somehow this went from defending themselves against terrorist's, to them becoming terrorists as well
That post seems to be missing.
trashgirlfriend 108 points 2 years ago
The state of Israel was founded by genocidal terrorists
30p87 27 points 2 years ago
Religion as a concept and religious states are nothing short of fascism. It doesn't matter if the upmost entity is fictional, and the power is actually wielded by kings or popes and such, or if it's Hitler, at the end it's all the same: A way to suppress and mass murder anyone and anything that doesn't please the Führer(s).
Saleh 7 points 2 years ago
Zionism is a secular/atheist project. It was strongly opposed by religious Jews at the beginning and still is by many. They had to work very strongly to create some religiously painted zionism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
You are blaming the side of ethnic Jewish people that mostly opposed Zionism for it. And especially blaming it on the religion is strange, as their motivation for opposing Zionism is religious.
I have the feeling that many people are just projecting their experiences and concepts of their brand of extremist Christians (Evangelical, hardcore Catholics...) onto Jews and Muslims.
30p87 2 points 2 years ago
Yes, it's totally the christians double-death-sentencing 16 year olds for being homosexual and not believing in god, not the UAE government.
Religion as a concept should not exist. Genocides, mass enslaving and gassing are almost all results of religion and religion-like structures. It's no wonder that countries built, formed and led by religions clash with other countries, as almost every religions literal only purpose is to 1) provide comfort for people in need and 2) establish and burn that batshit crazy believe in every humans mind, bind them to the leaders indefinitely and take over literally every speck of the earth, because only that religion is correct, and should rule. You know what other moves had that exact same signature, motives and effects? Correct, the NSDAP under Hitler. Which is why it's literally seen as a "replacement-religion" - it combines everyone under one small group of leaders, with bullshit takes and erases everything else. The only difference being that religion (again, as a concept, not the people) is much more subtle, at least in modern times. But as we see, everywhere, especially in countries with religion (religious leaders themselves) as the defacto government, it still very much exists.
As long as religion has any power, and can therefore fulfill purpose 2, it's literal fascism. We need to destroy each and every government and large religious organizations, remove any power from lobbies and churches, and provide all children with neutral information about everything, including religion. So they can themselves choose to believe in bullshit, so it may help them, but without granting anyone arbitrary power by those beliefs.
NoneOfUrBusiness -16 points 2 years ago
Militant atheists will never cease to amaze me with the nonsense they come up with (and how they say "religion" but can only think of Christianity as an example).
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NoneOfUrBusiness 50 points 2 years ago
It's always been like this, but more importantly: The IDF aren't (at least primarily) terrorists; they're a Jewish Wehrmacht launching a war of extermination on the people of Gaza. Calling that terrorism implies that they're equal to Hamas rather than subjecting Palestinians one of the worst crimes a state can commit.
originalfrozenbanana 11 points 2 years ago
Always has been
technocrit 9 points 2 years ago
Are you talking about the genocidal invaders? lmao.
jpreston2005 95 points 2 years ago
the paramedic who filmed the video was later found with a bullet in his head in the mass grave. His name has not been disclosed yet because he has relatives living in Gaza concerned about Israeli retaliation
"We killed your son, and it came to light, so now we're going to kill you."
It's truly hard to fathom the depth of evil in isreal right now. And we're fucking funding it. We're arming them, and paying them to continue. Meanwhile AIPAC continues to fund primaries against our politicians that speak out. The US is a fucking joke.
psycho_driver 21 points 2 years ago
Yeah well if they're in Gaza Israel wants to (and eventually will) kill them regardless.
PersnickityPenguin 12 points 2 years ago
Don't forget, the US pays for Israel is to come to the US to train their police departments into believing that every civilian is basically a terrorist that needs to be killed.
filister 85 points 2 years ago
I am astonished how silent the west is. Why not a single nation is required to conduct independent investigation and require accountability on Israel's side.
What happened on the 7th of October was horrible but it is not giving Israel a carte blanche to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Angry_Autist 11 points 2 years ago
Repub or Dem no American in power will censure Israel b/c the U.S. will do nothing to jeopardize our military reach there. It's a sad fact that is at the basis of all of this, and this fundamental misunderstanding cost Kamala a lot of voters
Everyone wants to pretend it's satanism or globalism or communism or whatever fucking ism is the bad guy this week but really it's just that the U.S. refuses to give up willingly the title of 'world's best warlord'
dovahking 6 points 2 years ago
That's fucking disgusting. Even at the start of Russian invasion, their citizens were protesting and going to jail for it. Never saw the same from israeli citizens. Guess this explains why.
WorldsDumbestMan 0 points 2 years ago
Empathy for what? They are going to rule the world, the rest of us are either cattle or vermin for them. All because of a handful of agents.
Angry_Autist 2 points 2 years ago
like every population they are mixed, and there have been public protests so at least there is some opposition
Mostly I think the average person is just low information and agitated with a constant background of fear and confusion, tribalistic and relying on gut feeling over rationality
There are also some ridiculously greedy and violent bandits that will kill a family for land, but they are in the minority.
MellowYellow13 4 points 2 years ago
But also why do you and others in the west keep acting like this started on Oct 7th? Israel has been fucking up Palestine for as long as I can remember.
Gordon_Shumway_4_POTUS -11 points 2 years ago
This is what eventually broke me during the last Trump vs. Biden/Harris election.
I understand a lot of people shit on (non)voters like me, but it was the first time in 20 years that I could not vote either way. I always thought it would get bad, and then worse, and then worse still, but I honestly thought eventually the Biden Admin would grow a pair of gonads and say "enough". Right around the time the video was released of Israelis setting Palestinians on fire in the Hospital and the IDF throwing people off of roofs, that's when just something inside of me died.
pregnantwithrage 6 points 2 years ago
It's not a democracy it's a representative democracy so basically we have a giant suggestion box that our elected leaders can look at and say "I'll consider that in my vote in Congress".
AppleTea 1 point 2 years ago
well it was put together at the end of the 1700s, by the kind of guys rich enough to take a summer off to go argue with their peers over the details. The whole thing was designed take democratic input without actually having to be beholden to public sentiment. They were pretty open about that fact, it's all over their correspondences and publications.
Obviously all these years latter it's not quite the same beast they bred, but it still has the same basic shape and function.
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also they were a bunch of libertarian laissez-faire slavers what did you expect
Angry_Autist 10 points 2 years ago
^Propaganda account
pregnantwithrage 3 points 2 years ago
You caught me 🙄
Angry_Autist -2 points 2 years ago
Why even do it? You can't be that truly nihilistic
pregnantwithrage -1 points 2 years ago
Don't let people shame you into the lesser of two evils argument because it's your vote at the end of the day. I heard all sides for the past 10 years now and honestly we got to Trump because of Hillary and not having a party that stood for anything.
drmoose 2 points 2 years ago
It's not lesser of two evils it's inaction that's the issue "the world sucks so let me do absolutely nothing about it whaaaa" just fuck right off to a forest cabin or smt instead of spreading your shit defeatism onto others.
pregnantwithrage 4 points 2 years ago
Not what I said. If you think the Democratic party is going to save you than go ahead and keep voting for Chuck Schumer's fetal position strategy because it's your vote and you shouldn't be shamed in voting one way or another same as this guy doing whatever he wants with his vote. That's it.
hark 2 points 2 years ago
You mean like how democrats love to claim their hands are tied on any issue that benefits the common person? Pointing out that electoralism hasn't worked isn't defeatism, it's recognizing reality.
MellowYellow13 1 point 2 years ago
Your right wing democrats aint gonna do fucking shit. They cant even stand up to Trump. They are the ones literally doing nothing and just standing back
itisileclerk 79 points 2 years ago
IDF members are war criminals. Isreal is genocidal state.
kittenzrulz123 13 points 2 years ago
Thats why I call it the IOZ (Israeli Occupied Zone), its not a country its a military occupation
kittenzrulz123 3 points 2 years ago
Of course, also theres GDF (Genocide Defense Forces)
Grizzlyboy 77 points 2 years ago
Israel will claim anything to not seem like genocidal maniacs. Seriously, fuck Netanyahu. The arrogance of killing CLEARLY marked aid workers, and claiming they weren’t marked is baffling.
Angry_Autist 11 points 2 years ago
It hasn't for quite some time because the powers that be found they can distract everyone with celebrity bullshit and cats on the internet, destroying our collective memory span so they can continue to commit atrocity after atrocity while we are all too depressed and endorphin-seeking to fight back.
And in a few minutes someone will come along to tell me why I am wrong and stupid but no one will care because this is ALL buried in a pile of irrelevant, life eroding infotainment
Apple87sagan 1 point 2 years ago
Even in WWII soldiers would respect the red cross
raod_guitar 76 points 2 years ago
What I don't get is that almost nothing is happening. They are systematically and blatantly committing the most atrocious warcrimes and there is no outcry by the nations. What they do in one day would be enough to denounce any weaker developing country. The west is showing once again that the international community is really all about control, capitalism and racism.
LifeInMultipleChoice 30 points 2 years ago
How is it just blamed on "the west". China, India and other "Eastern" countries are in the UN as well. Would you not have to say it just shows they care nothing about the international community and it is really about their control and power as well? The world is watching executions around the world, and people are just being censored to/from it by their governments. Israel's biggest trading partner is China by far, almost twice the U.S. Not any huge press from them about stopping.
raod_guitar 16 points 2 years ago
Good point, I don't disagree. China doesn't have a history of writing human rights on their flags though.
RymrgandsDaughter 57 points 2 years ago
The IDF is bombing UN buildings and people are still waffling on calling Israel a terrorist nation is hilarious.
RymrgandsDaughter 11 points 2 years ago
Eh am I old? that's not a strange phrase is it?
seventythreeyards 8 points 2 years ago
Native English speaker, though haven’t lived in the UK (nor any other country with English as the primary/dominant language) since I was a chid.
I’ve heard the phrase a million times said out loud.
First time I’ve seen it in written language, however.
RymrgandsDaughter 7 points 2 years ago
ah yeah I can see that, sorry
AnUnusualRelic 6 points 2 years ago
Well, not that hilarious, really.
RymrgandsDaughter 7 points 2 years ago
It's hilarious in a "humanity is completely fucked I'm screaming internally" way. This is not sane laughter
CobraChicken3000 56 points 2 years ago
I'm no expert but that is a war crime
Dragonstaff 26 points 2 years ago
Throw it on the pile.
psycho_driver 13 points 2 years ago
Pile of bodies in the mass grave or pile of war crimes and atrocities against humanity?
Dragonstaff 4 points 2 years ago
Yes
filister 15 points 2 years ago
As well as withholding humanitarian aid and medical supplies during an ongoing war. But apparently no one cares about international law anymore or they do care selectively depending on the nation committing the war crimes.
NikkiDimes 7 points 2 years ago
And it'll, once again, change fuck all...
HellsBelle 52 points 2 years ago
I'd like to know how all of us watching Israel kill thousands of Palestinians - and we do nothing to stop it - is any different than the world watching Germany kill Jews, gypsies, Poles, scientists, etc in WW2?
There. Is. No. Fucking. Difference.
ChickenLadyLovesLife 28 points 2 years ago
There is a difference: we're helping to fund it.
pulsewidth 5 points 2 years ago
USA was profiting quite nicely off Nazi Germany in World War 2 right up until the USA entered the war in 1941. Some historians argue there is nothing wrong with that. I think many would disagree.
The US government at the time was lobbied heavily by business and private citizens (including the Nazi Party of America) to stay neutral in the war, so they largely did just that right up until Pearl Harbour made it so they could not turn away. There were exceptions, eg: oil and metals used for creating ammunition were agreed not to be sold as part of the Allied Agreement with the UK (and others) and boats coming in and out were blockaded. But even that didn't stop big fans of fascism, such as the Texaco CEO at the time whom supplied oil to the Nazis up until late 1940.
So, honestly I don't think a lot has changed.
I guess the US government wasn't directly funding WW2, but they also didn't care one bit until it affected them directly - it was making their donors money. Paralleled today the US govt at large doesn't care, and primarily funds Israel for two reasons: protecting their oil interests in the middle east (business donors and strategic benefits), and every dollar provided in the budget is actually a voucher to go buy some weapons or military equipment from a US firm - so again, its to cynically drive military-industrial investment (strategic) and protect their business donors.
ChickenLadyLovesLife 4 points 2 years ago
so they largely did just that right up until Pearl Harbor made it so they could not turn away
FWIW we (the United States) could conceivably have gone on turning away from what Germany was doing even after Pearl Harbor (although that was unlikely given Roosevelt's anti-Germany stance). Hitler declared war on the US on December 11th, not the other way around.
pulsewidth 2 points 2 years ago
Yeah, even in my excessively long reply to a one sentence comment I was skipping over a lot of information for brevity, and I'm not a historian. My point was only to illuminate that the US stance pre-WW2 involvement was not dissimilar to today's - broadly the govt doesnt care that people suffer even to the point of genocide now nor then, as long as national interests (basically business and economy) are unimpeded.
Thanks for the added info.
OmegaLemmy 20 points 2 years ago
incredibly disappointing that nations like Saudi Arabia and Turkey rather leverage this opportunity to militarise against fucking Syria and Yemen or Iran, and only go against Israel in words only, whilst selling or buying drones to or from Israel
Disappointed with everyone, especially with Germany for being this anti Palestinian
Gordon_Shumway_4_POTUS 14 points 2 years ago
One of the things I say to my Jewish friends and family is, "explain to me how what Israel is doing - like cutting off food, water and medicine to an entire population of civilians it keeps in a ghetto is anything different that what the national socialist Germans did to the Warsaw Ghetto, because it looks like the exact same thing to me."
GG 51 points 2 years ago
Of all countries on this earth, Israel is without doubt the nastiest, most cruel, least human, most bigoted, worst possible country of them all. The people who have chosen to move to Israel as outsiders are IMO just at responsible for any death of innocent children. Are you an American "Jew"? Well good for you. now fucking stay the fuck where you belong instead of terrorizing random families thousands of miles away under the excuse that you own their house or whatever fucking messed up crap you can come up with. I have edited this comment to remove a section which I was made aware is Anti-Semitic due to conflating Judaism with Zionism - thanks for making me aware. I got carried away and regret the harsh tone of the original comment.
kittenzrulz123 3 points 2 years ago
Nearly every Jewish institution has been infected with the cancer that is zionism.
technocrit 22 points 2 years ago
I agree with much of what you're saying... But it's antisemitic to conflate judaism with zionism.
Zios can be jewish, christian, atheist, "muslim", etc. Conversely many jews are not zionist.
There's little reason to even talk about jewish people when the actual problem is the genocidal ideology of zionism.
GG 11 points 2 years ago
Thank you for this, it is always nice to be corrected and actually learn something. I do apologise for the original comment and how it came out more harsh than intended. It is good to know there are actually many Jewish people who do not identify with Israel's actions and don't consider themselves Zionists. It is too easy to get revved up and write angry things on the internet. Thankfully this is a good media and people are actually being helpful and providing some great feedback.
Interesting thing that there are more Zionist Christians than Jewish (is it called Jewish or Jews in this case?) Definitely worth reading up on this part.
DrFistington 9 points 2 years ago
The crazy thing is that you'd think of all the people in the world, the Jews in Israel would understand the importance of compassion and giving other groups of people respect and dignity. As it turns out, the fastest way to make a Nazi is to have someone live through their atrocities.
technocrit 16 points 2 years ago
This is historically inaccurate. Zionism predates the holocaust by decades. It has always been a fascist ideology and zionists often collaborated with the nazis. The idea of a "pure" racist state is the common goal.
Jews who understand all of this oppose zionism.
merdaverse 3 points 2 years ago
To be fair, one should acknowledge the conditions in Europe under which Zionism was created. In a growing wave of antisemitism at the end of the 19th century, Dühring wrote in a 1881 pamphlet:
He described the "Jewish question" as an expression of an irresolvable racial antagonism, and openly advocated for the "murder and extermination" of Jews as a solution to the Jewish question.
Many scholars believe that Dühring's invention of a modern-sounding antisemitism helped persuade Theodor Herzl that Zionism was the only answer.
There was a growing fear that there could be no cultural assimilation and that Jews would continue to be persecuted, as they, in fact, were. Zionism was a proposed solution to that atmosphere of hate. It's easy with the foresight of 150 years to label it as a flawed idea.
This is not an excuse for modern day Israel's actions, and obviously the conditions for Jews in Europe are better today (since we are just scapegoating Muslims nowadays instead), it's just an understanding of how the fuck we got to this point.
markko 3 points 2 years ago
Early Zionists even openly acknowledged that the only way for them to escape persecution was to persecute and expel the inhabitants of Palestine.
And it doesn't change the fact that Israel and Zionists still the Holocaust as an excuse for their actions.
barneypiccolo 4 points 2 years ago
This right here! I have been astounded at this over and over. If there was ever a group that should be sensitive to the idea of genocide it should be the Israelis, but instead they have simply adopted the beliefs and behavior of their worst oppressors.
And then when anyone dares to criticize them, they go right to playing the genocidal victim of the Nazis - who they are obviously emulating!
Frankly, I don't have a lot of sympathy for their enemies either. If they could manage to gather the same power as Israel, they would happily unleash it in return, and murder every single Israeli. BOTH sides are fully, unapologetically dedicated to the genocide of the other side. Neither is worthy of support.
It's incomprehensible.
shaserlark 0 points 2 years ago
You shouldn’t both sides a genocide just as a rule of thumb tho
barneypiccolo 0 points 2 years ago
Except when it's true.
pulsewidth 3 points 2 years ago
I lay the blame at the IDF and their far-right Likud government who has openly said they will protect any IDF soldiers accused of war crimes.
I don't wish to tar a whole country with the same brush.
Railcar8095 42 points 2 years ago
On a similar article, a lot of people on reddit were saying that they could be terrorist on disguise, therefore is on to kill them (attempt to) ask, and that's all good as per Geneva convention.
My reply was deleted, my account banned and my will to stay on that platforms eliminated.
MBech 18 points 2 years ago
A lot of fucked up things in all that, but them condoning killing civilians is apparently okay, but asking how Trump hasn't been killed yet for trying to turn USA into a fascist dictatorship gets you banned.
That's what got me here.
PalmTreeIsBestTree 14 points 2 years ago
r/worldnews is Israeli gov’t propaganda
Auntievenim 7 points 2 years ago
Don't worry, you would have also been banned if you had depicted israelis suffering the same abuse at the hands of Palestinians. They REALLY don't like to imagine that.
MonkeMischief 4 points 2 years ago
Sorry I've never heard of IOF before. Is that another faction now? I'm guessing it's not my first instinctual guess "Internet of Fascists" lol.
Auntievenim 16 points 2 years ago
Not OP but it stands for Israeli occupation force, because calling them the IDF is a joke
MonkeMischief 7 points 2 years ago
Ah, thank you for clarifying that! I had a guess it was somewhere in that neighborhood but I hadn't seen it in use before. Now I know.
ChickenLadyLovesLife 3 points 2 years ago
"Internet Of Fucked" would have been my guess.
MonkeMischief 1 point 2 years ago
Lol after "WTF" my brain also immediately jumps there when encountering unfamiliar acronyms with a huge letter F. XD
RymrgandsDaughter 24 points 2 years ago
Zionists bending over backwards rationalizing their war crimes as just anti-terrorist attacks while they are invading another country is the ultimate mental 4D chess.
Railcar8095 11 points 2 years ago
When not being like you it's there crime, everybody is a valid target
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jpreston2005 35 points 2 years ago
Awesome to have these two headlines right next to each other in my feed:
Video Shows Aid Workers Killed in Gaza Under Gunfire Barrage, With Ambulance Lights On
Senate Democrats overwhelmingly reject restricting US arms sales to Israel
the US Senate has resoundingly voted in support of continuing the genocide in Gaza by rejecting two resolutions aimed at blocking some $9 billion in weapons to the Israeli government.
Cory Booker, recently hailed in the corporate press for talking for 25 hours straight on the Senate floor—without blocking a vote on legislation or a Trump judicial nomination—voted against both resolutions.
OsrsNeedsF2P 7 points 2 years ago
The Democrats, and some Republicans too, might be anti-Trump but they still don't represent us
Knoxvomica 13 points 2 years ago
I seriously think at some point a dirty bomb is going to go off in Tel Aviv based on the actions the Israelis take today.
slugger 20 points 2 years ago
Watch Til Kingdom Come. full doc is on youtude.
In 2017, when Trump's America abandoned the 2 state solution and went in full throated support of Israel with recognisation of Jerusalem, it was the spark that lead to this whole situation. Now that Trump is back in power, his Christian fundamentalist backers are sitting back and awaiting their rapture. Fucking crazy shit.
Angry_Autist 4 points 2 years ago
And I think there will be a 50% chance that it will be a false flag operation to justify further atrocity
Angry_Autist 1 point 2 years ago
Sounds like the exact thing right there. Fucking disgusting risking your own citizens lives for clout and casus belli
IndustryStandard 12 points 2 years ago
NYT still unsure who the perpetrator is and leaves it out of the title
technocrit 10 points 2 years ago
Wow I'm so shocked that those genocidal wackos would murder even more people. Totally unheard of. \s \s \s
WorldsDumbestMan 8 points 2 years ago
They behead newborns. We don't have to justify anything. The entire world is under their thumb now, it is obvious. And they don't have benevolent plans.
MuskyMelon 3 points 2 years ago
“advancing suspiciously”
Any Palestinian moving is advancing suspiciously by IDF definition
thanks for using Leebra!
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