I wanted to put a rack for those dishwasher trays into a regular cupboard, so that we could have basically a real dishwasher for dirty stuff, and a cupboard for clean stuff so that we never have to empty it.
My husband Veto'd it, because "that's the epitome of laziness". Which I think is exactly the point, but whatever. It's his job to empty the dishwasher now, which solves the problem too.
Do you mean like this?
https://images.app.goo.gl/1iUCRCcFd7XAUxBc6
It's basically in every kitchen in Finland, and has spread somewhat to the other Nordic countries, but is apparently rare elsewhere.
No, I mean those dishwasher drawers you have in there? You should be able to take those and just slide them into a regular cupboard. You out empty ones in the dishwasher, and over time you fill those when you use the dishes.
Hosting here -
doesn't the cupboard get moldy if you keep putting wet dishes inside?
I feel like it would be more difficult to manage a system to figure out which one is dirty, rather than just emptying it.
Just get ones that have a metal door, and magnetic sign that says dirty or clean.
More like the epitome of efficiency.
Exactly!
Need room for one of those. We cannot have a dishwasher.
I will never use a dishwasher. Every time I have to drink water from a glass that gas gone through a dishwasher I find the smell disgusting. And people with dishwashers get used to the smell, and stop feeling it.
It's a good idea to clean your dishwasher out every once in a while. I do mine quarterly. They will get gross otherwise. There's a filter in the bottom that needs to be thoroughly cleaned out, and the bit it fits into. Clean the gasket all the way around, and then run a cycle with a sanitizer product if you feel like it.
The dishwasher is actually better than what most people think, but a lot of them don't know that they're using it wrong.
The directors cut version of this video changed how I run my dishwasher for many many years now.
Get it hot before you start and add a little detergent to the tub for pre-wash cycle is a game changer.
Someone created a post a few days ago asking what the differences are between Reddit and lemmy. Is an obsession with Technology Connections it, or did I just miss that boat on reddit?
Well, coincidentally, the very first Technology Connections video I watched was an hour-long one about dishwashers (yes, lol). And it was actually shared to me through Discord.
Lol
Did you forget to use detergent?
If your glassware smells, something's wrong, as detergent uses water softening agents, enzymes, and rinse agents. Dishwashers do need to be regularly cleaned, and I've never met anyone who does so.
There's also the question of the dry cycle, which is crucial if you live in a high humidity environment. Otherwise things will get musty, like leaving clothes in a washing machine.
Restaurants use dishwashers (though generally not the same type as home units, but small shops have similar commercial units with fast cycles) - have you experienced this there?
Edit: For some reason the "default" way to store glassware in cupboards is upside down. I've always found this causes things to smell musty with the trapped air. Even worse in cabinets with no covering on the wood - that's just nasty. Or with old shelf paper that never gets cleaned, so there's all sorts of grubbiness making smells.
Even in dry climates I've found upside down causes funk.
... turn the glasses upsidedown when putting them into a dishwasher.
(Also all restaurants use dishwashers, albeit they are of the more speedy sort. The funny smell is just the poor lad washing the dishes.)
I used to feel like there was an aftertaste. I switched to using a vinegar dilution in the "rinse aid" slot and that's done the trick.
I agree. I can also smell and taste rot and staleness before other people.
What we get from this, other people simply don't pick up. Fun percentile eh?
Eveey dish I have used in the last 40 years I could tell if it had been in a dishwasher recently. Very unique odor. Doesn't matter who's dishwasher.
I hand wash my dishes.
To address the replies: There is no problem with my dishwasher because I do not have one. I am saying when I go to houses (plural, many) that have dishwashers I hate drinking from their glasses, because they all smell and taste gross. That's just my experience. Maybe everyone in my circle is using their dishwasher wrong.
And then you get to a point where you look at that and think “clever but I’m sure it’s fucked up in some way that isn’t immediately obvious.”
I have this drying rack, and... I LOVE it!
But the knife holder is the biggest problem. All the bits are modular so you can set it up with the knife holder not having something right above it, but my favorite knife is too long to sit in the knife holder without stabbing the countertop. I solved the problem by getting one of those magnetic knife holders and mounting it to the side of the rack.
Also, when people who come over to my place for dinner or hanging out, about half of them make a comment about how awesome the drying rack is.
(I'm 47 and I got this rack about 5 years ago)
I considered buying one of these several years ago, but I measured everything out and… I don’t have the clearance for it. Woe is me.
Maybe my next kitchen.
Currently unavailable on amazon, but this is where I bought it:
All this crap in my way and too much clutter. Yuck. Also, anything over a sink is likely to get splashed. This is creating more cleaning work, and for what?
And who dries dishes like this? Are they not already clean and dry out of the dishwasher? Hand washing is very wasteful and time consuming.
Not everyone owns a dishwasher.
The immediately obvious way is that you don't need a fucking scaffolding around your sink for any of this. Put the knives on magnets like a normal person. Dry your dishes and put them away like an adult, you aren't in college anymore, have some fucking dignity. Put the fruit literally anywhere else. That leaves the soap, which can just sit on the fucking counter. It's not going to damage anything in an earthquake. It doesn't need to be caged.
Counters should be flat, clean and empty of single purpose appliances or extraneous errata. This is the recipe for positive mental health.
Maiju Gebhard (September 15, 1896, in Helsinki – July 18, 1986, in Helsinki) was a Finnish inventor who invented the dish drying cabinet as the head of the household department at the Finnish Work Efficiency Institute in 1944 and 1945. She was the only child of economist Hannes Gebhard and politician Hedvig Gebhard.
I love this concept. The big problem is that a lot of American kitchens are (weirdly) modeled after old farmhouses where the sink was always under the one window in the whole room. The trend is absolutely hostile to this idea.
I've also seen these in Italy. Quite genious.
I have not seen them in Germany nor in Sweden
Yeah, and not just Ikea stuff either, local brands there offer this too.
(I actually don't really like the concept, but would def think about it if for some reason I would stop using dishwashers.)
Genious.
It's also super cool that they had a productivity institute before. I wonder what we could have achieved with something like that today.
There are so many ways we could make society more efficient for everyone. Companies mostly focus on smaller issues for consumers, but society could have a more overarching look, and not focus on profits, but on quality of life and efficiency.
The knives look like a pain to load and remove though
Yup. Also: I'm tall, so now I can't see everything that's in the sink. It also needs some kind of anti-tip measure if the suggested use is to keep heavy dishes up high like that. Also, I'm not convinced this is sanitary - are we gonna get raw-chicken-water-splashback onto clean plates?
My short ass finds some of this helpful but not enough! It's going to be difficult to get some of the stuff from the back of the top rack for me. More room though...
It's a DRYING rack, it isn't meant to be permanent storage. You wash the dishes after dinner, and place them in the rack. The next morning, after they've dried, the first thing you do is put them all back in the cabinets.
However, I acknowledge that a LOT of people won't bother with the second step.
According to the CDC, chicken should not be rinsed to avoid Salmonella cross contamination.
Notabene: this advise is from the pre-Trump CDC.
How often is your raw chicken in the sink
This looks like AI.
Why's the drain on the side?
What are those cinnamon sticks?
Why put fruit on the drying rack?
Blurry ass soap labels.
The whisk and ladle are oddly placed.
Alas. I was bamboozled. It's real crap on Wayfair, and it's modular. It's just set up in a dumb way for the pictures.
I actually have this thing. The knife thing is annoying and it just sits on the back acting as a brace for the dishsoap bottle. The cutting board rack is kinda dumb because it just dries onto your counter.
But the baskets are nice because they drain into the sink. It was a really cheap kitchen improvement purchase I don't regret.
What it needs though are raised rubber gasket lined feet so it doesn't hold bits of water under the base you have to lift and wipe up. It's cheap material and easily modified.
/product review mode
knife thing is annoying
Yeah, that was the first thing I found out, looking at the picture.
One would have to tilt the holder backward to take out the knife and then make a very unnatural feeling motion to get it towards themselves.
Even worse if there is no space behind the rack (there is a window in the picture that will enable that if opened)
Nah that’s just in the pictured configuration. The baskets and all the accessories just hook onto the rack frame so you can move things around to whatever config you want. Do the dish baskets on top of each other and leave the ‘flatter’ bits (like the knife block) for over the actual sink, much better config. Thirty second job even with the dishes on them.
It's the double sink that gets me. I've lived in places with a double sink. I do not have a double sink right now.
I need double sink in my life.
Use the poor man's replacement plastic tub.
This is the way. Double sinks suck. With this you have a double when you need, but can also waeh big things like oven sheets.
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Such a pain moving from a country where it is the default to a country where it is unheard of.
It makes washing dishes incredibly efficient, with less water wastage. I could wash the dishes for a family of four in absolutely no time at all, but without a double sink that takes much longer with more water used.
Idk about others, but I have one sink for wash water, and one for rinse water.
And you, just, like, put a clean dish in the same stale water as all the others? I am shivering just thinking about! Only the first couple of plates will be clean, everything else is dirty with the shit from previous plate!
I'm not sure what you mean. I fully wash the dish in the wash water, then put it in the straight hot rinse water for a minute or so before putting it in the drainer to air dry. The hot water helps them air dry faster and rinses the soap off. If the rinse water is any less than completely clear, I'm not washing the properly, and I drain and refresh the rinse sink. In my opinion it saves water over rinsing each dish under running water.
The rinse water is clean and stays clean. You're rinsing off the soap suds. You can wash a shit ton of dishes and the end result is the wash water is dirty and the rinse water is clear. Frankly you're being absurd, you're not shoveling dirty water into the rinse water JFC. The rinse cycle on a dishwasher is wayyy worse.
I can say with certainty you have never hand washed a sink full of dishes before.
I did, in that terrible time without the dishwasher, that I would like to forget. I was taking a plate, scrubbing it with a sponge and then rinsing it with clean water from the tap.
Or do you want me to tell, y'all using a dirty sink full of dirty water to do it?
They sure are and “what do you mean rinsing with clean water?” say some folks in Europe
Not sure if we can blame the commercials
That's a terrible ineffective method, and a waste of water.
Fill one sink with hot water + soup, put as much dishes in it as possible to soak them, and fill the other sink with fresh hot water. Clean one dish after another, preferably with a brush (you'll burn your hands using a sponge), rinse them in the clean water, and put them on the dryer.
If you do not have a second sink, use a tub for either purpose.
And yes, the water will get dirty and cool over time, and you'll have to switch if you've got too much dishes.
Of course, if you're only cleaning a plate and a knife and perhaos a glas, using just the tap is far more efficient.
I don't use dishwashers, but I hand wash and rinse everything, as well as change the water when it's greasy or otherwise too dirty.
And I can taste when dishes have been in a dishwasher, for 40 years+
As I understand from the other comments, it's a place to put the dishes after they've been cleaned and ready for rinsing? The way I've always done it is I clean the largest vessel first, then everything goes into that vessel until it fills up, then do a round of rinsing. If I don't have a large dirty vessel, I take out a large clean mixing bowl for this purpose.
On the one hand I'd love that but on the other it's more cleaning
No not really. There’s pretty much zero maintenance on stainless steel sinks. Once in a blue moon you can wash down the sinks while doing dishes but it really happens less than you think.
To be fair I do have to wipe my sinks more often, only because we have rather hard water in this area. The scale builds up quickly.
Ok so that takes you what an extra 30-90 seconds like once or twice a month? That’s negligible. The other person Almost made it sound like he had to spend hours because of extra basin.
I too dream of a double sink.
Thats a pathetic little kitchen faucet. Real grownups use professional multi-spray kitchen faucets with removable head and swivel action...
Oh yeah baby that's it
I just bought my first home and immediately decided my first upgrade was to a faucet like this...
I think I need a new username haha
I considered this, but was forbidden: The limescale would leave it looking manky.
The trick is to wipe it down with a wet soft wipe regularly, you dont even need chemicals.
Even if you don't you don't need chemicals. Just some water and citric acid.
True, but even citric acid can hurt chrome coating long term. 1/10 citric acid/water ratio is recommended.
Source: I was dealing with warranty cases for a company manufacturing faucets, showers, etc
Depends how rich you are. Most of rent...
True, the one on the picture is an overkill for meme reasons
Yeah, no I'll stick with the dishwasher.
But how do you dry the dishes once the dishwasher is done? Do you leave them in the dishwasher to dry, which mean that you can't add new dished until it's all dry and you've emptied it? Do you let them dry on a counter? But in that case where do you find enough space? Or do you put the wet dishes in your cupboards even though it'll trap moisture in there? Or do you manually wipe the dishes with towels like some crazy people do?
Good dishwashers have a heating element on the bottom. . It turns on and dries the dishes in a cloud of steam. There is also a button on mine that's for high heat (sanitize) that I leave on. This ensures that the dishes get completely dry.
Really? Everytime I go to family or friends who have a dishwasher and help with emptying it, the dishes are always at least a bit wet... Maybe everyone I know just has cheap dishwashers 😅 Sanitizing on high heat seems like a great feature to have
My dishwasher dries the dishes too?
I just open the dishwasher. Pull out the bottom rack, shake the top rack a bit and deal with any puddles. Anything that's not dry just goes back in for another hour. Leave the door open until dry.
I run it at night and it opens automatically when it's done. Wake up to clean dry dishes.
Wtf?
Say it in a Dutch accent. It doesn't sound as bad.
I hate it too. My SO bought one and its not a great product. It's hard to wash anything larger than a small pan, it leaks water everywhere, and makes cleaning the please difficult. It also looks horrible in our apartment kitchen.
I have never needed a drying rack in my life. On the very rare occasion I can't just dry something and put it away, I leave it sitting on a towel to dry. When I am done I wash the towel and the counter again becomes empty. I am not kidding when I say I am an empty counter extremist.
We just use the right side of the sink for drying. It has a little plastic grate insert to elevate the dishes and dirty dishes go into the left side, clean into the right, and then theyre dry by the next time you need to do dishes so they get put away. Only time its somewhat of an inconvenience is when i want to fill the brita pitcher and theres no bottom of the sink to rest it on so i have to hold it or place it on the counter and hold the sink hose over it.
Controversial! I admire your gumption
It's sad this is real, it's awful in design... Someone in the thread claimed to have one, and admitted the knives were frustrating to store and remove.
That's likely just the overflow drain?
They'd also be very difficult to place and remove.
Some people will literally do anything to avoid using/purchasing a dishwasher. I don't get it. Hand washing is unsanitary, time-consuming, and wastes water. Just fork over the $600 and get one already. It'll change your life for the better.
Edit: Why are you booing me? I'm right! Are you seriously going to call Alec from Technology Connections a liar? Here's your proof right here: https://youtu.be/Ll6-eGDpimU#t=36m31s
Where are you living that the unit doesn't come with a dishwasher? I've been all over Houston, on the rich side and the poor side, and I've never seen a unit that doesn't at least have one of those bargain basement whirlpools.
Chicago suburbs. I'm definitely not the only apartment in this town without a dishwasher, either. There genuinely isn't space for me to have anything but a countertop unit, and counter space is limited as is
In the greater Seattle area it's about 50/50 whether a rental will have a dishwasher.
You need to check your available space privilege.
I have both. I'm not putting my plastic salad spinner or German chef knives or old plastic food storage containers or blender jar or my pots and pans and etc. in the dishwasher. Restaurants have human dishwashers for valid reasons.
How is it unsanitary?
If you're paying rent, you'd think the unit would just come with the kitchen basics.
Do you have a refrigerator, at least? A stove? Or is your landlord making you use a shared root cellar and chimney fire?
If you're paying rent, it is expected that a dishwasher is included in the cost of your rent. If it's not, you need to find a place that provides basic appliances. It is the landlord's responsibility to provide a dishwasher, not yours.
I put it in the space for the dishwasher. If you do not have such a space in your kitchen, there are standalone units, even countertop variants. You could remove a cabinet if you can afford to lose the space.
Many people rent. You can't just remove a cabinet in that case. Can't decide how big the kitchen is either. I'm sorry, but your comments come off as very privilaged and honestly ignorant.
even countertop variants
Good thing countertops have no use in a kitchen!
The counter top ones take up a lot of space, and you cannot use your kitchen sink while it is running because it connects to your kitchen faucet. Which also means you need to have the correct kind of faucet for the attachment to fit. Also, dishwashers use a lot of power. There are hidden costs at play here, and with the price of power only going up, why wouldn't I do dishes the cheap way? Not to mention haveing to buy dishwasher tablets and all the waste products created by the single use packaging.
It doesn't have to waste more water. There are ways to do the dishes where you only use water to rinse off the already washed plates. That is in fact less water than with a dishwasher. Maybe you are thinking of washing the dished with the water constantly on.
This old wives' tale objectively untrue and has already been debunked. It is impossible use less water than a dishwasher, no matter how you wash the dishes. Like I said, Technology Connections already tested this.
There is nothing more frustrating than being told I'm wrong when I know for a fact that I'm right, and even have proof. Hive mind mentality drives me crazy sometimes.
Just take a s deep breath. You're going to survive this
If space was at a premium, sure, but I'd hate to have this in our kitchen.
I'm old, and I actually hate this...
How awkward it must be to try to remove the knives. And why is the fruit in the top right? The cutting boards are going to leak all over the counter after you wash them.
Also, I have a dishwasher... So this is just a great way to block the window in front of most sinks for no good reason.
And a window can be an emergency fire escape.
You think my ADHD ass is ever unloading a drying rack? The dishes would just live there and I’d always be cramming new ones into it.
If only we had some technology that could dry a dish immediately and didn’t take up tons of space or grow mold… like some kind of flexible, absorbent material that sucks up the water? We should have NASA work on it
I‘d prefer some sort of drying rack machine that also automatically cleans the dishes in the first place. That’d be a crazy concept. Like, you load in dirty dishes and then you wait a little and bam, they’re clean and (mostly) dry.
Water conservationist take^
I mean that’s what we can fall back on if we’re feeling bashful, getting critiqued for that perspective
Stick a fan above it. Would dry it quicker.
I'm old enough to say it's pretty. No silverware. No utility/paring knives. Too many bowls, not enough plates. Most of my utensils can't hang. no glasses/cups, need at least 3 cutting boards.
Great taste, marginal execution.
The knife holder straddles the back post. The draining baskets are only forward of the back post.
It doesn't look like it could hold more than a 7" knife, but you'd likely be able to lift it out behind the basket.
Again, nothing i'd want to buy, but for an organized look, it's looks organized.
We have one of these! Saw a pic on Reddit and had it delivered within a week. We actually use it all the time for things that shouldn’t go in the dishwasher. A few things:
I have one of these, too, and I’ve never been able to use it. Would if I could, it’s brilliant! But in my last flat it was too tall to fit under the cupboards, and in my current one it’s too wide to fir between them.
I have a dishwasher, but I use a dish dryer as a ‘pre-washer rack’ because my ADHD ass can never empty a clean dishwasher quick enough to avoid dirty dishes piling up. So the dryer rack keeps dishes from blocking the sink. Stupid problems sometimes require stupid solutions.
Lots of folks saying “why don’t you just dry and put your dishes away?” but I have this exact model and use it mainly for storage. Zero cabinet space in my tiny kitchen. With this I can actually own enough plates and bowls to feed guests!
yeah I own one cause even though I have a dishwasher there's some stuff that's hand wash only and you can use it for handy storage too like yours
We just got one of these a couple weeks ago, my mom and I got to crack up over this, thank you. Who knows how many more laughs I'll be able to share with her before death comes knocking.
You know how to take your dish rack to the next level? Slap some large googly eyes on that bad boy. Surpise your mom. Make those memories.
I have one of these and it's pretty cool. The knife holder thing sucks ass though, idk who thought that was a good idea.
A clean kitchen is a triumph of the modern era. Show this to a caveman or a renaissance era scholar and claim two middle-age adults with at least one child and a dog accomplished it in less than an hour. They will praise it as a miracle.
Im sure the caveman would be impressed, probably more by the knives than any organizational aspect, but i feel like scholars in the renaissance had plenty of experience this keeping things organized. This picture of an alchemy workshop is like organizational goals for me. Its full but not cluttered and it looks cozy as fuck. 
Its full but not cluttered and it looks cozy as fuck.
I guess we're operating on different definitions of "cluttered". Although, I'll happily cede it looks cozy, I would be afraid to swing my elbows without knocking over something extremely rare and expensive.
How would you possibly splash dishes so high above the sink?
So why doesn't the dish rack next to the sink have the same issue?
This is normal in Italy. Just the rack would be higher.
Wayfair. $72. 4.8 stars. They have other similar items that are cheaper.
Damn everyone hates this. I liked mine, but to each their own
I don't like the execution, but it's good in concept
No link to the purchase? Wtf op. ;)
I have indeed failed you haha
I gotchu.
Imperial Home Extra Large Over-the-sink Drying Rack - Wayfair
I was watching cat videos and ended up pausing so I could admire the nice stairs this person had.
Cute cat too but them stairs! Dang!
(Then I realized I am old and sad lol)
So, the art is a bit deceiving. We have a few things that can't go in the dishwasher - the espresso pot which would be ruined in the machine, a few bigger pots and serving bowls that don't fit neatly, some of my son's high chair components that get gunked between meals, our nice set of enameled chopsticks that need to be hand-washed - and this works great to keep them out of the sink while we're doing the rest of the kitchen.
But I agree, there's no reason 90% of the image art stuff can't just go in the dishwasher normally.
I might need this. But I also have a cat.
12 fucking bowls, that's a lot of cereal in a day.
Look here everyone! @GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works does dishes every day!!
:p
Magnificent.
I once had a tiny apartment and considered something like that. But it was too large to fit the space....
I've always wanted the version built into a cabinet, but I live in a high-humdity area and that just screams of mold issues. Why not the version as pictured in the open? Earthquakes. Still, definitely at the point in my life that it's awesome at least in theory
I wondered if they perforated the bottom shelf of those cabinets so water could just drain out into the sink?
Some of them (the Finnish ones I saw) just had the bottom being the rack, basically, so at least that had dripping and airflow. Having an actual board below it would be a terrible idea, I think, heh.
tbh I was more well organized back in the days. Now I just have no fucks to give.
Why you gotta attack me personally‽
A mix of jealousy and be being an awful person
Lol! Love you homie!
Love you more!
Doubtful, but willing to be proven wrong.
Most of the stuff that needs draining should flow mostly into the sink, but I do agree it looks like one could get where you don't want.
As for knocking it over, the "feet" look relatively sturdy, so ideally that would be difficult to do.
Bit performative hanging out the huge cleavers that you only use when there are guests around for dinner. Where’s the weird little serrated knife with a plastic handle?
This is for hand-washing?
Just don't ever Google the coulds of pathogens that spew forth from your drain.
There are things you are better not knowing 😭 😭 😭
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