This. Sunday is part of the weekend, not the weekstart.
LemmyKnowsBest -12 points 6 months ago
But there's no such thing as the word "weekstart." Weekends are split in half. Saturday is the end of the week and Sunday is the beginning of the week. I am from USA and this has always been my understanding.
nuko147 11 points 6 months ago
You gotta choose, either weekend = Saturday or weekend = Saturday + Sunday.
If your case is the 1st just say have a nice Saturday and Sunday. If you say have a nice weekEND for both days, Sunday is the last day of the week.
LemmyKnowsBest 1 point 6 months ago
Yes, we had the "bookends" discussion down here.
i078 29 points 6 months ago
Depends, mine starts on Monday. I also live in SI and ISO. My wife’s starts on Sunday, she goes to church. Although I still don’t get that as the seventh day was a rest day.
It does sometimes make talking about Sunday next week confusing.
KillerWhale 8 points 6 months ago
8601 represent
hessenjunge 4 points 6 months ago
What day was the Christian day of rest & worship day again?
PetteriSkaffari 2 points 6 months ago
Was my understanding as well. Last day of the week is for rest, which Christians do on a Sunday. Funny that a lot of Christian countries still use Sabbath as last day of the week.
dan 16 points 6 months ago
Practically everyone should know SI, or have at least heard of it before. It's the standard system of measurement used in most of the world. It includes base units for time (seconds), distance (meters), mass (kilograms), electric current (amps), temperature (Kelvin), amount of a substance (mole) and intensity of light (candela), plus a bunch of units derived from these.
It's practically only the USA that doesn't use some of three units (for example, preferring feet over meters)
ISO is a standards body. They define a bunch of standards. One of the more well-known ones is ISO 8601, which defines standards for dates and times. It specifies that weeks start on Monday.
unexposedhazard 27 points 6 months ago
What do people that start the week on sunday call the "weekend"? For them only Saturday is the weekend and Sunday is the weekstart or what?
doctordevice 27 points 6 months ago
Weekend like bookend, both sides.
LemmyKnowsBest 3 points 6 months ago
Ah yes, Weekends are like bookends. I like your analogy.
If these nonces up there can understand that there's no such thing as a "bookstart," they can begin to understand the concept of weekends holding the week together from opposite ends.
KillerWhale 10 points 6 months ago
It's the Front end buddy
freeman 4 points 6 months ago
Σαββατοκύριακο. Saturday and Sunday. It would be far weirder to start the week on Δευτέρα which literally meaning "second".
Of course in English and other languages Monday does not mean second. Still for Mose western (plus Arabs) Monday has been second after Sunday. Long before Saturday was a day off.
ISO defining the start of the week as Monday due to it being the first business day (lol) has comparatively little impact.
NigelFrobisher 1 point 6 months ago
On Friday Americans wish each other a good weekend and weekstart, obv (if they even get both off, which sounds unlikely now I’ve said it).
ViatorOmnium 13 points 6 months ago
It depends on the country. While most countries start it in Monday, Sunday is also common, some muslim countries start it on Saturday, and Maldives starts the week on Fridays.
CocaineShrimp 6 points 6 months ago
Feb 2027 starts on a Monday, and has 28 days!
SolarPunker 1 point 6 months ago
You need the metric system to understand that
FiskFisk33 193 points 6 months ago
february 2026
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general_kitten 1 point 6 months ago
the true perfect month
Lightfire228 24 points 6 months ago
I wish this is how we arranged it. Makes so much more sense
Alas, my brain is too used to wed in the middle
SpaceNoodle 22 points 6 months ago
Yeah, becase it's in the middle of the week. The weekend is after the end of the week.
TheRealKuni 9 points 6 months ago
Weekends can be like bookends, where you have one on each end.
FiskFisk33 3 points 6 months ago
right! like, why complicate things?
FiskFisk33 1 point 6 months ago
that means (if your locale is set according to your position), you are probably somewhere in the blue area on this, while I'm in the orange.
StrongHorseWeakNeigh 46 points 6 months ago
Monday is the start of the week and I will die on this hill
TheRealKuni 5 points 6 months ago
Weekends can be like bookends, where you have one on each end.
thethunderwolf 1 point 6 months ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601
[D] is the weekday number, from 1 through 7, beginning with Monday and ending with Sunday.
AnUnusualRelic 28 points 6 months ago
The US people. There went "What does the whole planet start their week on? Really? Well in that case we'll pick Sunday".
A bit like what they did for pretty much everything else.
Jankatarch 3 points 6 months ago
Including fucking paper.
Standard printing and normal daily usage paper in the US is 5.9 mm wider and 17.6 mm shorter than the A4 paper.
RichardDegenne 13 points 6 months ago
Yeah well, it's called october but I still think of it as the tenth month 😬
callyral 2 points 6 months ago
I always think of segunda-feira as the first day of the week, despite the name; though it appears that calendars here start on Sunday (something I've never noticed).
While it is the first day of the work week, it makes more sense to think of it as the second day in Portuguese so the naming stays consistent.
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GandalftheBlack 6 points 6 months ago
A lot of us, apparently
GandalftheBlack 5 points 6 months ago
I'm not from the US
pewgar_seemsimandroid 0 points 6 months ago
heard it's the British
thethunderwolf 74 points 6 months ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601
[D] is the weekday number, from 1 through 7, beginning with Monday and ending with Sunday.
piwakawakas 30 points 6 months ago
I always knew starting the week on Sunday was messed up. Thankfully there's an ISO to back me up
far_university1990 7 points 6 months ago
It also say YYYY-mm-dd should be date and HH:MM:SS should be time and YYYY-mm-ddTHH:MM:SS should be datetime. But it also allow extremely cursed datetime, many prefer rfc3339
piwakawakas 8 points 6 months ago
I use that date format for saving work docs anyway. And use dd/mm/yyyy for anything else.
Although thinking about it, maybe I should just adopt the international standard for everything
MisterFrog 4 points 6 months ago
I routinely do this in emails and documents. No one has ever questioned me on it because they're used to it from folder/file names.
Please do join me in slowly changing the world over to year, month, day order.
(Though I prefer the non-standard dots instead of hyphens, as they are non-line-breaking, and allows for hyphens to be used as separators for other parts in a file along with underscores)
YYYY.MM.DD is my fave
trxxruraxvr 5 points 6 months ago
But it also allow extremely cursed datetime
Like what?
HereIAm 6 points 6 months ago
The standard specify a ton features and formats. Thing like day if week so 2015-W4-1 would be the first day of the fourth week of 2015.
But the you have can have periods like "P1Y2M10DT2H30M", and you can specify start and end dates. So if you want to start an event that runs for 3 months, 20 days, and some time you could write it as "20220212T1133/P3M20DT7H15M".
And then there's more like giving the year as an exponent, so 2015 can be written as Y-2.015E3S4.
rumschlumpel 1 point 6 months ago
It would be perfect if it wasn't for that fuck-ugly 'T' separator between date and time that also makes it harder to read.
RampantParanoia2365 2 points 6 months ago
Well, you see your image is different from the other image.
MisterFrog 1 point 6 months ago
Is the Sabbath Sunday? I thought it was Saturday. But regardless, some countries start the week on Sunday.
It's cursed as heck when we call Saturday and Sunday the weekend.
FaeriesWearBoots 47 points 6 months ago
This could be every month if we adopted a 13 month calendar of 4, 7 day weeks. Works out very cleanly with only 1 extra day per year.
qistoph 22 points 6 months ago
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birdwing 13 points 6 months ago
Combined with Holocene calendar and decimal time.. hnrggh.. one can dream! I actually designed a spreadsheet for exactly this and it works perfectly. Only issue is that it doesn't auto-update, you need to edit an empty cell of the spreadsheet (doesn't even need to be saved), for it to update to the current time.
Would be nice to have an installation that lets you use that calendar and time format...
thedarkfly 3 points 6 months ago
I actually like the 12 or 60 based time! Couldn't we change to base 12 for everything instead? 🥺
MyDarkestTimeline01 4 points 6 months ago
The true ideal.
rustydrd 3 points 6 months ago
Behold Symmetry454, the TRUE true ideal.
dan 11 points 6 months ago
While we're changing the calendar, can we rename September through December so they're not off by two?
Septem, Octo, Novem and Decem are the Latin words for 7, 8, 9 and 10 respectively, but they're actually the 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th months of the year. This is because the Roman calendar was originally only 10 months, but Julius Caesar inserted two new months in the middle, without renaming the last four.
Maybe the oldest tech debt in existence - the calendar was changed in 45 BC.
thethunderwolf 1 point 6 months ago
In Japanese months are named based on the number of the month, literally "first month" to "12th month", which is the most sensible way to do it
Why not just call February 2026 "month 2 of 2026" and call the 9th of February 2026 "the 9th of month 2 of 2026"
dan 2 points 6 months ago
That's essentially how the Roman calendar was named for six out of the 10 months:
- Martius: (Mars)
- Aprilis: (from aperire, "to open")
- Maius: (Maia, goddess)
- Junius: (Juno, goddess)
- Quintilis: (Fifth)
- Sextilis: (Sixth)
- September: (Seventh)
- October: (Eighth)
- November: (Ninth)
- December: (Tenth)
portifornia 2 points 6 months ago
Agreed. It's so simple and beautiful.
- The once a year extra-day is an international Eat The Rich holiday. Probably tied to the winter solstice.
- And every fourth year we all get a bonus-extra Leap Purge holiday.
The Gregorian calendar has nothing on this!
PapaStevesy 1 point 6 months ago
The best part is that every date (i.e. the 1st, the 22nd, etc) would always fall on the same day of the week, every month.
Robust_Mirror 2 points 6 months ago
Next year for Monday fans.
Kage520 2 points 6 months ago
I grew up with the calendar as shown here. Like bookends on a shelf. The week "ends".
My wife's work insists weeks start on Mondays. This allows them to schedule her differently and not get overtime according to their scheduling.
Mine does the same, but insists the week starts on Saturdays.
I don't know why the world cannot decide a proper schema for this.
Buddahriffic 19 points 6 months ago
I live in a blue area but I never agreed that the week starts with Sunday. It's clearly Monday and I dgaf who says otherwise.
spicehoarder 4 points 6 months ago
Dispite growing up in the US, I never actually considered Sunday as the first day of the week. I just saw Saturday and Sunday as margins to the actual week days.
groet 19 points 6 months ago
There exist only 14 different calendars.
Jan 1= monday, Jan 1 = tuesday, ..., Jan 1= sunday, and again the same 7 combinations for leap years.
There is a difference for hollidays like easter that are based on the moon cycle, but just from the days of the week its only 14.
Wolf314159 13 points 6 months ago
This should be always. We could easily have 13 months with an even 28 days, or four weeks, every year. But, you're going to say, "What about that last day?" That's new year's day, it's once a year, not ever a regular day of the week, and every leap year we get 2 of them and make a weekend of it. Those remainder calendar days don't need to be a particular day of the week, we can just make them holidays and stop worrying about it. Or we do keep them as regular days of the week and the calendar shifts by a day or two every year. I don't really care. I just want the months and weeks to be at least a little less chaotic. And if there is going to be a chaotic little remainder weekend every year, it might as well be a party.
blanketswithsmallpox 3 points 6 months ago
No, and your rent goes down by an equivalent amount for the 13th month as well.
Robust_Mirror 0 points 6 months ago
What I'm going to say is: technology. The calendar will never change because of technology. This would be the most expensive and extensive change in history. Every computer system, program, device everything.
And you have to either retroactively change past dates, or support 2 systems at the same time. It's almost insurmountable at this point.
Wolf314159 2 points 6 months ago
I've lived through attempts to switch to metric and Y2K. Tech problems are easy compared to changing direction against societal interia.
BillyClark 6 points 6 months ago
That can't be correct, can it?
They would have a rotating 7 year schedule, but it's messed up by leap years. You have the seven calendars you're thinking of and 1-2 leap year calendars mixed into those 7 years. It would have to be somewhere between 1 in 8 and 1 in 9, wouldn't it?
CompassRed 4 points 6 months ago
I think it's more like 303/2800 chance.
There are 97 leap days every 400 years, then the calendar repeats. So you have 303/400 chance of not having a leap year, and in those years, you get a 1/7 chance of having this calendar. Thus 303/2800.
BillyClark 1 point 6 months ago
This is counterintuitive to me, because 303/2800 is .108, which is between 1/9 and 1/10. But 97 out of 400 is less than 1 out of 4, so it shouldn't be able to interfere more than twice in a 7 year cycle, on average. But your math looks correct. I must be missing something.
QualifiedKitten 1 point 6 months ago
No, since there's only 7 different possibilities, then over a sufficiently large sample, the probabilities would all still balance out to 1 in 7.
CannonFodder 5 points 6 months ago
There's 14 different possibilities because of leap years.
QualifiedKitten 1 point 6 months ago
Oh yeah, you're right. I was focusing on just where the first day of the week lands, not the full month calendar.
oopsgodisdeadmybad 3 points 6 months ago
I mean that happens twice in the same year sometimes anyway (2024).
But when February does it, it does mean two consecutive ones.
RampantParanoia2365 2 points 6 months ago
Yeah, but they can't all be Friday the 13th, unfortunately.
putainsdetoiles 3 points 6 months ago
Never been more proud of my birth month. It did it! February really pulled it off!
RampantParanoia2365 2 points 6 months ago
My father's birthday is in February. Maybe I'll frame him a calendar page.
Lushed_Lungfish 2 points 6 months ago
My daughter ripped off part of the February sheet on the calendar. Because it lines up so perfectly, March just auto fills in the ripped bits.
prenatal_confusion 2 points 6 months ago
Disordians want a word
LavaPlanet 2 points 6 months ago
Oh wow, my birthday is on a Sunday this year. I don't have to get up early? Yaaay!
BuboScandiacus 0 points 6 months ago
What ?
gandalf_der_12te -1 points 6 months ago
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