I am still baffled by Microsofts incompetence. Skyping was literally used synonymously for video conferencing in general,

That surplus is factored in to the companies making money and providing consistant demand. Prices will increase if the treatment gets better because the capitalists and oligarchs will not willingly take a profits cut. The surplus waste in the current system could be utilized better, for example fast freezing and being provided to food banks or soup kitchens.

No matter how you cut it, if labor and land demand increases, the price will increase.

The land use would be significantly higher if the pigs were pasture fed instead of crop fed.

I don't even eat meat and I disagree completely with that lol.

care to give a reason why? Why do you think hurting animals is bad?

you have an incredibly bleak outlook on the "purpose" of a life. The slave is bred for the purpose of toiling for their master their entire life, does that justify anything? Hell the only reason the worker gets a wage is so they can work for the capitalist. The only reason people get maternity leave etc. is to breed more workers, that's your purpose in life.

Only the oppressor has a free choice in their lifes purpose. Well, somehow they always choose to oppress more so who knows. At least we have that old debate finally sorted.

Same, I moved to austria for that goal alone. There's plenty of lone areas around and we've been able to find a massive piece of land with an old farmers house which took a lot of work to restore it. We're not at full self-sufficiency yet, which honestly won't happen anyways since for some things like internet access, you always need some dependency, but we aim to produce most of the stuff we eat and most of the power we consume ourselves until 2030.

It's certainly no fire hazard. It's heated with hot water. If the water gets hot enough to ignite the coop, I might have a completely different problem because that same water is used in my house lmao.

The cleaning part is also not that true since we don't heat the stable to like 30°C at all times. It's only for winter when temperatures drop massively where we heat the stable to like 15°C. But we clean the coop every two days anyways, I've designed it to be easy to clean. It's fundamentally just a plywood plate that I can take out. Only takes like 15 minutes - remove the hay, remove the floor, pressure wash it, put it back in, add new hay, done. The pipes are directly below the plate, covered in styrofoam, heating it very reliably in winter without being some kind of danger to the coop.

I'm not a perfect vegan, I do my best, and I'm getting better. The expectation of perfection is self defeating. Ideally, though, I would have zero captive slaughtered animals in the world.

Just because your vegan doesn't mean you don't eat saturated fats. Coconut oil exists and I use way too much of that shit.

There are a ton of good reasons to eat fewer animal products...

And none of those reasons are veganism. Veganism provides a singular reason to not exploit animals any more than we need to for survival.

animal sanctuaries exist for this reason

The way I see it, the tiny fraction of meat that's produced ethically should go to the tiny fraction of people with dietary restrictions that require meat.

The vast majority of people are not going out to investigate small farms to see if their practices are ethical. They are buying meat from a grocery store, and if they consider it at all, they might pick one with a label slapped on like "organic," completely meaningless thanks to lobbying.

Practically speaking, it is almost always a choice between torture products and nothing.

But this response here is vital info that I need to know. I'm guessing the real issue here is "insane rude vegan" struck a nerve with you personally.

Yes! Good on you for noticing the speciesism that racism is built on! If non-human animals have less worth than humans then liking some humans to non-human animals means they have less worth. The issue is at the very start, that

a) non-human animal and human are a meaningful distinction
b) non-humans have inherently less worth than humans

Slavers do that because they think other Animals are worth nothing and want to say Human Slaves are also worth nothing.

Here quite the opposite is done. All Animals have a Worth. Every living being has the same worth. Modern Science says that Humans are also Animals.

If you still think its something only a Slaver would say then in your head other animals probably have no worth at all. So you think someone else wants to degrade humans with that comparison. Even tho its not degrading at all. You just think less of other animals, and you probably deny the science that Humans are Animals. Which is the reason why @Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org says you sound like a "human supremacist"

Talking like that is what human supremacists do.

Yeah, pet ownership is not considered vegan. On account of, you know, owning a sentient being, treating it as property.

a concerning lack of intelligence.

This reads like you are so insecure you have to personally attack people to cope with your own emotions.

I have a health degree, but ok mr. Expert. Have fun with ur heart disease. I'd just appreciate if you didn't confidently lead others down ignorant health courses like "eggs are healthy" lol

If an egg was so bad for your health, I ask you quite simply, how the hell do they support a chick during a very intense time of rapid growth?

That’s like saying being in a womb is unhealthy for a developing foetus.

Is this sophistry? Do you know this is a pants-on-head ridiculous thing to say? Not sure what would be worse, frankly. I could list a thousand things that are essential to life and yet kill you if you eat it.

Eggs are well known to be harmful to human health. Here is a short fully cited essay on the subject that introduces 267 fully cited videos on the same subject. https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/eggs/

The producers claim the footage is from slaughter houses, which is it?

That seems to be a map of all farms? How do you filter to factory farms

Not even just farms, tour companies too?

I usually just get the store brand ones but there’s plenty of brands to try. I’m not trying to guess where you’re from to know which brands are available to you, just try them out and see which you like :)

Possibly some variation of a Chorded keyboard or on screen keyboard.

Yeah, good luck with that. I guess you don't understand how humans and humanity work. Without incentive, you can't expect humanity to change anything, especially if the consequences don't affect them directly.

Theres also a difference between having a factory farm and having a normal more traditional farm, ignoring that is just deliberately being obtuse.

Never let perfection be the enemy of good.

1. Is easily fixed by just not killing the male chickens
2. Is easily fixed by giving your chickens nutritionally balanced food

The animals are also guilty of #3 , but two wrongs don't make a right

1. has nothing to do with the ethics of killing
2. again, the same (especially if they are kept in good nutrition, shells returned, etc.)
3. they aren't a person, and that would make all of nature existing unethical

Amen 🙏🙏

Except for the humans with malabsorptive disorders, who can't get enough protein from plant based foods, humans with Achlorhydria, who need more bioavailable nutrients than a plant based diet can provide, and people with any of several conditions affecting the liver or kidneys that prevent the absorption of several key vitamins from plant sources, and people with ARFID who can't eat plant based foods.

Most humans don't need to eat meat, but the minority who do need to eat meat is a much larger minority than most vegoon evangelists care to admit to.

you don't know what anyone else needs

yeah I guess that specific one maybe, but the rest is still true, he is just stating oppinions as fact and that's just not a good way to argue about anything.

Just say that you cum in your panties a bit when you pay for the torture of sentient beings

Just say you love huffing the smell of your own farts and that the malnutrition has left you with brain fog too severe to figure out how to operate a search engine.

I've presented just as much evidence as the user to whom I'm replying.

Thanks!

You'd be correct.

I doubt it's more stressful than being shot from a giant noisy metal bird.

Socialism!

Mop tubs in the break room are great for draining the carcass. Then you won't completely ruin Debra's cubicle when you butcher it during the holiday party.

OMG 🤭 I needed your sense of humor so bad this morning. I was in a real pit and your wit has started something positive. I just want you to know how much I appreciated it. 🙏

There are also many effective alternatives to animal testing in the case of vivisection for medical and pharmaceutical purposes. This is good news, since animals have been proven time and again to be poor models for the study of human injury and disease. But if this is the case, you might ask, why are animals still used in medical and pharmaceutical research at all? One reason is momentum. The tradition of vivisection is deeply ingrained in this research such that status quo bias is a powerful factor in perpetuating it. Another reason is money. Researchers receive grant money based on the number of papers they publish in scientific literature, and it is both easier and faster to use animals as test subjects than it is to undertake human-based research. Finally, while the FDA has often failed to show that the results of animal tests can be extrapolated to humans, companies still use animals in testing in order to protect themselves in the case of a lawsuit. This means that unreliable animal tests are giving rise to unreliable medical and pharmaceutical results, which result in unreliable treatments and medications that are themselves excused by the legal system because of the unreliable animal tests underpinning them. It is altogether a vicious circle that could be eliminated with a more sensible approach to medical and pharmaceutical research that does not involve animals at all.

https://yourveganfallacyis.com/...

Alright, well any tips would be appreciated whether directly useful or not

prove it

Go scream at cars driving by. Hold up posters of dead animals and tell them they did it. You will absolutely be a loved, effective, and mentally healthy person.

Whatever justification you need to treat people badly and also decrease the likelihood of anyone going vegan is not fine with me. You're toxic and your shit attitude literally hurts your cause. This attitude is a cancer that literally holds veganism back. Good job on that. I'm sure the animals that could've been saved if you had productive conversations would understand that it made you feel better to be a POS online.

Thanks for the tag request!

"I hAtE EvErYoNe WhO EaTs AnImAl PrOdUcTs" though? Now that shit creates loads of credibility and DEFINITELY doesn't discredit the one saying it as an out-of-touch moron who has the emotional intelligence of an infant.

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my comment was non intended to be serious :3

I was thinking more about amateurs trying and making a mess of things. Although modern abattoirs aren't much better so you're not wrong.

It was needless cruelty before you started giving out tokens for it. Now I need to go kill bunch of possums every year just so I can have dinner! You literally created extra cruelty.

Ah, it's more a "license" than a "token". Then, it should expire at the end of the year.

Plenty of people will continue to take things for granted, if it's not reinforced.

That doesn't scale to prices you can afford. But yes, if you want to, and can afford to, buy pig products at 10x the price, then buy from local farmers whose farms you can see.

Comparing pig farms to child rape definitely won't immediately make people disregard your argument.

It's not only about the pigs. Of course there is an ethical aspect, but the ecological harm in terms of water/nutrient usage and CO2 emission are in the focus here. Your comparison is not helpful at all.

I don't see it. So you're saying that the six panels in the picture are meant to represent: pollution, pollution, pollution, pollution, pollution, and animal cruelty?

Why would they break the pattern?