Ol' reliable

18 days ago by The Picard Maneuver to c/memes

Olgratin_Magmatoe 109 points 18 days ago

Missed opportunity to call it a "$350 e-waste spider"

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Semi_Hemi_Demigod 35 points 18 days ago

E-waste spyware spider

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bold_omi 3 points 18 days ago

spyder

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Martineski 4 points 18 days ago
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nymnympseudonym 78 points 18 days ago

WiFi has its problems but they don't include a tiny plastic tab costing $0.002 that inevitably breaks off, making the physical connection susceptible to fail at the tiniest touch of a butterfly's wing

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vic_rattlehead 55 points 18 days ago

Gotta get cables with a tab protector! They're lifesavers.

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fleem 50 points 18 days ago

the boot is certainly a nice thing to have!

but we all keep our rj45s and crimpers handy right? we all live this low voltage life? Right?

RIGHT??

edit typo

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Delilah 52 points 18 days ago

Orange-white orange green-white blue blue-white green brown-white brown

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walden 33 points 18 days ago

With the successful recitation of the secret chant, your acceptance to fraternal order of crimping is now complete.

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W98BSoD 7 points 18 days ago

WG-G-WO-Bl-WBl-O-WBr-Br gang rise up.

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FishFace 3 points 18 days ago

I remember trying to terminate some Cat5e in uni. I don't think a single one of the cables I made up were able to do gigabit... actually I don't think a single one was able to do 100 megabit. I'm colourblind so ordering the wires correctly was essentially impossible, but all of us involved were fucking up in various ways...

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dual_sport_dork 9 points 18 days ago

I certainly do. I store mine along with my cable tester in a Beretta pistol case because it confuses people.

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SpikedIguana 3 points 18 days ago

The Verizon guy liked coming to my place, asked me if I wanted modem upstairs or downstairs, told him it didn't matter, left side right side either way. 5ms ping maybe $100 in crimpers and cat7 from Lowe's.

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cannedtuna 21 points 18 days ago

Personally, I prefer the ones that don’t kill my fingers, or none at all

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takeda 1 point 18 days ago

How do they review reboot switches?

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randombullet 3 points 18 days ago path: 0 26008721 26008744 26011808 26020241 26023090, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 1
nymnympseudonym 15 points 18 days ago

They merely prolong the inevitable

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bitjunkie 8 points 18 days ago

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fuckwit_mcbumcrumble 4 points 18 days ago

I actively despise those things. When they’re the full boot they tend to be too tough. When they’re the tiny little things they do almost nothing. Plus the tabs will still break anyways eventually.

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prettybunnys 3 points 18 days ago

I like the flex tab that doesn’t have a hooked end.

Usually the tabs break from getting stressed the other direction while being “tugged gracefully and never with undue force”

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Ghoelian 3 points 18 days ago

I have destroyed my fingertips a few times having to unplug lots of cables with a boot, from unifi stuff that had the ports slightly recessed. I hate both of those designs so much.

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SpaceNoodle 2 points 18 days ago

I always install the boot when I make my cables.

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 2 points 18 days ago

I just redo the connector if the ends break. Those cable clamp pliers were worth it, now I just need more opportunities to clamp some cable

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DarrinBrunner 10 points 18 days ago

Stop messing with them. You don't need to keep putting them in and out. Also, it's easy to replace them with a $30 kit.

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Demdaru 12 points 18 days ago

"easy"

Easy my ass, somehow managed to make everything like I should at uni when we were taught these and still connection didn't happen on tester. Even our prof was baffled after we redid the process with her watching and it still failed. xD

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socsa 6 points 18 days ago

Some of those old testers were bullshit IMO. The one we had for our CCNA class, half the time it said the cable was bad, it would work just fine, full speed, no drama.

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 1 point 18 days ago

Yeah, I test them in use or with a voltimeter. If the voltimeter works (and the tester doesn't) the tester is bullshit.

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kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E 6 points 18 days ago

"""easy"""

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SkyezOpen 6 points 18 days ago

I currently have one that doesn't click, and during gaming sessions it will get hot and pop out just enough to disconnect me. I have no idea why I haven't replaced it yet.

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LodeMike 6 points 18 days ago

Reminder to replace this

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teslekova 3 points 18 days ago

Second reminder to replace the blue miscreant.

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SkyezOpen 2 points 18 days ago

It's actually yellow for some reason. I am in bed now but I am absolutely not clicking on 3 of the replies so they don't clear from my notifications until I replace it.

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Holytimes 1 point 18 days ago

This is a final reminder to remind you about the replacement reminders.

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LodeMike 3 points 18 days ago

Have you replaced it yet?

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 2 points 18 days ago

Hey sounds like you need to replace that cable. Just a reminder.

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smh 2 points 18 days ago

Don't forget to replace it.

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nymnympseudonym 1 point 18 days ago

gaming sessions

Greetings traveler from 1999 LAN party were you using IPX or TCP?

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can 3 points 18 days ago

Even worse when it hits the power button

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curbstickle 3 points 18 days ago

Just get repair clips, no need to cut the cable and re-crimp.

Also get snagless cables, they tend to use a much higher quality plastic for the tabs.

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libewa 4 points 18 days ago

If you own a 3D printer, there are even quite OK model files available. Just print them in the right orientation (so they don't break along the layer lines).

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Doom 58 points 18 days ago

Wifi? You may as well believe in magic. Buy a box of cable and one of these!

No testers - raw dog it. Party like a Quake party in 1999.

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rmuk 63 points 18 days ago

And now I will sing a traditional song of my people.

🟧⬜,🟧,🟩⬜,🟦,🟦⬜,🟩,🟫⬜,🟫.

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LifeInMultipleChoice 6 points 18 days ago

My brain was like that's to many wires... Until I finally was like oh orange white ... One wire lol. Them everything fell into place.

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OozingPositron 5 points 18 days ago

Wasn't there a second configuration too?

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zackhow 10 points 18 days ago

Crossover, but it isn’t needed anymore since most modern devices can detect what they are connected to and adjust.

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Feidry 5 points 18 days ago

Well there was A and B and it's been long enough since I made any cable, I don't remember which one everyone uses and which one only weirdos use.

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GenXLiberal 4 points 18 days ago path: 0 26012316 26013712 26018130, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 0
UnrepententProcrastinator 2 points 18 days ago

A or B, can't be bothered to look it up

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heartSagan5 5 points 18 days ago

B

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adjectivenoun 4 points 18 days ago

OK so I just learned, like, last week that there are two standards. Why are there two standards? WTF?

(The context is I was turning an Ethernet cable into an EtherCAT cable, which is a stupid industrial standard where you only wire up pins 1, 2, 3, and 6, and then charge the end user 200 times more for the cable.)

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RamRabbit 4 points 18 days ago

There are two standards as it allows one to make a crossover cable. (Do B on one side and A on the other)

I also find crossover cables completely useless and refuse to own one less it gets mixed into the pile. Everyone has a router/switch, which negates the need completely.

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socsa 8 points 18 days ago

If I have a PhD in WiFi, does that make me a wizard?

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calcopiritus 11 points 18 days ago

It makes you almost qualified to answer why the damn printer won't work.

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capt_wolf 5 points 18 days ago

Come on now... Not even god can answer that one.

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LifeInMultipleChoice 2 points 18 days ago

Someone should consider asking an AI to fix a series of platters, it'll probably just shut itself down.

Why doesn't it work? Because it's fucked... That's why

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SCmSTR 7 points 18 days ago

Had one. Somebody stole it at a lan, many years ago. Haven't bought another one, since, because I'm dumb.

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mrgoosmoos 4 points 18 days ago

I bought a cheap tool years ago and a few hundred feet of cat6 and some connectors and wall plates

ran my main AP off my own crimped cords for years without issue. speed tests always showed full speed

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Aralakh 4 points 18 days ago

What is one of these called?

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capt_wolf 7 points 18 days ago

It's called a crimp tool or a crimper.

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Aralakh 4 points 18 days ago

Thank you! The name totally escaped me haha

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beneeney 1 point 18 days ago
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WolfLink 37 points 18 days ago

The snaky boy is more than $3 these days, at least if you get a long one.

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modus 11 points 18 days ago

Buy them in spools.

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socsa 9 points 18 days ago

Also for just cheap cat5, it might not actually faster than modern WiFi.

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Hoimo 12 points 18 days ago

cat5 beats wifi in terms of wall penetration though, assuming you penetrated that wall with a drill and then pulled the cat5 through

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Tehhund 11 points 18 days ago

Say "penetrate" again, I'm almost finished.

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Daft_ish 2 points 18 days ago

Come on, dont blow just couple comments out of proportion. Why put so much load on some common terminology.

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Equinox1289 1 point 18 days ago

It'll have higher latency if that matters.

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BartyDeCanter 4 points 18 days ago

Cat 6 is what, $0.15 a foot? Plus maybe another $0.50 for the connectors and boots? That’s a 16 foot snake for $3.00.

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WolfLink 2 points 18 days ago

I think last time I bought one it was a 50 foot one for something like $15-$20.

People are mentioning buying from a spool but I am thinking more going to my local computer store,so there’s a some markup.

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BartyDeCanter 1 point 18 days ago

I bought a 1000 foot spool a few years back when wiring my house and have used it for helping out friends and family ever since. I’m not sure how much I have left, but I’ll probably pick up another whenever I do.

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DarrinBrunner 28 points 18 days ago

I climbed up in the roof crawl space (by no stretch is it an "attic") and ran Cat6 to every room in my house 15 years ago. The living room and two smaller bedrooms got one, and the master bedroom got two.

I'm very happy with the upgrade. I also run WiFi, of course, for phones and tablets, and my kid's Steam Deck, etc.

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ExcessShiv 21 points 18 days ago

I was going to call bullshit on that timeline...but hot damn it's already been 25 years since cat6 arrived.

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wreckedcarzz 2 points 18 days ago

I did the same but cat6a like 5 years ago. Though mine was primarily to limit wireless packet snooping/attacks, especially for devices that never got wpa3 support, not speed. There's like 50-60 devices on my network and all but two were wireless...

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LifeInMultipleChoice 2 points 18 days ago

Did you do solid core in the walls? Then stranded just for the final stretch or all solid?

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wreckedcarzz 2 points 18 days ago

I just ran patch cables, got them from Monoprice. Every room got a different color, in case I ever need to repair/replace a rooms connecting cable. Router to switch, switch to wall, wall to attic to other wall, wall to device. With faceplates + keystone jacks between the two sides of the walls.

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LifeInMultipleChoice 2 points 18 days ago

Patch cable is stranded so it is pretty flexible. I can't imagine you'll need to redo one unless some nefarious animal starts gnawing on something.

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teslekova 1 point 18 days ago

Knocked a hole in the wall for my network cables in the 90s. My mum thought I could have, like, asked first. So fussy.

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LazyOldPervert 27 points 18 days ago

$3 for CAT cable is not realistic but you still have my upvote

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adarza 7 points 18 days ago

for a short prefab patch cable to go from modem to router, it's actually a bit higher than what we pay.

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Tiger_Man_ 2 points 18 days ago

i got 10m of cat 6 for 28pln(around $8) at my local store, and to overpower the router on the picture you probably only need cat 5e

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kaotic 1 point 18 days ago

There’s a few 10 packs of 6 foot cables on Amazon for around $18, that’s less than $2 each.

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TrollTrollrolllol 1 point 18 days ago

The leftovers from a 100' roll i bought 15 years ago, some dusty ends and a crimper. $3 is probably too much. It's probably been 15 years since I've done it too but I still remember the order: Orange-white, orange, green-white, blue, blue-white, green, brown-white, brown

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PieMePlenty 24 points 18 days ago

I've grown to hate these routers. They only seem useful if you live in an apartment and place them in the middle and your walls are made of paper. Bought a few through the years thinking more money = better wifi, but wall construction and placement have much more impact. Living in a brick house, they're pretty shit. I've switched to non gamified wifi AP's connected to ethernet and the wifi's been great. Still prioritize wired wherever possible though.

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anarchy79 9 points 18 days ago

If something looks cool and flashy and has tons of "extra functions" I stay the fuck away from it because I know the target demographic and I know it's going to be shit in surprising ways.

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IphtashuFitz 8 points 18 days ago

Used to live in a 2 story house built in the 1900’s. It had plaster & lath walls. I ended up with 4 AP’s scattered about before we had decent WiFi coverage.

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RememberTheApollo_ 5 points 18 days ago

One of the worst things about those routers other than having generally poor coverage despite looking like a Crown of Thorns was that if you actually took advantage of the more advanced features like VLANs, port forwarding, static routes, FTP and all that stuff and set it up… It inevitably seemed that there was a 99% chance that a firmware update would not allow you to restore a backup of the router config on the updated device!

That happened a couple times, spent days getting everything set up only to find out the firmware update refused to load a config made with an older version. F that. Never used those routers again.

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fuckwit_mcbumcrumble 20 points 18 days ago

WiFi 6e and 7 are legitimate competitors to standard 1gig Ethernet. Setting up my new WAP I got 1.4gbps down on my phone. And I think my laptop touched 2 at one point.

But Ethernet will always be more consistent.

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partial_accumen 24 points 18 days ago

WiFi 6e and 7 are legitimate competitors to standard 1gig Ethernet.

In isolation, perhaps. Now cram 25 neighbors in high density housing in range with one another all using the same spectrum and see if that performance still is sustainable.

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fuckwit_mcbumcrumble 7 points 18 days ago

6ghz wifi doesn't go very far, you'll almost never see 25 6ghz connections.

At work I still get about 700 down with 25+ devices connected. There's legitimately about 50 wifi connections despite being 30 floors up, but they're all 2.4ghz which is worthless. Even 5ghz kinda sucks. But 6ghz? Rock solid.

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partial_accumen 4 points 18 days ago

The increase in frequency reduces signal penetration. Things like walls become major sources of signal attenuation. In open office plans, with no obstructive walls, no problem. In a house or apartment where you're separated by multiple walls (and the materials/thickness those walls are made of) that can add up to significant signal loss.

I haven't personally tried any 6GHz wifi technologies. Have you used it in any places where you're separated by obstructions from the access point?

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fuckwit_mcbumcrumble 3 points 18 days ago

Yes. I got 1.4gbps down through 2 walls. 6ghz penetrates a lot further than you'd think. And even weak 6ghz is better that 5ghz until the very outer reaches of signal. 6ghz wifi is truly magic.

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JordanZ 1 point 18 days ago
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socsa 3 points 18 days ago

The newest specs have various flavors of MIMO and beam/null forming which helps cut down on co-channel interference. Having 8 antennas isn't just a gimmick these days, which is pretty cool.

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partial_accumen 1 point 18 days ago

Thats good to hear. I'll have to look into this more. Thanks for sharing some of the specifics. My interest is now piqued!

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Malica 3 points 18 days ago

I'm lucky I live out in the boonies. Been on 7 for a couple years and it's been great for us.

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nullspace 19 points 18 days ago

The router hit end of service 6 months ago and has an open exploit.

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heartSagan5 17 points 18 days ago

The router is useless-ish without the $3 snakey boi.

“Ish?” Because you could set it up as a Wireless repeater?

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Ephera 5 points 18 days ago

You can get routers which use a SIM card for getting internet access. They're pretty cool. You just plug them into a wall outlet and bam, you've got your WiFi with internet access.

Plus you can even get them with integrated powerbank, so you really don't need to plug anything anymore.

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helpImTrappedOnline 4 points 18 days ago

Yes, some wireless routers can be used as repeaters.

Routers like that are really multi-purposes devices that handle routing, switching, and wireless. If you're only using a local network, you can still have the wifi network and all your devices communicate through that. You just won't have internet access.

With out the router/switch, the cable's usefullness is reduced - at least in the networking application we're talking about (the cable itself is incredibly usesful for many other things besides ethernet). You can connect (most) devices directly together for communication, they'll just self assign an IP address.

In less words, you can have a network with just a wireless router and no cable, but you can't have a network with only a cable and no router (well, you can't with 'normal people' devices)(also you don't need a router for a local network, only a switch - but the home versions are often combo devices and just called a router).

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IndustryStandard 15 points 18 days ago

The Wifi cabal is blocking phones with RJ45 poets.

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hansolo 14 points 18 days ago

I'm an RJ45 poet, and didn't knowet.

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18107 7 points 18 days ago

I've used a Framework Ethernet card with my phone to give mobile data to my router when my home internet went down.

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IndustryStandard 6 points 18 days ago

Plug the phone directly into your laptop using USB. Reject RJ45. Embrace UART.

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Damage 3 points 18 days ago

Many routers also support this, I did this with my Mikrotik Hex S.

Faster than using the hotspot as well

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pianoplant 4 points 18 days ago

It makes sense this would work (at least on Android lol) but it never occurred to me. So thanks for sharing!

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Malica 13 points 18 days ago

$350? Since when? My piece of shit was north of $750

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The_Picard_Maneuver 20 points 18 days ago

That thing better have SO many spikes for that price.

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RizzRustbolt 13 points 18 days ago

My router:

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Malica 4 points 18 days ago

It's pretty great but yeah, that's a lot

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modus 5 points 18 days ago

Wtf did you buy? You could have gotten a wired router with a couple of access points for that.

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Malica 2 points 18 days ago

Tp-link 🤷

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grue 3 points 18 days ago

I have a TP-Link router (with the wifi shut off) and three TP-Link PoE access points, and I still paid much less than that for the entire setup including cable to wire my house.

TP-Link is supposed to be the cheap alternative, FFS!

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Damage 0 points 18 days ago

You can buy infrastructure level stuff for that money

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daddycool 12 points 18 days ago

I don't understand. Who thinks these are comparable?

They serve very different purposes.

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unexposedhazard 10 points 18 days ago

Whaaaat? No waaayy. Jokes on da internet?

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daddycool 1 point 18 days ago

Aren't jokes meant to be funny?

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unexposedhazard 1 point 18 days ago

I mean humor is subjective, but even measured objectively 800 people found it funny enough to upvote it, so it cant be that unfunny.

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nuko147 11 points 18 days ago

Btw, dafaq with router prices? Do they think they sell laptops?

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imetators 12 points 18 days ago

Still a computer. And quite integral one. If it doesn't work, your internet and all devices that connects to it won't work. This is a device that has to work 24/7 and produce 0 issues at any time ad long ad it works. Higher end ones also have quite a bunch of useful settings and customization options. A normie might not need them, but a power user would appreciate these settings and how reliable this router is.

But for 750 that is overkill.

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nuko147 1 point 18 days ago

Their prices have doubled the last decade. I mean relax guys, you sell routers...

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imetators 1 point 18 days ago

Not a Router seller. Just a power user that had an experience with cheap tp-link/d-link crap and more expensive routers.

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PantaloonMonsoon 8 points 18 days ago

Because the stupid administration put bullshit arbitrary rules on routers the remaining ones are in short supply.

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Zanathos 4 points 18 days ago

Compounded that 2.5gb is the norm now with wifi7. Consumer routers with 2.5 were inflated to being with last I checked and I have no idea what they cost now.

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nuko147 1 point 18 days ago

Nah here in Europe its the same shit. A 100-120€ router a few years ago might cost 200€ today. Top tiers are also doubled in price.

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PantaloonMonsoon 1 point 18 days ago

The AI induced everything shortage certainly doesn't help.

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Feidry 5 points 18 days ago

They are computers, more or less. Very specific and controlled computers, with only exactly what they need to do their job. Mostly anyways.

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henfredemars 2 points 18 days ago

Have you seen current laptop prices? It’s wack.

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adarza 1 point 18 days ago

walmart here just closed-out a ton of laptops to 'make room' for the holiday garbage.. really cheap.. and they weren't the 4gb junk either. most had 8gb, some had 16gb ram+1tb nvme. started at <$100 and nothing with integrated graphics was more than $300. the last one with discrete graphics was already in someone's cart when i got there.

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ZkhqrD5o 9 points 18 days ago

More spikes = more internet, duh.

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MonkeMischief 2 points 18 days ago

If we put more spikes on the router, maybe there will be less spikes on the ping graph. 🤔

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PantaloonMonsoon 8 points 18 days ago

If you want to come to my house and run cable feel free.

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anarchy79 9 points 18 days ago

Is that a euphemism?

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PantaloonMonsoon 6 points 18 days ago

I'm open to both interpretations!

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LifeInMultipleChoice 2 points 18 days ago

What's the difference between jam or jelly you ask? You can't jelly that cabling in there ... Wait a second. This joke doesn't work either way

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SCmSTR 2 points 18 days ago

Aww, not quite big enough to lay pipe? :3

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yesman 8 points 18 days ago

Cable may be cheap and easy, running it isn't.

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RedIce25 8 points 18 days ago

Both a good router and wired where possible

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pedz 8 points 18 days ago

It depends on the conditions Cables are always the winner, but I have an off grid cabin that has very poor cell reception. I usually end up getting less than 2 Mbps.

But my parents live about 400 meters away and have FTTH, in the countryside, because of a local cooperative.

I looked for using a fibre but it would cost several hundred dollars to have one that resists outdoor conditions in Quebec for a few years. So I settled for Wi-Fi. I get 10 Mbps with the two repeaters and very basic antenna alignment, which is better than 2.

I'd really like to use a cable but I'm only there a few weeks a year, so this works ok.

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Blaster_M 5 points 18 days ago

One setup is like this for me... And the answer is stupid but it works. Apart from using Unifi dish antennas, it was using outdoor self-bury cable and a series of self-powering outdoor PoE repeaters. Bury the whole thing and you can get Ethernet out there no problem. All you need is enough power via a PoE switch or injector to power the chain.

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pedz 3 points 18 days ago

I thought about Ethernet but apparently the run is too long, even with repeaters. It will probably not have enough power. It's also a few hundred dollars for 400 meters of direct burial Ethernet cable, without counting the injectors and repeaters.

And most importantly, I wonder how the equipment would fare during winter when the ground is frozen solid for several months.

But maybe my fear of a few -25°C days is not justified, as I already left a Raspberry Pi in a barn with those temperatures, and it did fine. I'd have to check the temperature operating range for the equipment I use.

That's why in the end, if I have to use a cable, I was leaning towards direct burial fibre, as it can easily cover that distance without messing with PoE on long runs, would "only" cost a few hundred dollars more, and avoid the need to try to protect the repeaters/switches.

I'm still curious though, so I guess I could just try it for fun with a cheap Ethernet cable run for a summer, then see if it's really worth investing a bit more for the future.

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 2 points 18 days ago

I'm not a cable tech, but if I were laying my own I'd think running it through some pvc could not only make the cables more resistant but make the whole build way more expensive

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OozingPositron 7 points 18 days ago

Why the fuck do they join the cables that need to go separated into the connector? Setting these up is a pain in the ass.

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historicaldocuments 8 points 18 days ago

The "twisted pair" part of it makes it work like coax at the frequencies it uses unless you bend it too much.

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shneancy 6 points 17 days ago

i love cables, cables are the best thing, give me snakey boy, give me wired headphones, give me wired keyboard and mice

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A_norny_mousse 5 points 18 days ago

Appreciate the discussion, but I just need to say it:

This router looks like the cybertruck, in every way.

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raven55six 5 points 18 days ago

None of them are as cheap as mentioned in the post. But the snakey boi wins easy. The spiky boi is good if you wanna connect multiple devices and WiFi based file sharing in ecosystem setups. But the snakey boi has no dropping WiFi packets issues because it is simply internet plugged into your computer. Plus, WiFi travels through your walls the way it wants. Snakey boi travels through your walls the way you drill the holes to pass the cable. So, snakey boi wins always!

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nonentity 3 points 17 days ago

Wireless data links should be the exclusive domain of temporary, nomadic and/or sacrificial links.

If the channel is permanent, static, or critical; as much of the path as practicable should be provisioned with constrained energy transmission.

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csolisr 3 points 18 days ago

The biggest enemy of snakey boi is, no joke, the landlords - who will probably reject your attempt at drilling a hole to pass the cable through.

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Salamanderwizard 4 points 18 days ago

Mine is the cats attacking it.

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ChicoSuave 3 points 18 days ago

Having had both that RT-5300 and Ethernet, they both have problems.

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kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E 3 points 18 days ago

thanks for reminding, I need an external antenna in my basement..

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Daft_ish 2 points 18 days ago

Snakes freak me out. I take spider bro.

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myyass 2 points 18 days ago

It's still nice to have a competent router though. Why not both? Also shield your cables!

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LittleBorat3 2 points 18 days ago

Snake boy is better until the clip breaks off

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