My MAGA friend just said due process is only for citizens. I stopped trying to debate with him, he’s too far gone. I’m depressed about it.

I live in a pretty maga area and I can say that maybe the support has dwindled a tiny bit around me? I dunno it's hard to tell. I can tell you for damn sure tho that there are still plenty of people incredibly happy with everything that's going on. Especially with the deportations. It seems a little less with the tariffs but even then a ton of them are very happy that America is finally standing up for itself. I'm pretty convinced at this point that there is literally nothing Trump could do that they would see as a bad thing.

That happened to a buddy in Florida before the 2020 election, people took down their signs all over. I noticed it in rural Washington as well. I guess they saw a black woman, got scared, and put them right back up.

My good friend's parents are adamant that Trump has done nothing wrong and apparently hope he continues on the current path.

My hardcore right wing neighbors have anti-elon stickers all over one of their Teslas, but are still the same. I think Fox has them fearful of "persecution". They highlight every act of vandalism or protest like they're some sort of oppressed minority so that makes them afraid to speak up, or they straight up know their viewpoints are shameful. Either way I think only the margins are changing as the truth never penetrates the core of the believers.

I wish that was happening near me. All the "MAGA" and "vote Trump" flags and billboards are still up around here.

I kept telling people that Frederick Douglas helped Lincoln's campaign at a time when Lincoln couldn't promise to end slavery. I got called every name in the book for suggesting that a less than perfect candidate was much better than an absolute fascist.

My conservative relatives on the wealthier side are upset, at least. These economic policies and Musk's foolishness have soured them enough to question their media consumption.

and are booing Republicans at town halls are a minority.

I checked the mtg one and yup people were cheering him getting removed.

We are NOT winning, we are NOT sitting here smug while the conservatives whither into the background, they are fucking in control of the world’s wealthiest, most powerful country and they are celebrating every day.

You just described my mom's YouTube feed. Just metric fucking tons of copium. The Midas Touch has like 20 videos a day, each of them with titles like Trump BLASTED by Immigration JUDGE! or Trump suffers MAJOR LOSS and FREAKS OUT or Trump has PANICKED MELTDOWN as he meets HIS FATE in COURT!!1!

None of this is true. It's all happy fantasy. The sky is literally falling, but these fuckwits are saying it's ok, go have a picnic, everything is working out, and all you have to do is go look outside and see THEY'RE COMPLETELY FULL OF SHIT.

One side is setting everything on fire, while the "other" side is busting out marshmallows and graham crackers.

The thing is that it took a powerful coalition of countries to actively wage war against him for years for that to happen. I am not seeing anything similar happening here.

This is all on Americans themselves.

But please without dragging the whole world into war with millions killed

True. People tend to forget the settler colonialist aspect of the nazi ideology

Well the important thing is that you found a way to blame her instead of the actual people doing the actual things.

Boy am I glad that some voters left their brains at home because their little feelings got hurt by Kamala. Makes me feel real good about that outcome knowing that they showed Kamala who's boss! /s 🤮

The same broad coalition you didn't join by not voting for kamala? How many millions of people signed up for your mutual aid fund?

You don't represent the masses, you just think you do.

Agreed 100% I work around people that are Ride Or Die Trump supporters, and they are fully on board with crashing everything so as long as they get to own the Libs.

I don't think the US is the oldest democracy as San Marino has been around for a long ass time.

When exactly you consider San Marino an Independent entity could be debated but def older than the US.

To add to what you're saying, the Weimar republic was not a really a democracy when Hitler got in power; it was already ruled by decree, with a reactionary minority (Hindenburg, Papen, Schleicher and al) aiming to ignore parliament and preserve the nobility.

In early 1933 a German observer might have hoped the authoritarian trend was just a temporary thing and the presidential clique would have to bend to the parliament eventually, since they were continually losing support.

nothing is more damaging to a society than the willfully ignorant.

Even if they do know, they almost certainly are buying into the 'he's a criminal and deserves to be deported' bit.

they are constantly distracted with outrage, so they dont know the actual things are going on.

Tbf, we've spent the last 8+ years making sure echo chambers become the name of the game and completely breaking down discourse from "across the aisle" so to speak to the degree where we mostly don't interact with them, and they mostly don't interact with us. We've set it up like this seemingly intentionally, if all they do is watch fox and truth social and neither of those places are talking about it (tbf I'm kinda with you on this, idk if they are talking about it because I'm not there either, so), how can we expect them to have heard about it?

Like sure we're all aware of it here, where they aren't, but have they heard of it where they are? And how do we fix it, go there ourselves and tell them? Might be too late, tbh.

I have ran into them and most didn't even know the guy they sent to El Salvador was fully legal

I am sorry for the rest, but there's nothing I can do for them except saying migration also works the other way.

I think the takeaway for me is that there is a decent % of humanity in every nation that see the world differently. We can only see what our mind is capable of.

Germans in 1941: 🙈 well "prisons aren't supposed to be fun", these grainy "photos don't really show anything." "There are only 241 released deaths in the camps, I'm sure everything is completely fine there"

Why would they hide it? Who's going to do anything about it?

https://www.youtube.com/feed/library

The report says that 153 people died in custody after being arrested under Bukele’s year-long crusade against gangs, including 47 this year, according to the new investigation.

Those are just the "documented" deaths.

We know that they shave their heads, number them, and make them not show their faces and treat them very similarly to another such camp

They only feed the inmates Rice, beans, a couple of veggies, etc.. And yet there is a meat pile next to a small building with red stains all around it and red stained drag marks. even though they don't use meat.

But if he sends a citizen we will totally do something about it then, right?

I actually misread the meme

Even criminals and illegal aliens are granted protection under the constitution too. Citizen or not, in the eyes of the law, they have the same (ignored) rights.

Nevertheless, he was not granted due process and this administration is violating court orders.

This, I don't care if he's a shit bag. I know a lot of shit bags are in our country right now, some high up in government who admitted to being here illegally, does that mean we just send them to El Salvador?

Nevertheless, I misread the meme which never said he was a US citizen, so I was talking out of my ass.

Yeh, use the wording: Legal Resident

Even if I agreed with the idea of non-reform prisons, there have been zero trials held to prove they were actually criminals. We aren't sending convicted rapists to the desert, we're sending people to a foreign prison, based on nothing but allegations.

The way this works is they make you feel so afraid of criminals that you want someone cruel in power to protect you from them.

Problem is they need to keep you afraid and keep on being cruel to maintain power. So they will constantly be adding groups of people to the list. The eventual outcome is you may be added to the list and sent to a gulag. But maybe if you're lucky you won't and you merely live in fear that your government will execute it's cruelty on you if you ever speak out.

Living in a system dominated by fear and cruelty isn't how I want to live. Why do you want to live that way?

I vote we send you first.

You don't seem to have up to date knowledge, period.

The problem with the prison system here in the U.S. is that in a majority of states the counties' budget relies on income from maxed out prisons. It's a for-profit system, but there are very few private prisons compared to public prisons. The private prisons are even MORE incentivized to max out their population.

I don't like the idea of non-reform prisons because they don't even give someone a chance to try to recognize what they did was wrong and be able to change themselves in a meaningful way. Not to say that it happens in "reform" prisons here, but it's at least a chance.

The U.S. wouldn't have such a huge prison population if it wasn't essentially for-profit and if the "War on Drugs" didn't happen, among other things.

But the issue right now isn't even what you're talking about. The U.S. is grabbing "illegal immigrants" off the street regardless of immigration status now and sending them to a prison in El Salvador. They are trying to declare all of these people "dead" in the Social Security "Death Master File" which essentially locks these people out of any bank accounts, credit, jobs, etc so they self-deport before being disappeared.

Once they have all "illegal" immigrants out of the country, then they will focus on what Elon Musk calls "parasites": people on disability or any kind of government assistance because these people (including myself) are seen as a drain on the federal government and since Trump can't stop the funding to these agencies he's going through the back door and looking for "fraud" but recognize that "mistakes will be made" thus causing all kinds of problems for legal U.S. citizens.

Then when he's done with them, he'll move on to people who don't identify with the gender they were born as. Technically he's already making their lives hell by doing things like requiring all government documents to show the gender a person was born as, not what they identify as, regardless if any transitions were made or not. For those who have already transitioned they are kinda of in limbo now because their documentation states something that they essentially aren't.

Scrotum

Because they only protect the millionaires

https://youtu.be/HWL06waOAGw

"7 Days In May" Thriller about a military coup against the President.

Saw it when I was a kid; never thought I'd be rooting for the generals.

Thx. Thought that was the case but didn't know if I missed news on someone else being kidnapped

Amen brother

That whiskey was just to help wash down the bottle of Ambien.

Well said.