational standards being different in all states may make it harder for those in some states to pass the test.
Besides, I don't think we want some schlub off the street that barely knows an 8th grade level of history/civics running our country. I want people who take it seriously, and have sought further knowledge, education, and insight into the government. I don't see anything wrong with experts managing the country. Part of the problem we have now is that we have evil morons whose entire political and historical education has come from the Conservative Propaganda Machine, and believe that Intolerance is a virtue.
I have always had a problem with the word "elites." Somehow it has become a term of disparagement, often a dog whistle for Jews. Oxford dictionary defines it as:
a select group that is superior in terms of ability or qualities to the rest of a group or society.
Isn't that who we want running our country?
Why the FUCK would I Care about the Constitution or Founders?
-Pro Life People who Defend MASS CHILD KILLERS because of the Second Amendment!
These dumbasses still have not figured out that the very first of the Ten Commandments and the Bill of Rights are in direct conflict, LOL. If they want a xtian nation, they should fuck off and move to the Vatican.
Disrespecting the religion seems to be fine with them though.
Well you see, the thing about conservatives is that they are fucking stupid.
And they celebrate their ignorance...
Trump loves the poorly educated, he said so himself. And they want daddy trump to love them.
America is fucked
That's what he says to his reflection in the mirror every morning.
Well you see, the thing about conservatives is that they are fucking stupid self-serving liars.
FTFY
This bitch knows damn well America isn't a "Christian nation," but she'll shout it from the rooftops if she thinks she can get away with it in order to advance her hateful, bigoted agenda.
Do. Not. Give. Her. Any. Benefit. Of. The. Doubt.
Well you see, the thing about conservatives is that they are fucking stupid self-serving liars evil.
Fixed it for you. Some of the old school Republicans are that, true. But, this new Republican party adopted their sinister mindset because "god said so". While a few of them are motivated by greed, this shit-fest is motivated by legitimate belief. Incidentally, this is the same minset that motivated the crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Salem witch trials, 9/11, and ISIS. Its a fundamentalist mindset where they can jusify evil in god's name.
This bitch knows damn well America isn’t a “Christian nation,”
Maybe, or maybe she actually believes the lie. Or, maybe, she thinks it her mission to turn the United States into the holy land (ISIS thought the same thing about the middle east, and probably the world).
she’ll shout it from the rooftops if she thinks she can get away with it in order to advance her hateful, bigoted agenda.
Yep. She's a true believer.
The older Republicans of Limbaugh and Raegan?
Before that, who opposed civil rights?
The ones before that, who refused to hang the confederates after the war?
Never has the conservative in this country been not-evil, the moderate core is unable to give a fuck Amir anything but their own American dreams.
The older Republicans included guys Theodore Roosevelt or Eisenhower, the ones who wanted a small government that leaves you alone. They seem to have died off after Regan.
It’s deeply troubling that a Muslim was allowed to lead prayer in the House of Representatives this morning. This should have never been allowed to happen
I believe our government should reflect that truth.
She's right: leading prayer in Congress at all should never be allowed. Government should reflect the truth of a secular government.
I'd say that you are spot on and people in the West who want to believe in strange middle east cults can do so quietly at home and not bother anyone with their hokey faith. That goes for Muslims, Jews, Christians and the rest of them.
I mean, that's also because the DNC stopped really giving a fuck about anything but corporate donors a long time ago.
But social media are garbage because of the platform. It's just built the way to present it as how the users are.
It's like saying that gasoline is not the cracking process, it's the oil.
Dumbfuck can't even get her religions straight, and apparently she thinks America was founded to be a Christian theocracy. Astoundingly ignorant and misinformed, yet there she sits Congress, governing the nation with her 2 brain cells.
Her average constituent sees turban and thinks Muslim.
She represents her district in more ways than one.
She probably has no idea what Deism is.
I was going to make a “DEIsm is woke, DEIsm is getting abolished, etc” joke… But it’s impossible to create a parody so extreme that some users won’t mistake it for the genuine thing. Poe’s Law is in full effect here.
The people would likely think its a cult worshiping Dhalsim from Street Fighter 2.
And thus call for all Deists to be deported.
Sometimes I really wish the founding fathers were around to just say, “Yeah, we were all atheists when we did this America thing. It just wasn’t fashionable at the time. So this idea that American was founded on Christianity, is well, just bullshit”
I mean they were literally fleeing religious persecution. Why would they bake religion into what they were creating?
While they were fleeing religious persecution, they were not atheists. The original Pilgrims were Christians who believed the church of England to be beyond redemption. All of the founding fathers were raised in some Christian belief system, and more or less practiced their respective branches of Christianity.
They were certainly more open-minded in accepting beliefs that deviated from their own, but also certainly not atheist.
Eh, some were about as close to atheist as the social norms of the time would really permit. If you look at Jefferson, he made his own version of "the" bible in which he excised all the superstition. In their day, the Inquisition was still going on (ended in 1834) and making your own version of "the" bible was exactly the kind of thing that would get you declared a "heretic".
And then there is Thomas Paine...certainly being a Deist is something likely to get you in trouble with the crazy Inquisition types...as well as the Southern Baptists today...
The pilgrims weren't really fleeing religious persecution. In the UK they faced the consequences of their religion's actions after they took power during the interregum and were just the fucking worst, including banning Christmas. So they fled to the Netherlands where they were horrified to learn that religious freedom didn't give them the right to force their religious beliefs on others. So they fled religious tolerance to America where they were able to be as awful as they wanted
Not so much the founders, though.
Well they weren't fleeing persecution at all. Most of them were born in the US, years after the Quakers had stopped being persecuted in England.
Mostly Christians, but in the same way my parents say they're Christian. A churchless general belief in god and heaven. Deists, I think the proper word is.
they were literally fleeing religious persecution. Why would they bake religion into what they were creating?
Because everyone thinks their opinions are the right ones.
Someone persecuting you doesn't mean you'll go somewhere else and not persecute others who are not on your side.
“America was founded as a christian country”
You mean back when Christian people were so rabid that they thought of Catholics, the OG jesus folks, the way this lady sees any non-christian religion?
Maryland was created as the birthplace of religious freedom in this country specifically because catholics had nowhere else to go in the colonies without getting harassed. Ultimately, the concept of religious freedom would be elevated to a higher place of importance than christian snobbery by the time America was forming a country. Religious freedom was part of escaping the thumb of the King of England and other monarchs.
So, on the one hand, Miller is truly going old school by being a bigoted fuckhead. But on the other, she seems to have no idea that “America” would not exist if people hadnt been willing to tell the bigoted majority of protestants to shut the fuck up, and force them to live and let live
Pepperidge farms remembers when bigots were shamed away from talking not their target minorities.
What a cunt.
Seriously. When is the designated time for thoughts?
“Thoughts and prayers!”
“Uh we’d like some more thoughts, please.”
“Well we’re OUT of thoughts! We only had three bits and we didn’t expect such a rush.”
“So my choice is ‘and prayers’? I’ll have the chicken then, please.”
Because 'Murica
Because the foundation of US instritutions was largely Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V from Westminster, where morning prayers are the only time MPs are allowed to come and reserve a seat for the rest of the day. It’s probably a lot more attended in the American version though.
The British government has been functional since the civil war over 370 years ago. If there are functional issues with the US system, (and there are, to the point it actually shuts down sometimes) that’s their own meddling and the warranty is void.
Yet another Sikh man misidentified as a Muslim (not that it would matter if they were) by some backwood dumb fuck using weaponized religion.
Surprise twist: He redirected all your Christian prayers to Waheguru and you're all now an additional cycle away from Mukti.
The US was founded as a secular state.. No getting around that. There were only a few devout christians in the original group of founding fathers. Most were deist. They had the recent memory of the thirty years wars where catholic and protestant armies had rampaged back and forth across Europe stealing the peoples food. Raping and burning out anyone who wouldn't convert. They did this to many who did convert. It was said at the time that they everyone kept two sets of bibles. They just hid one or the other depending on who had taken over at the time. That asshole regressive wouldn't ever be willing to admit that. Because she is too stupid to learn it.
if we want to keep it secular, we need to make christians fear for their lives.
I would take it one step further and say they (founding fathers) were possibly even atheists, or at the extreme, very agnostic theists with the idea that IF god does exist, he doesn’t care or bother about us (which of course is deism). It would have been very unpopular back then to say god doesn’t exist, so deism was a step in that direction. Just my theory.
In some cases sure. Hamilton was very religious. He was also tolerant of other. The main consensus among the founding fathers was tolerance of differing beliefs. Something these ignorant fools today never learnt or most probably ignore.
Very true.
Today's reactionaries hate the (actual) American project as much as Tories way back when did.
They hate it with every fiber of their being. All their rhetoric about "America first" and the flag-waving and the pearl-clutching over "the troops"....all performative bullshit. They hate liberal democracy, they hate the Constitution, they hate the rule of law, and they hate freedom.
Mary Miller represents district 15 which surrounds but does not include both Springfield and St. Louis. It is 90% white, 2.9% black, and 2.8% Hispanic. There are basically no non-Republican elected officials above the county level and voted overwhelmingly for Trump. This district became home of the second resurgence of the KKK in Illinois in the 1920s and has stayed their home through resurgences in the 1950s and 1990s.
One of the most insufferable people I have ever known lives in her district. He moved there willingly because of politics. I cut ties entirely over a year ago and it's been great.
I almost feel less bald for it. (A lie.)
Illinois redistricted recently and it was gerrymandered to fuck to make sure that her district was absolutely backwoods conservative as possible. It practically ensures Illinois will swing blue for the next decade. She's unfortunately my representative, but I'll live with that reality knowing that my existence as her constituent pisses her off and Illinois stays blue.
The first openly atheist Congress member became open about it in 2007.
The second "non-religous" member was Krysten Sinema.
There was a Congressperson that came out as gay in 1987 but didn't admit he was an atheist until he left Congress.
You can say it was founded as secular, in theory, but in reality it's been basically Christofascist in fact for its entire history.
Then why is a chaplain leading prayer in Congress? A secular nation wouldn’t even have opening prayers at any branch of government.
Because religious zealots have infiltrated and subverted our government into something barely recognizable. Separation of church and state is a vital part of the US constitution, it’s quite sad to see that forgotten or ignored by our supposed “leaders” in Congress in order to appease radical religious fundamentalists.
My face when I found out the US has opening prayers in the house of government:
Seperation of... What was it again? logic and reason?
Yeah, that's the really fucked up part of all of this. Being a USian, I knew this kind of thing, though.
This Karen is just miffed that xtianity is not given maximum unwarranted special privileges: "oh, we'll allow you people who have not opted in to our chosen lifestyle to exist (for now), but at every opportunity, we'll rub your noses in it that we think our chosen lifestyle's adherents are special little snowflakes that deserve praise for their lifestyle, and use the government to do it."
Do you not? And if so help, I'm stuck on a continent filled with nutjobs
GOP keeps saying 'this is a Christian nation', but they don't want understand separation of church and state.
There is no state religion. If you open a state body to prayer, then all prayer is allowed, not just the prayers you want.
Long live the satanic temple.
Oh they understand perfectly well. Hence why they're trying to destroy the separation of church and state.
a few bullets would go a long way to keeping us on track. destroy all religion for the sake of humanity
all of them?
Probably true, as long as we relax the No True Scotsman thing so very many white evangelicals engage in when it comes to who is a "real" xtian.
I think that if modern day politicians were to talk in terms like the Deists of the past, I am quite sure the Karens of the Southern Baptist type would call them "pagan" or "atheist" or at least heretics.
Fucking idiot piece of shit jesu-fried fuckwit.
China?
Wow just the fact that she feels emboldened enough to dribble out this poison and post it online is telling.
big oof
IQ is a poor metric (for just about anything).
We do need to work on election reform so that our elected representatives are more representative. Getting more people to vote (turn out in the U.S. is fairly low), avoiding partizan gerrymandering, using something other than FPtP.
I disagree that an IQ restriction would be an improvement. It would just be another tool used by authority to marginalize. Competency tests have been used as such in both the U.S. South and Nazi Germany.
Improving the electorate and having the output of the voting process reflect their will is the only way forward.
That bitch is from Naperville.
Yeah, she's not racist enough.
Ahh yes. Chicago. The moral bastion of humanity.
Wow, this is exactly what someone who 1. doesn’t practice real Evangelical Christianity would say 2. would believe not having studied the most basic of United States history.
The separation of Church and State is exactly that. The Colonist came to North American because they didn’t like how the Church of England was being operated. In practice they might not have wanted other religious groups to have such freedom but if you try to take the Bill of Rights and Constitution at face value, then you as a person in the United States government have no reason to judge them for being a non-Christian. Much like how I much challenge you to prove you belong to a well regulated militia when you own a gun.
- would believe not having studied the most basic of United States history.
😂 🤣
As if whatever lessons she may have been exposed to in school were not simply written off as the school personnel trying to "groom her" and/or "fuck up her faith" for their own liberal ends...
😂
I mean, let’s be real. The Pilgrims caught a ride. This country was basically founded by tobacco companies. The Virginia and Plymouth companies weren’t charities.
And here come all the nuts feeling brazen about open christian nationalism in a budding theocracy.
LOL, she should change her name to Karen.
JFC.
Tax exemptions for religion are in part to stop the majority religion from taxing minority religions out of existence.
Also taxation means representation. It’s not that churches should be taxed, they should be stripped of their status for political activity. I do not want any church having the right to representation in my secular government
Can't wait for TST to show up!
if america is evil genocidal country for funding israel, why does she choose to stay and fund the genocide? i mean why not just leave? wouldn't that be the more feasable moral thing to do? it will also impact multiple industries.
just curious
He was Sikh.
She doesn’t even know what she’s racist against.
Would this be considered ad hominem?
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