Congrats, you managed to alienate 85% of political financial backers.
GlendatheGayWitch 6 points 3 years ago
The motto of the US is in god we trust, which is why it's on money. It became the motto in the 50s when Christian nationalism became a prominent position, which is the root of the evil that is the gop. The gop would need to be a minority in government in both houses of Congress in order to change the motto, unfortunately.
It's a change that is definitely needed, however the Christian nationalists are controlling the conversation, as was designed by McCarthyism. In TX, schools are required to hang a poster that says the motto if it is donated by a citizen. In the last legislative session, there was also a bill that would have required every classroom to post the ten commandments.
It is going to take an effort to go vote by the populace at large. In 2022, only about 80% of the Voting Age population was registered and of that 80%, only ~46% cast a vote despite the fact that it was a major election. A large portion of the judicial branch, almost all of the executive branch, and the entire legislative branch of TX were up for election and we only got 37% of the Voting Age population to the polls. Even with polls open for at least 9 hours a day the first week of voting and 12 hours the second week and final day of voting. Being the first state to have early voting, it's common knowledge that there is virtually no line during early voting, but we still don't have turnout.
Anyway, on top of needing people to go to the polls, we need a cultural revolution that rejects far-right ideology. McCarthyism purged centrist and left leaning ideology from the country and we are only in the last couple decades starting to see more centrist policies come into play.
Marcy_Stella 2 points 3 years ago
A major problem with voting in this country is that it's not a national holiday, If your working minimum wage you likely can't afford to take the time away from work which means politicians that campaign on a higher wage lose preventing a wage rise creating a loop. The people that are best suited to vote are those that are well off and retired and statistically they lean republican because of people not wanting to help others disadvantaged while seemingly forgetting that they used those programs to get there. People working at minimum wage or even generally low wages and paycheck to paycheck just can't afford the time to vote and their best chances are mail in voting which republicans know, that's why they're pushing so hard against them to make it as inconvenient as possible, because if its easier to vote in person and the people you don't want voting cant vote in person then you just eliminated them from the voting pool by circumstance.
There is also a lack of push for midterms and local elections, the presidential race is very big and public and made a whole spectacle, like you can still remember the 2016 and 2020 elections but be honest with me, what can you remember about the campaigns of the 2018 midterms. The 2022 midterms were basically an exception to the rule because the abortion ruling happened so close and it created such visible lines in the sand but I truly think if the abortion ruling happened in February 2021 not long after Biden got into office the turnout for 2022 midterms wouldn't have had as big of a turnout because it wouldn't have been in the public mind quite as much, the debate on abortions is still big but its mostly shifted to individual states rather than country wide at this point.
GlendatheGayWitch 1 point 3 years ago
I do remember 2018 because it was a huge race in TX with Beto going against Cruz.
I understand that it can be inconvenient, but most people aren't at work from 7 AM-7 PM when the polls are open for an entire week. Some are even open an hour or two later (law allows polls between 6 AM and 10 PM and we should be pushing for those late times). People just don't wake up early or leave for the pills before or after work. I've lived in all the major cities in TX besides San Antonio and have never waited more than 15 minutes to vote. There's a lie going around that it takes forever, when that's only true on the very last day that you can cast a vote. I've seen posts on social media from poll workers saying that there were no lines during early voting at all.
I can understand not making it the first week of voting when they are only open from 8-5, but with some effort, most people should be able to make it when polls are open 7-7.
Should we have mail in voting? Yes. Should we have polls open until 10 PM on weekdays and polls open on the weekend (as already allowed by law)? Yes
We just aren't going to have some other those things until people use the system that's already in place and vote.
MisterFrog 1 point 3 years ago
Could have sworn I was "E Pluribus Unum".
After a quick search I see they changed/never officially adopted it.
Lame, so much cooler!
beholdmyaltaccount 5 points 3 years ago
Lost me at guns, everything else I agree with.
UnicornKitty 14 points 3 years ago
No. In God we trust is on all our money for some stupid reason.
orclev 8 points 3 years ago
It's cold war era propaganda, it's not even that old. There was a belief at the time among certain circles that since the USSR outlawed organized religion that the US needed to embrace organized religion even harder and to drive that point home we should put "In god we trust" on all our money. A lot of the US's current issues can be traced back to cold war propaganda surprisingly. Boomers have been stewing in that garbage their entire lives and it rotted their brains to the point where you can reduce them to frothing incoherent rage by just saying "socialism" around them.
RaoulDook 10 points 3 years ago
Did you read about the process to change Amendments? Do you think there's any chance that 3/4 of the 50 states in the USA would ever vote in agreement to abolish their own right to bear arms? I'm confident enough that will not happen that I will bet you $5000 that it does not happen in the next 30 years.
Piecemakers3Dprints 8 points 3 years ago
!RemindMe 30 years
Snekeyes 0 points 3 years ago
27 times already. I'd say the math works. The Repubeicans are at their end. This is their last kicks. They know the world is changing and they are not in favor. That's why they have the corrupt syrpeme court in a attempt to get in what the minority wants.
AProfessional 3 points 3 years ago
Modern US currency is somewhat colorful.
deadsenator 3 points 3 years ago
I love using cash. I feel like I am thwarting The System since it keeps pressuring me to use credit cards or some other form of electronic currency. I mean I use some of those too when necessary, but I use cash whenever possible.
Meowoem -1 points 3 years ago
It amazes me how far behind America is simply because they hate poor people so much, passing regulation to ensure people have fee free access to banking services? Same answer as anything 'nope, fuck the poor' it's crazy too because it's greed of people saying 'why should they get something for nothing!!!' but everything to do with banking is more expensive and worse in the US, even cash machines charge a couple of dollars to get your money.
I think tipping culture is a weird social hierarchy thing too, like people love to feel like they're a higher strata then their server plus have that control over them 'your wages are in my hands, peasant, now serve me like the lord of the manor!' everywhere else there's a camaraderie with workers and I think it feels a lot nicer, the waiter isn't trying to upsell or get into your graces to earn a dirty penny they're just doing their job and interacting with you on a fundamentally human level.
Imgonnatrythis 1 point 3 years ago
The first and the last bullets are never going to change sadly. Tipping is only on the increase, guns are just like an inherent part of America now - kids are getting slaughtered by them daily and it's just like normal. Gun control is a laughable proposal in the US. If it hasn't changed with all the reasons to change, it's not going to. SUVs are actually becoming MORE popular. Healthcare is fucked.
dustojnikhummer -1 points 3 years ago
I agree with you except the weapons.
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Thorny_Thicket -36 points 3 years ago
Agreed, though keep your filthy fingers off my gas guzzler
Edit: people calm down. I'm just joking - it's actually a diesel
los_chill -46 points 3 years ago
Tipping isn't bad. Being underpaid is bad. If we as consumers want to add a little more for good service, I don't see a problem.
Make dollar coins a thing again.
Remove presidents too.
Guns are for weak people. 100% of gun owners I know are massive cowards. Tell your friends. If we can't get legislation, maybe we can change the culture. SUVs are fine, it's the massive pickup trucks that are getting out of hand. Give us the Hilux already, and make it electric. Healthcare should be universal and single-payer. End the health insurance industry.
We are trying...
Edit: Please tell me why you disagree, don't just downvote me. Downvote is not a "disagree" button. I'm just trying to share my thoughts the best I can.
Amilo159 42 points 3 years ago
Tipping had devolved from customers saying "I'll give something extra for extra service" to restaurants saying "since you pay for the food, why don't you pay for the staff too?"
Only real way to get rid of this culture is to ban it to start. Workers need to demand living wages at the same time as ban comes into effect.
diyrebel -4 points 3 years ago
Only real way to get rid of this culture is to ban it to start.
A ban would be a bit extreme. Is tipping banned anywhere?
For me, the fix is to establish a fixed tip like some parts of Europe used to have. E.g. $1—2 per person for good service regardless of bill. This would accomplish two things:
- The tip cannot be an income supplement (thus wages increase if the resto wants to have staff)
- There is still a quality control signal in place
Tipping isn’t bad. Being underpaid is bad. If we as consumers want to add a little more for good service, I don’t see a problem.
The two are at odds with each other; that’s the problem.
4am -8 points 3 years ago
I think in this case, "banned" is referring to "paying workers below minimum hourly wage because they're expected to make up the difference by convincing our patrons to generously donate +20% of their dinner bill", not "citizens will be fined/incarcerated if they give someone money of their own free will"
Iron_Lynx 14 points 3 years ago
- Tipping is bad, since it has been taken to the logical extreme of making the customer directly responsible for paying staff, instead of the money going into the business' coffers, to be redistributed as wage from there.
- Actually not gonna complain about this one, but that does not take away from the fact that you need to inspect bills of the US dollar for what magnitude of currency it is. Be it a dollar, a fiver, or a hundred, they all have the same size and colour. Unlike more sane currencies, where each denomination of bill has a different size and colour, making it readily apparent if you're holding five, twenty or a hundred of it.
- Not gonna say anything about this.
- SUV's are trash. And so are modern Pickup trucks. Source of my points, if you care
- They hog fuel & pollute excessively.
- you can't see shit out of them, especially right near the bumper.
- As a result of a stiffer frame and higher ground clearance, they're more fatal in a crash with people, or even regular cars, both for the other party and for their own occupants. And because they're big, heavy & unwieldy, they're more likely to end up in a crash in the first place.
- they hog space on the road, making traffic and parking worse
- they weigh a fuckton, making road maintenance more expensive
- there are vehicles out there that can do what an SUV or a Pickup truck can do, but much more efficiently & cost-effectively
- The people most likely to vehemently insist these abominations are supposed to keep existing have been found, by market research, to be obsessed with status, be less likely to volunteer, have no strong connection to their community, be less giving, be less oriented towards others, be more afraid of crime, be more likely to text & drive and be more likely to take risks while driving. In other words, SUV fanboys are assholes.
- When, a decade or so ago, one researcher put plastic animals along the side of the road, to see which ones people were more likely to hit, some people purposely went out of their way to run over them. Those people were in 89% of cases SUV drivers. The timing is relevant, since at the time, most American car makers still sold regular cars.
- Most SUV's and Pickup trucks end up being used for exactly nothing you would need them for.
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CrypticFawn 8 points 3 years ago
SUVs are not fine, they're getting bigger and bigger along with the trucks at the same damn time.
Katos -10 points 3 years ago
Gun owners aren't cowards, being afraid of guns makes you a coward. Learn to handle guns so you don't have to piss yourself in fear.
SUVs are for bad drivers that need to be in giant vehicles to feel safe due to their own inabilities. Some large trucks are acceptable for work purposes but SUV manufacturers use legislation for work trucks made years ago to get away with ignoring safety standards.
Electric cars aren't better for the environment in our current ecosystem. You might not be burning fuel in your car but you're burning coal at the power plant. Beyond that all you've done is make yourself more dependent on the power grid. If you are one of the very few people with self sufficient electric in your home you can skip this one.
Free healthcare doesn't equal good healthcare. People in places with free healthcare have to wait ages for treatment and may be turned away from treatment if the government is over their saving your life budget. The insurance industry could use some work though, hospital bills increase because they can get that money from an insurance provider, this fucks anyone without insurance because most people don't realize they can negotiate those prices down.
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Katos 1 point 3 years ago
Counter counter point: You can make a gun easily. Look up the looty.
Making guns illegal only keeps them out of the hands of people willing to follow the law. People who want to kill people with guns and commit crime do not care that they are not allowed to have a gun.
Umbraveil 5 points 3 years ago
Electric cars aren't better for the environment in our current ecosystem. You might not be burning fuel in your car but you're burning coal at the power plant. Beyond that all you've done is make yourself more dependent on the power grid. If you are one of the very few people with self sufficient electric in your home you can skip this one.
You really have to factor in the refinement and transport of fuel though. And then needing to drive to the pumps and the additional maintenance ICE vehicles
And not all energy is created by burning coal. There are solar, hydro, wind, and nuclear. In fact, only 20% of our energy comes from coal, https://www.eia.gov/....
I can't speak for every state, but California has only one coal plant and an abundance of renewable energy generation. Including what consumers dump back into the grid.
I love our EV, and encourage others to buy one. They aren't perfect, but it's about incremental improvements. The next problems to solve is battery improvements, long-term battery resource sustainability, and building a more durable and less polluting tire.
Katos 1 point 3 years ago
Though yes, California does have the least non-renewable power generation. Can you say the same for other states?
Additional maintenance is negligible when compared to the price of battery replacement.
I don't think there are many people making trips in their vehicle just for gas. With a gas station on nearly every corner you're able to easily stop on an existing trip to refuel.
When the power grid fails due to a natural disaster gas power is all you've got. With the limited range you have, is it worth the risk to try to drive somewhere for power?
I'm not against hybrids provided you can still get a reasonable amount of mileage off the gas. But like you said, we need massive amounts of improvement on batteries before we're ready for mass adoption and for EVs to really be a viable replacement option.
PurplebeanZ 2 points 3 years ago
You seem to be forgetting that places with socialised health care also have private healthcare and private insurance available so it's the best of both worlds. Everyone can get treated regardless, but you can also go 'premium' if desired.
Katos 1 point 3 years ago
So I can pay for others healthcare in my taxes and pay for additional healthcare for myself because the "free" healthcare I'm already paying for doesn't do enough for me? Wouldn't it just make more since to pay for private "premium" healthcare off the rip?
Nothing is actually free. It all comes out somewhere. I'm a big fan of not relying on others and the government to support me.
Ghostalmedia 113 points 3 years ago
Tipping is dumb, but tipping in Trump propaganda 10x dumb.
Ghostalmedia 18 points 3 years ago
Basically like saying “I think tipping sucks and your boss should be rolling your pay into the meal. So I’m not going to tip you. That said, I’m also going to vote for the party that supports your boss offloading employee pay onto customer tips.”
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Jackthelad 38 points 3 years ago
Tipping seems to be a cultural thing in the States.
Here in the UK we take the Mr. Pink approach to tipping.
Ghostalmedia 70 points 3 years ago
It stopped being a cultural thing decades ago. Now it’s about about companies not paying employees a living wage and America’s right wing constantly blocking legislation that would force employers to pay people enough to have shelter and food.
entropicdrift 16 points 3 years ago
It actually started as an economic thing too, because businesses during the great depression weren't able to consistently pay living wages.
Thorny_Thicket 6 points 3 years ago
It was originally a way to be able to hire black people and not pay them
nocturne213 4 points 3 years ago
It started much earlier than that and has roots in racism. https://time.com/...
After the Constitution was amended in the wake of the Civil War, slavery was ended as an institution but those who were freed from bondage were still limited in their choices. Many who did not end up sharecropping worked in menial positions, such as servants, waiters, barbers and railroad porters. These were pretty much the only occupations available to them. For restaurant workers and railroad porters, there was a catch: many employers would not actually pay these workers, under the condition that guests would offer a small tip instead.
NocturnalEngineer 29 points 3 years ago
During the UK lockdowns, I tipped all the front line workers where I could. That's it.
I'm not tipping someone as compensation for doing their job, that's what their employer is for.
cynar 4 points 3 years ago
I tip for exceptional service. If someone goes above and beyond what's required of them, I leave a tip. I also tip if I make their lives more difficult that they should have been.
Dealing with our general public, during COVID definitely counts as both. Particularly with the number of people who couldn't figure out how to wear a mask. At the same time, I also didn't go out much during the pandemic, mostly due to the whole pandemic thing going on.
Thorny_Thicket 1 point 3 years ago
What is exceptional service? How is it different from bad service? As an introverted north european I never figured this out myself. For me good service means I don't need to wait too long for my food/get the check but other than that I want to be left alone. I imagine I would find "good service" quite uncomfortable.
tony 2 points 3 years ago
Last time I tried to tip a delivery driver im the UK they said they can't take it..
Given we pay for delivery though and it's difficult to see what a driver could do above and beyond that isn't just 'doing their job' that's probably a good thing, provided they're getting a decent amount of it.
MisterEspinacas -11 points 3 years ago
But you see, this approach is an international problem on both sides of the tipping argument. Are you against tipping and think the worker should be compensated by their employer? That's great. Do you believe in this philosophy enough to actually seek out politicians who will make sure employers compensate the workers? All around the world, it seems that nobody cares that much about workers when it's time to vote. Workers in countries where tipping is not customary earn a crappy salary that does not allow them to live without depending on the kindness of their families. Good luck making yourself independent of your parents on a typical salary a waiter earns in Spain, for example. Workers in the USA where tipping is all the rage don't do much better. You can work in the retail industry and earn minimum wage, or sometimes slightly higher than minimum wage and live out of your car or live with your parents. You can work at a restaurant and depend on tips and live out of your car. You can be a visiting professor of sociology at whatever university and live out of your car. In Spain, you can have a PhD and ghost write for full professors and live out of your car or you can wait tables and not have a car and live with your parents. I mean, really. There is no difference in the end. Wages from work are low all around the world. They are low in democratic countries because people care more about some other issue and not about the people who bring food to their table at a restaurant, no matter what kind of tipping culture is predominant in that democratic country.
derf82 8 points 3 years ago
It used to be quite the opposite. Tipping was big in Europe but not in the US.
That changed with Prohibition. When alcohol was banned, there was suddenly a large whole in the bottom line of restaurants across the US. They turned to having a tipped staff to stay open.
Sadly, when it was repealed, tipping stayed. It was since inflated from 10% to 15% to now over 20%.
Some have tried to get rid of it, but sadly it hasn’t worked.
phillaholic 16 points 3 years ago
It dates back further than that. It was a great way to not pay recently freed slaves as much as white people during the Jim Crow south.
blazera 2 points 3 years ago
No, see if you go and dont tip, you're still taking part in the shit system, just with a side of hurtin workers. The owners making just as much money and doesnt need to change what he's doing.
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SpezCanLigmaBalls 20 points 3 years ago
But it doesn’t have to be if the employers pay how they should
ChemicalRascal 6 points 3 years ago
It really doesn't have to be a "fact of life", and it isn't in many places, such as Australia and England -- nations with very similar degrees of economic prosperity, and very similar cultures, to the USA.
derf82 6 points 3 years ago
People have tried and failed. But my point is, until that time you have to tip. I don’t care for people that don’t tip while arguing they are doing their server a favor. It is a disingenuous attempt to be cheap. A server’s paycheck should not be held hostage to a a war on tipping culture.
ImaginaryFox 2 points 3 years ago
I don't see them saying they don't tip, but arguing against the system in place. Which are two separate things.
assassin_aragorn 0 points 3 years ago
This is a fairly good bellwether to see who's progressive and who's a champagne socialist.
rjthyen -1 points 3 years ago
I'm always torn on this. I want to tip to help someone earn a living, but if enough of us stopped tipping employees would leave unless they were paid more. It does feel like adding suffering to the wrong people, but if out created change it would be nice eventually
FinalRemix 1 point 3 years ago
Because it comes from a history of slavery. Pushing it on to you, the customer, to pay the underpaid employee so the boss man doesn't have to.
IronDonkey -19 points 3 years ago
I mean, you're paying them either way. Businesses money for salaries comes from customers. It's still silly and indirect, but it's not like you wouldn't be paying the workers' salary anyway.
_pete_ 13 points 3 years ago
As a Brit this seems like such a ridiculous attitude to have.
When you go out for food you are paying for:
- Quality ingredients
- The knowledge and skill of someone to take those ingredients and make a nice meal out of them
If you’re dining in you also get:
- A nice place to sit with good lighting and a nice ambiance
- Someone to bring your food
- Someone to clean away your dirty dishes
If you are getting delivery you instead pay for someone to bring it to you.
The food itself is like 40% of what you’re paying for, the rest is just convenience and atmosphere.
SJ0 1 point 3 years ago
That's where we eventually started getting feezer pizzas instead of take-out. Compared to the pain in the ass of ordering food (assuming the place is even open), it was easier just to throw one in the oven, and way cheaper too.
kersploosh 1 point 3 years ago
Without tipping their entirely hourly wage has to come out of what you pay for the meal. Thus the price of your meal will go up to make up for what they used to get in tips.
IphtashuFitz 12 points 3 years ago
Or, maybe, the owners of the restaurant make slightly less profit and pay their employees a living wage.
There are a small number of restaurants across the US that actually do pay their servers and other employees reasonable hourly rates, and make it clear to patrons that they don’t accept tips. Prices are still reasonable and customers do continue coming back.
ImaginaryFox 6 points 3 years ago
I'd rather have that. Why is responsibility of covering wages shifting to the customer? And in return the blame? Sounds like a situation those in charge love, since instead of them being the bad guy they get to say "what an asshole customer right?" it's their fault your take home pay is lower today.
Hiding behind the customer going darn then it's out of my hands. Don't got money to spare. Then they hop in their expensive car and drive to their expensive home instead of them being the ones to pay a proper wage for their employees.
Sounds like a misleading system all around.
norbert 4 points 3 years ago
Then the menu prices should be raised to pay a livable wage to the staff. If I can't afford it I'll eat at home. Don't lure people in with the promise of one price and then guilt them into subsidizing your payroll off the book.
Tipping culture needs to go away, it's not the norm elsewhere and it shouldn't be here.
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Imgonnatrythis 44 points 3 years ago
It's a terrible practice and ultimately hurts workers. It should be banned simply because it promotes worker tax evasion, which is not what I really care about here, but it's a good reason to make it illegal. Making it illegal is only way to stop it in the US. It's absolutely rampant. You pick up donuts At the dunkin store and they ask for a tip now.
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TheOctonaut 24 points 3 years ago
I'm sorry but I have to take issue with "service is miles ahead".
American table service is weird. It's an uncomfortable experience for anyone who isn't used to it. You can call it a cultural difference but it genuinely gave us a feeling of revulsion - the fake friendliness, the platitudes, the hovering near the table, the constant refilling, the fucking survey mid-meal, the attentiveness barely concealing the determination to extract your money and shove you out and get another mark on the door.
Perhaps because most of these things seem to primarily seek to recreate the experience of a slave owner and their chattel.
infinite_zero 8 points 3 years ago
I’m an American and this stuff has always bothered me. I do hate having my drink empty, but I don’t need a refill when I have half left either.
krakenx 22 points 3 years ago
Service in Japan and South Korea is better than in American restaurants and you don't have to bribe the staff to be nice to you. The price on the menu is usually cheaper too.
Also, pooled tips are basically a slush fund for wages since the entire point of tipping is supposed to be to reward good service and if the tip isn't going directly to the person who provides the service, what's the point? Ditto for any tip on a service that hasn't even been performed yet, such as delivery services.
AnUnusualRelic 14 points 3 years ago
All that said: Outside of higher end catered meals in Europe, service at even a halfway decent restaurant in the US is miles ahead. Mostly because the staff knows that is how they get their bonuses.
If your idea of good service is having a waiter with faked cheer jump at you every five minutes loaded with a jug of ice cubes to check if "everything is great", then sure, the US style is miles ahead.
If you just want a professional to do his job as unobtrusively as possible, the European way is the one to pick.
BubblyMango 12 points 3 years ago
Tipping culture does not create better service, have you ever been to Italy? People tip because its the social norm, not because they like the service.
Cethin 10 points 3 years ago
It's sad how much work has been put into convincing worker to buy this shit. It is not to their benefit. If you would make however much money after tips, you should still expect to make that same amount in a wage if we remove tips. It's just a hurdle for everyone to jump through so restaurant owners aren't held accountable to pay their staff. It's also not uncommon for them to not make up the difference if the staff doesn't make minimum wage after tips, which they are legally required to do.
Tipping is a racket. If it were in the workers favor, why would their bosses be so in favor of it? If the person who you're working for is ever in favor of something financial, you should pay attention because you should probably be on the other side. If it makes them more money then it's likely costing you money
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reverendsteveii 0 points 3 years ago
it promotes worker tax evasion
this is the only argument I'll hear in favor of tipping. People should cheat on their taxes until they pay as little as the wealthy.
5am5ep1ol 5 points 3 years ago
I mean, I get where you’re coming from. But modern US does not spend our tax money justly or wisely. Infrastructure crumbling, social services abysmal, arts funding abysmal…we are constantly taking our great revenue and mishandling it while people across the country suffer. Our system works for the rich, while running on money from the poor. The entire system is broken, taxing the rich will not solve the problem.
A2PKXG 6 points 3 years ago
The thing is, America is culturally really influenctial. Here in Germany we have a wide variety of jobs that typically pay minimum wage. Some are service related, others aren't. It's roughly 20% of the workforce.
But we listen to american podcasts, watch your movies, your series and so on.
So waiters tend to get minimum wage + tax free tips, while cashiers just get minimum wage. Granted, tips are more like 10% here. I hate tips being an expectation.
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AlphaOmega 52 points 3 years ago
I believe if you were to take this to your bank and tell them that someone tipped you this and you just want to check it it's counterfeit or real, the FBI would suddenly be involved
newIdentity 10 points 3 years ago
It doesn't look close enough to a real bill. The person on the counter would probably just say they will get someone involved and then throw it away and do nothing.
PickTheStick 15 points 3 years ago
It doesn't look close enough to a real bill for the bank/Secret Service to care about. I've seen someone charged with counterfeit money when they had the movie money that literally says "This is not real money, it is for cinematic purposes only" on the back. Cops and DAs can fuck you twice over.
soviettaters 8 points 3 years ago
Those don't look enough like real money to be illegal. These do.
jwagner7813 10 points 3 years ago
It is remarkably close to a real bill. If not for the numbers being obviously wrong, I can imagine someone mistaking this for a real bill.
mwguy 8 points 3 years ago
A year 2024 bill denomination? Doubtful. Courts have long protected the right of parody money as long as it was clear that it's not real. And making a bill that doesn't have a dollar amount on it and is clearly political speech would likely be protected.
Delphia 6 points 3 years ago
Yeah but they are leaving it in place of actual money. IF you found a LEO who wanted to fuck the tippers day up it could probably be used as grounds for an arrest because its being used in place of money. Wether a charge would stick or not would entirely depend on the judge.
Kind of like how walking around with tiny baggies full of baby powder is legal, selling them and claiming its coke isnt. If you try to pass something that looks like money off as money...
Cianalas 1 point 3 years ago
Except a tip isn't a contractual transaction, so there's nothing illegal happening. They just left a clickbaity political flyer. There's no difference between leaving this and leaving Chick Tracts, other than this one makes you double take before throwing it out.
If they tried to pay for the meal with it, there'd be a legal problem since they're trying to pass it off as money.
mwguy -1 points 3 years ago
I'm sure a LEO with a friendly judge could duck the tippers day up. But cops "don't vote Democrat" (Jack Reacher quote), and they can in almost every jurisdiction, just pull you over and beat you up if they want to run your day.
Diprount_Tomato 108 points 3 years ago
Nobody but your boss has to give you the pay you deserve
Diprount_Tomato 4 points 3 years ago
14 people
samus12345 2 points 3 years ago
But they also didn't answer the question. They said how many, not who.
iiVy -31 points 3 years ago
If you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to eat out or order delivery. Just because the tip system is a terrible system doesn't mean you have an excuse to fuck over the victims of it.
Until there's a national strike on tipping that could lead thousands of tip reliant workers to quit (like the writers strike), be a decent person and have some sympathy. Instead of eating out and not tipping, don't eat out. The restaurant gets the same amount of money whether you tip or not, I guarantee they don't give a shit.
agamemnonymous 8 points 3 years ago
I wanted to highlight
Instead of eating out and not tipping, don’t eat out. The restaurant gets the same amount of money whether you tip or not, I guarantee they don’t give a shit.
This isn't a "just said", it's a fact. Not tipping isn't a protest, it's a self-imposed discount at the expense of the worker. The business owner makes exactly the same money, the only one who suffers is the underpaid worker.
Erisianbelle -3 points 3 years ago
"I have sympathy for underpaid workers."
...but they should feed me while I do nothing to help them, instead I'll be here actively enriching the people exploiting their labor.
"But I don't think I'll change my tipping attitude just because you said such and such."
I'm sure that sounded cool in concept, but basically all this says is that you find the idea of changing your mind due to dialog silly. How sad.
"Actually your commands sound a bit condescending"
Oh wow, I hope my analysis doesn't come across like that. You might stop tipping - oh, wait...
myplacedk 1 point 3 years ago
All good points. But since tipping is supporting this broken system, and not tipping seems to be worse, what do you suggest then?
I could just not go out, sure. Just stay out of it. If enough people do that, this wil lead to less customers, more employers closing their business, more employers loosing the job they couldn't afford to quit. I don't see how that helps either.
So I'm listening. What do you suggest?
samus12345 4 points 3 years ago
If you can't afford to live without tips, don't volunteer to become a potential victim of a terrible system.
iiVy 0 points 3 years ago
If it wasn't so depressing I might find it funny you think people work in bad environments because they want to.
Minimum wage is not a livable wage, I shouldn't have to tell you this. Your arrogance is genuinely disgusting.
samus12345 4 points 3 years ago
And I find the arrogance of telling people if they can't afford to tip, they shouldn't eat out disgusting. If they can afford it and are just being cheap, that's one thing, but you don't get to act all morally superior while being arrogant the other direction.
toomanyjoints69 3 points 3 years ago
I really should stop going to places that need me to tip. I need to save up my money after my mistakes ruined my life yet again. Im so tired of never being able to make mistakes without nearly losing everything
myplacedk 1 point 3 years ago
I see what you mean, but I'm not the one fucking over the employees.
On the short term you are right, but as long as customers keeps tipping, the system works well enough for nothing to change.
The more people stops tipping, the closer we get to change.
And I'm sorry that the change will hurt the employees, but it's not my battle. And tipping does not support the employees battle, just this days income.
Tell me another way I can support their battle, and I'll listen.
(I tip when the employees seems to rely on it, or if I feel extraordinarily well serviced.)
agamemnonymous 0 points 3 years ago
You do know there are many places to get food without table service, right?
FlashMobOfOne -34 points 3 years ago
That's actually inaccurate.
You can be charged for theft of service for refusing to tip someone. It's happened.
FlashMobOfOne -21 points 3 years ago
And you would be, again, factually incorrect.
ArchmageAzor 3 points 3 years ago
Go ahead then, back it up. Share an article or something about it. Hell, share three of the same event.
samus12345 9 points 3 years ago
Then it's not a tip, it's wages the customer is expected to pay.
Ghostalmedia 78 points 3 years ago
Funny thing is that this guy hates tipping, but they’re going to vote for the candidate and political party that want to keep service salaries so low that tipping is required to live.
If this person really wanted to kill tipping, they should vote for the other party. Those are the folks seriously talking about solutions that would make it unnecessary.
STRIKINGdebate2 47 points 3 years ago
If you try to explain this they'll just go on a unhinged tangent about how Trump single handedly saved the service industry. That, or something equally stupid.
CanadaPlus 13 points 3 years ago
Yes, let's not pretend that these are well-researched positions that make sense. They're identity statements.
MostlyBirds 21 points 3 years ago
Assholes like this love tipping culture. It gives them a feeling of power over people they see as lesser.
RedAggroBest 7 points 3 years ago
I find these types don't hate tipping, they think servers deserve to beg for scraps. They also just don't think it should be them doing the tipping and act like what they gave you is more valuable than the money.
SmashingSquid 4 points 3 years ago
These are the same idiots that will go into a store on Christmas to shop and then rant to the cashier that they shouldn't be open on Christmas. They refuse to have self awareness.
Cosmonaut_Collin 1 point 3 years ago
While I do believe the minimum wage is too low and I am wanting it raised, I don't think raising it will stop restaurants from keeping tipping culture. Unless they implement laws to dissolve tips, it makes no sense financially for restaurants to end tipping. Even landlords are getting in on tipping.
breadsmasher 65 points 3 years ago
its a cult
Imgonnatrythis 2 points 3 years ago
That's kind of insulting to cult leaders bruh. Most cult leaders have some really honed charisma and at least some specific intellectual strengths.
dreadedsemi 63 points 3 years ago
They removed god and placed Trump. Are evangelicals fine with that?
agent_flounder 25 points 3 years ago
Good thing they don't bother reading their sacred text.
Mirshe 9 points 3 years ago
Plenty fine. There's a lot of them even claiming that Trump is literally the Second Coming, or a prophet thereof. I've even had one tell me that he and Pence (before they all turned against Pence) were the two prophets of the End Times in Revelations.
Ultraviolet 10 points 3 years ago
The funny part is that they supposedly believe in the Antichrist but don't realize Trump is closer to that description than the Second Coming.
ArbitraryValue 5 points 3 years ago
I think the Republican party stopped caring about the evangelicals back in 2010 when the Tea Party thing happened. By 2012 their candidate was a Mormon and then we all know what happened in 2016.
PalmTreeIsBestTree 4 points 3 years ago
Trump is their god emperor
creditCrazy 1 point 3 years ago
Well he did try starting the space force so maybe that was his attempt at a space marine
TheButtonJustSpins 3 points 3 years ago
Omg I didn't even notice that. Jfc
grayman -10 points 3 years ago
Anyone hard rooting for any politician is a moron. All D and R marked politicians are lizards looking to suck your wallet dry and deprive you of free will. These ultra Trump people are are cringey as the baffoons that think Biden is a good president.
ZeroXHunter 57 points 3 years ago
Fuck tipping culture. Rather than begging tips from customers, DEMAND it from your employer.
diyrebel 12 points 3 years ago
Yes, but sadly the contrary is happening. Restaurant owners now have a sneaky trick to increase tips in order to lower wages: you know those receipts & terminals that have a “suggested tip”? Yeah, those things.. they keep increasing. I was handed a PoS terminal in Netherlands (where tipping norms are like a couple euro), and the terminal asked me to tap for how much I want to tip which suggested as much as 25%.
It’s working, too. A recent article described how this trick is causing average tips to increase. So the #warOnCash is part of the problem.
Moonrise2473 44 points 3 years ago
They're too dumb to realize that it will have the opposite effect. It won't work like "omg i got an ad for [CANDIDATE X] instead of $20, gonna vote for him!!"
Hazdaz 14 points 3 years ago
It has nothing to do with advertising and everything to do with showing dominance. While liberals are too afraid to say this or that because it might hurt someone's feelings, these right wing lunatics have no problems being very bold and in-your-face about their candidate of choice.
rocketpoweredredneck 3 points 3 years ago
What you're supposed to do with these and the bible verse ones is at least leave a decent tip to go along with this so the server finds it at the end of their shift with their money. Instead, people just leave these pieces of trash.
samus12345 2 points 3 years ago
I'm not. This won't change anyone's mind one way or the other.
xantoxis 30 points 3 years ago
At first I didn't see any actual evidence that this was connected to Trump, so I figured everyone here was just assuming it was Trump based on how shitty this practice is. I definitely assumed the same.
(If you zoom wayyyy in his name is there, though.)
EdibleFriend 29 points 3 years ago
Been a thing for a long time actually. Since before his cult. Religious fucks leave fake bills with Bible versus on them.
jecxjo 28 points 3 years ago
Worked in a resort area and some big church group showed up and tipped using money like that. Like a party of 20 people type group.
Everyone started calling around to establishment saying if you get a group of 20 and they all look like Jesus folk tell them to leave.
whygohomie 25 points 3 years ago
Cult people using the cult as an excuse/justification to behave like selfish assholes. A tale as old as time.
When are the rest of us going to get sick of this petulant bullshit?
HardlightCereal -7 points 3 years ago
Trumpism isn't a cult, it's a mainstream religion. Unless you want to make the argument that Trumpism is a sect of Christianity devoted to worshipping the Antichrist
MossyFeathers 9 points 3 years ago
If it's close enough to the real thing that someone tries to use it as real currency, then it's considered counterfeit. Personally, imo anything dollar-like that's used in place of a tip should be considered an attempt to use counterfeit money.
theodewere 1 point 3 years ago
by some Trump supporters, yes
newIdentity 1 point 3 years ago
Nope. It's pretty obvious that this isn't really money
collegefurtrader -5 points 3 years ago
Obviously not
cooopsspace 22 points 3 years ago
Wow this is worthless
I hope it's at least two ply so you can wipe with it
Buddahriffic 9 points 3 years ago
I, uh, wouldn't really trust touching that to my skin. I bet they went with the lowest bidder by far that uses some lead-based ink or some shit like that.
Feathercrown 5 points 3 years ago
It's less than worthless my boy!
A_little_bi 21 points 3 years ago
Christians have been doing this with Jesus bucks for decades
ShadowPouncer 20 points 3 years ago
To be real clear, the only thing this does is screw over the hourly employees trying to survive on tips.
It does absolutely nothing to the business, they don't care, at all. It doesn't impact them in the slightest.
Yes, by law, if someone makes so little in tips that they would be getting paid below minimum wage the business is supposed to make up the difference.
Assuming that happens for the entire shift.
In practice, by all accounts... That pretty much never happens.
Viking_Hippie 1 point 3 years ago
In theory, yes, but in reality it's a religious cult. The majority of his followers won't abandon him no matter how much abuse they suffer from him and their fellow cultists.
Psythik 18 points 3 years ago
Yeah but by continuing to support the tipping system, nothing will ever change. The best thing to do is stop giving business to restaurants with a tipping culture.
If enough people refuse to eat at these places, eventually employees will start quitting and restaurant owners will have to start paying their workers a decent wage.
There are plenty of restaurants with delicious high-quality food and no tips accepted. You don't have to be waited on by a server.
BananaPeal 6 points 3 years ago
While your plan is good in theory, how many places like this have you found? I have ran into a grand total of zero. It's hard to support businesses doing it a better way when you can't find any.
BananaPeal 2 points 3 years ago
I guess I missed that you're intentionally avoiding places with waiters/servers. That's what I had in mind. I've visited plenty of places that don't have a tip jar out or activate the tipping feature on the credit card machine. I don't really consider them making progress away from the wild tipping culture we currently have. They just haven't fallen into the ridiculous yet. I get what you're saying now.
Ultimately, nothing's going to change unless something changes on the state or federal level. My state tried instituting a minimum wage that included waiters, but restaurants put up such a stink that the waiter part got reversed. "We'll have to raise our prices!" Yeah no shit, but then we won't pay tip. It theoretically should wash out in the end.
jrs100000 14 points 3 years ago
In practice, if you report so little tips you cant hit minimum wage management will assume you are (a) lying to the IRS, (b) providing awful service, or (c) business is too slow to justify you being there. Any way you look at you probably wont work there much longer.
Viking_Hippie 2 points 3 years ago
Yeah sure, lay the responsibility on people powerless to change the law themselves in stead of the politicians whose job it is, taking away what little income the victims have in the process! Fucking brilliant! 🙄
Iamdanno 1 point 3 years ago
The politicians WONT change the system, so there are really only one option: don't tip, and let the chips fall where they may. If I don't go to the restaurant at all, the server gets no tips, and if I go, but don't tip, the server gets no tips. If I go, but don't tip, at least I still get the food I want, without having to make it myself. The "tipping problem" is a problem between employees and employers, it's not my problem to solve.
JonDorfman 1 point 3 years ago
There's technically two different rates employers are federally required to pay. First there's the standard $7.25/h. The second is for workers that receive cash tips. Employers are allowed to pay said workers as little as $2.13/h so long as their tips and their regular wages work out to $7.25h. If the employee's gross pay works out to less than $7.25/h, then the employer is obligated to make up the difference. The idea, I presume, is to allow some wiggle room to "encourage a more competitive market for smaller businesses," while still ensuring workers make at least the minimum.
twitterfluechtling 5 points 3 years ago
If the employee’s gross pay works out to less than $7.25/h, then the employer is obligated to make up the difference.
I imagine the result it that any employee demanding the employer to fill the gap is fired because obviously they provide bad service, otherwise they'd get more tips. Right?
Viking_Hippie 2 points 3 years ago
Yeah, given that the most common and least punished form of theft is wage theft, I'd wager that the majority of bosses to whom it would apply don't follow this rule and see no sanctions of any kind for it..
FlyingSquid 1 point 3 years ago
Yes. One of the many reasons I say we need a UBI.
SimplyATable 1 point 3 years ago
People are generalizing, but this isn't the case for all of the US. Things vary by state
Poem_for_your_sprog 57 points 3 years ago
Yes, restaurants should be required to pay a proper wage.
JehovasThickness 18 points 3 years ago
I didn't really get why someone would make a bill with just 2024 on it. Like, do they just really want to make sure that you know about the year 2024?
Then I saw the small print.
TransplantedSconie 11 points 3 years ago
What a horrible person to do this.
My mom was a waitress when I was growing up, and I know how hard they work. I always tip at the minimum 20%.
Goddamn Trump supporters just keep showing us what broken people they truly are.
Pharaohsis 10 points 3 years ago
ELIF: How is this not illegal? That seriously looks like a 20-dollar bill... I might be missing something.
Cianalas 19 points 3 years ago
For the "bill" itself, we can't see the other side, but there's enough differences that you wouldn't mistake it for real currency at more than a glance. Fake bills for movie/tv sets look far closer to real bills (basically with obviously fake serial numbers and "for movie use only" stamped on it.
For leaving it as a tip, it's not being used to satisfy a payment. While tipping is expected, it's not required and there's not an agreed upon amount between the parties. So they're just leaving a scummy flyer behind. Not any different than the people that 'tip' with Chick Tracts. If they were to use it to try and pay the bill, it'd be illegal.
Pharaohsis 1 point 3 years ago
Gotcha, good call out on the front of the bill. I am curious if OP has that for us to see. Thank you for the explanation.
Kinyutaka 1 point 3 years ago
It is clearly marked as not being a $20 bill. That 2024 is huge compared to the real thing. The flip side probably includes a picture of Donnie T instead of Jackson.
If you accept that as legal tender, it's on you. On the bright side, there's no indication that they were trying to pass it off as real money. It's like those screeds where it looks like a $20, but you open it and it says, "I bet you would have been happy if this was real money, but let me tell you, Jesus is better than money."
Gee, thanks. Let me ask the HEB of they'll accept Jesus in exchange for milk and beef.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 10 points 3 years ago
This almost pisses me off enough to invent time travel, go back in time, kill my grandfather, and destroy the universe.
Photographer 6 points 3 years ago
This almost pisses me off enough to invent time travel, go back in time, kill my grandfather, and destroy the universe, sleep with my grandmother, become the mighty one, travel into the future, save the universe
FTFY
LittleBoBanny 9 points 3 years ago
Assholes get a 25% discount at restaurants.
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Lifecoach5000 9 points 3 years ago
I wanna see the flip side
tomcatt360 2 points 3 years ago
Here you go
Lifecoach5000 1 point 3 years ago
The real MVP! - you, not that ham hock face on the other side
ndguardian 8 points 3 years ago
I have to wonder what is going through their heads to think this would be in any way helpful to their cause. It's literally saying "hey I'm screwing you out of money in the name of Trump."
That's definitely going to win over prospective voters.
limelight79 3 points 3 years ago
With that shitty smile I'm sure. You know the one. Don't make me post a link to the image.
tomcatt360 1 point 3 years ago
Here you go
asunaspersonalasst 6 points 3 years ago
Would be more functional on a public restroom that ran out of toilet paper tbfh.
samus12345 5 points 3 years ago
I would say they're not dumb enough to go back, but, you know, Trump supporter.
veniasilente 4 points 3 years ago
Technically if some idiot hands you one of those, you can have them citizen-arrested for counterfeiting money, right?
Cianalas 9 points 3 years ago
Maybe, but also only if it's trying to be used as cash. Trying to pay for groceries, meal, depositing it at a bank, etc. would be an issue. Leaving it as a tip, while a scummy thing to do, isn't on the same ballpark since it's not an agreed upon transaction (i.e. no price for a tip is agreed upon by the parties), and you'd have to prove intent to pass it off as cash and not just a flyer/pamphlet.
veniasilente 0 points 3 years ago
, and you’d have to prove intent to pass it off as cash and not just a flyer/pamphlet.
If they left it in the tip jar / tip tray, it's patent intent.
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golamas1999 3 points 3 years ago
Is that illegal.
Cethin 11 points 3 years ago
I'm pretty sure there is no legal requirement to tip. However, if wait staff end up below minimum wage after tips their employer is supposed to pay the difference, though this usually doesn't happen and most people aren't aware of it. Wage theft is the most common form of theft in the US, and this plays a part in it.
Cianalas 1 point 3 years ago
If they knowingly pass a counterfeit bill, yes.
But this is a tip, not a payment so there's no agreed upon amount that is supposed to be left.
Also, this isn't a counterfeit bill, since it's easily distinguishable from legal currency.
Is leaving a clickbaity political flyer in place of a tip a scummy thing to do? Absolutely. But it's not illegal.
Cethin 1 point 3 years ago
I'm pretty sure this wouldn't count as counterfeit. It's not meant to pass as real money. It's gag money. You're not required to tip though, so there's nothing illegal about not leaving money or leaving something else instead. Obviously knowingly using counterfeit money is illegal regardless, but again this is counterfeit, just a gag.
Photographer 7 points 3 years ago
basically a promotional flyer for the Trump 2024 campaign
diyrebel 1 point 3 years ago
What’s so revolting and obnoxious about @STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world’s trolling is low wages and high tips are precisely in line with #Trump principles (and in fact right-wing conservatives in general) and contrary to the principles of the liberals who are repulsed by Trump & his repugnance.
STRIKINGdebate2 5 points 3 years ago
How am I trolling?
egeres 2 points 3 years ago
The whole situation with tipping is following a path of degeneration, which I wouldn't dare to say we have seen the end. However, this reminds me of the millionaire of better call saul who wanted to secede from the US and had printed his own money xd
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Oh America, come on:
end (and stop exporting) that vicious tipping culture of yours. Just pay decent wages to people in customer service.
change the design of yours bills, make them easily recognizable, with different colors and sizes like normal curencies.
take religion out of the money.
and since I'm at it, end gun culture and disarm your people. Also SUVs, end that too. And introduce controlled prices in health services, regulate, regulate, regulate, till it becomes a functional system affordable by everyone.
Thanks. I would love you so much more.
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