What’s an obscure but concrete technical fact that keeps creating preventable issues in the real world?

2 months ago by Iconoclast to c/asklemmy

kbal 100 points 2 months ago

Hundreds of years of burning coal has spread mercury compounds all over the land, so that quite often when they build a new dam for hydroelectric power it's dissolved into the water and ends up concentrated in fishes that people eat.

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HubertManne 31 points 2 months ago

having to be careful about how much fish you eat due to mercury is one of the top dystopian things to me. People think about agriculture and grains with civilization but when you look at how important and common fish was to our diet for so long. Its crazy.

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plyth 10 points 2 months ago

And they feed fish products to cows and chickens. The mercury should be there, too.

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sad_detective_man 14 points 2 months ago

I dunno man, sounds fucking woke to me

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Upgrayedd1776 6 points 2 months ago

its all big alchemy immortals trying to keep mercury's benefits under wraps

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sad_detective_man 2 points 2 months ago

I KNEW Qin Shi Huang was still around, fucking us from the past!

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Tollana1234567 11 points 2 months ago

also its organic mecury, which is more toxic than the metallic form.

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Toasticus 3 points 2 months ago

Man, humans have fundamentally and irreversibly fucked up this planet. We burn coal, so we have that problem you mentioned. I learned recently how chemical companies have done decades of a poor job just dumping chemical waste wherever they want or developing things that does more harm than good at the planet's expense.

Enjoy it while it's here I guess.

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Nastybutler 91 points 2 months ago

There's no way to make a backdoor for encryption that keeps the encryption secure. Politicians and government flunkies can't seem to wrap their pea brains around that concept.

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Zwuzelmaus 71 points 2 months ago

The "magical formula" for stairs.

If this rule isn't followed when building stairs, then it feels uncomfortable and more accidents will actually happen there.

In easy terms, it says: 2x riser + tread = average step lenght, usually 63cm.

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AstralPath 34 points 2 months ago

Oh man I hate it when stairs are not built to the proper ratio. It feels so weird.

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ech 15 points 2 months ago

I'm curious how this compares to eras before this formula was normalized and if this is universal or more so just a matter of keeping things the same so people get used to them.

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Corporal_Punishment 18 points 2 months ago

Visit any old city in the UK (York and Edinburgh for example) and a lot of passages between streets have steps with uneven heights.

When you're expecting it, its fine, you take extra care. But when its a modern building and they've fucked it up you really notice

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Almacca 13 points 2 months ago

When I did a tour of Edinburgh Castle, the guide said they'd do that deliberately to trip up invaders.

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QuadratureSurfer 5 points 2 months ago

Same thing for castles/forts in Portugal.

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CanadaPlus 5 points 2 months ago

Okay, sure, and watch out for Nessie. /s

Did they point down at a cupboard and tell you it was a tiny dungeon for torturing people, as well? That's a classic.

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SlurpingPus 3 points 2 months ago

I guess this is why the old-as-balls apartment house I live in, in the middle of the old city, has stair steps go higher further up.

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Zwuzelmaus 2 points 2 months ago

What if the invaders have the same in their castles at home...? 😉

(No, I don't believe it at all. They just built something without thinking too much)

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corsicanguppy 7 points 2 months ago path: 0 25443825 25445797 25448428 25449604, hotness: undefined, score: 7, children: 0
captain_aggravated 14 points 2 months ago

I know of a few cases in religious buildings where stairs were designed to have a mystical effect. In Angkor Wat, for example, the stairs have a steep and tall tread pattern. Commoners weren't used to them so they'd be exhausted, but the local monks were used to them so they could ascend and descend with ease.

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Beth 12 points 2 months ago

My house is over 100 years old and all the damn stairs are different.

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Rocketpoweredgorilla 5 points 2 months ago

Same here. My stairs seemed to be an afterthought meant to squeeze in where it shouldn't, built by someone who shouldn't even been allowed to hold a hammer. I have size 13 feet, they hang several inches over the step when I use them. I've went down those stairs faster than intended a few times now. The basement stairs were even worse, but they've been replaced now.

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Beth 3 points 2 months ago

This is all so relatable lol.. Oh well, have a spooky house with lots of quirks, so can’t really complain.

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diablicja 2 points 2 months ago

What part of the world? The house I grew up in is 110 years old and all the steps are even. Central Europe.

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Beth 2 points 2 months ago

New England. When I was looking at houses I went in a few of these as that’s basically a lot of the market here, and most of them had at least one set of stairs I found myself uncomfortable on. Mine aren’t too bad, just narrow and short, but I’m short so it doesn’t bother me really. The attic is the weird one because it’s this set of spiral wooden stairs that leads into a really nice, large, fully finished attic. It could absolutely be another useful space…except…the stairs start out in a bedroom closet.

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CanadaPlus 1 point 2 months ago

Yup. Can confirm from Canada. To be fair, they usually got them close to right here.

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Zwuzelmaus 7 points 2 months ago

I guess in China the number is smaller because the average people are smaller. Otherwise it is universal. It has been found out, not made up arbitrarily.

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cb900f_bodhi 6 points 2 months ago

I come from a family of carpenters, building all kinds of stairs for most of my life, and I've never heard of this. This is why I love construction; learn something new all the time. Thanks!

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ViatorOmnium 45 points 2 months ago path: 0 25443185, hotness: undefined, score: 45, children: 4
Assassassin 24 points 2 months ago

DNS constantly has weird little issues and attacks, same with ARP. Meanwhile, BGP just keeps on chugging along in the background, ignored and unappreciated, day in and day out.

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ViatorOmnium 19 points 2 months ago path: 0 25443185 25445686 25446072, hotness: undefined, score: 19, children: 0
bobzrkr 2 points 2 months ago

Also, the route back to the source host doesn't have to be same as the route out.

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ViatorOmnium 5 points 2 months ago

Despite the many issues that it can cause, that is an important feature of BGP. Since network connections can be asymmetrical, and outbound and inbound connections can have different requirements, the best (or most adequate) route from A to B might not be the best route from B to A.

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18107 43 points 2 months ago

Adding an extra lane to a congested road will always cause that road to be more congested, and will also increase traffic on nearby roads.

When China removed a highway, it reduced car traffic thought the entire city while not reducing the number of people travelling to and around the city.

The only solution to car traffic is viable alternatives to driving.

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DisasterTransport 15 points 2 months ago
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SoleInvictus 6 points 2 months ago

Don't forget zipper merging. I lived in an area where hundreds of hours spent commuting allowed me to observe the inability to merge was the primary driver of freeway congestion.

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DisasterTransport 2 points 2 months ago
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CanadaPlus 8 points 2 months ago

Probably not always. You build a 12 lane road entirely within a random small town, and it will stay empty and stupid. But, in the range of what actually might be built, yes, there's pretty strong empirical evidence that cars fill any available space.

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phineas1134 6 points 2 months ago path: 0 25454309 25460519, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 3
CanadaPlus 5 points 2 months ago

Which this actually isn't a straight example of, exactly. Jevon's paradox says more and better roads will mean more cars operating, not less. That happens, but in this case the increase is so great, that it leads to the same level of congestion on the roads all over again.

The wiki uses the example of coal. Better boilers and engines increased the use of coal, but it's fair to say industrial Europe had better coal powered equipment afterwards, not the same or worse. (Although, to be fair, congestion is only one metric of traffic performance)

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phineas1134 1 point 2 months ago

I agree, Jevon's is not the perfect way to describe this affect. Is there a better way to classify this? It's bugged me for a bit as I've had good debates about adding biking lanes and better sidewalks instead of just more lanes for cars. But Jevon's is the best I could come up with.

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CanadaPlus 3 points 2 months ago

No, it's relevant enough, thanks for bringing it up.

You could say something about the elasticity of road usage being 1, but if you're not a wonk that means nothing. Induced traffic is another technical term you might see around. Saying "research suggests another lane means an equal number of additional cars, eventually" is about what gets the best comprehension.

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dogdeanafternoon 5 points 2 months ago

This is definitely not always true. They added a lane in my city a few years ago and my commute went from 45 minutes to 30 minutes.

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CanadaPlus 2 points 2 months ago

IIRC the trend is observed over longer periods, where it feeds into people's decisions about whether to have a car or second car, and how far to commute. And even then, congestion and travel time are two different things - an extra lane probably makes no difference, but a new route or higher speed limit will get you there faster regardless.

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Smoogs 0 points 2 months ago

this logic asssumes more road == population growth

sure, and telescopes created all the stars in the sky.

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CanadaPlus 2 points 2 months ago

The number of car-hours per person per year isn't even close to fixed over the long run. The trend is basically that in the past, people might have carpooled, taken a bus or even hitchhiked, and usually lived close to their job. If the roads get better, they drive more.

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Smoogs -1 points 2 months ago

so your idea is installing a system is pushing for classism and hoping to furthering socioeconomic downturn on the landscape of select neighbourhoods with select individuals with large populations that are struggling, paying the most taxes, yet expected to travel for lower wage jobs and you want to make their travel to work harder.

how bigotted.

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CanadaPlus 1 point 2 months ago

WTF are you even saying, we're talking about cars.

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HobbitFoot 41 points 2 months ago

The longevity of concrete isn't just tied to the cylinder break strength.

Also, concrete with certain aggregates end up creating silica gel, which is bad for concrete.

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r0ertel 36 points 2 months ago

This is indeed a concrete technical fact!

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Unique_Emerald_Sol_I 7 points 2 months ago

Well, played, my friend, well played.

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HobbitFoot 7 points 2 months ago

Got to make sure I'm providing what OP wants.

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CanadaPlus 3 points 2 months ago

Which aggregates?

What are some other tests you can use to decide which concrete is best for you?

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HobbitFoot 3 points 2 months ago

Aggregates with a lot of unstable silica like strained quartz can cause the creation of silica gel when exposed to cement. The aggregate supplier should be the one running tests to prove they don't have reactive silica.

Other tests include air entrainment and the slump test. The concrete mix requirements should be chosen by the engineer or architect.

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CanadaPlus 3 points 2 months ago

Good to know, thank you!

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Iconoclast 40 points 2 months ago

An example from my field of expertise: Mixing different kinds of metals in wet environments causes the less noble one to corrode.

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Whelks_chance 38 points 2 months ago

The phrase "sacrificial anode" comes to mind

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Rocketpoweredgorilla 13 points 2 months ago

That reminds me, I need to get a new one for my hot water tank. I've lived here 6 years, you're supposed to change them around 5.

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MagicShel 12 points 2 months ago

It can be the difference between a water heater lasting 7 years and lasting 30.

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W98BSoD 2 points 2 months ago

Wait, that’s a thing?

If it is, then my 10 yr old hot water heater isn’t happy.

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Rocketpoweredgorilla 2 points 2 months ago

Yup, they stop your tank from rusting out. If you replace them regularly your tank will last virtually forever. If you don't, you'll be replacing the water tank before too long. A sacrificial anode costs around $50 bucks or so, a tank costs a lot more.

Here's a video showing you how to do it. It's not very hard at all. https://www.thisoldhouse.com/...

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HobbitFoot 9 points 2 months ago

Yeah. The worst part is that a lot of engineers and technicians don't fully understand galvanic corrosion when specifying how to attach two different metals together.

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gandalf_der_13te 39 points 2 months ago

In german and english, the comma in numbers is swapped. So the number 123.45 in german would be written as 123,45 while ironically, the thing that we used to separate thousands from hundreds is also swapped. So one-thousand-four-hundred would be written as 1,400 in english but as 1.400 in german ...

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gandalf_der_13te 24 points 2 months ago

On top of that, you would pronounce 678 as six-hundred-seven-ty-eight in english ... guess what it is in german:

Sechs-hundert-acht-und-sieb-zig (literally six-hundred-eight-and-seven-ty)


i'm actually trying to change this point specifically because it irks me ... but i am sadly alone with it.

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HobbitFoot 16 points 2 months ago

But French has a number problem four twenty ten nine times worse.

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Zwuzelmaus 2 points 2 months ago

This is soo nineties!

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Katana314 13 points 2 months ago

There are many European mechanisms that make more sense to me, like aluminum being “alumINIUM”, as with many other elements.

But periods in the middle of numbers always felt wrong to me. We already have structures for sentences that pause, then eventually close a thought: “Billy played with Susie, and her dog. Cute!” Not “Billy played with Susie. and her dog, Cute!”

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trem 7 points 2 months ago path: 0 25448249 25465936, hotness: undefined, score: 7, children: 0
Nomad 7 points 2 months ago

And even more fun is that some German speaking countries do it like the US. Like Switzerland for example....

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MonkderVierte 3 points 2 months ago

It's 1'400 in german.

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CanadaPlus 5 points 2 months ago

Ah yes, one foot four hundred inches. /s

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gandalf_der_13te 2 points 2 months ago

oh interesting, this is the first time that i see this. but it kinda makes sense, thanks.

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Strider 1 point 2 months ago

Unser Weg ist der richtige! 😜

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NotASharkInAManSuit 30 points 2 months ago

Microwaves can cause water to become super heated and explosive upon touch.

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Catoblepas 10 points 2 months ago

This includes things that are mostly water, like uncracked raw eggs.

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Hupf 7 points 2 months ago

ugly bags of mostly water

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CanadaPlus 4 points 2 months ago

Even cracked raw eggs can be volatile if you don't scramble them.

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PillowD 27 points 2 months ago

The asphalt pavement of roads must be 4 inches thick to last forever. 3 inches lasts 5 years, 2 inches lasts one year, 1 inch is crumbling before you finish. You constantly see crumbling roads in the third world because of corruption, they don't put as much pavement down as they charge for.

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Fritee 9 points 2 months ago

Now that’s a concrete fact

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elucubra 9 points 2 months ago

An asphalt fact, rather. Asphalt facts have lower modulus, so they are more adaptable to the point of the conversation.

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raman_klogius 22 points 2 months ago

Concrete being called cement.

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NeatNit 17 points 2 months ago

I don't see how that creates any issues

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Iconoclast 7 points 2 months ago

The workers at the jobsite are going to have an issue when they've showed up to pour a slab and your cement order arrives.

It's like expecting dough and receiving a bag of flour.

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W98BSoD 1 point 2 months ago

I understand this anology.

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gandalf_der_13te 2 points 2 months ago

i'm not sure why that is weird ... aren't they the same thing?

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Don_alForno 18 points 2 months ago

Cement is only the binding agent that makes it harden. Concrete is made from sand/gravel, water and cement (+ additives).

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svcg 15 points 2 months ago path: 0 25459261, hotness: undefined, score: 15, children: 0
whotookkarl 15 points 2 months ago

You need to test your restore procedure all the way through & periodically to have confidence in your backups

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Shayeta 14 points 2 months ago

Mitigating actions are celebrated, while preventative measures are ignored, or even mocked as unnecessary.

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Wakko 12 points 2 months ago

The Dunning-Kruger Effect.

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dellish 12 points 2 months ago

The borders between countries in the Middle East including India/Pakistan were deliberately drawn to cause conflict. Of course when that conflict started to come back home everyone was shocked pikachu faced about it. I really don't understand why people of those countries don't just throw away the map and sort it out amongst themselves like adults, but I guess expecting world leaders of a majority of countries to act like adults is a bit much to ask most of the time.

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Tollana1234567 2 points 2 months ago

kashmere, and northern india/bordering china. one wants the whole terrority the other wants the same, a pretense to expand later on.

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Sineljora 8 points 2 months ago

Among many other reasons, the biggest reason for me that the US stock market cannot be trusted is because market makers combine 3 techniques to create fraud and push risk to others to dilute unwitting companies and investors: borrow stocks, selling a borrowed stock to buy later, strategically failing to deliver stock.

Borrowing stocks doesn’t create a clean paper trail, can be done repeatedly, and steals shareholder votes.

Selling a borrowed stock to buy later can strategically intend to fail from the start where they don’t even have to locate (not even acquire as you might assume) a share to borrow, effectively creating new shares out of thin air. Market makers in the US can legally do this, even for the benefit of their hedge fund counterparts (sometimes under the same company).

Fails for stock delivery are allowed, so they’re a strategy. Cash in lieu is not the same as share ownership. Cash is fungible, stocks are not, and this gap can create technically infinite risk.

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Strider 2 points 2 months ago

Nah, the stock markets were fixed in 2008!

They created dark pools.

But in seriousness this unrealistic playground should be completely separated from real economics and fucks everything up.

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lemming741 2 points 2 months ago

Your infinite risk is my infinite gain 🍌

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MonkderVierte 7 points 2 months ago

Inheritance.

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Stormy 4 points 2 months ago

Lol what

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sexual_tomato 5 points 2 months ago

He's obviously talking about the book series by Christopher Paolini.

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MonkderVierte 1 point 2 months ago

Software dev.

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NihilsineNefas 5 points 2 months ago

The people designing and building large machinery and cars dont ever have to maintain them

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godsammitdam 4 points 2 months ago
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CanadaPlus 2 points 2 months ago

It's just helpful as in the picture, TBH.

Which capitalism? If you don't specify what you mean, you sound like you're selling something. And if you do, capitalism might be an extra word you don't need.

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godsammitdam 1 point 2 months ago
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CanadaPlus 1 point 2 months ago

Okay, but most of that stuff existed before industrialisation, which the man in the picture would have called pre-capitalist. So, if anything, it's less clear, now. Were the Romans capitalist? What about the USSR?

Like, this is a great example. Am I any closer to solving any of this? No. Do I understand more than before? Hell no. It really is like being handed some lettuce floating in a bowl of oil.

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vane 3 points 2 months ago

money is credit ( debt )

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