It's important to document their behavior anyway, because not al places block ml.

I knew that lemmy.ml is tankies, but removing comments/posts that don't serve their agenda is new to me.

Im glad youre taking the steps to enjoy lemmy your way. Take care stranger.

There used to be several of such posts, in this very community iirc, though most ended up being removed for whatever reason, sometimes after being locked for toxicity in the comment section.

Particularly when those "try a Threadiverse instance at 'random'" websites send people to Lemmy.ml (the main one sends people to either Lemmy.ml or hexbear.net ~90% of the time - btw that is not hyperbole, try it and see), people who joined here truly will not be made aware until after they arrive and almost inevitably find out the hard way.

I believe this is the secondary reason (after overall lack of content) that Lemmy's active user community is not growing even as Reddit continues to degrade.

Was anyone hiding being a "tankie"? I mean I don't really use the term I just call it Marxist-Leninist but if that's what you want to call it I'm fine with that. I mean I'm clearly not trying to hide my political views if you look at my username. Not sure what you needed "evidence" for. But more power to ya i guess.

People need to start realizing that users like you are flamebaiting to get banned and then make hate threads about .ml

You spout right wing propaganda while insulting users and then whine about "tankies" when you get banned.

Not only that but they explicitly said years ago that they WANTED someone to go make a liberal instance for liberals to use and do their own thing. Which is what happened. Yet people continue to throw a fit that .ml maintains its policies. The entire point of lemmy is that you can choose the instance that works best for you! The entire reason many of the original people came to lemmy was that reddit banned Marxist-Leninist (what you would call "tankie") communities. And even many just vaguely leftist spaces. So people made their own thing where no one person controls what is allowed and what isn't. That's what federation is all about. If you don't like that there are instances that disagree with you on a fundamental level and ban you for your opinions then you don't actually understand what the point of federation is to begin with. I mean ML is in the name. What did you expect?

(edit to clarify I'm asking the OP not the commenter I am agreeing with the commenter.)

What is lemmy.ml?

Recently there seems to be some of misunderstanding what the lemmy.ml instance is about, especially from newer users.

Lemmy.ml has always been a niche site, and it will most likely stay this way. We don’t have any intentions to turn it into a mainstream instance, or set a goal of getting as many users as possible. Our goal is simple: make an instance that people like to use. I would say that we have been successful in this, but obviously it is impossible to satisfy everyone.

The reason for this is that @dessalines and I are paid to develop Lemmy, while donations from lemmy.ml users only make up a negligible part of our income. Besides, having more users would force us to spend more time moderating, and less time for development. Lemmy works quite differently from big tech sites like Reddit in this regard: while they get more money with each extra user through advertising, for us it is the opposite. So we would much rather have a smaller, non-toxic, and friendly userbase, than a large one.

Part of the problem might be that lemmy.ml is described as “flagship instance”, which can certainly be interpreted to mean “mainstream” or “general purpose”. I struggle to come up with a better, more accurate description. If you can think of one, please comment here.

If you dont like the way lemmy.ml works, thats okay. Federation exists exactly to solve that problem, let different groups have their own instances, with their own rules and political views. You can see the list of existing instances, and instructions for setting up a new one on join-lemmy.org.

In particular, I would like to see someone (or a group of people) create a mainstream, or liberal instance. That should help to avoid further drama, and avoid attempts to turn lemmy.ml into something that it is not. @dessalines and I would certainly be willing to help with any technical problems that such an instance runs into, and include it on join-lemmy.org (just like any other instance that meets the code of conduct).

Not from Voyager iirc, which also iirc is by far the most used third party app? Also, for multiple years that what is Lemmy.ml link did not work - it pointed to a post, which I think a later version of Lemmy.ml allowed communities to be made private, and then they never bothered to check what would happen for anyone not logged into a ML account, so it would just give like a 404 not found error for everyone else.

Agreed that it's not impossible to find out who they are - just that ML makes an exceedingly poor representation of the Threadiverse to people coming over here from Reddit. So when they see "death to the USA", and they are... you know, in the USA, they often nope right out and not only never come back, they spread the word to anyone who will listen that that is what "we" here who use Lemmy are.

Btw, in case you were not aware, we are a tankie bar (see: Paradox of Intolerance).

Also, despite all the curation they perform within their garden, they won't allow people to block the Lemmy.ml instance - so it's not entirely a walled garden so much as it is a delivery system for the messages shared by Lemmy.ml users.

I do want to thank them for vaccinating me from their ideology. Interacting with them made me realize that I'm a social democrat and not a full blown socialist

Which one do you have a problem with? The first rule?

My opinion is that geneva_convenience has been going off the deep end, getting worse and worse lately, and definitely should be removed as a mod, honestly just banned. He's an edgelord who's taking things to unreasonable extremes and trying to pick fights with everyone.

That's nothing unusual for a user who excused pedophilia and posted a fascist dogwhistle.

Geneva is more of a radlib and Bad Empanada stan than a principled communist. 80% of what they post is decent to good, and a solid 20% is horrendous.

Thanks, I will check

can someone explain why the .ml people hate piefed so much?

Yep. I highly suggest anyone with a beef against these wannabe-communist douchebags post your stories there.

I had one .ml mod delete a comment of mine because I listed events that disagreed with them minimizing the horrors of 1986 republicans. They stated your average '86 republican was further left than 2026 average dem. So I blocked that mod and that channel.

So I guess .ml are apologists for the '86 gop now?

Why do you need the admin of your server to manage your block list for you? Perhaps youre unsure of how to take personal responsibility of your own lemmy account. Dont worry stranger, I got your back.

Welcome to a tutorial on how to block .ml on your personal account.

In the top right corner of the top of the page, there are 3 horizontal white bars. Click it.

This will open up a drop down menu. At the bottom of that menu, you will see your username. Click it.

This will open another drop down menu with 3 options. Click "Settings".

At the top of your screen you will see 2 tabs. Click the one that says "Blocks".

Here you will see "Block user" "Block community" and "Block instance". Click the down arrow below "Block instance".

This will open up a search bar. Type "lemmy.ml" and click it after it shows up. That's it! You've blocked .ml and will never see content from the instance.

But wait, we aren't done yet in this menu. Click the down arrow under "Block user". Now type "UltraGiGaGigantic" Make sure you select my .ml account as the other ones I no longer use. Thanks, appreciate it.

the obsession with china and russia is very strange, these people obviously never lived there or had parents that did. funny thing how they rail on the west, but they were born and grew up in the west, and living a safe country.

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"Overtly negative on anything from the West" lol.

Make sure you vote blue no matter who, lol.

No, many people know this; but there are virgin minds born every day. Consider XKCD's classic Ten Thousand. Part of the vigilance means doing the documentation, and on a social media platform, that means periodic updates as content. Few people take up arms on a fight that nobody can see.

This person is doing good work 😋, even if the conclusion is unsurprising.

Tbf, I knew it was infested with tankies, but I didn't know it was by design until now

Oh no, what have you done with the twelfth gandalf?!

Be the change you want to see in this world. Make your own instance and defederate.

Telling on yourself loudly

Need... more... pixels....

If youre viewing posts and comments on .ml, youre actually in our house not yours.

Counterpoint - if we were on .ML these people would be blocked - they're exercising their freedom.

We're not on Reddit, Facebook, or X and you'll find whole communities of haters for those sites, too.

Believe it or not, negativity tends to spread further than positivity in general as we are a risk-averse species, and it's one of the documented harms of social media in general. You're probably gonna find some version of this style of bitching no matter where ya go, it's a human thing.

Finally, based .world

I share this to raise awareness, I can block the instance entirely! the more people see their abuse, the better for public awareness. If you don't like this post, just downvote it or block my account,so you will not see anything like this again!

The issue is you can block the .ml instance, but not their users from bleeding into other instances. On top of that .ml is a default instance, and a lot of the times trying to get people to join the fediverse, the first thing I hear from them is, no thanks it's filled with tankies.

Basically it'd be like trying to get people to join truth social because there are sane people on it but you've got maga and the orange shit turd posting crazy shit on it. Lemmy has a stain attached to it in the form of two tankie devs and a tankie instance they run.

I share this to raise awareness; The more people see their abuse, the better for public awareness

Yeah. But .ml douchebacs still come to other instances to run their Putin-sucking mouths. It’s like whack-a-mole trying to block them all.

well, lemmy.ml has a significant userbase acting as "tankies", and in turn other instances are overly suspicious of anyone from ml, but I can't blame them for that. the "tankies" they speak about just make new accounts when they find out people started blocking them. It's such a shame that new users mostly end up on ml. the devs are enjoying that they can use it to spread their politics, and make controversy in the fediverse.

Did you randomly join Lemmy.ml without knowing what it was? If so, that sucks. If you’re not too attached to your account, you could just create a new one on Lemmy.today or something and be rid of the ml baggage.

Pretty sure he’s under the delusion it’ll blow over and be forgotten. Now he posts as Kirk on startrek.website.

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They aren't truly communists. They are leftist MAGA. Russia, China, and North Korea are nowhere close to either communist or socialist.

Correct about the deranged part tho - no notes there.

Problem is it takes infinity research to call out some of this stuff, and they can usually weasel into some stupid word games, like "tankie just means communist!"

I am seeing your comment from the future??

the yandex datacenters getting hit, must be freaking them out right about now.

Let's normalize shaming and shunning individuals, like geneva_convenience in this example, over ridiculing an entire community.

and they will just nake a new account when they realize people are blocking them.

Communities are not monolithic.

Communities have moderation policies, and they have the power to discourage such behavior. if a community does not act against it, they are accepting it.

Any community that accepts fascism among it's ranks is fascist.

Fascism is a more specific than that and education around this topic is sorely lacking, we shouldn't muddy the waters further.

So you went into a community, you made a bunch of posts that are literally against the rules of the community and frankly the tone of the posts are antithetical to the point of the community. It's called late stage capitalism. What did you think they thought?

This is straight up troll Behavior. I would have banned you too.

This literally just happened to me in the memes instance of .ml

I mean these people are incredibly stupid but I probably also would've given a temp ban (but I also probably would've banned the people saying "both sides!!!"). That community is there to moan about capitalism's failings, and your posts didn't really fit there. It's like going into a support group for women and saying men also have these problems, even if you're right these people feel like they've been failed by the system so you have to take a softer tone.

I think there is only one lemmy.ml instance, any community@lemmy.ml is a community on that one instance. But pretty much yeah.

And every user from that instance. Let them preach to their own choir. None of us need to hear that shit.

What the person said above is true though. None ever got to statelessness like Marx intended. If you ban the truth because that same truth is used by people that also say things that are not true, you're really no better than they are. That being said, I feel most US propaganda is just "socialism is communism and that is bad." Most of the time they can't even define socialism or communism. But if you just ban everyone that has a different opinion or wants to just have a discussion about what the best approach is, you've created an authoritarian instance anyway and pretty much exemplify the biggest issue everyone has with states that have tried communism. Sets a really bad precedent.

In the world i live in, this isnt right wing propaganda. Here right wing propaganda is that the defaults of those states are defaults of communism, and what i understand from this comments corresponds to what i hear anarchist and libertaires saying : that the default of those states were due to authoritarianism rather than communism, because they were implementing only socialism at their very best.

Maybe it's a cultural difference then, but there are some place on earth where criticizing authoritarian states isnt necessarily right or left wing.

"Right Wing Propaganda" for a Stalinist ML sure, but pretty much every other left wing strain of thought has some grievances with these countries. At best you can call this leftist infighting

The communist regimes were all set upon to the point where authoritarians took over, and never gave it up. It's not a rebuke of communism that cuba wasn't a utopia, with the US on it's ass.

That said, I think a mixed socialism capitalism society could work best, but with strict 1950 style controls, taxing the rich 90% on obscene profits and all that. Enforcing anti trust laws, and so forth. Not doing those is not capitalism, it's crony capitalism/oligarchy.

The thing is, they should debunk my claims. It would be good for others to see that I’m wrong, Tankies are right. But removing comments or posts actually proves they’re just like their governments, Russia and China. You know Putin doesn’t tolerate criticism—Alexei Navalny was a dissident, and he ended up dead in prison. These tankies are the online version of them.

anti-zionists and anti-Westerners can publish videos on YouTube, and rarely do they get deleted.

By the way, I am not capitalist or right-wing. But it doesn't mean I will support their empty communism, which just produces authoritarian regimes.

shame we can't block all the users of the instance too.

So embarrassing that you follow every negative .ml post and comment this same comment on every one. What a fuckin loser lol

Why are you still here? Go home.

Since there's no way to stop someone from just opening another account elsewhere, blocking the entire thing would just scatter them like smashing one roach will scatter the others.

"after hitler our turn" was bad

get mad

mad because bad

Lol I love the lopsidedness of it all though.

Stalin allies with the Nazis and agrees to split Poland kicking off the whole shebang. Gets betrayed and goes scorched earth.

The west didn't ask for war, avoided it, then blamed for not going scorched earth

Typical tankies,pro-Russian propagandists. All my comments get deleted. These propagandists mix truths with false information to make it easier to spread their propaganda

Now you whine about it here.

This is how you defend your claim. I share this to raise awareness; the more people see lemmy.ml abuse, the better for public awareness.

Nah, they're tankies, they have an agenda.

blocking an entire instance

Don't worry, I already have lol.

Haven't seen a single .ml post in months, I no longer need to see posts arguing:

• the Uyghur's aren't being genocided

• uncle Kim's totally communist state do not punish entire families for an individuals crimes

• Hamas are misunderstood freedom fighters.

I get banned from the instance too. Can I community-ban from the entire instance? No? Ban reason is in the same post

I didn't see any comment removal on lemmy. world for criticising a politician or a country. I criticize everything, including mine, when needed. But Lemmy.ml doesn't tolerate any criticism. Yes, f lemmy.world admins acted like Lemmy.ml admins; I would defederate.

.world loves feudposting though. They keep making alt accounts to call everyone tankies and Russian propagandists on .ml and then make posts like this when they get banned for insulting users.

what do you think of ukraine and poland

That's an awful long-winded way to say that you have no idea wtf you're talking about.

Thank you to all geo-politically educated mods on all instances, for keeping my feeds relatively free of US/western propagandist echo-chamber warriors.

You'd think inside your own echo chamber you'd be able to hear yourself.

No you see, they simultaneously know that their own media and government cannot be trusted at all, yet everything they say about China and Russia is 100% true!!!

Applying this same logic, why did you bother to write your comment?

If you did not like the post, you could have continued to scroll onwards without further interaction... as you propose that OP do.

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I share this to raise awareness; the more people see their abuse, the better for public awareness.

Buddy, that instance is run by the Lemmy devs. I agree, but I also think we're cooked.

Racism: The only bad thing a human can do.

They're literally defending imperialist nations that tread human, and particularly LGBTQ+ rights with their feet.

Anyone who is pro Russia is anti LGBTQ+ and pro Imperialism.

Start irrelevant, tankies