Or we could do metric time

2 years ago by Gork to c/science_memes

RegalPotoo 150 points 2 years ago

As a software dev who has lost weeks of his life dealing with timezones, leap days, daylight savings time, date math and other associated nonsense I fully support this being the way the world is. I don't want to go through the transition to get there though

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lugal 77 points 2 years ago

Bad news: this has nothing to do with timezones, leap days nor daylight saving time. Honestly, leap days would be worse because they wouldn't be part of the 7 day week

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rockSlayer 30 points 2 years ago

It's accounted for just like any other leap year, add it to the end of a month as a universal holiday. Most calendar models make it July 29. It's also worth noting that this is actually 364 days, and a single day at the end of the year is a universal holiday.

Edit: I think leap years should be at the end of the year too for simplicity.

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Flipper 12 points 2 years ago

That would just be new year. I've already have a list ready for how to name all the months, so we don't fuck it up like September being the 9. Month again.

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LeftHandedWave 4 points 2 years ago

Ooh, tell me what the names would be! Don't leave me hanging. I HATE that September - December are all off.

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lugal 0 points 2 years ago

Which breaks "day of week = day modulo 7" if every month starts on Monday and not every month has the same number of days

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ElderWendigo 14 points 2 years ago

In this scheme, new years day and leap days are not any day of the week or part of any month. They exist outside of the regular calendar as obvious and explicit resets to the remainder problem.

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grue 7 points 2 years ago

Look, short of changing Earth's orbit, something's not gonna line up no matter what you do. Extra-weekly days are as good a compromise as any in my book.

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sukhmel 3 points 2 years ago

Leap day and new year day are supposed to not be a week day in this system

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MalReynolds 11 points 2 years ago

Just make them holidays, everyone works too much anyway, and it's just getting worse for no reason.

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ColeSloth 1 point 2 years ago

Leap day gets it's own name outside of saturday through sunday. It's an all awesome holiday.

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lugal 0 points 2 years ago

... which fucks with the way the day of the week is calculated by computers as I already explained others

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ColeSloth 1 point 2 years ago

Y2k was handled. This can be too.

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scrubbles 13 points 2 years ago

Developers are the only people against DST changes, just because of how complex it will get. Dear God cities are removing DST! Cities! It means I need to know if you are in or out of a city to know if you need to be shown daylight or standard time!

Just please do it nationally yes or no

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ryannathans 23 points 2 years ago

Write everything in UTC, cast to local time zone for UIs

Life problems solved

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ulterno 3 points 2 years ago

That's essentially what I did in my recent UI that I made for someone.

  • You want to insert date time
  • Select method: UTC, Time Zone, offset from GMT
  • Enter time
  • I convert it to UTC and send to backend
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MotoAsh 2 points 2 years ago
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ryannathans 1 point 2 years ago

.localtime(utctime)

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grue 6 points 2 years ago

Dear God cities are removing DST! Cities! It means I need to know if you are in or out of a city to know if you need to be shown daylight or standard time!

That's why it's lucky that identifiers in the tz database are already things like America/New_York instead of "eastern time."

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Albbi 1 point 2 years ago

Newfoundland has only just over 500k population and has a nice GMT-2:30 time zone. That's an extra half hour difference. Many cities are larger so I can see them wanting better time for themselves.

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capital 3 points 2 years ago

Ugh. Any time I need to set up a meeting for IST.

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ben_dover 2 points 2 years ago

thank you for your service, i usually resort to libraries doing the heavy lifting but even then it's tough and prone to error

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Bishma 58 points 2 years ago

A lunar day is 27.3 days and a solar cycle is 29 and change. So we'd be just off the lunar cycles. Like when you're sitting waiting for a turn lane signal to change and the person in front of you has a blinker that's just a tiny bit slower than yours.

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MBM 22 points 2 years ago

Yeah sadly the rotations of Earth around its axis, the moon around Earth, and Earth around the sun don't divide each other nicely

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HonoraryMancunian 17 points 2 years ago

Why would god do this

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brbposting 4 points 2 years ago

The Lord works in DSTsterious ways

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Spzi 1 point 2 years ago

Eventually, things settle at almost perfect ratios. Everything between creates some kind of friction.

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Mubelotix 52 points 2 years ago

France tried such calendar in 1789 and 1871. We lost it when Jules Ferry executed all the communalists in Paris. Some people in France still use those calendars to show their support to revolutionary ideas

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AnUnusualRelic 11 points 2 years ago

There are a few websites and twitter accounts that remind you that today is Nonidi, 29 Germinal of the year CCXXXII.

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brbposting 7 points 2 years ago

Picking up a newspaper in Thailand reminds you it’s year 2567

The reckoning of the Buddhist Era in Thailand is 543 years ahead of Anno Domini, so the year 2024 AD corresponds to B.E. 2567.

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Mubelotix 1 point 2 years ago

I own such a website and I can confirm that this date is right. French wikipedia though is wrong as it uses a bad simplication reform that was never voted

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silverchase 48 points 2 years ago

We should divide the year into four suits — one for each season. Each suit is thirteen weeks long, numbered ace to king. Sometimes we have a Joker day.

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skulblaka 7 points 2 years ago

Ah yes, the Balatro calendar. I play a King of Diamonds, which triples the number of days in June and removes October.

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Hupf 44 points 2 years ago path: 0 9480925, hotness: undefined, score: 44, children: 10
Adalast 23 points 2 years ago

I actually had this happen once. My mental health actually improved, but it was untenable for my job and social life unfortunately. It was kinda nice for a couple months though.

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sukhmel 7 points 2 years ago

Afaik, the effect depends on if you have unusual circadian rhythm or not

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Adalast 20 points 2 years ago

Yeah, I noticed my rythem in absence of anything teathering it to the socially acceptable world is about 28 hours. Weird that I am not alone in this apparently.

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Dicska 6 points 2 years ago

There's dozens of us. Dozens!

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Swedneck 5 points 2 years ago

i'm pretty confident it's an evolutionary adaption to ensure there are people in the tribe that are wide awake when others are sleeping, to keep an eye on things.

same thing with neurodivergence, sexualities, and left-handedness; it's all stuff that's been boosting our survival as a species when a portion of the population has those differences.

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MotoAsh 2 points 2 years ago
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ThePyroPython 44 points 2 years ago

But how would the corporate world divide the 13 month year into quarters? Don't you know what that'll do to the bottom line?! Think of the poor shareholders! /s

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NegativeInf 38 points 2 years ago

We dine on the rich during month 13.

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SlopppyEngineer 24 points 2 years ago

The solution to that is having 12 months of 4 weeks each, and one week of solstice every 3 months. One quarter then is 13 weeks in total. That makes it so each quarter perfectly matches a season and keeps it all in sync with solar time. In the ideal case you also match the school holidays to the solstice, and the winter solstice includes new year's day and leap day, making it just a bit longer for Christmas holidays.

Yes, I've given this a bit too much thought.

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CileTheSane 2 points 2 years ago

I'd put leap day with the Summer Solstice, split up the extra days.

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Flax_vert 22 points 2 years ago

3 months and one week. Simples!

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Philippe23 10 points 2 years ago

Kodak used this calendar for 60 years. The company's decline started within a decade of abandoning the calendar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/...

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kameecoding 3 points 2 years ago

3 months 1 week?

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TheGrandNagus 1 point 2 years ago

Split it to 3 months as is now, then the remainder is 28 days. 28 is divisible by 4 to leave 7.

Q1 ends 1 week into April, Q2 ends 2 weeks into June, etc.

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realitista 43 points 2 years ago

28*13=364

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cori 59 points 2 years ago

New years day is always a holiday that doesn't fall on any other day of the calendar. It's just kind of its own thing. No idea how that would actually work irl but that is usually how this proposal is explained.

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watersnipje 55 points 2 years ago

As a software engineer, I beg of you

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maynarkh 24 points 2 years ago

We just shut down the servers for one day a year and reboot all of them. How hard can it be?

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watersnipje 7 points 2 years ago

Ok, and we just don’t process any of the data from that day, ever?

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KamikazeRusher 4 points 2 years ago

Network switches with over 10 years of uptime chuckle nervously

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mexicancartel 7 points 2 years ago

Just invent 0. Array starts from 0 so can new year

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watersnipje 5 points 2 years ago

Zero Nonuary.

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GBU_28 6 points 2 years ago

You've been given the zeroth place

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Kage520 2 points 2 years ago

And leap year?

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BlackRoseAmongThorns 4 points 2 years ago

Kinda sounds easier to implement tbh, like, right now leap days are in a specific month, but wouldn't it (in addition to a hypothetical new years day) be easier to handle and remember if they are a very explicit part of the calendar system?

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watersnipje 7 points 2 years ago

On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, now there is a day that is not part of a week, or a month. And we have a month and a week that don’t immediately follow after the previous one.

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Denalduh 2 points 2 years ago

You'll also need plan for timezones as well.

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mnemonicmonkeys 37 points 2 years ago

This reminds me of a fantasy series I like, where the world still has 365 day, but every month is 30 days long, and the remaining 5 days are separate holidays for the solstices, equinoxes, and new years.

Also, when are we going to do 10hrs/day, 100 min/hr and 100s/min?

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BakerBagel 15 points 2 years ago

Don't decimalize time, instead dozenalize our numbers! Twelve is such a better building block than ten. Pretty much all math becomes way easier using dozenal numbers instead of decimal ones.

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OozingPositron 5 points 2 years ago

With base 12 you can actually get a result for 1/3

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mnemonicmonkeys 11 points 2 years ago

But not for 1/5

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kaityy 13 points 2 years ago

Big Decimal has brainwashed the population into thinking that 5 is a good number instead of the terrible prime number that it is. It should be clumped in with 7 and 11 as Bad Numbers when you're dealing with anything except for 10s.

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Moobythegoldensock 11 points 2 years ago

Yes, but having 2, 3, 4, 6 as factors is way better than having only 2 and 5. We’d be giving up one factor to add three.

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zalgotext 14 points 2 years ago

Also, when are we going to do 10hrs/day, 100 min/hr and 100s/min?

This is how you collectively give the entire scientific community a simultaneous aneurysm. The amount of work needed to convert measurements based on our current seconds/minutes/hours to your "metric" seconds/minutes/hours would be astronomical.

Also, pretty much everyone already agrees on the current system of time, so why change it? It would just create another metric/imperial or F/C divide and cause conversion mistakes.

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SapphironZA 4 points 2 years ago

I think we are due another Y2K legacy system replacement global project.

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Gondolaaaa 2 points 2 years ago

It would add another level to time conversion between timezones

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Sconrad122 12 points 2 years ago

Oh god, converting imperial kHz to metric kHz sounds awful

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mnemonicmonkeys 1 point 2 years ago

Mwahahaha!

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ChairmanMeow 9 points 2 years ago

The 24h cycle with subdivisions in 60 is easy for dividing them up though. 60 divides by 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 12, 15, 20 and 30.

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HubertManne 4 points 2 years ago

I like this better because if you have to do one holiday outside of the calendar then why not 5 and the equinoxes and solsctices divide it up perfectly. Then everything else is nice and even. I assume weeks were six days long as that is how I always thought of it. 5 six day weeks.

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mnemonicmonkeys 1 point 2 years ago

Apparently in the series it's 6 5-day weeks. They also didn't have names for the days

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MeDuViNoX 33 points 2 years ago

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ummthatguy 31 points 2 years ago

In preparation for the upcoming Bell Riots, WWIII, Eugenics Wars, First Contact, Battle of Wolf 359, and Dominion Wars, I say we stop beating around the bush and adopt the Bajoran 26 hour day.

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LockheedTheDragon 29 points 2 years ago

I do not want my birthday to fall on the same day of the week each year!

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NewAgeOldPerson -4 points 2 years ago

Seems like a high price to pay just to test who cares enough.

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starman2112 28 points 2 years ago

This post sponsored by your local landlord

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jaschen 1 point 2 years ago

Why would they are? The amount they get a year is still the same amount, just broken up more evenly.

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Zorsith 8 points 2 years ago

Most leases state rent is X per month, not a total per year.

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Buddahriffic 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah but every month would get the February discount. There is a February discount, right?

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ben_dover 5 points 2 years ago
  • Anakin looking sternly
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starman2112 3 points 2 years ago

Oh honey

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01011 27 points 2 years ago

Can we do something about October being the 10th month of the year. It's stupid and annoying.

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meliaesc 26 points 2 years ago

Blame the Caesars, Julius for July and Augustus for August.

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roscoe 16 points 2 years ago

That's a common misconception. For the Romans, the year used to start with March and only have ten months. January and February weren't even named, it was just the time between harvest and the new year. Several calendar changes followed over the centuries. Adding two months (January and February). Moving the new year to January, which made September-December no longer 7-10. Adding random one-off months to realign with the seasons. And a couple different tries at leap days, among other things.

This gives a quick overview.

Edit 2: To clarify, the above changes were all made by the Romans, they only started with a ten month calendar.

Edit: The fifth and sixth months were originally named Quintilis and Sextilis before they were changed to July and August.

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zaphod 2 points 2 years ago

The Romans had twelve months and they even named January and February, it's usually attributed to Numa Pompilius, second king of Rome sometime during his reign (715–672 BC) of the Roman Kingdom.

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roscoe 3 points 2 years ago

All covered in the link. The addition of January and February and later moving the new year from March to January is the reason Sept-Dec are no longer the seventh-tenth months. Not July and August, which were renamings, not additions.

Edit: I suppose my first comment should have specified early Romans. The way I wrote it could be read as all those changes happening after the Romans.

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VindictiveJudge 8 points 2 years ago

I suppose we could fix it by moving the start of the year to March 1st. Start of spring makes more sense for the new year anyway.

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mnemonicmonkeys 3 points 2 years ago

Tbf, the calendar before them was even worse

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s_s 6 points 2 years ago

Start the year on March 1st like it used to be?

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meliante 5 points 2 years ago
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Etterra 20 points 2 years ago

I've actual been saying this for years for this exact reason. God forbid we not be able to divide a year into clean quarters.

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BigBenis 3 points 2 years ago

Three months and one week still seems like a clean quarter to me.

Alternatively, if we really want to stick to the three-month quarter then we could call the extra week of each quarter an off-week or save it all for the 13th month of the year since nothing really gets done during that time anyway.

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Semi_Hemi_Demigod 1 point 2 years ago
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mulcahey 2 points 2 years ago

Surprisingly, one of the only groups to use this calendar IRL was a giant international corporation: Kodak

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bobbytables 19 points 2 years ago

I hate the idea of metric time (for a lot of use cases metric is still awesome).

12 and 60 can be easily divided by 2, 3, 4, 6. 60 also by 5 and 10. Even for 8 it's still kind of easy.

For 10 or 100 division is easy for 2, 5 and 10 and okay-ish for 4.

The 12/60 (and 360 degrees of a circle) are such an elegant system!

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MBM 6 points 2 years ago

We should "just" switch to base-6 (or maybe 12) first

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bobbytables 10 points 2 years ago

AFAIK the system goes back to the old Babylonians who had a base-60 system subdivided into 5 times 12. 5 times 12 could easily be counted using your thumb to count the 12 knuckles on the other fingers and the 5 fingers of the other hand.

I mean, how amazing is counting like that! I only learned to count to 10 with my fingers. I love the base-10 for its simplicity but base-60, subbase-12 is the shit :D

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Emma_Gold_Man 2 points 2 years ago

Even easier and more comfortable - count the pads instead of the knuckles. You can count to 12 with one hand, or 144 with two

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bobbytables 2 points 2 years ago

You are right! English is not my first language and I thought I was talking about the pads. My bad! Yours is the best way!

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HonoraryMancunian 2 points 2 years ago

If only we had 6 digits per hand as standard, basic maths would be so much easier for everyone

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MalReynolds 2 points 2 years ago

We do, base 12 comes from 5 fingers and a fist. It was used by traders for the longest time.

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SanndyTheManndy 3 points 2 years ago

makes sense in a world without much fractions or the decimal system. You want to get the most divisors for your buck.

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bobbytables 4 points 2 years ago

IMHO especially in a setting like time where fractions are very common (like "half an hour"), being able to represent fractions with whole numbers is very convenient.

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xkforce 2 points 2 years ago

Get better at math and theres no problem.

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pseudo 1 point 2 years ago
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doubletwist 19 points 2 years ago

Can we start the 1st on Sunday though so every month has a Friday the 13th?

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Colonel_Panic_ 8 points 2 years ago

This is the real discussion piece. We either always have Friday the 13th or we never do again.

I'm with you for always Friday the 13th.

Plus, never having one again just feels wrong.

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bluewing 19 points 2 years ago

Ah yes, decimalized time. An idea so bad even the French said no, just no after trying it.

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xkforce 10 points 2 years ago

People being afraid of the number 13 doesnt make it a bad idea.

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Typhoonigator 4 points 2 years ago

I believe they're referring to the metric time comment, not the calendar change idea.

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FuglyDuck 17 points 2 years ago

I like it.

But mostly because of all the furor it’ll cause.

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colourednumbers 15 points 2 years ago

You left out one day 28x13 is 364 The alignment to the weekdays is only right every seventh year. Every sixth of you account for leap years.

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404 17 points 2 years ago

That day would be new year's day, not an ordinary day. So those weeks would be

  • Mon-Sun
  • Leap day/international holiday, undated
  • Mon-Sun
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Aurenkin 22 points 2 years ago

Leap day/international holiday, undated

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of developers suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.

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Hildegarde 10 points 2 years ago

The international fixed calendar is basically what's described here. But it adds one day to bring it to 365, that day is called year day, and its an extra day, not a day of the week just a bonus day. Leap years get a second extra day 6 months later.

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Krauerking 11 points 2 years ago

You know what... The more I hear about this calendar the more I like it.

A celebration day that doesn't count... That's neat.

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PhAzE 1 point 2 years ago

A day where you dont work, everything is closed, and you recover from the new years hangover.

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ben_dover 14 points 2 years ago

i'm intrigued, but leap days would fuck it up though

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Typhoonigator 25 points 2 years ago

This meme already ignores the fact that it's only produced a calendar of 364 days.

Most proposed versions I've seen of this calendar have New Year's Day as a standalone holiday, so the leap day presumably tacks on to that every 4 years?

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NeatNit 3 points 2 years ago

Currently, everyone in the world agrees about the days of the week (correct me if I'm wrong). If it's Monday in France it's Monday in Finland, besides a few hours due to timezones. But if a particular society adopts this system you describe, or any system under which every year starts on a particular day of the week and is solar aligned, that necessitates having an incomplete week and losing that sync with the entire rest of the world.

A possible solution is to only use leap weeks. So every year has 364 days, but every 6 years or so (spare me the exact calculation) you track on a leap week to realign with the solar cycle. This is similar to the leap month in the Hebrew calendar - months follow the moon so a leap month is the smallest unit possible to tweak the length of a year.

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Tnaeriv 1 point 2 years ago

You're wrong. For example: some of the country of Kiribati (UTC +14) will never be in the same day of the week as Hawaii (UTC -10).

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NeatNit 1 point 2 years ago

Right, I forgot about that edge case... But at least they agree about a particular date's day of the week, don't they? And they're consistently one day off. This proposed system would be inconsistently off, sometimes in sync and sometimes 3 days off.

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ben_dover 3 points 2 years ago

true I've heard about that, sure why not

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Lifter 1 point 2 years ago

Leap years aren't every four years though, just FYI.

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troglodytis 1 point 2 years ago

0

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dingus 7 points 2 years ago

Also imagine your birthday always being on a Monday...

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MalReynolds 14 points 2 years ago

Just make inconvenient days holidays, few will complain.

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Zehzin 10 points 2 years ago

Software developers hearing we're changing the calendar 💀

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AlligatorBlizzard 6 points 2 years ago

We should all just switch to Unix time.

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Zehzin 4 points 2 years ago

That'll be great for 14 years

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notabot 5 points 2 years ago

Linux has been switching that to 64 bit, applications just need to catch up and use the new call. They've got almost a decade and a half, so I'd hope they'll all be updated, but you know there'll be something subtle and critical that only gets done at the last second.

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HuntressHimbo 2 points 2 years ago

We could inadvertently make 12/31/1969 and 1/1/1970 the most dangerous destination for time travelers, sounds fun to me.

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Mr_Vortex 5 points 2 years ago

International Fixed Calendar? I seem to remember hearing a proposal for the 13th month being called Sol which is kinda cool.

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dragontamer 13 points 2 years ago

The 13th month should be called eleven, because it'd come after December (10), our 12th month.

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Buffman 6 points 2 years ago

The 13^th^ month should be called Smarch!

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PrimeErective 3 points 2 years ago

I like the cut of your jib

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problematicPanther 2 points 2 years ago

i like the cut of his hair.

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Viking_Hippie 1 point 2 years ago

I like his cuts of meat

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oce 1 point 2 years ago

I think December comes from Classical Greek number 10 deka. 11 is enteka. So the next month could be Entecember.

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zaphod 5 points 2 years ago

You really think the world could come to an agreement on which day the week should start? Would be really awkward if a month starts with the second or third day of the week.

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HonoraryMancunian 13 points 2 years ago

Imagine if your birthday was always on Monday

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Hule 9 points 2 years ago

Strong counterargument there!

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cerement 4 points 2 years ago

perennial calendars – specifically leap week calendars (already implemented in the ISO week date calendar) – keeps all the advantages of 28 day months, and the leap week (instead of a leap day) allows for everything to stay lined up and doesn’t interrupt the 7-day week cycle

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uis 4 points 2 years ago

Metric time is TAI

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Adalast 3 points 2 years ago

I have genuinely had exactly this conversation with only the names changed. Multiple times.

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CafecitoHippo 1 point 2 years ago
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The_Mastermind 2 points 2 years ago

Walter is not as smart as jesse sadly never was

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Anticorp 0 points 2 years ago

It sounds like you need a rewatch. Jesse has about a quarter of Walt's intelligence and knowledge, if that.

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The_Mastermind 1 point 2 years ago

Bruh i was talking about all these memes in which jesse is right and walter doesn't understand .

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Anticorp 1 point 2 years ago

Eh, nvm then!

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teft 2 points 2 years ago

Quarters would be weird for businesses so it would never catch on.

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AlligatorBlizzard 3 points 2 years ago

We could all unionize and just take the first month off, set it in the deepest part of winter, January or so, and just set Christmas to be during that month. Although people might not be thrilled to move Christmas to after New Year's.

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flyingjake 1 point 2 years ago

Christmas is already after New Year's in the current calendar year ;)

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TheGrandNagus 2 points 2 years ago

It's not really that hard to have a quarter be 3 months + 1 week tbh.

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teft 3 points 2 years ago

I bow to your lobes in all business matters.

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MrJameGumb 1 point 2 years ago

I fully support this if it means I can take that extra 13th month off to relax

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Flax_vert -4 points 2 years ago

Wouldn't it make sense to have the 1st be a Sunday and 28th be a Saturday?

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JusticeForPorygon 12 points 2 years ago

Iirc most countries consider Monday the beginning of the week and Sunday the end of the week, hence the term "weekend"

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Flax_vert 2 points 2 years ago

TIL, in the UK we seem to see Sunday as the first day of the week, but under ISO it's monday. Interesting.

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JusticeForPorygon 3 points 2 years ago

Looks like the answer has to do with the predominant religion in the area (if any)

Most of Europe and China consider Monday the first day of the (work) week, while North America, Israel, South Asia, and many Catholic and Protestant countries, consider Sunday the first day of the week, while Saturday is judged as the first day of the week in much of the Middle East (Israel excepted) and North Africa due to the Islamic influence.

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Flax_vert 1 point 2 years ago

Monday is the first day of the work week. Seems to be on whether or not you centre your life around work or God 🤣

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watersnipje 1 point 2 years ago

If Sunday is the first day of the week, then which days do you call weekend?

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Flax_vert 0 points 2 years ago

Saturday and su-... Okay you win 🤣

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heleos 7 points 2 years ago

I used to think the same, even made fun of friends and family for setting calendars to start on Monday, but then I tried it and found the light

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Flax_vert 2 points 2 years ago

What's so important about a visual change 🤣

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heleos 3 points 2 years ago

I like having the weekend lumped together, it's called a weekend for a reason!

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