More like doctors reject inconvenient truth in favor of useful lie
Buddahriffic 5 points 7 months ago
Humans in general, not just doctors. Not all humans but it's not a rare trait. Or maybe all humans and I'm doing it myself by leaving that opening, which might be accepted because others also want to believe they don't.
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WillFord27 8 points 7 months ago
"A lethal dose of cyanide is around 50–300 milligrams (mg). A 2018 analysis of previous research states that a person would have to eat around 83–500 seeds to develop acute cyanide poisoning." Medical News Today, citing 2018 Oxford analysis
A redditor also did the math on how many apples that would be: "Apple seeds can release as much as 0.6 mg of Cyanide per gram of seed.
The average apple seed has a mass of 0.756 grams
The average apple contains 8 seeds
Therefore there are approximately 5.25 grams of apple seeds per apple, yielding a theoretical maximum release of 3.25 mg of cyanide from one apple
The lethal dose of Cyanide is based on body mass and is listed as 1.5 mg/kg.
A human can ingest about 41% of the lethal dose before seeing any side effects.
41% of 1.5 mg/kg = 0.615 mg/kg
The average adult male weighs 81.6466 kg (180 lbs)
Therefore the lethal dose in the average male is 50.213 mg.
50.213/3.15 = ~16 Apples
Therefore the average male can consume ~16 apples without feeling any side effects."
WorldsDumbestMan 5 points 7 months ago
Unless you are a doctor that does not give pain relief for IUD.
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LemmyKnowsBest -4 points 7 months ago
Um, yes they do. They tell us to take ibuprofen before the procedure.
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WR5 2 points 7 months ago
Sure I understand that, especially for your personal experiences. I also recognize this has historically been a huge issue. I work closely with doctors and nurse practitioners in women's health (L&D, urogynecology, etc.) and they all take it very seriously (they are of mixed genders). I think it depends on the area and expertise of the doctor, but this is an outdated mindset that is (in my experience) quickly becoming obsolete as more voices are raised and research is published. I'm just against the sweeping generalization of "doctors believe" or "doctors think" and am quick to call it out for clarification. It has been used to support people avoiding healthcare practioners or trusting modern medical science. Saying "my doctor was shitty because they don't listen to my concerns" is super valid and should be acknowledged, but "doctors don't listen to women" is not a fair representation.
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Lemming6969 0 points 7 months ago
The real question is, does it matter? If pain doesn't change future behavior or outcomes, especially with having no memory of that pain, what does it matter?
Same for boiling someone alive... How you die doesn't really matter, because if you aren't going to survive, the experience didn't impact anything.
flyingSock 87 points 7 months ago
why are thelobsters cooked? They turn red during cooking, so these two must be speaking from experience.
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SatansMaggotyCumFart 56 points 7 months ago
It's actually very environmentally friendly to eat humans so the momentary pain is offset by the collective good.
inb4_FoundTheVegan 5 points 7 months ago
Oh but you always suggest that Johnny.
infinitesunrise 2 points 7 months ago
It's actually not, the average industrialized nation human requires several tons of carbon in upkeep per year, so if you're harvesting them at 20 years you're adding dozens if not hundreds of tons of carbon into the environment.
SatansMaggotyCumFart 1 point 7 months ago
You’re not taking into account the fifty years of no carbon footprint if you eat them at twenty.
cattywampas 42 points 7 months ago
You know, I've read that stabbing them through their head doesn't really kill them because they have distributed ganglia instead of one centralized brain.
sun_is_ra 29 points 7 months ago
You need to define what the word alive means first.
If you cut a roach's head, it stays sort of alive in that the body responds when trying to touch it or expose it to harm but it won't do anything if left alone. just standing still until eventual death.
A decapitated roach might still be able to "feel" pain but in my personal opinion - I am no expert in the matter - it doesn't feel stress, trauma or have bad memory of the incident. Just pain and an appropriate reflex to it.
cattywampas 28 points 7 months ago
In this context "alive" means "still able to feel and process pain."
racketlauncher831 3 points 7 months ago
How does the decapitated roach feel the pain? The processing unit has been disconnected from the source of pain.
cattywampas 6 points 7 months ago
No it hasn't been. Cockroaches, lobsters, and other arthropods have a decentralized nervous system. They have ganglia throughout their entire body instead of one centralized brain. These ganglia can react to stimuli independent of the other ones.
Thedogdrinkscoffee 11 points 7 months ago
I had a girlfriend like that once. It didn't work out. She did, fortunately, taste great with garlic butter so the relationship wasn't a total loss.
hakunawazo 5 points 7 months ago
finallymadeanaccount 37 points 7 months ago
When I was a kid, I watched a TV show with one of Australia's early 'celebrity' chefs, Bernard King. He had a live lobster in front of him, which he then proceeded to cut the tail from. The lobster made audible 'squeeee!' noises, and tried to move away. He just laughed and said it couldn't feel anything.
Anyway, he was a cunt.
VinnyDaCat 23 points 7 months ago
You wouldn't do this to your cat. Or your dog. Or any other pet. Why should they have to go through it?
Sagan_Wept -8 points 7 months ago
I would eat both of it were legal. Dog meat has been described to me multiple times and it sounds devine. Cats used to be called rooftop chickens. If you're unwilling to eat X meat because of sympathy, I think you're a bad omnivor. Also my family recently survived a famine so I feel it's disrespectful to my ancestors
JstAnthrUsr 11 points 7 months ago
Dont forget that cats also are invasive in a lot of places. Now get that rooftop chicken before it gets an actual bird.
on a serious note: the good PR that cats have is INSANE they are dangerous for avifauna but saying that ones cat is an "outside cat" who needs to roam around freely is somehow considered a valid statement - it is a pet ffs. But doing the same with a dog usually is not.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 3 points 7 months ago
i mean our "outside cats" are usually doing work killing rats and shit, so
ivanafterall 3 points 7 months ago
Also all the birds.
JstAnthrUsr 2 points 7 months ago
Yeah that can be a valid context from my POV, especially in a farm or sth similar.
But at least in my country the majority of outside cats are in suburbs or similar family homes with no agriculture around that is threatened by vermin.
On the other hand now I am wondering on the efficiency of cats as pest control.
NeatNit 3 points 7 months ago
Don't cats also keep rodent populations in check? It's not all bad. Cities are completely transformed for humans anyway, so it's hard to say what fauna "should" survive on the streets.
But outside of cities, you're damn right. There was that one individual cat that is responsible for the extinction of multiple species!
JstAnthrUsr 2 points 7 months ago
Not sure how effective of a pest control cats are. And don't be mistaken on the role of cities as ecosystems. They can harbour birds a lot, especially with greenspaces.
Bloomcole 1 point 7 months ago
As required where I live cats should be neutered/sterilized.
That is sufficient.
The invasive argument is often used as an excuse by cat haters (there seem to be a lot for some reason) and sadists who do the most horrible things to them.
My cat was as good as a family member.
Always said if theoretically there were 2 people in a burning house and my cat, the first thing I'm doing is save my cat.
Not even a question.
And I don't want to think about what I would do if I caught one of those sick animal torturers.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 2 points 7 months ago
been in that theoretical and the first thing all of us did was corral the cats.
ILikeBoobies 2 points 7 months ago
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ewxCyRaECC0
Because I can't find the actual comic.
Nikls94 4 points 7 months ago
Big Jack.
https://m.webtoons.com/en/canvas/pet-foolery/big-jack/viewer?title_no=691801&episode_no=94
chonglibloodsport 1 point 7 months ago
Cats are well known for eating their former owners after they die.
AnimalsDream 2 points 7 months ago
I'm sure it's disrespectful to our ancestors if we could work for a livable wage as well. Some of us care a little bit more about future generations.
infinitesunrise 2 points 7 months ago
Disrespecting your ancestors has been a miracle for my cholesterol levels
YiddishMcSquidish 19 points 7 months ago
I judge people who don't sever the notochord first. It's like the most basic respect you can offer.
YiddishMcSquidish 17 points 7 months ago
That's fair. I accept that I am not the second coming, but I live in this world as best I can while still enjoying the comforts it offers
baguettefish 14 points 7 months ago
i don't think any living animal actively offers themself for your culinary pleasure.
WhyIHateTheInternet 4 points 7 months ago
Well there's that one guy that wanted someone to eat his penis or whatever. I believe he even paid.
spankinspinach 0 points 7 months ago
Perhaps not, but he openly admits he does his best. That's enough
spankinspinach 5 points 7 months ago
You respect where your food comes from. Enjoy your well-deserved comforts, haters are gonna hate
YiddishMcSquidish 1 point 7 months ago
Speaking of food, love the UN! Spinach is one of my favorite things.
AnimalsDream 0 points 7 months ago
There's a goldilocks zone where our own individual longevity can be met while simultaneously causing the least harm to all life, within practicality. That zone being within the territory of the blue zones to one degree or another. Or to be straight to the point, it is completely unnecessary for the vast majority of people to ever need to depend on animal products for food.
cattywampas 8 points 7 months ago
It doesn't actually kill them, and it's so small that you're likely to miss it anyway.
YiddishMcSquidish 3 points 7 months ago
Killing them isn't the point, it's to prevent suffering.
cattywampas 8 points 7 months ago
They don't have a nervous system like vertebrates do. They can still feel pain if you slice them through the head because they have a network of ganglia throughout their body, not one centralized brain.
SwingingTheLamp 8 points 7 months ago
Babies don't have a notochord, though. It disappears earlier in fetal development in vertebrates.
WhyIHateTheInternet 4 points 7 months ago
So... We can eat babies then, right? Need an answer sooner than later.
WorldsDumbestMan 2 points 7 months ago
This is weirdly distrubing and morbid to read. Not that it matters.
infinitesunrise 8 points 7 months ago
That noise that sounds like screaming is just the air leaving his lungs
ivanafterall 2 points 7 months ago
Wait, do the lobsters scream? :(
chonglibloodsport 6 points 7 months ago
As I understand it, it’s the steam escaping from the shells. The screaming (whistling) sound is present at the end of the cooking process (long after they’re dead), not the beginning.
JuliaSuraez 2 points 7 months ago
The irony hits harder than the boiling water 😭
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