In the latest episode of "they will always sell you out" - they sold you out! Who would've thought.
Hoping for a good alternative client to appear, the writing is on the wall. Vaultwarden can't exist without "leeching" off of Bitwarden.
Bitwarden's new CEO has a Private Equity background, removed 'Inclusion' and 'Always Free' from their website -- because of course he did
5 months ago by German The Jackal to c/selfhosted
MangoPenguin 82 points 5 months ago
KeePassXC + KeePassDX is probably the best option, with the downside of no way to sync easily (syncthing is probably the best option there)
I might switch back at some point, been getting frustrated with the bitwarden extension performance always being so poor.
electric_nan 20 points 5 months ago
Sync however you want. Syncthing, Nextcloud, Dropbox, Gdrive etc.
electric_nan 10 points 5 months ago
I use Nextcloud myself, but if people don't want to host a server or fuck with syncthing, they can sync it however they want as long as they use a strong enough master password/phrase (which they should be anyway.).
german 16 points 5 months ago
Merge conflicts are a concern for KeePass, especially for those that don’t want to resolve them. Sync is difficult. AFAIK this is a very common issue with Syncthing setups.
Also, the portability from Bitwarden to KP leaves a bit to be desired, though that’s probably 90% on BW.
eli 8 points 5 months ago
I've been using KeePass with Syncthing for 5+ years now and I think I've only had a sync issue once in all this time.
Granted I do make sure I only use the database on one device at a time (so not making edits on desktop and my phone at the same time) and I'm using XC and DX clients not the OG KeePass program.
I'm curious what is causing sync issues to make it "common", I use my db every day.
german 4 points 5 months ago
Yeah, it’s not an uncommon use case to accidentally or even intentionally edit the database on two online devices - I do it all the time when I want a new login to be used on my laptop right after I signed up for some new website on my PC, and the laptop just happens to have an “unpushed” change from last evening, or I edit the new login’s metadata, or whatever.
With this, I’d have to keep a mental model of the versioning of each database and avoid even touching my phone like the plague if KeePass is open on my computer.
It’s not that big of a deal, it’ll probably be a problem once every few months, but it’s annoying to keep track of and worth talking about.
MangoPenguin 4 points 5 months ago
I switched over to keepass yesterday, and surprisingly the import from BW was perfect (as far as I can tell), even passkeys came over just fine.
elmicha 3 points 5 months ago
I'm using Keepass2Android (and KeepassXC). It can copy the database from/to an sftp server, so it can easily merge the entries. I don't have the sftp server exposed to the Internet, because when I'm not home, nobody will change the database at home.
lka1988 2 points 5 months ago
Merge conflicts are a concern for KeePass
It's really not that much of an issue. I sync my database between several devices, some of which are only used occasionally. Rarely do I ever have a merge conflict.
If you're editing the database on multiple devices before they have a chance to sync with each other, maybe stop doing that. That's what causes merge issues.
SeductiveTortoise 1 point 5 months ago
I'm using KeeWeb on Mac and Windows and Keepass2Android on my Android device and I don't have any issues at all. I'm storing in OneDrive though, this is the one thing I'm using it for still.
Resonosity 13 points 5 months ago
My first password manager was KeePassXC.
Hooked it up with Syncthing, and I've never had issues aside from the occasion database duplicate.
tremble5218 4 points 5 months ago
Rclone with any cloud provider is another great option that's seldom mentioned. I posted my setup as a comment on another post. You may find it here - https://programming.dev/comment/23849767
auntieclokwise 3 points 5 months ago
I use KeePass with KeeAnywhere. KeePass can natively sync over network share, FTP, or WebDav. With plugins, it can sync over SSH, FTPS, Amazon S3 compatible buckets (including open source compatible versions you host yourself), Azure, Box, Dropbox, Google Drive, OneDrive, and more.
MangoPenguin 2 points 5 months ago
KeeAnywhere
That's a neat one, although it doesn't look like KeePass supports passkeys yet, at least I don't see it in the feature list.
auntieclokwise 1 point 5 months ago
Are you trying to use a passkey to unlock the database or for authenticating with other websites? KeePass can natively do TOTP. There's also plugins to do that. Including one that allows KeePass to be a native Windows 11 PassKey Provider.
lka1988 1 point 5 months ago
XC is really nice, but the devs are kinda dicks about not integrating some sort of syncing option, instead telling everyone who asks to "just point it to a local folder and use <*insert sync tool of your choice*> to keep that folder updated." Which isn't terrible advice, but some of us don't have that option on managed devices.
MangoPenguin 1 point 5 months ago
I ended up using Keepass2Android and just pointing it at my webdav server, it seems to work pretty well!
On desktop it's already taken care of since I put the DB in my folders that already sync via Syncthing.
zeitverschreib 18 points 5 months ago
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Wasn't there some commotion a few weeks about KeepassXC and vibe coding?
Dumhuvud 34 points 5 months ago
Yeah, there was. It was forked because of that, actually: https://codeberg.org/ChiPass
blackbrook 10 points 5 months ago
Their AI policy looks very reasonable, and they certainly aren't vibe coding. Everything is rigorously reviewed and tested by a handful of experienced, competent humans.
eightys3v3n 9 points 5 months ago
They also don't effectively allow collaboration though, which is my cheif reason for using a cloud hosted password manager.
eightys3v3n 7 points 5 months ago
Sharing passwords between groups of people so everyone always has the up to date version. Not breaking the world if two people try to modify the same entry as some file syncing solutions do.
eightys3v3n 4 points 5 months ago
Valid. But it's also valid that it now doesn't work for me or anyone who also helps manage other people's lives or works on a team ¯_(ツ)_/¯
frongt 0 points 5 months ago
Sure they do. Multiple people can have a file open at the same time. I use it for exactly this every day at work.
With KeePassXC, that is. I don't know if other flavors have different support. I use XC primarily for the browser extension.
eightys3v3n 3 points 5 months ago
And you can both modify the same things without causing horrible conflict issues? And you can share only parts of your vault with someone rather than having entirely different vaults you have to switch between? I'm assuming you mean putting the file somewhere like Google Drive, and you can access it offline even if you can't edit it offline? For feature parity with Bitwarden, obviously ideally one could edit any time and it would resolve problems when it came back online if there were any but Bitwarden doesn't allow this.
4am 20 points 5 months ago
Two articles behind a paywall, one that won’t load, and another article that says the big problem with passkeys is…people are unfamiliar with them.
If anyone tells you that Passkeys are bad, they’re a liar. Way more safe than passwords, full stop.
Just don’t let Microsoft or Apple tie them to your device. You don’t have to do that.
Flagstaff 6 points 5 months ago
Are you calling me a liar? That's pretty weird; it's not like I'm telling you to stick to passwords while I move to passkeys. With that said, though, get Bypass Paywalls Clean (Mozilla-only, as far as I know) and you'll never see another paywall again. I forgot about having that.
Just don’t let Microsoft or Apple tie them to your device. You don’t have to do that.
The problem is that this is where it's eventually going to lead to.
qqq 3 points 5 months ago
There is no full stop there... A password that is sufficiently long will never be cracked no matter the hashing algorithm in use. Passwords are easily transferrable and can be communicated to a third party in the event of an emergency. They also provide tunable security, where you can trade off security for convenience if you want.
Some (not all, I know) passkeys are tied to a device. Stolen device means stolen passkey, and it's potentially very difficult to recover from that. Passkeys are also locked to a certain standard, passwords have no such restrictions.
Tbh I don't understand the move for passkeys replacing passwords. They should become the second factor when a user wants additional security. They're perfect for that niche.
tordenflesk 6 points 5 months ago
Took me like 5 minutes to move back to KeepassXC.
duckshuffgoose 1 point 5 months ago
i want to switch back to KeepassXC, but I very heavily use aliases in Proton Pass and can't figure out a good way to still create those on the fly AND use Keepass as my default pass provider
IncogCyberSpaceUser 2 points 5 months ago
Keepassdx supports creating aliases via addy.io I think
Speculater 6 points 5 months ago
I just got Bit warden this year! Gah. Where are we jumping?
testaccount789 18 points 5 months ago
Full circle to sticky notes on monitor.
bordam 2 points 5 months ago
Password Store is the answer, if you don’t need passkey support. You can be sure it can’t be sold. It’s the golden middle: not self hosted, but not owned by anyone.
FreedomAdvocate -14 points 5 months ago
Maybe pay for one then?
Shortstack 107 points 5 months ago
That’s troubling, I don’t like what this portends.
The new CEOs background especially suggests they’re spiffing up the company for a later sellout, why else would they pick a merger specialist for the role?
otter 80 points 5 months ago
I think the original title was more helpful because it shows that this is a recent development. Maybe you can add "new CEO"?
Bitwarden scrubs ‘Always free’ and ‘Inclusion’ values from its website as longtime execs step down
In February, longtime CEO Michael Crandell moved to an advisory role, according to LinkedIn, with no announcement from the company. His replacement, Michael Sullivan, former CEO of both Acquia and Insightsoftware, touts his experience with “all facets of mergers and acquisitions” on his own LinkedIn page, including experience working with leading private equity firms.
CFO Stephen Morrison also left Bitwarden in April, replaced by former InVision CEO Michael Shenkman. Both Crandell and Morrison joined the company in 2019. Kyle Spearrin, who started Bitwarden as a fun hobby project in 2015, remains the company’s CTO.
silentjohn 55 points 5 months ago
Every company is basically evil at this point.
grue 13 points 5 months ago
Since Dodge v. Ford Motor Co (1919), if not earlier.
See also: https://reclaimdemocracy.org/...
SnotFlickerman 50 points 5 months ago
This is why corporate promises can never be trusted, because a new CEO can change those promises on a whim.
It's part of why despite being interested in Beeper, I never signed up for it because I had questions about if those privacy promises they made would be kept if they sold to a bigger company... which they eventually did.
On the plus side Bitwarden already made an official open source self-hosted version, which can be forked and/or return to the community developed Vaultwarden roots.
Meanwhile KeepassXC keeps on chugging along.
northernlights 10 points 5 months ago
FYI beeper is really just matrix with bridges. Once I realized that I set up my own and now I have the same functionalities as beeper, self hosted, with a choice of clients.
gsv 3 points 5 months ago
With one difference. After merging with text.com they switched to a model with on-device bridges so that the decryption on their servers is no longer needed. Ofc it’s similar if the matrix instance and the bridges run on the own server.
SnotFlickerman 1 point 5 months ago
Oh I was well aware at the time, but I had a lot of friends who still struggled with trying to use Matrix/Element so at the time I was seeking a simpler solution for them.
youcantreadthis -10 points 5 months ago
How fucking stupid do you need to be to struggle with element do they struggle to use cups are they trying to do weird advanced features on an architecture I've never heard of with a compiler built themselves wtf
WhyJiffie 2 points 5 months ago
element was very buggy a few years ago. the new clients are just now starting to get feature parity, and in my experience calls are still quite unstable, requiring your server to have some specific additional setup (which most public registration instances don't have), besides that not a lot of clients have implemented yet MatrixRTC calls. even the client list on matrix.org is only showing whether a client supports the former calling system.
so for the layman it's definitely not production ready yet. and even for new tech literate users some of the things are still challenging to figure out.
SnotFlickerman 2 points 5 months ago
Wow, usually people lose their shit and complain that Element is too complex and that me and the devs are being assholes asking them to use it... You know kind of like all the people here on the Fediverse who think we need to make it bigger and bring in everyone from everywhere and that the devs and users who defend them are awful for not focusing on user interface first and making it less confusing to choose a server...
Anyway, thanks for being on team reasonable, because I'm with you on this 100%, but I can't change how little people want to learn anything sadly so I make compromises with people who cant or wont learn how to do things. It sucks, people really don't seem to understand that security and convenience are a balance, and every time people argue for shit to be easier they're actually arguing for everything to be less secure. You sacrifice security for convenience, every time, and the opposite happens because you can sacrifice convenience for increased security measures. Security has to be complex by nature to be effective, and the core of Matrix is being a secure, encrypted protocol, which they have already actually put a ton of work into making easier for fucking normies. Yet, it's never enough for people. Always screams of "It's too complex! I hate thinking!"
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german 8 points 5 months ago
Not to my knowledge. As far as forks go, that’s true. However, Vaultwarden would need to become an independent team, and even if they don’t take over maintaining the client, someone else would need to become independent. While it can work, it can also lead to very nasty, longstanding bugs or security issues due to scale, budget, and effort. I see this a lot with Apple apps for example - smaller developers understandably don’t want to deal with Apple’s crap and costs, and everyone suffers in the end.
If you look at the current state of the cybersecurity world, it’s not kind to open-source developers. AI-generated BS is dredging up vulnerabilities on all sides. So security is also a big concern. Someone like Bitwarden has a lot of budget to swing.
Vaultwarden itself is incredibly good, but not perfect:
https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2026-26012.
Edit: Bad example, point is security is a concern with a smaller team.
godsammitdam 14 points 5 months ago path: 0 23759192 23759384 23759470, hotness: undefined, score: 14, children: 6
german 3 points 5 months ago
True dat. The more people know every corporation, even the most “wholesome chungus Reddit karma 100” ones ONLY care about squeezing profits out of you, the better off we’re going to be in the future.
Check out and contribute to gomuks. It’s the go-to power user Matrix client as I’ve learned. I recently developed a theme for it to make it look more like Cinny, which itself is a bit of a Discord UI Clone. I don’t actually use gomuks, but it really needed a nice theme.
FreedomAdvocate -1 points 5 months ago
Anyone that doesn’t understand that companies exist to make profit needs to be studied at this point. You have to wonder how they even function in the world.
People don’t go work 9-5 for the fun of it and for free, do they? No, a company and/or customers pay them. Without that payment step there’s no job and there’s no product/service.
If you don’t think the company deserves your money, find another free service and use that until they start charging. Rinse and repeat - or just be an adult and pay for services and work that you like and use.
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Adderbox76 37 points 5 months ago
Goddammit. Why can't we have nice things?
sloppy_diffuser 35 points 5 months ago
They responded on reddit and walked some of it back as an "oversight": https://www.reddit.com/.... Allegedly, I'm too lazy to verify.
german 35 points 5 months ago
They also haven’t addressed the removal of inclusion and transparency from their goals.
EDIT: They did. They said it’s “less of a priority”. The article I shared has been updated. I smell corporate bullshit though. “Oversight” this, “priority shift” that, they’d have to work hard to gain any trust back.
Cyber 33 points 5 months ago
My solution:
https://keepass.info/donate.html
(& yes, I'm linking to their donate page first)
aesthelete 25 points 5 months ago
Keep ass what though? /s
hexagonwin 13 points 5 months ago
why this over keepassxc?
lka1988 4 points 5 months ago
When someone says "use KeePass", we generally mean ”use an app based on KeePass".
Personally, I use the OG KeePass (work laptop), KeePass XC (all personal machines), Keepass2Android (personal Pixel), and Keepassium (work iPhone).
Whichever one you use is entirely subjective. Also, XC wouldn't exist without the OG KeePass, so maybe don't be a tribal weird-ass over it.
jjlinux 3 points 5 months ago
I've been wanting to move to KeePass from my current vaultwarden. What's the most seamless way to synchronize the DB across GrapheneOS and Arch?
I trust Syncthing for syncing files, but it kind of feels insufficient for an actual encrypted database.
What works for you for syncing?
lka1988 1 point 5 months ago
The encrypted database is a file. Syncthing handles it perfectly fine. KeePass' protocol has versioning and merge support built right in, so all of the KeePass variants work great with each other without issues over Syncthing.
Just make sure you're not editing the database on multiple machines at the same time - that'll cause merge conflicts.
Cyber 2 points 5 months ago
Personally, I use a plugin for passphrases and - last time I looked - the other forks didn't handle them.
Does keepassxc support plugins now?
On my phone, I use KeePassDX from F-Droid and KeePassDroid (Not sure if that's being maintained at the moment?)
The main point is; we need to support open source developers, so pick an open-source solution and contribute, donate, etc.
wickedrando 26 points 5 months ago
i was just thinking this week with the passphrase addition how good bitwarden is and when will the other shoe drop. There it is.
MonkeMischief 13 points 5 months ago
Oh crap, how's KeePass got an LLM involved‽ Time to look into this now...
I did find https://codeberg.org/ChiPass/ChiPass , but it looks like a very new project.
DFX4509B 18 points 5 months ago
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hexagonwin 11 points 5 months ago
...actually seems quite reasonable.
lka1988 9 points 5 months ago
Yeah, I'm no fan of slopcoding either, but this policy addresses those who contribute AI-generated code; it is most certainly not "our devs are shipping AI slopcode".
Seems a lot here missed this part:
All code submissions go through a rigorous review process regardless of the development workflow or submitter.
Linus Torvalds does the same thing with the Linux kernel. He gets AI-generated slopcode submissions all the time. They're reviewed by real people, and like most submissions Linus gets, sloppy work is rejected, AI and human alike.
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aesthelete 17 points 5 months ago
I'm going to have to just write my own one of these fucking things aren't I?
captcha_incorrect 4 points 5 months ago
And Strongbox for iOS. They communicate with KeepassXC to keep the vaults compatible with both software.
monotux 2 points 5 months ago
@captcha_incorrect is there any way to disable the TRY STRONGBOX PRO button?
captcha_incorrect 1 point 5 months ago
Not that I know of. I bought pro.
Mister_Hangman 15 points 5 months ago
Clue me in on why vaultwarden can’t exist without it?
baduhai 35 points 5 months ago
It can, but vaultwarden, as it currently is, is an implementation of the server only. So if bitwarden decides to go closed source all the way, they'd haver to start either creating their own clients or fork the current bitwarden clients.
outerspace 14 points 5 months ago
Sad. Replaced everything with keepassxc + syncthing
palmtrees2309 12 points 5 months ago
Vaultwarden here I come
auntieclokwise 14 points 5 months ago
No, KeePass. Fully open source, no cloud involved in any way, unless you want something to sync your data (the server only ever sees your encrypted database - all encryption and decryption is done locally). You can also host your own sync server using any of a variety of different protocols.
MonkeMischief 9 points 5 months ago
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Yep. Seconding this!
KeePass + Syncthing is the best.
Back up the database(s) regularly. (Syncthing can also retain x number of versions and things like that, but also do your own 3-2-1 backups.)
You can use something as simple as a Pi, or an old laptop, or even an old phone if you get creative, as an always-on syncthing server to keep them synchronized. KeePassXC even has a fancy integration with Firefox, so all you gotta do is unlock your database and click autofill on websites.
Edit: lmao seriously, not like I care but what's there to downvote about this? 😂
auntieclokwise 2 points 5 months ago
I use KeePass + KeeAnywhere. KeeAnywhere will sync with a wide variety of cloud storage providers. Or your own S3 data bucket server (can be self hosted or on Amazon), if you prefer. Does pretty much the same thing though with versioning. Auto filling in Firefox is done with KeePassHttp-connector on the Firefox side and the KeePassHTTP plugin in KeePass. Similar to what you describe.
eli 2 points 5 months ago
Yup, been doing this combo for 5-6 years now.
I use KeePassXC on desktop and KeePassDX on Android. No issues whatsoever.
I do have a NAS so that's my "always on" device for Syncthing. Everything syncs up within like 10-15 seconds when a device connects.
I also use a key file as a pseudo 2FA that I keep on a flash drive, so you'd need my master password and my key file to unlock the database.
palmtrees2309 1 point 5 months ago
Ok thanks for the heads up
lka1988 -1 points 5 months ago
BW news dropped, so you're going to move to something that still requires the BW app?
Circular logic, friend. Ditch everything related to BW. Move to a truly open password manager like KeePass (including its various forks).
mlg -3 points 5 months ago
I hate to break the news but the issue with Bitwarden is that the client sucks total ass, and there are no drop in 3rd party replacements for the browser plugin.
Been running Vaultwarden for a while now and even though the sync implementation is nice and clean, it's just not worth the end user experience.
This is really dumb when compared to literally every other password manager, open source and enterprise which does a much better job of actually being a password manager and not a glorified encrypted text file.
I'm eventually going to switch back to KeePassXC and just suggest setting a master password with Firefox's builtin password manager for everyone else who just wants a painless user experience and not have to deal with syncing vaults.
lechekaflan 11 points 5 months ago
Once again, enshittification by the fucking suits.
Early on I decided to use only KeePass for full personal control instead of an online service. Didn't regret making that decision.
deadcade 11 points 5 months ago
Hoping for another Moonlight/Sunshine moment! Already running Vaultwarden, rbw, and Keyguard. Just need a simple FOSS browser extension for autofill and editing entries.
For context, Moonlight was created first as a FOSS Nvidea gamestream client. Then Sunshine was created as a FOSS server implementation. Later, Nvidia dropped "official" support, now the two projects are a FOSS stack built atop a formerly proprietary protocol.
qwestjest78 10 points 5 months ago
Fuck
Fmstrat 2 points 5 months ago
Well, yes, Vaultwarden would need more support, but that happens pretty frequently when a major provider enshitifies. Look at Godot, Lemmy, etc.
As for the CVE linked, BitWarden itself has many more: https://app.opencve.io/cve/?vendor=bitwarden
CVEs aren't an indication of poor quality. Speed to resolution is. It's not often devs themselves are finding CVEs, it's the community.
At the core, regardless of what a C suiter does to the marketing, the state of the FOSS repos is what matters. Since they already walked back the "always free" comment this whole debate may be moot, so time will tell. Hopefully the rest of the company and the public sway them to continue to support it properly themselves.
Grandwolf319 9 points 5 months ago
Oh no, and I just setup Vaultwarden
lavander 8 points 5 months ago
I am confused. Aren’t their clients open source? How many milliseconds will take till 100s folks will fork it?
Their server is useless and Vaultwarden is already a superior option
While I agree that they are a “at risk” company, I don’t think the software itself is at risk
gergolippai 2 points 5 months ago
you saw that something on the internet will go to shit in a couple of years? speak to us, oracle! :)
irotsoma 4 points 5 months ago
I mean at this point in its evolution, what parts does vaultwarden rely on from bitwarden? The clients, but there are alternatives like keyguard for Android devices. What other layers does it rely on, I actually have been trying to figure this out myself.
deathbird 7 points 5 months ago
I could care less that he removed inclusion, if that was all it was. But it got replaced by "innovation", which coming from a guy who proudly lists his private capital ventures sounds like a dog whistle for figuring out how to fuck over customers.
Bad portents all around.
rounding_error 6 points 5 months ago
Well fuck this
AverageEarthling 4 points 5 months ago
The year of keepass and syncthing!.
Decronym 2 points 5 months ago
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:
| Fewer Letters | More Letters |
|---|---|
| Git | Popular version control system, primarily for code |
| IoT | Internet of Things for device controllers |
| NAS | Network-Attached Storage |
| SSH | Secure Shell for remote terminal access |
| VPN | Virtual Private Network |
5 acronyms in this thread; the most compressed thread commented on today has 12 acronyms.
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WorldsDumbestMan 1 point 5 months ago
They all want all of the poor people dead. They are wagging war on us.
asdfasdfasdf 1 point 5 months ago
We really need a VaultWarden service run by a non-profit.
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Stupendous 1 point 5 months ago
Keepassxc and whatever I'm using off f droid for Android. Then is sync with proton drive. Works well for me. I do the same for my one time password backups. You don't even need to pay for a subscription to proton. These are small files. Free version is good enough
Flagstaff 2 points 5 months ago
Yes, I use KeePassDX as well.
sync with proton drive
That's not good enough. Stay entirely offline. Keep your own stuff in sync via Syncthing and Syncthing-Fork daisy chains, especially if they're small files.
lka1988 0 points 5 months ago
Yes, the previous maintainer of Syncthing-Fork gave it the green light. Honestly, from the explanation they gave, it sounds like they just have major social anxiety. But it's all settled. Even the maintainer for the Google Play version is good with it.
FreedomAdvocate -5 points 5 months ago
No one is being “sold out” lol. Anyone using the free tier has had a great run with an amazing service without paying a cent. Can’t complain about that.
I already pay for Bitwarden as it’s a great service that brings a lot of value. I’m happy to pay for it, and have zero anger at a company wanting to make money from their product.
Others might disagree, but companies can’t exist without making money. It’s insane that there are somehow still people that don’t understand how business works.
My work just started giving out 6 sponsored family licenses per employee which is awesome, so I’ll actually get to stop paying for it for a while.
gusgalarnyk 12 points 5 months ago
Buddy, I don't know if you've been living under a rock but everything a venture capitalist touches is enshittifying. You think any of these companies you're reading headlines about are suffering to keep their doors open? When google locks down android or X starts including ads in Grok they're doing it to keep the lights on? You think if Bitwarden started cutting free services and charging more the average employee is going to get a proportional raise to the new profits?
No. We're not upset because we dont understand that a company needs to make money. We're upset because we have basic pattern recognition skills and we understand the nature of late stage capitalism on wealth inequality (at least intuitively). This (likely) isn't some smart business person coming in to balance the books, this is (likely) some rich asshole whose job is to kill the golden goose and sell it for parts before anyone catches on that you need it alive to produce eggs.
FreedomAdvocate -1 points 5 months ago
You only have the world you live in thanks to capitalism. Without calitalism things like Bitwarden wouldn’t even exist.
Companies exist to make profit. Investors want profit, that’s why they invest. That’s why these products exist in the first place.
There’s no better system than capitalism, and complaining about “late stage capitalism” and blaming everything on it is dumb.
pocker_machine 3 points 5 months ago
There are profits that grow over time, keeping their promises, without harming customers, and with values at the core of the company.
Then there are profits gained immediately by cutting corners in many places, ignoring damage to reputation, and driven by greed.
These kind of news point to the second case and we all thought bitwarden was the first kind.
irmadlad -17 points 5 months ago
https://bitwarden.com/pricing/
I kind of find the headline a bit disingenuous. However, if they do move to a non-free model, I'd still pay for it. I mean $1.65/Month USD. Sure, I don't even have to think about it.
Bluegrass_Addict 28 points 5 months ago
yeah fuck that... fuck subscriptions ALL OF THEM. fucn these companies, ALL OF THEM.
stop giving any of these pricks any slack. none of them deserve it, nor money.
today it's 1.65... tomorrow it's 4.99... next week it's 12.99.. stop being a mindless sheep giving them any sort of leeway. you're enabling the scammers to literally scam you more, and more and more.
I'm relocating all my shit right now because we'll.. fuck em. I am loyal to NO COMPANY. none of them deserve anything but bankruptcy at a minimum.
iamthetot 11 points 5 months ago
I've cut down my subscriptions by a lot over the past few years, and I've gotten very close to what I consider a minimum. Whenever possible, I like to buy outright.
However, surely you can understand how not every product can function as a one time purchase. For something like a password manager, they are providing an ongoing service. They are storing and serving your data.
You can self host, sure, and I'm doing a lot of that lately. But not everyone has the capacity or desire to.
All that said, this leadership shakeup is concerning and I think I'll be migrating to Proton, since I already have a Duo plan.
Flagstaff 2 points 5 months ago
You don't need to self-host at all! Daisy-chain your needed files via Syncthing and Syncthing-Fork. That's literally what I do with KeePassXC and KeePassDX, keeping everything offline.
hellmo_luciferrari 4 points 5 months ago
I am totally in line with not agreeing with everything being a subscription. And I absolutely dont agree with subscription creep.
So I minimize what I pay for. And let me say, in no means am I defending the change in Bitwarden here. I would never.
It isn't a realistic expectation to expect any hosted service to be free. Especially in capitalism. Someone will come along and fuck with pricing.
Not everyone has the time, knowledge, or finances to fund self hosting everything.
But to automatically assume everyone is a sheep for using a service that benefits them is a bit of a jump.
Yes, I myself value privacy, security, and the merits of self hosting as much as I can with my resources. And I have had conversations with people on these topics, and there are the folk that lack the understanding of the importance of the hill many of the folk like me stand on. So I have seen the wide spectrum of people who pay for services.
Wild take dude.
yAlL aRe ShEeP blah blah blah...
irmadlad -3 points 5 months ago
today it’s 1.65… tomorrow it’s 4.99… next week it’s 12.99… stop being a mindless sheep giving them any sort of leeway. you’re enabling the scammers to literally scam you more, and more and more.
'Mindless sheep'. That's hilarious. But I get it. Nobody likes to pay for shit.
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irmadlad 11 points 5 months ago
It's not 'out of touch'. It's paying for (if it comes to that) a service that houses all of my business accounts, investment accounts, personal accounts, etc, and all with a pretty damn good track record. As with any technology, you must constantly evaluate it to see if what you are spending is justified for the service you are receiving. If at such time I feel the service isn't worth the price, then sure. As of now, it's not really an issue to me.
TheTrueColonel 5 points 5 months ago
Funny thing is I clicked the link and "Always free." was gone. Refreshed the page and it was back. Definitely something going on.
irmadlad 2 points 5 months ago
That is totally awesome and cool bro. You'll never hear me throw shade on someone for charting their own course in life or choosing a different path. In fact, to drop a little relevant Hendrix up in here:
"I'm the one who has to die when it's time for me to die. So, let me live my life the way I want."
As long as my life doesn't interfere with your life, we'll be just jippity jippity. Rock on! Git sum! It's a big world. We can all coexist.
youcantreadthis -18 points 5 months ago
Everyone who used and shilled them deserves thus lol
FreedomAdvocate 1 point 5 months ago
Many of us already pay for it because it’s an amazing service that we appreciate and are happy to pay for.
Not everyone is a cheapskate who thinks they deserve other people’s hard work to not be rewarded.
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