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It's really not that bad except the paint job every 10-20 years which costs as much as a new car, but back in the day they had oil paint which didn't peel like latex does. Still, imo, worth it to live in an historic, unique, drag queen of a home.
I suppose if you can afford a house like this you can afford a really nice new car every so often. A really nice car. Because a full scraping, sanding, and repair plus 2-3 color paint can cost over $100,000.
Or ... you just develop a hobby of house painting...
As someone with an old wooden house, it's actually not bad. They're built so damn well that they just.. stay there.
The expensive part is if you need to do any renovations. Updating electrical, plumbing, and HVAC sucks.
The looks you get when you tell your contractor you want plaster, not drywall.
They had to find a guy who still knew how to do plaster walls when we redid our bathroom. He was well past retirement age.
I put in about 40hrs a year on scraping and painting and the total building envelope is only 160m2, and is much less detailed.
We figured out how to install gas lines appropriately. Many "ghosts" were gas inhalation induced hallucinations.
And 'juvenile delinquency' stopped after they took lead out of gasoline.
I like to read science fiction from that time and look at the things the authors, some of them actual scientists, overlooked.
An example of things that authors missed! I just watched a YouTube video looking at the history of instant communication devices in Sci-fi and Fantasy, and also how the author thought to use them in the narrative; contrasting that with how we'd actually use them through our modern understanding. They go on to argue that usage of instant communication is now so ubiquitous to our collective psyche that current sci-fi and fantasy stories can just invent it in basically every setting nowadays. It's actually a really easy thing to cook up if your narrative has any kind of magic system, be it science or standard issue. https://youtu.be/2Pw_7vAK9k8
Are video essays, specifically ones about storytelling, my special interest? Yes, but I hardly see how that's relevant.
You didn't see anything!
The lights have always been this way.
It's like all those stories from the 1800s of clocks stopping the moment a person died. Turns out of a lot of the clocks back then would stop running if you turned them sideways, which a lot of doctors did at night to be able to read the time of death.
If we go by the logic in some media where the ghosts are bound to the house/property, they probably don't want to be stuck somewhere that will eventually just dissolve in the rain.
I honestly don't understand the houses going up in my neighborhood - it's getting gentrified and what is being built is so ugly. Who is buying these ugly ass houses for 1.5 MILLION dollars? If that was my budget I'd build something beautiful with a big porch like this picture, but all the "luxury" homes are boxes with big garages in front. I look at them on Zillow and they aren't even pretty on the inside.
I work for a city that's an enclave for the mega-rich and is going through hyper-gentrification. People are buying 3 million dollar houses, tearing them down, and building 15 million-dollar houses.
It's the 1%ers being pushed out by the .01%ers. It's a whole different planet.
But the contractors still suck and cut every corner they can, so it really is the same anywhere you go.
100 years from now haunted house stories will be about boxes with big garages in front.
...that's essentially already liminal horror; it's been a thing my entire life but most folks don't recognise its modern incarnation since pop culture associates the genre with period affections of liminal horror from a century ago...
New builds really bug me too. They're so pricey and big, yet the developers keep putting them on postage stamp lots. Like, who wants to spend that much money on a freestanding house while being so crammed together that you might as well be sharing walls?
...it's driven by developer business models, the same reason lots grow narrow-and-deep: they're trying to maximise the market value of plattable land (square area) per infrastructure cost (linear streets + utilities), and narrow houses built right up to setback line means developers can squeeze the most 2500 ft^2^ mcmansions possible on their subdivided parcel...
While this house is beautiful and magnificent, it probably also needs to be gutted, insulated, rewired/replumbed, and lacks common hidey holes for central air. All those shingles are custom now, and the whole thing needs repainting regularly. The doorways and stairs are narrow, and most of the rooms are small by today's standards. The windows aren't low-e, and even with all that, it'll still probably leak air like a sieve.
It is a magnificent house, but it's also an absolute money pit to maintain, heat, and cool.
Agreed. I have never lived in a house younger than 70. While there are upsides beyond style (old growth forest framing, solid wood floors) there are downsides - have always been able to get central air, even in the 1925 house, but so very many things have to be changed and fixed. I wouldn't even try with a 200 year old house unless I was so rich. But if I was, I might. Or might build a reproduction with some reclaimed materials and some modern touches.
Even in our house, half 1940 half 1990, new metal roof, roof attachments, hurricane windows, and we are not yet close to the current building standards. An endless work in progress, I would enjoy that if it wasn't financially stressful, but the house I love and it's not as stressful as a mortgage and taxes on a 1.5M ugly house.
If you have the budget to buy the ugly box, you have the budget to buy the cardboard house, knock it down and build something you like that isn't so enormous. We didn't have the budget for either so are just slowly renovating and hardening the house we bought.
My point isn't that houses are too expensive - that is beyond question at this point. Even your cardboard box would cost too much now for most anybody. What I do not understand is rich people buying ugly prefabricated stuff in general. I would use that budget for something bespoke.
Vinyl siding never looks good. Use any other material. And the insides are all sterile tones of grey. All the "luxury" apartments in my area are all grey. The floors this grey vinyl pho wood. Grey cabits and counters. Bleh
Faux. Pho would imply they are made of soup.
Yeah ours has the vinyl and it does cheapen the look. It's on the list. The boxes though - they are just blocks made with concrete blocks and stucco-ed.
I like some gray but gray fake wood floors are among the worst, who thought that would look good for more than 5 minutes? I don't like marble floors either. Wood in a wood color is #1, terrazzo is fine, nice tile is fine.
I do know people have different taste but don't think that this exterior or interior could be pleasing to anyone, and again the house was well over a million $. Though to be fair they had to drop it from 1.5 to 1.2 to sell it, that is still too much and nobody is building anything reasonable except people who are hiring their own builders. All the speculative ones are either straight up boxes or something like this, going into a neighborhood that was just little houses, frame or block. For that $$ I would want much more kitchen too.



Say, isn't that the old Henderson place? I heard they never could find a buyer after what happened.
Oh wait, here comes a happy and naive young family from out of town.
I wonder if older houses seem more "hauntable" simply because they were built to facilitate air flow within them. Before air conditioning, homes had to be built to allow air to naturally circulate. Thought was placed into room, door, and window layouts to encourage air flow throughout the home, windows were designed to fully open, and transom windows allowed air flow even when doors were closed.
The point is that old homes were built to allow air flow. This means that there's more opportunity for doors to randomly close and other things to be disturbed by the wind. Older homes also weren't as sealed and insulated as well. They were designed assuming that some of the structure would get wet and then dry out. Older buildings were designed to undergo constant moisture cycling, while newer buildings try to seal out moisture all together. More dramatic changes in lumber moisture content means more creaks, groans, and other ghostly noises.
Simply because of how buildings science has evolved, it's possible that older homes just more readily produce "haunting" sounds than modern ones.
Haunted houses are old. There's no way McMansions will last long enough for ghosts to sprout.
Fucking ghosts better chip in paying for the upkeep, property taxes, and everything else. No one gets to haunt for free.
Posting a notice on my bedroom wall that I'm going to call an exorcist to evict my ghosts unless they pay their overdue rent.
Don't forget to collect on the security deposit for superficial damages.
superficial damages
*supernatural damages
Thereβs nowhere close to the demand for artisanship anymore. Rich people display their wealth through expensive disposable items, not carefully made things.
That's a cruel backhanded swipe at Ferrari
Also, they want something they can remodel every few years.
"My house is haunted."
"You live in a ranch in the suburbs built in 1983. What kind of white bread ghost stuck around that mess?"
ranch in the suburbs
I thought that was what they call eating out in Iowa?
Fun fact I once witnessed someone chug ranch dressing in a rural Nevada parking lot. I wish I filmed it because they drained it from new to empty in the same period of time it takes me to chug a gallon of water.
One who complains about the lack of Bree and the quality of the toilet paper?
I have a relative with a haunted McMansion. They're rich, they bought a slot in a brand new subdivision, had the house built for them. We joke that it's on an Indian burial ground. Everyone's had some kind of experience there, voices in another room when you're there alone, electronics turn themselves on and off, they're spouse interacted with a demon child thing and it left marks, rooms losing electric like the power went out but other rooms on the same circuit breakers are fine, I've personally heard a bloodcurdling scream come from upstairs while I was housesitting for them...
That place is the reason I'm agnostic, and not fully atheist.
Or more likely inhaled a lot of black mold spores
Poor guy...
The real truth is cheapass construction goals. Straight lines and few details are easy enough for less skilled labor to complete and it is easier to hide imperfections when there are fewer details.
The real truth is cost. To be able to afford to have this built, would cost a lot more than it did back then. Cost of living has become so high and you have to pay construction workers a living wage.
The real truth is ghosts caused 911 because jet fuel canβt melt steel beams with help from a ghost
Yea a lot of people that sit in cubicles 9-5 wouldβve been craftsman in the past
Some of them, maybe. A lot more would be farm hands
If you think curves and pillars are hard to represent in software, you'll be aghast how hard they are to represent with hand drawings.
Your typical architect or engineer of the era would need a kit of dozens of French curves to achieve proper specs in the drawing.

I think auto cad's role in minimizing residential craftsmanship pales in comparison to pre-fab techniques, fewer craftspeople, high volume assemblies, necessity for faster builds, less old-growth timber availability, and a philosophical shift in the economics of home building that now lean more towards speed and mass production.
That house is a nightmare for any craftsman working on it too. You can pretty much forget about most external DIY stuff. Straight lines make for easy projects. Even crooked lines that are supposed to be straight are better than the curves and twists on this thing.
We don't build houses like that anymore because it would cost a fortune. That's a lot of man-hours of intricate, custom woodworking right there, and that don't come cheap.
You used to be able to buy similar homes from a sears catalog and put it together yourself. Maybe not quite as much detail, but still a lot more than you'd find anything on the market in the last 40 years.
Btw $753 adjusted from 1913 is only around 25k.
For some reason the thought of mail ordering a house from Sears has always seemed a weirdly comforting, once affordable American thing to me. Living in the western Chicago suburbs, I understand that there are several still standing in this party of the country.
I actually live in one that was built in the 30s. They're actually really well built since they used truss plates for all the framing, plus the quality of the wood from back then is night and day compared to the stuff you can get now.
only around 25k
For materials cost alone, mind you -- not including any labor you hire out in constructing it, and not including the land to put it on.
(And I'm guessing that 25k doesn't include any electrical, certainly not any HVAC, and maybe not even any indoor plumbing...)
Still, building codes and inspections aside, I think it could be a decent idea even in modern times to have mass-produced, mail-order house construction kits available. Trailer homes have kind of absorbed most of that niche, but they're not as well insulated or as long-lasting as real houses.
For materials cost alone, mind you -- not including any labor you hire out in constructing it, and not including the land to put it on.
These were typically put together by farming communities, kinda like a barn raising. Even if you had one of these put together for you, it's not like labour was a huge expense back then.
And I'm guessing that 25k doesn't include any electrical, certainly not any HVAC, and maybe not even any indoor plumbing...)
It's hard to make out, but in the link I posted you can see the add one that includes things like heating, electrical, plumbing, or different roofing materials. The additions are pretty affordable as well.
Still, building codes and inspections aside, I think it could be a decent idea even in modern times to have mass-produced, mail-order house construction kits available.
It was a pretty lucrative business for sears until the great depression hit. Unfortunately it was their mortgage side of the operation that forced them under. It would be interesting to see how they would operate today. The quality is great, I live in one from the early 30s and the bones are still rock solid.
Small houses can be scary, too! My living room when I moved in back in October (not a joke):

And there's so much more!
Do those numbers mean something?
No idea. I thought it might be the combination to the gun safe, but that doesn't seem to be it. Sort of a LOST situation, I deemed it best not to get too hung up on the numbers, after much speculation.
The spacing almost looks like Ol' Boy 22 or something. Weird find!
Edit: maybe Ol' Boyzz?
The previous owner went through a tragedy and had a rough go of it:


Also the crawlspace is labeled "The Dark Side" and there were shoes. And a VHS camera/tape I'll never watch.
STILL NOT JOKING!
In a way it has. Lumber harvested today is from much younger trees made to grow fast, so they have fewer rings and each ring is wider. Compared to older lumber that was often harvested from natural growth forests which is of course unsustainable, but is stronger and more dimensionally stable than new lumber.
I'm renovating my house which was built in 1942. Even though these houses were built as temporary worker housing during the war, the 2x4s are just insane quality. Perfectly straight and not a knot to be found in them anywhere. I repurposed some of them as stairway bannisters because they're so great.
Unfortunately, it took me awhile to notice that they're all 3.75" x 1.75". I knew older 2x4s were really 2" x 4" instead of the modern 3.5" x 1.5", but I never knew that there was an intermediate dimensional period like this. I kept building new walls 1/2" too high with them until I figured it out because they looked modern.
Try using bricks like the majority of the world
Iβve tried/succeeded kinda to make this house in The Sims before lol (DaisyMarie86 - I have lots of Victorians and Iβm a good builder π) and I can tell you why! itβs really hard and REALLY expensive!
Am I the only one or does that picture look kind of uncanny?
I can't place it... It looks uneven and wavy.
I smell burnt toast.
Since this is the closest thing I've seen to an architecture discussion on Lemmy, can I sidetrack this conversation?
I really want to talk about how I simultaneously love the Obamas and hate a lot of their style choices. The Brutalism of his new presidential library is... Imposing and unwelcoming.
A lot of people love Brutalism, but it's not for me either.
I love brutalism. I'm also not a fan of the design of the library.
Brutalism kind of requires an environment. But it's like a jagged tooth sticking out of a garden. Like a giant lawn rock. Lift it up and you'll find the keys to the American dream. Locked away like some davinci code nonsense.
Look at it this way: Brutalist buildings are more βhonest.β
All modern buildings are brutalist (reinforced concrete, bare materials) until their glass / metal / brick facades are put on.
The Obama library is the anti-trump building. Itβs devoid of flamboyance, false adornment, unnecessary material, or flashy opulence. It is exactly what it wants to be. Imposing but unobtrusive on the skyline. Itβs part of the scenery, without becoming the scenery.
Jesus. That looks like Bracknell.
Google search for Bracknell just pointed me to a town in England. What are we talking about here?
Look at the pictures of Bracknell.
They died cuz of the asbestos
/j
I can't find a picture to post but recently the building fad in my country for single family homes is cubes. Literally, cubes. The houses are made of grouped cubic structures. No rounded surfaces, no decorative details. A bit like watered down brutalism.
Can't imagine those houses aging well.
Meanwhile, old stone houses just look... good. Renovated, awsome. Abandoned, creepy. No ghosts though.
OoOoOoOoO.... I can't leave... Do you know what type of interest loan I have? OoOoOo
Is nobody gonna acknowledge this thing: 
Yes, I know it's a reflection. But since when is KKK haunting houses?
I'm seeing a traumatized dog, lol

ai gen or ai upscale, either way gtfo
It's real: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamwell_House
the house is real, image is upscale then...
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All I am seeing here, is the insane yearly cost of recurring maintenance on an old wooden house...*shudders*
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